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I thought they did an excellent job on most of it, except where they diverted from scripture and tried to have some animals and more than the 8 people survive, but scripture tells us that only those on the ark survived.
1 Peter 3:20[The souls of those] who long before in the days of Noah had been disobedient, when God’s patience waited during the building of the ark in which a few [people], actually eight in number, were saved through water.
Genesis 7:9 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the mountains to a depth of more than fifteen cubits. 21 Every living thing that moved on land perished—birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing on the face of the earth was wiped out; people and animals and the creatures that move along the ground and the birds were wiped from the earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.
Wm
Good point WM.
It was an interesting point in the video that only the animals that served for their survival or other uses were on the ark such as livestock.
I hold the view that God repopulated the Earth with life after the flood and the animals such as dinosaurs were fossilized. I can't see Noah taking every single species with him including Moas & Kiwis from New Zealand, all the species of Lemurs from Madagascar, The Tasmanian Devil, as well as microscopic life forms.
I noticed that although translations say “All animals” I could not see that in the Hebrew. Further. Noah was also instructed to take ALL food with him for himself, family, and the animals. I can't imagine that he literally tool ALL food with him.
It appears to me on the outset that the word “ALL” was added in by translators. Can anyone else check if that is the case.
T8,
Don't put too much faith in biologist that call different breeds of the same animal separate species. God only had to save one breeding unit and then breed the breed the other breeds off that one.
To be frank, I have no idea how many essential kinds there are.
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 09 2013,12:43) T8, Don't put too much faith in biologist that call different breeds of the same animal separate species. God only had to save one breeding unit and then breed the breed the other breeds off that one.
To be frank, I have no idea how many essential kinds there are.
Like humans. Now we have many varieties.Kerwin,
Good point, it is isolation that creates the variations within a “kind” that scientists call “species” (est at 1 1/2 million). John Woodmorappe, the author of Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study, has est. that the basic kinds could have been as few as 2,000. In other words there was only 2 dogs on the ark not the 300 “species” we have today (that may have also included wolf, fox, etc.).My opinion – Wm
Quote (t8 @ Feb. 10 2013,16:05) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 09 2013,12:43) T8, Don't put too much faith in biologist that call different breeds of the same animal separate species. God only had to save one breeding unit and then breed the breed the other breeds off that one.
To be frank, I have no idea how many essential kinds there are.
Like humans. Now we have many varieties.
T8,Yes.
There are many species of butterflies but they are essentially butterflies. Scientist define species as the preferred type of sexual partner. Lightning bugs are much the same.
I know that all Equines can crossbreed with offspring that are unlikely to be fertile. Never the less they may be one kind.
Camels crossbreed with llamas and certain wildcats crossbreed with one another.
These are creatures I have looked into.
Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 10 2013,18:29) Kerwin,
Good point, it is isolation that creates the variations within a “kind” that scientists call “species” (est at 1 1/2 million). John Woodmorappe, the author of Noah's Ark: A Feasibility Study, has est. that the basic kinds could have been as few as 2,000. In other words there was only 2 dogs on the ark not the 300 “species” we have today (that may have also included wolf, fox, etc.).My opinion – Wm
WM,I don't know about foxes but wolves are essentially dogs with a different culture. That culture is pretty much the only reason I have heard why they all called a different species. There is even a debate among scientists on this matter.
Foxes are different from wolves.
But all dogs today are modern versions of the wolf. They are all one “kind.” Some wolves were more tame and these ones approached human areas and ate garbage. The tamer ones made friends. Some of the wolves turned into what we might call wild dogs. And these wild dogs were domesticated and bread in whatever way was wanted. Even today, new breads are being created. But they all came from the wolf.
It's not hard to domesticate animals. Some scientists did an experiment with foxes and kept breaking e tamest ones with the tamest ones. After only a few short years, they created very tame dog like foxes.
They were very surprised by how quickly they could do this. So, over a few thousand years, for a wolf to become hundreds of different dogs, isn't that hard to believe.Of course, the less tame wolves didn't approach humans and stayed wild.
David,
So far I am of the opinion foxes are to dogs as chimpanzees are to human. My knowledge in that area is limited.
Can´id`ae
n.1.a natural family of doglike mammals including the domestic dogs, wolves, jackals, foxes, hyenas, and coyotes.Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 13 2013,09:26) Can´id`ae
n.1.a natural family of doglike mammals including the domestic dogs, wolves, jackals, foxes, hyenas, and coyotes.
Seeking Truth.Yes, but both monkeys and humans are primates.
There are no verified cases of foxes breeding with dogs.
Jackals, Coyotes, Dingos, Wolves, and Dogs are known to interbreed.
Does that mean that Noah could have taken 8 apes with him and then all the apes including humans would have arisen eventually?
kerwin,
Man's understanding of “kinds”, assumes man is just another animal. I believe man is a unique creation, man only groups us with primates because of the similarity in basic design and their “need” for evolution.As to foxes not breeding with dogs I believe the variations within a kind can be such that they lose their ability to breed with extreme variations.
Wm
Quote (seekingtruth @ Feb. 13 2013,14:26) Can´id`ae
n.1.a natural family of doglike mammals including the domestic dogs, wolves, jackals, foxes, hyenas, and coyotes.
They might fit into some group, but dogs of today are not connected to foxes. They are from wolves.So, on the ark, there would be wolf, fox, etc.
But, no need for a terrier, a grey hound, a Dalmatian, a cocker spaniel, a Doberman, or the hundreds of other dogs that exist today. They are all from the wolf.
Dogs aren't from foxes.
David,
Dogs, Wolves, Foxes, I only quoted the family grouping from a dictionary, it does not change my point. People try to ridicule the ark as unable to hold 1-2 million “species” (and I would agree) but the genetically rich “kinds” of thousands of years ago could fit into the ark and still give us the variety we see today.Wm
Not only doesn't it say “ALL” animal types, but it doesn't rule out that God created many animals after the flood.
There is just not enough information IMO to be absolutely sure about the details.
The series, 'Ancient Aliens' even suggested that the boat was like a seed vault and contained DNA code of animals. I guess with a story with so few details, you can imagine it in all sorts of ways.
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