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Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,17:03) Now wait, before Adam and Eve listened to the serpent(holy spirit)
they had access to paradise. But after they listened to the “Most High” they were refused access to the spirit realm?
The realm where the elohim dwell yes they were cast down from that.The Most High exists in unapproachable light unless you are formed into an exact image of that light you can't approach him.
They where cast down by the elohim and enslaved in this fleshy world.
Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2008,17:06) Are you buying this Kench??…I mean seriously….
This is not new stuff. This stuff predates “orthodox” Gentile Greek Christianity.I understand where you are coming from though. It does seem hard to buy when you live in the matrix. You need set free my friend.
What is true love, true light, true good and who is the True God. The God of Love. The God Yahshua preached.
Adam and Eve were in paradise then when they ate of the tree that the serpent (holy spirit) told them to eat from, disobeying Jehovah (a bad angel) they were cast down to the fleshly world and imprisoned in a fleshly body?
SOL we seem to be going in circles.
Psalm 97:9
For you, O LORD (YHWH), are the Most High over all the earth; you are exalted far above all gods.Hmmm….looks like YHWH is the Most High.
Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,17:15) Adam and Eve were in paradise then when they ate of the tree that the serpent (holy spirit) told them to eat from, disobeying Jehovah (a bad angel) they were cast down to the fleshly world and imprisoned in a fleshly body? SOL we seem to be going in circles.
They were bound to this earth. A cycle of death and rebirth. Kept inprisoned in flesh and matter.Jesus sets the captives free through knowledge of the truth. Through this knowledge we can truly know the difference between good and evil and can choose good.
Then we can follow Christ back to the Light not again begin led astray into cycles of death.
The gates of hades cannot contain our souls in matter any longer if you know the truth and choose to be made into the image of the True God of love and light.
Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2008,17:16) Psalm 97:9
For you, O LORD (YHWH), are the Most High over all the earth; you are exalted far above all gods.Hmmm….looks like YHWH is the Most High.
Jeremiah 8:88 ” 'How can you say, “We are wise,
for we have the law of the LORD,”
when actually the lying pen of the scribes
has handled it falsely?Matthew 16:11-12
11How is it you don't understand that I was not talking to you about bread? But be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” 12Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
Read anything on the “documentary hypothesis” to get the answers of what these lying scribes did to make the tribal deity Jehovah the Most High.
Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2008,17:16) Psalm 97:9
For you, O LORD (YHWH), are the Most High over all the earth; you are exalted far above all gods.Hmmm….looks like YHWH is the Most High.
have you any comments on this verse SOL?Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 06 2008,17:12) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2008,17:06) Are you buying this Kench??…I mean seriously….
This is not new stuff. This stuff predates “orthodox” Gentile Greek Christianity.
That doesn't validate it.Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2008,17:22) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2008,17:16) Psalm 97:9
For you, O LORD (YHWH), are the Most High over all the earth; you are exalted far above all gods.Hmmm….looks like YHWH is the Most High.
have you any comments on this verse SOL?
Hi Isa 1:1:18I think SOL is trying to say that when the Hebrew text dosnt agree with his theology then it is the lying pen of the scribes.
Pretty convenient wouldnt you say?
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 06 2008,17:22) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2008,17:16) Psalm 97:9
For you, O LORD (YHWH), are the Most High over all the earth; you are exalted far above all gods.Hmmm….looks like YHWH is the Most High.
Jeremiah 8:88 ” 'How can you say, “We are wise,
for we have the law of the LORD,”
when actually the lying pen of the scribes
has handled it falsely?
I think you are misinterpreting Jeremiah 8:8. This verse most assuredly cannot be used as evidence for tampering of the Tanach. Here's what Barnes wrote about this verse.The law of the Lord – The “Torah,” or written law, the possession of which made the priests and prophets so boastfully exclaim, “We are wise.”
Lo, certainly … – Rather, Verily, lo! the lying pen “of the scribes” hath made it – the Law – into a lie. The mention of “scribes” in this place is a crucial point in the argument whether or not the Pentateuch or Torah is the old law-book of the Jews, or a fabrication which gradually grew up, but was not received as authoritative until after the return from the captivity. It is not until the time of Josiah II Chronicles 34:13 that “scribes” are mentioned except as political officers; here, however, they are students of the Torah. The Torah must have existed in writing before there could have been an order of men whose special business it was to study it; and therefore to explain this verse by saying that perhaps the scribes were writers of false prophecies written in imitation of the true, is to lose the whole gist of the passage. What the scribes turned into a lie was that Law of which they had just boasted that they were the possessors. Moreover, the scribes undeniably became possessed of preponderating influence during the exile: and on the return from Babylon were powerful enough to prevent the restoration of the kingly office. That there should be along with the priests and Levites men who devoted themselves to the study of the written Law, and who in the time of Josiah had acquired such influence as to be recognized as a distinct class – is just what we should expect from the rapid progress of learning, which began with Elisha' s active management of the schools of the prophets, and culminated in the days of Hezekiah. Jeremiah' s whole argument depends upon the fact that there were in his days men who claimed to be “wise” or “learned” men because of their study of the Pentateuch, and is entirely inconsistent with the assumptions that Jeremiah wrote the book of Deuteronomy, and that Ezra wrote parts of Exodus and the whole of Leviticus.
Source: http://bibletools.org/….sQuote Matthew 16:11-12 11How is it you don't understand that I was not talking to you about bread? But be on your guard against the yeast of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” 12Then they understood that he was not telling them to guard against the yeast used in bread, but against the teaching of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
The “teaching” of the Pharisees and Sadducees is to be treated with caution, not the words of scripture.Quote Read anything on the “documentary hypothesis” to get the answers of what these lying scribes did to make the tribal deity Jehovah the Most High.
I'll take the words of scripture over yours or your scholars', thanks all the same.Blessings
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 06 2008,17:41) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2008,17:22) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2008,17:16) Psalm 97:9
For you, O LORD (YHWH), are the Most High over all the earth; you are exalted far above all gods.Hmmm….looks like YHWH is the Most High.
have you any comments on this verse SOL?
Hi Isa 1:1:18I think SOL is trying to say that when the Hebrew text dosnt agree with his theology then it is the lying pen of the scribes.
Pretty convenient wouldnt you say?
Hey buddy,
I agree. I mean Yeshua had quite a remarkably high opinion of the Hebrew scriptures wouldn't you say? Good enough for Him….
Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2008,17:44) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 06 2008,17:41) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2008,17:22) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2008,17:16) Psalm 97:9
For you, O LORD (YHWH), are the Most High over all the earth; you are exalted far above all gods.Hmmm….looks like YHWH is the Most High.
have you any comments on this verse SOL?
Hi Isa 1:1:18I think SOL is trying to say that when the Hebrew text dosnt agree with his theology then it is the lying pen of the scribes.
Pretty convenient wouldnt you say?
Hey buddy,
I agree. I mean Yeshua had quite a remarkably high opinion of the Hebrew scriptures wouldn't you say? Good enough for Him….
Hey BrotherHow true. If we would just respect the scriptures and read them without bias and accept them as they are, comparing scripture with scripture while trusting the Holy Spirit to lead us into all truth then there would be a whole lot more unity in the body of Christ.
Blessings.
I believe the scriptures to be works of men.
I believe they are corrupt.
I believe that “orthodoxy” determined what writings were to be called canon by their dogma and not writings determining their dogma. They tried to destroy and suppress evidence of the original movement of Jesus.
I believe that the spirit gives life and the letter kills.
I believe God is Love and Light and in him is NO shadow of turning. Anything else is a lie.
Modern scholarship has been unveiling these truths and for Christians it is a hard pill to swallow.
W.J. I could say that to you too, because you too ignore the Scripture that I have given you over and over again that proves that the trinity is wrong. One God, One Father of all WHO IS ABOVE ALL. TRINITY 3in1 equal in power. That contradicts big times.
Mrs.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 06 2008,17:41) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2008,17:22) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2008,17:16) Psalm 97:9
For you, O LORD (YHWH), are the Most High over all the earth; you are exalted far above all gods.Hmmm….looks like YHWH is the Most High.
have you any comments on this verse SOL?
Hi Isa 1:1:18I think SOL is trying to say that when the Hebrew text dosnt agree with his theology then it is the lying pen of the scribes.
Pretty convenient wouldnt you say?
When the scriptures say God is evil or hateful and not Love the Yes that is a lie.I use scriptures because they do contain truth.
The Old Testament contains historical truths.
The New Testament contains some of the teachings of Yahshua. After all in is a corruption of his original teachings they couldn't get rid of all the good things he taught.
I use scripture to help demonstrate that even though they have corruptions they themselves contain evidence of their own corruption.
The bible contains many gems of love and truth, but without a knowledge of the True God of Love the scriptures can be twisted into books of pure evil by those fueled by the hate of the god of this world.
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 07 2008,02:42) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 06 2008,17:41) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2008,17:22) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2008,17:16) Psalm 97:9
For you, O LORD (YHWH), are the Most High over all the earth; you are exalted far above all gods.Hmmm….looks like YHWH is the Most High.
have you any comments on this verse SOL?
Hi Isa 1:1:18I think SOL is trying to say that when the Hebrew text dosnt agree with his theology then it is the lying pen of the scribes.
Pretty convenient wouldnt you say?
When the scriptures say God is evil or hateful and not Love the Yes that is a lie.I use scriptures because they do contain truth.
The Old Testament contains historical truths.
The New Testament contains some of the teachings of Yahshua. After all in is a corruption of his original teachings they couldn't get rid of all the good things he taught.
I use scripture to help demonstrate that even though they have corruptions they themselves contain evidence of their own corruption.
The bible contains many gems of love and truth, but without a knowledge of the True God of Love the scriptures can be twisted into books of pure evil by those fueled by the hate of the god of this world.
TRUE! Even though the Bible was put together by the RCC the very word they assembled is a witness against them
Call no man Father!
If God wants you to know… YOU WILL KNOW!Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 07 2008,03:08) Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 07 2008,02:42) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 06 2008,17:41) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2008,17:22) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2008,17:16) Psalm 97:9
For you, O LORD (YHWH), are the Most High over all the earth; you are exalted far above all gods.Hmmm….looks like YHWH is the Most High.
have you any comments on this verse SOL?
Hi Isa 1:1:18I think SOL is trying to say that when the Hebrew text dosnt agree with his theology then it is the lying pen of the scribes.
Pretty convenient wouldnt you say?
When the scriptures say God is evil or hateful and not Love the Yes that is a lie.I use scriptures because they do contain truth.
The Old Testament contains historical truths.
The New Testament contains some of the teachings of Yahshua. After all in is a corruption of his original teachings they couldn't get rid of all the good things he taught.
I use scripture to help demonstrate that even though they have corruptions they themselves contain evidence of their own corruption.
The bible contains many gems of love and truth, but without a knowledge of the True God of Love the scriptures can be twisted into books of pure evil by those fueled by the hate of the god of this world.
TRUE! Even though the Bible was put together by the RCC the very word they assembled is a witness against them Call no man Father!
If God wants you to know… YOU WILL KNOW!
Amen,and Amen to that.Peace and Love Mrs.
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 07 2008,02:42) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 06 2008,17:41) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2008,17:22) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2008,17:16) Psalm 97:9
For you, O LORD (YHWH), are the Most High over all the earth; you are exalted far above all gods.Hmmm….looks like YHWH is the Most High.
have you any comments on this verse SOL?
Hi Isa 1:1:18I think SOL is trying to say that when the Hebrew text dosnt agree with his theology then it is the lying pen of the scribes.
Pretty convenient wouldnt you say?
When the scriptures say God is evil or hateful and not Love the Yes that is a lie.I use scriptures because they do contain truth.
The Old Testament contains historical truths.
The New Testament contains some of the teachings of Yahshua. After all in is a corruption of his original teachings they couldn't get rid of all the good things he taught.
I use scripture to help demonstrate that even though they have corruptions they themselves contain evidence of their own corruption.
The bible contains many gems of love and truth, but without a knowledge of the True God of Love the scriptures can be twisted into books of pure evil by those fueled by the hate of the god of this world.
Hi SOL,
So the scriptures contain glimpses of the deeper truths you alone know?
Are you a gnostic?Quote (IM4Truth @ Jan. 07 2008,04:09) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 07 2008,03:08) Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 07 2008,02:42) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Jan. 06 2008,17:41) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2008,17:22) Quote (Is 1:18 @ Jan. 06 2008,17:16) Psalm 97:9
For you, O LORD (YHWH), are the Most High over all the earth; you are exalted far above all gods.Hmmm….looks like YHWH is the Most High.
have you any comments on this verse SOL?
Hi Isa 1:1:18I think SOL is trying to say that when the Hebrew text dosnt agree with his theology then it is the lying pen of the scribes.
Pretty convenient wouldnt you say?
When the scriptures say God is evil or hateful and not Love the Yes that is a lie.I use scriptures because they do contain truth.
The Old Testament contains historical truths.
The New Testament contains some of the teachings of Yahshua. After all in is a corruption of his original teachings they couldn't get rid of all the good things he taught.
I use scripture to help demonstrate that even though they have corruptions they themselves contain evidence of their own corruption.
The bible contains many gems of love and truth, but without a knowledge of the True God of Love the scriptures can be twisted into books of pure evil by those fueled by the hate of the god of this world.
TRUE! Even though the Bible was put together by the RCC the very word they assembled is a witness against them Call no man Father!
If God wants you to know… YOU WILL KNOW!
Amen,and Amen to that.Peace and Love Mrs.
mrs and kenrchIs there anything in my post that you disagree with concerning trusting the scritpures?
My post was not directed to you.
It is directed to SOL for his disrespect and critisism of the scriptures.
He said…
Quote
I believe the scriptures to be works of men.I believe they are corrupt.
I believe that “orthodoxy” determined what writings were to be called canon by their dogma and not writings determining their dogma. They tried to destroy and suppress evidence of the original movement of Jesus.
I believe that the spirit gives life and the letter kills.
I believe God is Love and Light and in him is NO shadow of turning. Anything else is a lie.
Modern scholarship has been unveiling these truths and for Christians it is a hard pill to swallow.
Now the question would be do you and kenrch agree with this?
Which books or scriptures would you remove from the Old and New Testament and call them the “works of men” and that they are corrupt?
This guy places himself above the scriptures! He thinks he has some special revelation above scriptures. He completly removes or disregards what dosnt agree with his theology.
I am not talking about ambiguity and disagreement in interpretation. He believes that they are not scriptures at all.
Mrs, as far as Eph 4:4-6 that you keep throwing at me, I have ignored you because I have already answered your post and addressed those scriptures in the trinity thread.
You have a right to believe that those scriptures are proof the trinity is false if you want, but you sure havnt convinced me and in fact those scriptures im my mind support the Trinity.
And you havnt responded to my answer to you on those scriptures.
I believe in those scriptures but not like you. SOL dosnt believe in the scriptures, he like tow picks and chooses what he thinks is right and throws the rest out or claims it is corrupt or written by men.
I am surprised you guys jump on board with this guy.
Although I should realize its because Isa 1:18 and myself are the evil trinitarians even though we support and believe all the scriptures whereas these guys dont.
Did you guys notice NH even comments on his abhorance of the scriptures?
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