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Technically the essenes believed this:
And the Lord spoke, saying, Only the Children of Light can keep the Commandments of the Law. Hear me, for I say thus: the tablets which thou didst break, these shall nevermore be written in the words of men. As thou didst return them to the earth and fire, so shall they live, invisible, in the hearts of those who are able to follow their Law. To thy people of little faith, who did sin against the Creator, even whilst thou stood on holy ground before thy God, -I will give another Law. It shall be a stem law, yea, it shall bind them, for they know not yet the Kingdom of Light.
And Moses hid the invisible Law within his breast, and kept it for a sign to the Children of Light. And God gave unto Moses the written law for the people, and he went down unto them, and spake unto them with a heavy heart.
And Moses said unto the people, these are the laws which thy God hath given thee.
1 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
3 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
4 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5 Honor thy father and thy mother.
6 Thou shalt not kill.
7 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8 Thou shalt not steal.
9 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
10 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, nor thy neighbor's wife, nor anything that is thy neighbor's.And there was a day of mourning and atonement for the great sin against the Creator, which did not end. And the broken tablets of the Invisible Law lived hidden in the breast of Moses, until it came to pass that the Children of Light appeared in the desert, and the angels walked the earth
Basically a true Law exists in the hearts of men. But this Law is one that Moses told the people. The ten commandments were not bad they were just a lesser strict Law. The Children of Light would be able to understand the Pure law written on our hearts. The rest of the Laws that followed were administered by bad angels.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 09 2008,06:49) Hi SOL,
So who are these naturally enlightened ones?
Sounds gnostic.
Sounds Essene, which Jesus was. And yes is does sound gnostic. Much of the new testament sounds gnostic if you let honesty guide you.woe to pharisee and woe to the saducee.
hear any woes to the essenes? me neither.
Jesus teachings go hand in hand with Nazarene Essenes.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 09 2008,06:52) Hi SOL,
You may claim him
but does he know you?
To him I am an open book.He can read the tablet of my heart at will.
I am just doing the best I can interpret what is written on that tablet and to do what it says.
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 09 2008,06:47) Technically the essenes believed this: And the Lord spoke, saying, Only the Children of Light can keep the Commandments of the Law. Hear me, for I say thus: the tablets which thou didst break, these shall nevermore be written in the words of men. As thou didst return them to the earth and fire, so shall they live, invisible, in the hearts of those who are able to follow their Law. To thy people of little faith, who did sin against the Creator, even whilst thou stood on holy ground before thy God, -I will give another Law. It shall be a stem law, yea, it shall bind them, for they know not yet the Kingdom of Light.
And Moses hid the invisible Law within his breast, and kept it for a sign to the Children of Light. And God gave unto Moses the written law for the people, and he went down unto them, and spake unto them with a heavy heart.
And Moses said unto the people, these are the laws which thy God hath given thee.
1 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
3 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain.
4 Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5 Honor thy father and thy mother.
6 Thou shalt not kill.
7 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8 Thou shalt not steal.
9 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
10 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house, nor thy neighbor's wife, nor anything that is thy neighbor's.And there was a day of mourning and atonement for the great sin against the Creator, which did not end. And the broken tablets of the Invisible Law lived hidden in the breast of Moses, until it came to pass that the Children of Light appeared in the desert, and the angels walked the earth
Basically a true Law exists in the hearts of men. But this Law is one that Moses told the people. The ten commandments were not bad they were just a lesser strict Law. The Children of Light would be able to understand the Pure law written on our hearts. The rest of the Laws that followed were administered by bad angels.
Quote …I will give another Law. It shall be a stem law, yea, it shall bind them, for they know not yet the Kingdom of Light. Seems to me that the “stem law” were all the other laws given to Moses to write.
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The remnant of the TRUE church (sons of light or whatever) KEEP the Commandments of GOD AND the “testimony of Jesus”.
Look at what Paul said:
Rom 8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.(And the broken tablets of the Invisible Law lived hidden in the breast of Moses, until it came to pass that the Children of Light appeared in the desert, and the angels walked the earth)
Above it says that until the essenes formed in the desert this hidden law was not revealed.
Jesus claimed to reveal that Law. The hidden one.
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 09 2008,07:07) (And the broken tablets of the Invisible Law lived hidden in the breast of Moses, until it came to pass that the Children of Light appeared in the desert, and the angels walked the earth) Above it says that until the essenes formed in the desert this hidden law was not revealed.
Jesus claimed to reveal that Law. The hidden one.
It also demonstrates how “angels” walked the earth. Fallen into matter.That is why the generation of Jesus time was so wicked according to his teachings.
alot of the message that has been hidden over time is that bad angels fell into humanity. (jesus willingly came to confront them and release captive humans) And that humans who are sons of light can become angels or sons of God.
Hi SOL,
1 Timothy 1:4
nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith.2 Timothy 4:4
and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.Titus 1:14
not paying attention to Jewish myths and commandments of men who turn away from the truth.Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 09 2008,07:08) Hi SOL,
So myths and legends are the soul of your new religion?
The same accusation could be thrown your way Nick.The only claim you have is a firm belief that the bible is a perfect holy book. Without any evidence for this belief. Again I ask what prophecy or oracle tells you the bible is true. I suspect only your heart guides you.
I then ask are you completely honest. Does you heart really tell you this?
The evidence suggest, to the best of my ability to interpret the work of scholars, that the bible is a creation of the proto-orthadox catholics who followed Paul the scismatic.
I don't hate Paul or the Church Fathers. I think in many ways they were sincere. Regardless, the evidence says they are scismatics from The Way.
Hi SOL,
You can judge Paul?
He healed and raised the dead so we can't wait to hear what you have done.Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 09 2008,07:07) (And the broken tablets of the Invisible Law lived hidden in the breast of Moses, until it came to pass that the Children of Light appeared in the desert, and the angels walked the earth) Above it says that until the essenes formed in the desert this hidden law was not revealed.
Jesus claimed to reveal that Law. The hidden one.
Mat 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.Mat 5:27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.Jesus made the law OR if you wish re instated the original Ten given to Moses.
So the last day saints Keep the Commandments Of God and faith in Jesus. Rev 14:12
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 09 2008,07:11) Hi SOL,
1 Timothy 1:4
nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith.2 Timothy 4:4
and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.Titus 1:14
not paying attention to Jewish myths and commandments of men who turn away from the truth.
Those 3 books are forgies.The list of early christians and church fathers who never even had heard of those 3 books are rather long.
They showed up on the scene way to late for Paul to have written them.
Later proto-orthodox Pauline Christians wrote them in order to give stability and direction to their growing faith since it appeared that Jesus was not coming back as fast as they thought he was.
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 09 2008,07:17) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 09 2008,07:08) Hi SOL,
So myths and legends are the soul of your new religion?
The same accusation could be thrown your way Nick.The only claim you have is a firm belief that the bible is a perfect holy book. Without any evidence for this belief. Again I ask what prophecy or oracle tells you the bible is true. I suspect only your heart guides you.
I then ask are you completely honest. Does you heart really tell you this?
The evidence suggest, to the best of my ability to interpret the work of scholars, that the bible is a creation of the proto-orthadox catholics who followed Paul the scismatic.
I don't hate Paul or the Church Fathers. I think in many ways they were sincere. Regardless, the evidence says they are scismatics from The Way.
Yes I have one that is about the Jewish people
I S R A E LAt one time, Jesus lamented over the people in Jerusalem saying;
Mat. 23:38“Behold, your house (nation) is left unto you desolate.”
But no one understood. In 70 A. D. however, it became apparent; the Israelites as a nation ceased to exist. God did warn his people that he would do this;
Ezek. 22:15 “And I will scatter thee among the heathen, and disperse thee in the countries, and will consume thy filthiness out of thee.”
While the Jews were in captivity of the Babylonians; God had Ezekiel prophecy in a demonstration, what he would do to them, if they would not turn from their evil ways;
Ezek. 5:1 “And thou, son of man, take thee a sharp knife, take thee a barber’s razor, and cause it to pass upon thine head and upon thy beard; then take thee balances to weigh and divide the hair.”
v. 2 “Thou shalt burn with fire a third part in the midst of the city, when the days of the siege are fulfilled; and thou shalt take a third part, and smite about it with a knife; and a third part thou shalt scatter in the wind; and I will draw out a sword after them.”
They were in fact very severely punished; the fire meant very severe trials, the smiting with the knife meant death by the sword, scattering in the wind is just what it implies scattering into the entire world; but was this the end of the nation Israel? Obviously not;
Jer. 30:3 “For, lo, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will bring again the captivity of my people Israel and Judah, saith the LORD; and I will cause them to return to the Land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.”
Jer. 46:28 “Fear thou not, O Jacob my servant, saith the LORD; for I am with thee, for I will make a full end of all the nations whither I have driven thee, but correct thee in measure, yet will I not leave thee wholly unpunished.”
The evidence shows, God has kept his promise; since 1948, Israel again is a nation. But what did happen, for that to happen? At the time Jesus pronounced the destruction of their house, nation, they were already serving a seven-time punishment period. A time is a year of 360 days, God’s punishment is a year for a day, or 7×360 = 2520 years.
Lev. 26:18 “And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.”
This punishment started with the invasion of the Babylonians in 606 B.C., and ended in 1914 A.D., the beginning of World War One. Is that important? VERY! For one thing, Palestine was occupied by the Muslim Turks; how to get them out? The whole process started with the cleansing of the sanctuary.
Dan. 8:14 “And he said unto me, unto two thousand and three hundred days (years), then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.”
What sanctuary are we talking about hear? God’s throne in heaven;
Ps. 102:19 “ For he has looked down from the height of his sanctuary; from heaven did the LORD behold the earth.”
The starting point for these 2300 years, was the same as the seventy weeks, Dan. 9:24; that is, when the order was given to rebuild the city Jerusalem and her walls, 457 B.C. It was Gods sanctuary that was cleansed of Satan and his angels, their access to Gods throne has since then been denied.
Rev. 12:7 “And there was war in heaven; Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels.”
v. 8 “And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.”
v. 9 “And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world; he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.”
v. 10 “And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ; for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.”
v. 12 “Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe (third woe) to the inhabitants of the earth and of the sea (Nations)! For the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he has but a short time.”
v. 13 “And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.”
The woman is symbolic for a church or religious organization; Israel is the woman that brought forth the man-child, Jesus; and Satan was going to make war with the remnant of her seed; the Jews.
v. 17 “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep (have) the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.”
What are the testimonies of Jesus?
Rev. 19:10 “And I fell at his feet to worship him, And he said unto me, See thou do it not; I am thy fellowservent, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus; worship God; for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
God had sent to them all the prophets, but they had paid little or no attention to them even killed them. There should be no mistake, that the Israelites, which were scattered all over the world, are the remnant of her seed. Satan himself however, cannot harm anyone;
Job 1:12 “And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thyne hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the LORD.”
But there are those that will do his evil work;
v. 15 “And the Sabe’ans fell upon them, and took them away; yea, they have slain the servants with the edge of the sword; and I only am escaped alone to tell thee.”
According to the time given by Daniel, the cleansing of the sanctuary took place in 1843, by 1914, 70 years a generation later,
Ps. 90:10 “The days of our years are threescore years and ten (70 years); and if by
reason of stength (health) they be fourscore years (80 years), yet is their strength
labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.”
Satan had the whole world on edge, that all it took was one shot; the assassination of the Austrian Archduke Francis Ferdinand. Hardly ever will the older generation start a rebellion or a revolution. It is the progressive dissatisfaction of the younger generations that will bring that about. It took one shot, and the whole world exploded into World War One. It was by the means of this war, that God cleared the way for the Jews to return to their Land, now called Palestine. He had the British drive out the Turks; and in 1918 the British secretary of State for foreig
n affairs Arthur Balfour, promised British support for the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people. By 1919 the number of Jewish immigrants to Palestine had risen to about 58000. Sounds a bit like Ezra 2:64, 65, does it not? Arab nations tried to stem the flow, but were unable to.
In 1933, 30,000 Jews came to Palestine,
In 1934, 42,000 Jews came, and
In 1935, 61,000 Jews immigrated to Palestine.
By 1939, Jewish Colonies had increased to 200, and population had reached almost 500,000. World War One served another purpose; it was the reason for World War Two.
After becoming Chancellor of Germany; Adolf Hitler displayed hatred toward the Jews, unequaled by any other. Satan had found his man, and the Jews were to experience a kind of persecution, like never before. Jesus said this time would come;
Mat. 24:21 “For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.”
This is exactly what we read in;
Jer. 30:7 “Alas! For that day (time) is great, so that none is like it: it is even the time of Jacob’s (Israel’s) trouble; but he shall be saved out of it.”
And saved out of it he was, Jesus said he would be,
Mat. 24:22 “And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.”
We even read about this time in;
Dan. 12:1 “And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered…”
There should be no doubt that, the children of thy people – Daniels people -, are the Jews; and the remnant of the seed of the woman, are what is left of the Jews, scattered all over the world. So in all we are talking about the same people, the Jews. But Jesus said “for the elect’s sake”, are the Jewish people the elect? YES!
Is. 45:4 “For Jacob my servant’s sake, and Israel mine elect…”
Is. 65:22 “They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.”
Rom. 11:28 “As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes, but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers sakes.”
It should not be too difficult to figure out how the days were shortened; God defeated Germany. Think about it; had Hitler won the war, no flesh, Jew, would be alive today! For the Jews to regain their land and independence did not come easy. They had to fight, literally, against overwhelming odds, but the odds don’t matter when you have God on your side.
Zeph. 10:6 “And I will strengthen the house of Judah, and I will save the house of Joseph, and I will bring them again to place them; for I have mercy upon them; and they shall be as though I had not cast them off; for I am the LORD their God, and will hear them.”
While God is looking ahead and making things happen, we have to look back and try to understand, what did happen? And even then, looking at history is like looking at pieces of a puzzle, and without the help of God’s Holy Spirit, we would never know where they fit.
1 Cor. 2:11 “For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? Even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.”This is an artilce that my husband wrote
Peace and Love Mrs.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 09 2008,07:19) Hi SOL,
You can judge Paul?
He healed and raised the dead so we can't wait to hear what you have done.
Well I didn't persecute and kill followers of The Way.I don't try to deceive people in order to tricking them into a religious view.
You have paper and ink telling you that Paul raised the dead. That's it Nick.
You are using circular reasoning.
Paul raised the dead because acts tells me so. Acts is true because it was written (supposedly) by Luke. Luke was a follower of Paul. We can believe Paul because he demonstrated power by raising the dead. Paul raised the dead because acts tells me so. Acts is true because it was written (supposedly) by Luke. Luke was a follower of Paul. We can believe Paul because he demonstrated power by raising the dead. Paul raised the dead because acts tells me so. Acts is true because it was written (supposedly) by Luke. Luke was a follower of Paul. We can believe Paul because he demonstrated power by raising the dead. Paul raised the dead because acts tells me so. Acts is true because it was written (supposedly) by Luke. Luke was a follower of Paul. We can believe Paul because he demonstrated power by raising the dead. Paul raised the dead because acts tells me so. Acts is true because it was written (supposedly) by Luke. Luke was a follower of Paul. We can believe Paul because he demonstrated power by raising the dead. Paul raised the dead because acts tells me so. Acts is true because it was written (supposedly) by Luke. Luke was a follower of Paul. We can believe Paul because he demonstrated power by raising the dead.
ad naseum…..
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 09 2008,07:29) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 09 2008,07:19) Hi SOL,
You can judge Paul?
He healed and raised the dead so we can't wait to hear what you have done.
Well I didn't persecute and kill followers of The Way.I don't try to deceive people in order to tricking them into a religious view.
You have paper and ink telling you that Paul raised the dead. That's it Nick.
You are using circular reasoning.
Paul raised the dead because acts tells me so. Acts is true because it was written (supposedly) by Luke. Luke was a follower of Paul. We can believe Paul because he demonstrated power by raising the dead. Paul raised the dead because acts tells me so. Acts is true because it was written (supposedly) by Luke. Luke was a follower of Paul. We can believe Paul because he demonstrated power by raising the dead. Paul raised the dead because acts tells me so. Acts is true because it was written (supposedly) by Luke. Luke was a follower of Paul. We can believe Paul because he demonstrated power by raising the dead. Paul raised the dead because acts tells me so. Acts is true because it was written (supposedly) by Luke. Luke was a follower of Paul. We can believe Paul because he demonstrated power by raising the dead. Paul raised the dead because acts tells me so. Acts is true because it was written (supposedly) by Luke. Luke was a follower of Paul. We can believe Paul because he demonstrated power by raising the dead. Paul raised the dead because acts tells me so. Acts is true because it was written (supposedly) by Luke. Luke was a follower of Paul. We can believe Paul because he demonstrated power by raising the dead.
ad naseum…..
Hi SOL,
Are none of the writings the sacred words of God?
No wonder you feel free to make your own wierd way.
However there is only one way-you must be born again.
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