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Quote (t8 @ Feb. 14 2013,11:49) Not only doesn't it say “ALL” animal types, but it doesn't rule out that God created many animals after the flood. There is just not enough information IMO to be absolutely sure about the details.
The series, 'Ancient Aliens' even suggested that the boat was like a seed vault and contained DNA code of animals. I guess with a story with so few details, you can imagine it in all sorts of ways.
T8,Be careful to test what you hear.
Pairs of animals does not equate to a seed vault.
God could well have altered creatures as he is working to this day but creation ended after the 6th Night and Day when God rested on the 7th.
Some things we can determine with the scant evidence we have.
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The eastern coyote or coywolf? A documentary examines the wily animal that can be found in Cape Breton and other parts of the country.
Published on February 10, 2013By Chris Hayes – Cape Breton Post
SYDNEY — A documentary called “Meet the Coywolf” says an animal that is part coyote and part wolf can now be found from urban areas like Toronto to the Cape Breton highlands.
Topics : CBC , Department of Natural Resources , Cape Breton Post , Cape Breton , Toronto , Cape Breton Highlands National Park
Filmed partly in Cape Breton Highlands National Park, the documentary includes a reference to the fatal attack on the Skyline Trail in 2009 on a young Toronto woman, Taylor Mitchell, which raised speculation about the existence of the coywolf.
Director and producer Susan Fleming said the animal known as the eastern coyote, which is larger than the western variety, is in fact synonymous with a coywolf.
Eastern coyotes , the variety found in Cape Breton, are genetically distinct, she said.
“They are not a western coyote or an eastern wolf, they are a new creature, a hybrid that is a product of coyotes and wolves interbreeding. This hybrid creature goes by the name eastern coyote but also by the name coywolf.
“Coywolf is a newer term and, in some ways, may be more accurate in that it describes what the animal is, this hybrid and the product of a coyote and a wolf, rather than where it comes from, which is the east.”
Larger than a coyote, the coywolf has longer legs, bigger paws, larger jaws and a more wolf-life tail, the documentary says.
Geneticist Bradley White says in the documentary the first evidence of the new species is found in Algonquin Park in northern Ontario.
The geneticist pinpoints the birth of the coywolf to 1919, saying eastern wolves, driven to seek refuge from persecution by people, began to look upon coyotes, which had been their natural enemies, as possible mates.
John Benson, who is identified in the documentary as a PhD candidate in biology, says over a third of the animals in the Ontario park are hybrids between coyotes and wolves.
Fleming says the hybrids spread from there.
Coywolves can also be found in big cities like Toronto, the film says.
“Most likely animals that are in, say Nova Scotia and Cape Breton now, are hybrids of hybrids, but they still have some wolf and coyote in them,” she said. “So they are still eastern coyotes or, if you want to use the term, coywolves. Some people call them one, some people call them another. It doesn’t matter. They are the same thing. They are a hybrid.”
The fatal attack on Taylor Mitchell led to speculation in Cape Breton about the existence of coywolves.
Don Anderson, a biologist with the Department of Natural Resources, sounded skeptical, telling the Cape Breton Post he hasn't seen anything to indicate that the species in Cape Breton is a so-called coywolf.
“I can't say that there aren’t some out there that are hybrids with dogs, or wolves for that matter, but I don't think the whole population is based on that,” he said at that time.
Simon Gadbois, a researcher at Dalhousie University’s canid research laboratory, told The Post in 2009 that coyotes found in Cape Breton would likely be from a population that emigrated east and are, therefore, partial hybrids, meaning that a part of their genome is from wolf stock.
“When we say coywolf, people think of a 50-50 mix,” he told the Post. “It is reasonable to assume that our eastern coyotes are indeed more coyotes than wolves. But because of the genetic similarities between wolves, coyotes and dogs, it is not easy to determine through molecular genetic means, or through the traditional morphology and anatomy markers.”
Gadbois is also featured in the documentary studying the animals in Cape Breton’s “vast and rugged landscape.”
“Meet the Coywolf” will air on CBC’s “The Nature of Things” on Thursday and on the PBS show “Nature” later this year.
Fleming is an independent filmmaker whose documentaries include “Animal Odd Couples,” looking at whether animals can form friendships, “Raccoon Nation,” which looks at how city life is changing raccoons, and “A Murder of Crows,” which studies one of nature’s more intelligent birds.
Her films have aired on the CBC and PBS.
[email protected]Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 14 2013,22:09) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 14 2013,11:49) Not only doesn't it say “ALL” animal types, but it doesn't rule out that God created many animals after the flood. There is just not enough information IMO to be absolutely sure about the details.
The series, 'Ancient Aliens' even suggested that the boat was like a seed vault and contained DNA code of animals. I guess with a story with so few details, you can imagine it in all sorts of ways.
T8,Be careful to test what you hear.
Pairs of animals does not equate to a seed vault.
God could well have altered creatures as he is working to this day but creation ended after the 6th Night and Day when God rested on the 7th.
Some things we can determine with the scant evidence we have.
Absolutely we need to be careful.I have noticed however that some stories are quite terse in scripture and then when you read them elsewhere, they can be quite different. e.g., The sons of God who came down as quoted in scripture, is much more detailed in the Book of Enoch and likely hard to guess if you only read the one or tw0 verses in the Bible.
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 17 2013,13:51) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 14 2013,22:09) Quote (t8 @ Feb. 14 2013,11:49) Not only doesn't it say “ALL” animal types, but it doesn't rule out that God created many animals after the flood. There is just not enough information IMO to be absolutely sure about the details.
The series, 'Ancient Aliens' even suggested that the boat was like a seed vault and contained DNA code of animals. I guess with a story with so few details, you can imagine it in all sorts of ways.
T8,Be careful to test what you hear.
Pairs of animals does not equate to a seed vault.
God could well have altered creatures as he is working to this day but creation ended after the 6th Night and Day when God rested on the 7th.
Some things we can determine with the scant evidence we have.
Absolutely we need to be careful.I have noticed however that some stories are quite terse in scripture and then when you read them elsewhere, they can be quite different. e.g., The sons of God who came down as quoted in scripture, is much more detailed in the Book of Enoch and likely hard to guess if you only read the one or tw0 verses in the Bible.
T8,I do not trust the various books of Enoch as they sound like a corrupted versions of the actual one. Jubilees appears to be related to all three of them. The texts appear to be mixed with the Greek war of the Giants story.
300 cubits high far exceeds the height of any giant mentioned in scripture. On the other hand the Greeks had giants piling mountain ranges on one another.
There are still parts that are the Word among the dross that was added later by unscrupulous men.
kerwin, the Book was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. A number of them, and they confirmed the Book we had as the Book of Enoch was authentic. Of course it is possible that corruption happened before the Dead Sea Scrolls, but that possibility could be with any of the other books and biblical ones too.
The Book of Enoch mentions that these sons of God sinned against the animals. In other words they did what we are about to do. Play around with genetic engineering. What would happen for example if you crossed a Giraffe with a lizard. Perhaps a dinosaur. Who knows, but the point is that the Bible says that God destroyed that world and saved Noah and Co because he was righteous and without blemish.
Interesting word “blemish”. When God said take a lamb without blemish he was talking genetically.
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 19 2013,14:44) kerwin, the Book was found in the Dead Sea Scrolls. A number of them, and they confirmed the Book we had as the Book of Enoch was authentic. Of course it is possible that corruption happened before the Dead Sea Scrolls, but that possibility could be with any of the other books and biblical ones too. The Book of Enoch mentions that these sons of God sinned against the animals. In other words they did what we are about to do. Play around with genetic engineering. What would happen for example if you crossed a Giraffe with a lizard. Perhaps a dinosaur. Who knows, but the point is that the Bible says that God destroyed that world and saved Noah and Co because he was righteous and without blemish.
Interesting word “blemish”. When God said take a lamb without blemish he was talking genetically.
T8,There is also a book of Giants in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
There was a government backed Hellenization campaign somewhere between the 3rd and 2nd Century BC. It existed both before and after that time though it was not government backed.
The 1st Book of Enoch is thought to be a collage of works that were composed from the beginning of the 3rd Century BC to the 1st Century BC.
There were giants after the flood and the “blemish” is inferred by the context. The word “without” is used for one who is perfect in righteousness as well as for one who lacks a physical disability, genetic or otherwise.
2 Samuel 22:26, Genesis 17:1 , Deuteronomy 18:13 , and more.
Leviticus 23:15 is translated complete and is a third context.
We first learn about Enoch in Genesis 5 but it leaves us with questions.
Hebrews 11 has the answers and Jude quotes Enoch! How did Jude come to know the words of Enoch?
Certainly not oral tradition. The most likely answer is The Book of Enoch.This book is not only quoted by Jude either, but also James the natural brother of Jesus.
The quote in (Jude 14-15) & (1 Enoch 1:9) is as follows:
“In the seventh (generation) from Adam Enoch also prophesied these things, saying: 'Behold, the Lord came with his holy myriads, to execute judgment on all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners spoke against him'.”
If you can explain how these biblical writers quote Enoch without using The Book of Enoch, I am all ears.
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 20 2013,10:30) There is also a book of Giants in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
I would love to read that. I will google it.The Bible talks quite a bit about giants/nephilim. A subject that is not really taught in mainstream Christianity.
Quote (t8 @ Mar. 19 2013,13:43) We first learn about Enoch in Genesis 5 but it leaves us with questions. Hebrews 11 has the answers and Jude quotes Enoch! How did Jude come to know the words of Enoch?
Certainly not oral tradition. The most likely answer is The Book of Enoch.This book is not only quoted by Jude either, but also James the natural brother of Jesus.
The quote in (Jude 14-15) & (1 Enoch 1:9) is as follows:
“In the seventh (generation) from Adam Enoch also prophesied these things, saying: 'Behold, the Lord came with his holy myriads, to execute judgment on all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in such an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners spoke against him'.”
If you can explain how these biblical writers quote Enoch without using The Book of Enoch, I am all ears.
T8,It is a paraphrase of 1 Enoch 1:9.
The version of 1 Enoch we now have is a corrupted version.
The giants from it could have had dinosaurs as there pet dogs as the largest dinosaur was a third of their size.
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