Nick Hassan

[Ed J]

In a thread labeled (Link)  'Reincarnation, Pagan idea'   Nick asks the following question…

'Please reassure us that your comment about men possibly having a previous life as  an evil angel  was in jest'

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Yet he refuses to define the term which he has used.
So I ask again…   What is: 'an evil Angel' ?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi Nick, (Link to thread)

I ask because you seem to have gotten bogged down in your approach.
An approach which is nothing more than 'a dichotomy'.

You started that thread because you claim that you are against assumptions, yet you
want me to make an assumption as to what a term means which I have never heard before?
You claim you are against making assumptions, so please define for me what is  'an evil Angel'  ?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi,
Finally an appropiate thread for the question that caused Ed to stumble.
Why folks need me to look up the concordance I do not know.

Ps 78
49 He cast upon them the fierceness of his anger, wrath, and indignation, and trouble, by sending evil angels among them .

Number 7451
Transliteration:
ra` {rah}
Word Origin:
from 7489
TWOT:
2191a,2191c AV – evil 442, wickedness 59, wicked 25, mischief 21, hurt 20, bad 13, trouble 10, sore 9, affliction 6, ill 5, adversity 4, favoured 3, harm 3, naught 3, noisome 2, grievous 2, sad 2, misc 34
Part of Speech:
TWOT – 2191a,2191c
Usage in the KJV:
evil 442, wickedness 59, wicked 25, mischief 21, hurt 20, bad 13, trouble 10, sore 9, affliction 6, ill 5, adversity 4, favoured 3, harm 3, naught 3, noisome 2, grievous 2, sad 2, misc 34

Total: 663
Definition:
adj
1.bad, evil
A.bad, disagreeable, malignant
B.bad, unpleasant, evil (giving pain, unhappiness, misery)
C.evil, displeasing
D.bad (of its kind – land, water, etc)
E.bad (of value)
F.worse than, worst (comparison)
G.sad, unhappy
H.evil (hurtful)
I.bad, unkind (vicious in disposition)
J.bad, evil, wicked (ethically)
a.in general, of persons, of thoughts
b.deeds, actions n m
2.evil, distress, misery, injury, calamity
A.evil, distress, adversity
B.evil, injury, wrong
C.evil (ethical) n f
3.evil, misery, distress, injury
A.evil, misery, distress
B.evil, injury, wrong
C.evil (ethical)

Transliteration:
mal'ak {mal-awk'}
Word Origin:
from an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy
TWOT:
1068a
Part of Speech:
noun masculine
Usage in the KJV:
angel 111, messenger 98, ambassadors 4, variant 1

Total: 214
Definition:
1.messenger, representative
A.messenger
B.angel
C.the theophanic angel

[Ed J]

Hi Nick,

So please summarize for me what YOU mean by 'evil Angel'?

Jack says 'a rock' is a being; do you agree? I don't.

4. something that exists: inanimate beings.     
    this is the obscure definition he uses.

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So how do I know what definition you are using for the term 'evil Angel' unless you specify?

I gave you the opportunity to qualify the term YOU USED with a term
that I do know the definition of: “a rebellious Angel”, yet you refused to.

So I ask again for you to specify what definition YOU are applying to the term 'evil Angel' ?

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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,
I am happy to repeat for you some scriptural truths that may help you
“Hi ED,
Scripture speaks of angels that have left their appointed abode that are in chains and reserved for judgement.[jude6]

Scripture again speak of angels that sinned who are in chains and reserved till judgement.[2Peter2.4]

Scripture speaks of angels that are Satan's[rev 12.7] and contrasts them with ELECT angels.

The ones in Ps 78 most likely are angels appointed to cause evil so are not evil in themselves IMO.

NB
The everlasting fire of mt 25.41 was not made for man but for “the devil and his angels”

The demons who serve the devil also know their unavoidable fate but knew also it was at an appointed time.

Note also no mention of a second chance or a second life in humans for angels. God only shows mercy to men.

I know you are only into procrastination and frustration games to hide your difficulty explaining how REBELLIOUS ANGELS can become men.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
I Guess the large coloured type is next.
Answers perhaps never?

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2012,19:29)

Hi Ed, I am happy to repeat for you some scriptural truths that may help you “Hi ED, Scripture speaks of angels that have left their appointed abode that are in chains and reserved for judgement.[jude6] Scripture again speak of angels that sinned who are in chains and reserved till judgement.[2Peter2.4] Scripture speaks of angels that are Satan's[rev 12.7] and contrasts them with ELECT angels. The ones in Ps 78 most likely are angels appointed to cause evil so are not evil in themselves IMO. NB The everlasting fire of mt 25.41 was not made for man but for “the devil and his angels” The demons who serve the devil also know their unavoidable fate but knew also it was at an appointed time. Note also no mention of a second chance or a second life in humans for angels. God only shows mercy to men. I know you are only into procrastination and frustration games to hide your difficulty explaining how REBELLIOUS ANGELS can become men.

Hi Nick,

Would you be so kind as to point out where the definition you are using is in this post?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2012,19:31)

Hi, Answers perhaps never?

Hi Nick,

Yes, I'm still waiting for you to define the term 'evil Angel'.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
I am surprised at your bewilderment at the meaning of EVIL ANGEL.
I would like to think it was genuine but your previous posts have indicated a level of intelligence.

Is rebellion of evil to you?

Would serving the devil suggest it?

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
You indicated previously that you sought to find agreement and avoid contention .
What has changed your approach?

Surely a simple explanation of how REBELLIOUS angels can become men would suffice.
Your diversion has given you the time to find one surely?

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2012,19:53)

Hi ED, I am surprised at your bewilderment at the meaning of EVIL ANGEL. I would like to think it was genuine but your previous posts have indicated a level of intelligence. Is rebellion of evil to you? Would serving the devil suggest it?

Hi Nick,

Are you now asking me to define the term YOU used?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2012,19:55)

Hi ED, You indicated previously that you sought to find agreement and avoid contention . What has changed your approach? Surely a simple explanation of how REBELLIOUS angels can become men would suffice. Your diversion has given you the time to find one surely?

Hi Nick,

Do you consider “rebellious Angels” to be synonymous with what you have labeled as 'an evil Angel' ?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Hi Nick, (Link)

                              'This is a dichotomy'.  
                   
You started this thread because you claim that  you are against making assumptions,  yet you
want me  to make an assumption  as to what a term means that I have never heard before?

                           End the dichotomy NOW.                  

I need to know what you are calling 'an Evil Angel',
so I can be clear as to what YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.

                             

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[NickHassan]

Quote (Ed J @ April 07 2012,20:08)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2012,19:55) Hi ED, You indicated previously that you sought to find agreement and avoid contention . What has changed your approach? Surely a simple explanation of how REBELLIOUS angels can become men would suffice. Your diversion has given you the time to find one surely? Hi Nick, Do you consider “rebellious Angels” to be synonymous with what you have labeled as 'an evil Angel' ? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi ED,
Rebellion is only one sin.
Does sin make one evil?

[terraricca]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,16:08)

Quote (Ed J @ April 07 2012,20:08) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2012,19:55) Hi ED, You indicated previously that you sought to find agreement and avoid contention . What has changed your approach? Surely a simple explanation of how REBELLIOUS angels can become men would suffice. Your diversion has given you the time to find one surely? Hi Nick, Do you consider “rebellious Angels” to be synonymous with what you have labeled as 'an evil Angel' ? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Hi ED, Rebellion is only one sin. Does sin make one evil?

N

one sin and you sin in all ,got it

[NickHassan]

Hi T,
So you would be happy with EVIL ANGEL?

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 08 2012,09:08)

Quote (Ed J @ April 07 2012,20:08) Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 07 2012,19:55) Hi ED, You indicated previously that you sought to find agreement and avoid contention . What has changed your approach? Surely a simple explanation of how REBELLIOUS angels can become men would suffice. Your diversion has given you the time to find one surely? Hi Nick, Do you consider “rebellious Angels” to be synonymous with what you have labeled as 'an evil Angel' ? God bless Ed J Hi ED, Rebellion is only one sin. Does sin make one evil?

Hi Nick,

(Leverage) Are you trying to get me to define THE TERM YOU USED?

Or

(Help) Are you giving me hints to the differences between
what is “a rebellious Angel” and what is 'an evil Angel'?

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Jesus gave a parable that I would like to share with you, Nick:    

(Help) “A certain man had two sons; and he came to the first, and said, Son, go work to day in my vineyard.
He answered and said, I will not: but afterward he repented, and went.

(Leverage) And he came to the second, and said likewise. And he answered and said, I go, sir: and went not.
Whether of them twain did the will of his father?” (Matt 21:28-31)

(PS> Angels are called “Son's of God” see Job.38:7)

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You “CAN” tell me which one is your approach! Leverage or help.

“For I beheld, and there was no man; even among them, and there was no counsellor,
that, when I asked (Help) of them, could answer a word .  (Isaiah 41:28-29)
Behold, they are all vanity; their (Leverage) works are nothing:“

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 28 2012,18:16)

Hi Ed, Despite our differences your light is encouraging. Keep up the good work.

<hr
Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
holycitybiblecode.org

[Ed J]

Quote (Ed J @ April 09 2012,12:30)

Hi Nick, So we can have a cohesive dialog, it therefore becomes necessary to know what “exactly” we are discussing.  Defining the terms… Reincarnation:  The belief that the soul, upon death of the body,                           comes back to earth in another body or form. Preexistence:  To exist in spirit form before becoming incarnated as a human. I therefore need to know what you are calling 'an Evil Angel', so I can be clear as to what YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Nick,

Do you agree with the terms that I have given?

עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)

[NickHassan]

Hi ED,
No I do not think you should give a reply only based on your terms.

[Ed J]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 09 2012,16:13)

Hi ED, No I do not think you should give a reply only based on your terms.

My replies must be based on my terms.
Take the example the term “Free Will”,
you cannot discuss free will with Gene:
because he defines free will differently.

The term 'evil angel' will inevitably come up. So I
need to know exactly what you mean by this term.
That's the very reason why I have defined the terms

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Reincarnation:  The belief that the soul, upon death of the body,
                          comes back to earth in another body or form.

Preexistence:  To exist in spirit form before becoming incarnated as a human.

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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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