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OMFSM! What an insult this is to all you theists!
https://heavennet.net/writings/atheist.htmthe guy states his premises as
1. Believer: A person who “believes” in the existance of God.
2. Agnostic: A person who isn't sure whether God exists or not.
3. Atheist: A person who “doesn't believe” in the existance of God.and then he says how no one has all the information in the universe and junk and so they cant KNOW so no one can be an Atheist
so his guys argument is also saying there is no such thing as a Theist, even if he but it unintelligible by calling them believers because obviously the Athiest is also a believer! he makes it sound like we have no choice and were just
were all agnostics…
of course this isn't true!
I'm honestly having trouble explaining how stupid this is simply because its so stupid and dumbfounded!If there can be a Theist there an be an Atheist – end of story
sorry if I'm harsh on it… but really… look at the paper! it absolutely contradicts itself!
or… perhaps its supposed to be a joke and I'm to closed minded to see that?
i don't know… but thanks… tell me if you agree
Yes. I do see the contradiction. What T8 was saying is that there is no way to know for certain, so there “shouldn't” be people who are atheists. But an athiest is someone who simply doesn't believe in God. And we know there are such people. Whether that is right or not isn't at issue.
And his same argument would also be true of theists I believe, so yes, it seems a contradiction.I guess he's saying there “shouldn't be” atheists but it seemed like he was saying there isn't.
In answer to your question, I don't think this was a joke, and yes there are better more sound ways to reason. I think I understand what he was trying to say.
Quote (A4J @ July 27 2007,19:13) OMFSM! What an insult this is to all you theists!
https://heavennet.net/writings/atheist.htmthe guy states his premises as
1. Believer: A person who “believes” in the existance of God.
2. Agnostic: A person who isn't sure whether God exists or not.
3. Atheist: A person who “doesn't believe” in the existance of God.and then he says how no one has all the information in the universe and junk and so they cant KNOW so no one can be an Atheist
so his guys argument is also saying there is no such thing as a Theist, even if he but it unintelligible by calling them believers because obviously the Athiest is also a believer! he makes it sound like we have no choice and were just
were all agnostics…
of course this isn't true!
I'm honestly having trouble explaining how stupid this is simply because its so stupid and dumbfounded!If there can be a Theist there an be an Atheist – end of story
sorry if I'm harsh on it… but really… look at the paper! it absolutely contradicts itself!
or… perhaps its supposed to be a joke and I'm to closed minded to see that?
i don't know… but thanks… tell me if you agree
So What I hear you saying and presenting… is…
you are not happy about how the debates progressing….so is this a random thread to vent some feelings and throw mud on t8?
Hi A4J.
The point is that it is a lot harder to disprove the existence of something than to prove it.
E.g., If I was to say that there are no square planets in existence, I would have to check the whole universe (approx 1 billion stars x 1 billion galaxies x 9 planets) to be able to state for sure that there are no square planets. Even if there were none in the whole universe, I would then need to see if there were any other universes or big bangs and check them out too. In addition, I would also have to travel in time both backward and forward to see if there ever were square planets in existence.
However lets say that the next solar system to ours had one, then I wouldn't have to search the rest of the universe for I have proven that there is at least one square planet.
Likewise if you say that there is no God, then you would have to search not only the whole universe, but every dimension and even that which was outside of the cosmos in order to prove that there was no God.
However if God revealed himself to you, then you wouldn't have to search the rest of existence to see if God existed because you already have the answer.
I will say it clearly. As a young man, I was an atheist, so I am not saying that there are no such people as those who don't not believe in the existence of God because I was once one. But when I was an athiest, I could never truly say that God didn't exist, because I hadn't checked all of existence for God's existence. So in reality I could never really be sure about it. If I was honest that would really mean that I was asserting the uncertainty of all claims to the knowledge that God existed and that my friend is what agnostic means.
So I hope you can now see why I say that there is no such thing as an atheist because atheists don't really know if God exists or not.
So yes in belief there are atheists, but in practice there are none.
Anyway, the moment I became one with God, I had my answer. There is a God. I now don't need to look for God because he lives inside me by his Spirit.
I mean no offense to anyone, but, it was pretty obvious from the beginning that atheists do indeed exist. As is the same with “agnostics” or skeptics and believers.
Quote Anyway, the moment I became one with God, I had my answer. There is a God. I now don't need to look for God because he lives inside me by his Spirit. Amen! Those who don't know if there is a God have not sought God. Jesus stands at the door and knocks.
And to those who say that the bible is a bunch of bull I always say ” the book of Rev. was written in the 1st century yet this first century man wrote “destroy those who destroy the earth” (Rev. 11:18). Who was destroying the earth in the first century and HOW were they destroying the earth in the first century. No! those who don't believe in God is because they don't want too! They make the same choice as Adam did!
Quote (acertainchap @ July 27 2007,23:56) I mean no offense to anyone, but, it was pretty obvious from the beginning that atheists do indeed exist. As is the same with “agnostics” or skeptics and believers.
An honest atheist will admit that he doesn't know if God exists or not because he doesn't possess 100% of all knowledge. That is the paradox.Quote (t8 @ July 28 2007,02:43) Quote (acertainchap @ July 27 2007,23:56) I mean no offense to anyone, but, it was pretty obvious from the beginning that atheists do indeed exist. As is the same with “agnostics” or skeptics and believers.
An honest atheist will admit that he doesn't know if God exists or not because he doesn't possess 100% of all knowledge. That is the paradox.
This is absolutely right. An honest christian will also acknowledge that, because he is not in possession of all knowledge, and because there is no physical evidence with which to demonstrate supernatural beings, he is also agnostic.The paradox really is why an atheist would want to define himself in terms of something that doesn't exist – a problem I have grappled with, being an atheist myself. The only intelligent answer I have heard on this is from Richard Dawkins, who states himself to also be an aThorist, aBaalist and aUnicornist, with the same likelihoods in each case, also making a crude estimate at the probability of the existence of a god of any kind, then stating the numerical degree to which he is atheistic!
Stuart
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