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In the believers section you challenge ed about the “W” sound in YHWH caying he needs to provide hebrew language witnesses but the point you are making is silly because if the Name is unique and hallowed it could very well be the only Sound in Hebrew with a “W” sound
ED
You always want to drag God down into common themes even so disrespectfully as assigning God a number, how BLASPHEMOUS
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 21 2012,08:29) Hi BD, Did you read the whole entire thread? (Link)
B'shem
YHVH
EDYou are completely wrong on this yet you continue to act as if you know even more than the Jews themselves, it's really crazy
How did you manage to delete the letter “waw” from your theory?
Proof your theory is wrong:
Waw (wāw, sometimes also spelled vau, or vav) is the sixth letter of the Northwest Semitic family of scripts, including Phoenician, Aramaic, Hebrew, Syriac, and Arabic (“sixth” in abjadi order; it is 27th in modern Arabic order).
In most Semitic languages it represents the sound [w], and in some (such as Hebrew and Arabic) also the long vowel , depending on context.
In Modern Hebrew, the consonantal pronunciation is [v] or [β], a pattern shared by certain non-Semitic languages using the Arabic alphabet such as Persian and Urdu.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waw_(letter)
You are using the modern interpretation of the letter i.e. the wrong one.
YHWH would still be YHWH regardless because your confusion led you to replace modern pronunciation with deleting the actual letter. Do you understand what I am saying?
the letters are without question YHWH The “Waw” can be pronounced like a “V” but not replaced by a “V”
Hi BD,
I(Ed) will make (יהוה) thy name (YHVH YÄ-hä-vā)
to be remembered in all generations: therefore shall
the people praise thee for ever and ever. (Psalms 45:17)Now you're going attempt to corrupt God's name?
Like you've been attempting to corrupt “The Bible”?
Were is this attempt to proselytize islam getting you?Matt 7:15-20 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits.Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree
bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good
tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.B'shem, YHVH (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)Hi BD,
No words with a “W” sound = 0% credibility!
Are you merely going to push what YOU believe, as if it “is” the truth?
Perhaps you can post a few words with a “W” sound then?
…that is the challenge you know, …well can you?Where's your proof; all I ever see from you is merely your beliefs?
You push a false god(al-lah), and atheists push no God;
what is the difference between you and them?B'shem, YHVH (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 21 2012,19:26) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 21 2012,08:29) Hi BD, Did you read the whole entire thread? (Link)
B'shem, YHVH (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)Proof your theory is wrong:
1Thess.5:21-22 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil.
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 22 2012,04:08) Hi BD, No words with a “W” sound = 0% credibility!
Are you merely going to push what YOU believe, as if it “is” the truth?
Perhaps you can post a few words with a “W” sound then?
…that is the challenge you know, …well can you?Where's your proof; all I ever see from you is merely your beliefs?
You push a false god(al-lah), and atheists push no God;
what is the difference between you and them?B'shem, YHVH (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
EDYour challenge is silly because the “W” sound has nothing to do with the letter itself it's like saying ED is “W”rong, see no W sound but the spelling remains.
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 22 2012,04:14) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 21 2012,19:26) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 21 2012,08:29) Hi BD, Did you read the whole entire thread? (Link)
B'shem, YHVH (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)Proof your theory is wrong:
1Thess.5:21-22 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. Abstain from all appearance of evil.
Edyou are not using ancient Hebrew in your chart you have the modern “Vav” and not the original “WAW”
You are simply wrong about this and you should admit it, it's amazing how you assume you are smarter than the Jews themselves who were given the Name.
Ed my point is you are using Modern Hebrew and not Ancient Hebrew so look, learn and understand.
History & Reconstruction
The original pictograph used in the Early Semitic script is a , a picture of a tent peg. The tent pegs were made of wood and may have been Y-shaped to prevent the rope from slipping off.
The Modern Hebrew name for this letter is “vav”, a word meaning “peg” or “hook”. This letter is used in Modern Hebrew as a consonant with a “v” sound and as a vowel. If the Modern Hebrew letter appears as , it is the vowel sound “ow” and if it appears as , it is the vowel sound “uw”. When used as a vowel the ancient pronunciation was also an “ow” or “uw”. In each of the consonant/vowel letters of the Ancient Hebrew language the pronunciation of the consonant is closely related to the pronunciation of the vowel such as the letter “hey” (See above) is “h” and “eh” and the pronunciation of the letter “yud” (See below) is “y” and “iy”. For this reason, it is probable that the original pronunciation of the letter was with a “w”. In Modern Arabic language, this letter is also pronounced with a “w”. Therefore, the original name of this letter would have been “waw” instead of “vav”.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 22 2012,08:51) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 22 2012,04:08) Hi BD, No words with a “W” sound = 0% credibility!
Are you merely going to push what YOU believe, as if it “is” the truth?
Perhaps you can post a few words with a “W” sound then?
…that is the challenge you know, …well can you?Where's your proof; all I ever see from you is merely your beliefs?
You push a false god(al-lah), and atheists push no God;
what is the difference between you and them?B'shem, YHVH (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
EDYour challenge is silly because the “W” sound has nothing to do with the letter itself it's like saying ED is “W”rong, see no W sound but the spelling remains.
Shalom BD,The “vav” is a “V”, not a “W”; so that spelling is FAKE!
Just like God's name (יהוה) is not “The LORD”! (Am.9:8)B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34).
Yahweh vs YHVH
Yahweh? (Link to a Hebrew site)
“It was later speculated that perhaps the Masoretes reversed the vowels for Adonai
when applied to the letters יהוה in the running text, so some attempted to “correct”
the pronunciation by pronouncing the name “Yahoveh” or “Yahveh”, This. too, is
incorrect (though the construct “Yah” probably is part of the original pronunciation
(e.g.,see Psalm 68:4)). Note that Yahweh is most likely also an incorrect translation, since there is no “w” sound in Hebrew.”YÄ-hä-vā! (Link to another Hebrew site)
“In hebrew, the name that we are using for our creator is changing according to the context .
The most common name is : יהוה (YAHAVA) and i guess that's the name you mentioned.
we also use ” ADONAY” for the creator , and both of these names are considered holy and
sacred and one cannot use these names in vain. Other less formal and holy names are :
“HASHEM” (“the name”), “elohim” (God), “el-shaday” (from the bible) and some more.
The name in hebrew for Jesus Christ is : “yeshu” or “yeshuah” (ישוע) but not YAHUSHUA
as you mentioned, because this name (YAHUSHUA) in hebrew means “Joshua” (book of the Bible).
Hope you'll find this answer satisfactory, …Roy”B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)Hi BD,
Comparing the name “YHWH” to “YHVH”
is like comparing “Yəsh-yü-ă” to “YÄ-shü-ă”The Hebrew word [ישוע] Yəsh-yü-ă merely means ‘He will save’.
Distancing [יה]’s salvation from the man Jesus is a rejection of
YÄ-shü-ă as Messiah. This subtle distinction of [ישוע] Yəsh-yü-ă
purposely substituted for [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă usually goes unnoticed
when heard by a non Hebrew-speaking person; nevertheless, this Yəsh-yü-ă
name alteration wholly implies a specific denial of Jesus as their Lord and Savior.
But you probably didn't know this either, like you admit that you don't know God's name; right?Jesus’ authentic name [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă has a direct connection to GOD’s name [יה] in that YÄ
is the first part of Jesus’ Hebrew name. GOD’s name is not vocalized in the English translation
of the name Jesus and therefore misses the precise exactness and direct authentic connection
to God’s Hebrew name [יה] YÄ. Jesus’ Name in Hebrew means: (“YÄ is salvation” [יה]+[ישע]=[יהשוע])
the salvation of “GOD the Father”. Therefore “Jesus” name [יהשוע] authentically establishes YHVH ([יהוה] “YÄ-hä-vā”) or JEHOVAH as the Highest Name.B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 22 2012,09:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 22 2012,08:51) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 22 2012,04:08) Hi BD, No words with a “W” sound = 0% credibility!
Are you merely going to push what YOU believe, as if it “is” the truth?
Perhaps you can post a few words with a “W” sound then?
…that is the challenge you know, …well can you?Where's your proof; all I ever see from you is merely your beliefs?
You push a false god(al-lah), and atheists push no God;
what is the difference between you and them?B'shem, YHVH (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
EDYour challenge is silly because the “W” sound has nothing to do with the letter itself it's like saying ED is “W”rong, see no W sound but the spelling remains.
Shalom BD,The “vav” is a “V”, not a “W”; so that spelling is FAKE!
Just like God's name (יהוה) is not “The LORD”! (Am.9:8)B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
EDWhy do you keep using the MODERN “VAV” instead of the original “WAW”.
“WAW” is the ORIGINAL letter therefore it is the one God gave us, do you really prefer what man has given over what God has given?
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 22 2012,09:29) . Yahweh vs YHVH
Yahweh? (Link to a Hebrew site)
“It was later speculated that perhaps the Masoretes reversed the vowels for Adonai
when applied to the letters יהוה in the running text, so some attempted to “correct”
the pronunciation by pronouncing the name “Yahoveh” or “Yahveh”, This. too, is
incorrect (though the construct “Yah” probably is part of the original pronunciation
(e.g.,see Psalm 68:4)). Note that Yahweh is most likely also an incorrect translation, since there is no “w” sound in Hebrew.”YÄ-hä-vā! (Link to another Hebrew site)
“In hebrew, the name that we are using for our creator is changing according to the context .
The most common name is : יהוה (YAHAVA) and i guess that's the name you mentioned.
we also use ” ADONAY” for the creator , and both of these names are considered holy and
sacred and one cannot use these names in vain. Other less formal and holy names are :
“HASHEM” (“the name”), “elohim” (God), “el-shaday” (from the bible) and some more.
The name in hebrew for Jesus Christ is : “yeshu” or “yeshuah” (ישוע) but not YAHUSHUA
as you mentioned, because this name (YAHUSHUA) in hebrew means “Joshua” (book of the Bible).
Hope you'll find this answer satisfactory, …Roy”B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
First of all ED those are not Hebrew sites second of all you cannot say there is no “W” sound in Hebrew you can only claim there is no “W” sound in Modern Hebrew.Using consonants as semi-vowels (v/w)
In ancient Hebrew, the letter ו, known to modern Hebrew speakers as vav, was a semivowel /w/ (as in English, not as in German) rather than a /v/.[32] The letter is referred to as waw in the academic world. Because the ancient pronunciation differs from the modern pronunciation, it is common today to represent יהוה as YHWH rather than YHVH.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton
I thought you were for the “Ancient of Days”.
Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 22 2012,09:31) Hi BD, Comparing the name “YHWH” to “YHVH”
is like comparing “Yəsh-yü-ă” to “YÄ-shü-ă”The Hebrew word [ישוע] Yəsh-yü-ă merely means ‘He will save’.
Distancing [יה]’s salvation from the man Jesus is a rejection of
YÄ-shü-ă as Messiah. This subtle distinction of [ישוע] Yəsh-yü-ă
purposely substituted for [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă usually goes unnoticed
when heard by a non Hebrew-speaking person; nevertheless, this Yəsh-yü-ă
name alteration wholly implies a specific denial of Jesus as their Lord and Savior.
But you probably didn't know this either, like you admit that you don't know God's name; right?Jesus’ authentic name [יהשוע] YÄ-shü-ă has a direct connection to GOD’s name [יה] in that YÄ
is the first part of Jesus’ Hebrew name. GOD’s name is not vocalized in the English translation
of the name Jesus and therefore misses the precise exactness and direct authentic connection
to God’s Hebrew name [יה] YÄ. Jesus’ Name in Hebrew means: (“YÄ is salvation” [יה]+[ישע]=[יהשוע])
the salvation of “GOD the Father”. Therefore “Jesus” name [יהשוע] authentically establishes YHVH ([יהוה] “YÄ-hä-vā”) or JEHOVAH as the Highest Name.B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
JehovahLater, Christian Europeans who did not know about the Q're perpetuum custom took these spellings at face value, producing the form “Jehovah” and spelling variants of it. The Catholic Encyclopedia [1913, Vol. VIII, p. 329] states: “Jehovah (Yahweh), the proper name of God in the Old Testament.” Had they known about the Q're perpetuum, the term “Jehovah” may have never come into being.[34] For more information, see the page Jehovah. Contemporary scholars recognise Jehovah to be “grammatically impossible” (Jewish Encyclopedia, Vol VII, p. 8).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton
Jehovah ( /dʒɨˈhoʊvə/) is an anglicized representation of Hebrew יְהֹוָה, a vocalization of the Tetragrammaton יהוה (YHWH), the proper name of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible.[1]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jehovah
I'm not saying Yahweh is the right pronunciation eith my point is you really don't know what the correct pronunciation is, you didn't even realize the difference between modern language and ancient language therefore you should discontinue creating your own “religion” and submit to God
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 22 2012,10:06) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 22 2012,09:29) . Yahweh vs YHVH
Yahweh? (Link to a Hebrew site)
“It was later speculated that perhaps the Masoretes reversed the vowels for Adonai
when applied to the letters יהוה in the running text, so some attempted to “correct”
the pronunciation by pronouncing the name “Yahoveh” or “Yahveh”, This. too, is
incorrect (though the construct “Yah” probably is part of the original pronunciation
(e.g.,see Psalm 68:4)). Note that Yahweh is most likely also an incorrect translation, since there is no “w” sound in Hebrew.”YÄ-hä-vā! (Link to another Hebrew site)
“In hebrew, the name that we are using for our creator is changing according to the context .
The most common name is : יהוה (YAHAVA) and i guess that's the name you mentioned.
we also use ” ADONAY” for the creator , and both of these names are considered holy and
sacred and one cannot use these names in vain. Other less formal and holy names are :
“HASHEM” (“the name”), “elohim” (God), “el-shaday” (from the bible) and some more.
The name in hebrew for Jesus Christ is : “yeshu” or “yeshuah” (ישוע) but not YAHUSHUA
as you mentioned, because this name (YAHUSHUA) in hebrew means “Joshua” (book of the Bible).
Hope you'll find this answer satisfactory, …Roy”B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
First of all ED those are not Hebrew sites second of all you cannot say there is no “W” sound in Hebrew you can only claim there is no “W” sound in Modern Hebrew.Using consonants as semi-vowels (v/w)
In ancient Hebrew, the letter ו, known to modern Hebrew speakers as vav, was a semivowel /w/ (as in English, not as in German) rather than a /v/.[32] The letter is referred to as waw in the academic world. Because the ancient pronunciation differs from the modern pronunciation, it is common today to represent יהוה as YHWH rather than YHVH.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetragrammaton
I thought you were for the “Ancient of Days”.
Hi BD,Well, lets see some 'ancient' Hebrew words with the “W” sound then? …produce the goods?
B'shem, YHVH (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 22 2012,10:14)
I'm not saying Yahweh is the right pronunciationThen why did you post this?
B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 22 2012,10:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 22 2012,10:14)
I'm not saying Yahweh is the right pronunciationThen why did you post this?
B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
Because your theory on the name and its sound is really not plausible according to Ancient Hebrew and once again you haven't simply used the Modern sound you took out the ORIGINAL LETTER which definitely was “WAW” so your spelling itself YHVH would be a wrong spelling translation of the 4 letters already.Hi BD,
All you have to do is produce some words with a “W” sound for your words to have ANY credibility.
But yet YOU seem to be UNABLE to do this, why? Because “W” NEVER WAS a Hebrew sound; so s i m p l e.B'shem, YHVH (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 22 2012,16:31) Hi BD, All you have to do is produce some words with a “W” sound for your words to have ANY credibility.
But yet YOU seem to be UNABLE to do this, why? Because “W” NEVER WAS a Hebrew sound; so s i m p l e.B'shem, YHVH (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
First off the letter “Waw” itself has the “W” sound and as you can read below:“When the waw appears at beginning of a syllable it will use the consonantal “w” sound.”
http://www.ancient-hebrew.org/26_pronunciation.html
So there is your proof and here is another below
The consonantal vav had an PH / F-sound. For example, the Greek word phasis
(phase of the moon) was borrowed into Hebrew as vav-samekh-sof (VeSeT).
Giving the het its W-sound and the vav its F-sound means that Adam was
calling his wife het-vav-heh WaFath or wife.http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th….8833318
More proof
The easiest way for most speakers of English to understand this is to compare a similar phenomenon in our own language. Think about that letter “y” in English. When it is found at the beginning of a word or a syllable, it has the consonantal sound of the “y”. For example, as we just saw above, yellow. Also: you. How about Yo-Yo? But when the “y” is found at the end of a word, it is rarely pronounced as a consonant. Think about the word very. You could write it as “veree” and pronounce it correctly. This explains why many American school kids learn a little ditty that goes something like “The vowels are a, e, I, o, u and sometimes y.”
Another Hebrew letter with similar development to an English vowel sign is the vav. In Biblical times (and considerably afterward depending on the location of the speaker) this consonant was actually pronounced like the English letter “w”. And just like the w it sometimes morphs into a vowel. For example, the w is a consonant in water. It is a consonant in winter. But what is its function in below? Or yellow? Most English teachers try to simplify things by telling us that the w in these words is “silent.” But that’s not really the case. The truth is that the w is part of the vowel combination ow. As is so often the case in English, there isn’t even a single pronunciation for this combination. While it is like the o in hole for below and yellow, notice that it has a very different sound in the words now or how.
Something similar happened with the Biblical Hebrew pronunciation of the vav (or more accurately, the waw, pronounced like the English word “Wow!”). The correct pronunciation of the ubiquitous word in Hebrew that translates as “and” is w’. The apostrophe means just a slight little slurred e sound. For example, the Biblical Hebrew word וְשָׁנִֽים should be pronounced w’shanim. In modern Hebrew, the waw has morphed to vav and this word is pronounced v’shanim. But the important point is that the symbol is a consonant in these examples, not a vowel.
http://www.learnclassicalhebrew.net/blog/?tag=hebrew-pronunciation
I have met my burden of proof you should now concede
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