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Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,15:03) Num 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died. HOLY SPIRIT? The serpents were killing people.
Num 21:7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people.
Num 21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
Num 21:9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
If they looked at the serpent on the pole they knew that they would be healed because God Said so. A simple sign of faith just as the ark. God had beaten the serpent and punished the serpent. HE RULED THE SERPENT! Not the other way around!
You cant see the forest because of the trees.Jehovah sent the serpents in the first place. Jehovah was up to his normal psychotic episodes of cruelty.
I am talking about the symbology of the serpent as being the embodiment of wisdom and prefiguring Christ.
I think I understand some of the confusion here, let me clarify.
The elohim (gods) created the cosmos. From the beginning matter as been chaotic and destructive. From the beginning everything died and entropy destroyed all things. From the beginning animals killed at ate each other. (fossil record) From the beginning the Jehovah gods have been liars and murderers.
FROM THE BEGINNING LIFE HAS CANNABILISTICALLY FED ON LIFE. THE UNIVERSE IS A CADAVER. FROM THE VERY SMALLEST BACTERIA TO US HUMANS EVERYTHING FEEDS ON DEATH.
The Most High did not create the cosmos. He lives in a realm of Love and Light. His distant sons who rebelled created the cosmos.
OH! I understand why the “bad angel” punished Adam and Eve. But why did the MOST HIGH allow the bad angel to punish Adam and Eve for doing as the Most High God said?
If I do as the most High God says He will allow the satans to punish me?
The serpent (holy spirit according to you) told Adam and Eve to disobey the bad angel Jehovah (according to you) and for obeying the “Most High” Adam and Eve were punished.
Why did the Most High allow the bad angels to punish Adam and Eve because they did as the Most High Said?
Who is the GOD here the bad angels?
Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,15:27) Why did the Most High allow the bad angels to punish Adam and Eve because they did as the Most High Said? Who is the GOD here the bad angels?
The Most High has provided away for us to escape our makers. To “know” true love, true light and the true God and be able to live as his sons. He doesn't want to create a bunch of New sons who mix light and darkness.Jesus kicked open the gates of hades and those with the divine spark are set free from a cycle of death and rebirth.
Why do you think they thought John was Elijah?
The essenes and pharisees both believed in reincarnation.
Josephus is well known to Christian apologists.
In his Antiquity of the Jews (Book i8, Chap. 1, No.2), Josephus states that there were three sects of philosophy amongst the Jews: the Essenes, the Pharisees, and the Sadducees. The doctrine of the Sadducees was that souls die with the bodies, but both the Essenes and the Pharisees, he affirms, believed in rebirth. As to the Essenes, who have now become famous owing to the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls, he states elsewhere:
They smiled in their very pains and laughed to scorn those who inflicted torments upon them, and resigned up their souls with great alacrity, as expecting to receive them again.
For their doctrine is this, that bodies are corruptible, and that the matter they are made of is not permanent; but that the souls are immortal, and continue for ever: and that they come out of the most subtile air, and are united to their bodies as to prisons, into which they are drawn by a certain natural enticement; but that when they are set free from the bonds of flesh, they then, as released from a long bondage, rejoice and mount upward. . . .
These are the divine doctrines of the Essenes about the soul….
Jewish War, Book 2, Chap. 8, Nos. 10- 11
[The Pharisees] believe that souls have an immortal vigour in them [and that the virtuous] shall have power to revive and live again: on account of which doctrines they are able greatly to persuade the body of the people.
Antiquity of the Jews, Book i8, Chap. 1, No.3Philo Judeus (20 B.C.-A.D. 54)
http://christianreincarnation.blogspot.com/2006….13.html
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 06 2008,15:11) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,15:03) Num 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died. HOLY SPIRIT? The serpents were killing people.
Num 21:7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people.
Num 21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
Num 21:9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
If they looked at the serpent on the pole they knew that they would be healed because God Said so. A simple sign of faith just as the ark. God had beaten the serpent and punished the serpent. HE RULED THE SERPENT! Not the other way around!
You cant see the forest because of the trees.Jehovah sent the serpents in the first place. Jehovah was up to his normal psychotic episodes of cruelty.
I am talking about the symbology of the serpent as being the embodiment of wisdom and prefiguring Christ.
NO! The serpent is the holy spirit? The serpent represents the holy spirit just as the dove, right? But NOW the serpent is sent by Jehovah the bad angel? So which is it?The serpent in Genesis is the holy spirit but the serpent in Numbers
is sent by the bad angels.What trees!
The most high didn't punish man.
You could say he let the bad angels punish us but he was on the scene immeaditely to provide truth and knowledge. He wouldn't let men be stupid slaves to his rebellious sons.
But we were created with both light and darkness. He is giving us an option to choose light. he is giving us wisdom to know the difference and to be set free.
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 06 2008,15:42) The most high didn't punish man. You could say he let the bad angels punish us but he was on the scene immeaditely to provide truth and knowledge. He wouldn't let men be stupid slaves to his rebellious sons.
But we were created with both light and darkness. He is giving us an option to choose light. he is giving us wisdom to know the difference and to be set free.
Why did the Most High allow the bad angels to punish Adam and Eve because they did as the Most High Said?Who is the GOD here the bad angels?
Adam and Eve chose the Light of the Most High. But then the Most High Allowed satan(s) to punish Adam and Eve for obeying Him.
IS THIS RIGHT?
Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,15:37) Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 06 2008,15:11) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,15:03) Num 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died. HOLY SPIRIT? The serpents were killing people.
Num 21:7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people.
Num 21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
Num 21:9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
If they looked at the serpent on the pole they knew that they would be healed because God Said so. A simple sign of faith just as the ark. God had beaten the serpent and punished the serpent. HE RULED THE SERPENT! Not the other way around!
You cant see the forest because of the trees.Jehovah sent the serpents in the first place. Jehovah was up to his normal psychotic episodes of cruelty.
I am talking about the symbology of the serpent as being the embodiment of wisdom and prefiguring Christ.
NO! The serpent is the holy spirit? The serpent represents the holy spirit just as the dove, right? But NOW the serpent is sent by Jehovah the bad angel? So which is it?The serpent in Genesis is the holy spirit but the serpent in Numbers
is sent by the bad angels.What trees!
Jehovah used serpents to punish disobedient men in the desert.Maybe this was his way of spitefully recalling the garden event. full of biterness he attacked his servents with serpents. Daring them to disobey him again like adam and eve did once before.
I am not saying that literally the serpent on the staff was intended to represent christ. I am just referencing the symbolic use of serpents as wisdom and healing. Even today the healing symbol is a serpent (see these symbols at hospitals).
Jehovah often acts insane. For example:
Exodus 4:24
24 And it came to pass on the way at the lodging-place, that Jehovah met him, and sought to kill him.
Random acts of violence? If Jehovah is all knowing why would he seek to kill and fail? Why would he seek to kill though knowing the future not realizing he would change his mind? Why in the heck would the God of Love kill him anyway?
The following is from the book Jehovah Unmasked by Nathaniel Merrit.
All of us grew up watching and enjoying the antics of
Donald Duck. We laughed as he slowly but surely lost
control of a situation, and then finally, in an impotent
rage, threw a temper tantrum. Sometimes, it was his
nephews Huey, Dewey, and Louie who drove poor
Donald to the brink and beyond. We can all relate to
Donald because often we too are faced with a situation
that is beyond our control no matter what we do. After
all, we are finite beings. However, when Donald Duck
finally came to the end of his rope and threw a
destructive temper tantrum, he displayed three important
traits:1. He is impotent in the face of great difficulty.
2. He utterly lacks self-control.
3. He can be manipulated by others and by
circumstance.When Huey, Dewey, and Louie continued to disobey
Donald despite all his warnings, all he could really do in
the end was throw a fit and destroy things in his
impotent rage. In this, Huey, Dewey, and Louie
demonstrated their control over their Uncle Donald.
They could push his buttons until he could no longer
respond to the situation in a rational or constructive
manner, and he was finally overcome by his mindless
rage. Donald had been successfully manipulated and
shown to be impotent. For one is truly impotent when
one can no longer respond to a situation constructively
or maintain composure and self-control, and can only
rage and destroy. As humans, we can relate to this. It
reminds us of our own finiteness, and our own foibles.
However, when we read about this same behavior being
displayed by the supposedly omnipotent and omniscient
god Jehovah in the pages of the Bible, it should give us
instant pause for thoughtful analysis of Jehovah.
Humans push Jehovah, over and over again, beyond his
ability to respond to a situation in a constructive,
rational, or self-controlled manner.
Just as Donald Duck throws impotent destructive
rages because he can no longer respond constructively or
rationally, so does Jehovah. In the pages of the Bible,
humans disobey this supposedly omniscient and
omnicompetent god over and over, until he finally
throws a destructive temper tantrum. He kills everyone
on earth with a flood, sparing only a handful. He sends not
obey him. Jehovah kills all the firstborn sons of the
Egyptians. Jehovah commands the Israelites to slaughter
millions of men, women, the elderly, children, infants,
babies, and even rip unborn babies out of their mother’s
wombs. In his impotent wrath, Jehovah again and again
destroys vast multitudes of the Israelites, his own
“chosen people,” because he can no longer find a way to
respond in a meaningful, constructive, self-controlled
manner to their disobedience, despite his supposedly
omniscient, omnipotent, and omnicompetent nature.
The Final Solution for Jehovah is always impotent
destructive rage and murder
We can laugh at Donald Duck's behavior because we
see our human finiteness and foibles portrayed onscreen.
Yet, when we find such behavior attributed to a
supposedly omniscient, omnipotent, and omnicompetent
Jehovah, we should be horrified and
repulsed. Why? The real God is beyond our flesh in
intelligence, power, and wisdom. That God is not
subject to our human finiteness and foibles, being
superior to our flesh, not inferior as Jehovah is. The
True God is always able to find a meaningful,
constructive way to respond to any situation. The True
God could never be manipulated and controlled by finite
creatures as Jehovah is.
“Huey, Dewey, and Louie” (the human race) would
never be able to exhaust the True God's mental and
emotional resources and push it over the brink into
impotent, murderous rage.
As we have seen over and over, “Jehovah” is none
other than Satan the Devil. Those who worship that god,
“The God of this Age,” and fill their mind with tales of
its impotent rage, begin to display such behavior
themselves. Again I point the reader to the Christian
Right, as well as Christian history, for confirmation of
my claim. It is only logical that we would become like
that which we worship, that which we give the highest
place in our minds and hearts. Those who worship
Jehovah/Satan pose a continuous real threat to the lives
of each other and to those of us
who do not worship
their nasty god. Christian and Jewish history (and today's
news.) are overflowing with examples of the savagery of
those who have filled their minds and hearts with the
Jehovah/Satan fiend.Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,15:48) Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 06 2008,15:42) The most high didn't punish man. You could say he let the bad angels punish us but he was on the scene immeaditely to provide truth and knowledge. He wouldn't let men be stupid slaves to his rebellious sons.
But we were created with both light and darkness. He is giving us an option to choose light. he is giving us wisdom to know the difference and to be set free.
Why did the Most High allow the bad angels to punish Adam and Eve because they did as the Most High Said?Who is the GOD here the bad angels?
Adam and Eve chose the Light of the Most High. But then the Most High Allowed satan(s) to punish Adam and Eve for obeying Him.
IS THIS RIGHT?
Because flesh and blood cannot become sons of God. They must die and shed their mortal coils to be reunited with the Most High God who is spirit.God set them free but they still had to die. The Most High wants all the fallen souls to have a chance to return to the light.
Here is his reason:
The Parable of the Weeds
24Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.
27″The owner's servants came to him and said, 'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?'28″ 'An enemy did this,' he replied.
“The servants asked him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?'29″ 'No,' he answered, 'because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest.
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 06 2008,15:56) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,15:48) Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 06 2008,15:42) The most high didn't punish man. You could say he let the bad angels punish us but he was on the scene immeaditely to provide truth and knowledge. He wouldn't let men be stupid slaves to his rebellious sons.
But we were created with both light and darkness. He is giving us an option to choose light. he is giving us wisdom to know the difference and to be set free.
Why did the Most High allow the bad angels to punish Adam and Eve because they did as the Most High Said?Who is the GOD here the bad angels?
Adam and Eve chose the Light of the Most High. But then the Most High Allowed satan(s) to punish Adam and Eve for obeying Him.
IS THIS RIGHT?
Because flesh and blood cannot become sons of God. They must die and shed their mortal coils to be reunited with the Most High God who is spirit.God set them free but they still had to die. The Most High wants all the fallen souls to have a chance to return to the light.
Here is his reason:
The Parable of the Weeds
24Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.
27″The owner's servants came to him and said, 'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?'28″ 'An enemy did this,' he replied.
“The servants asked him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?'29″ 'No,' he answered, 'because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest.
OK so the tree of good and evil is knowledge of the Most High God and gives us a choice rather than be a slave.How is it that Jehovah Stopped Adam and Eve from taking from the tree of life.
Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Jehovah (bad angel) created the tree of Life, and good and evil? Why would the bad guy create a tree of life and a tree of good and evil? Why even give their already slave a chance of disobedience and be set free?
Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,16:24) Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 06 2008,15:56) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,15:48) Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 06 2008,15:42) The most high didn't punish man. You could say he let the bad angels punish us but he was on the scene immeaditely to provide truth and knowledge. He wouldn't let men be stupid slaves to his rebellious sons.
But we were created with both light and darkness. He is giving us an option to choose light. he is giving us wisdom to know the difference and to be set free.
Why did the Most High allow the bad angels to punish Adam and Eve because they did as the Most High Said?Who is the GOD here the bad angels?
Adam and Eve chose the Light of the Most High. But then the Most High Allowed satan(s) to punish Adam and Eve for obeying Him.
IS THIS RIGHT?
Because flesh and blood cannot become sons of God. They must die and shed their mortal coils to be reunited with the Most High God who is spirit.God set them free but they still had to die. The Most High wants all the fallen souls to have a chance to return to the light.
Here is his reason:
The Parable of the Weeds
24Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.
27″The owner's servants came to him and said, 'Sir, didn't you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?'28″ 'An enemy did this,' he replied.
“The servants asked him, 'Do you want us to go and pull them up?'29″ 'No,' he answered, 'because while you are pulling the weeds, you may root up the wheat with them. 30Let both grow together until the harvest.
OK so the tree of good and evil is knowledge of the Most High God and gives us a choice rather than be a slave.How is it that Jehovah Stopped Adam and Eve from taking from the tree of life.
Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
Jehovah (bad angel) created the tree of Life, and good and evil? Why would the bad guy create a tree of life and a tree of good and evil? Why even give their already slave a chance of disobedience and be set free?
The trees aren't literal. They are allegory.The tree of Knowledge is knowledge of the Truth.
The tree of life is life as spirit and not life as flesh.
The Garden of Eden is a part of “paradise” a spirit realm.
Adam and Eve are cast down into the fleshy world created by elohim.
The Cherubs guarding the way to paradise got blasted out of the way by Christ who blew the hinges off the doors of hades.
Christ has set the captives free.
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 06 2008,15:51) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,15:37) Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 06 2008,15:11) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,15:03) Num 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died. HOLY SPIRIT? The serpents were killing people.
Num 21:7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people.
Num 21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
Num 21:9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
If they looked at the serpent on the pole they knew that they would be healed because God Said so. A simple sign of faith just as the ark. God had beaten the serpent and punished the serpent. HE RULED THE SERPENT! Not the other way around!
You cant see the forest because of the trees.Jehovah sent the serpents in the first place. Jehovah was up to his normal psychotic episodes of cruelty.
I am talking about the symbology of the serpent as being the embodiment of wisdom and prefiguring Christ.
NO! The serpent is the holy spirit? The serpent represents the holy spirit just as the dove, right? But NOW the serpent is sent by Jehovah the bad angel? So which is it?The serpent in Genesis is the holy spirit but the serpent in Numbers
is sent by the bad angels.What trees!
Jehovah used serpents to punish disobedient men in the desert.Maybe this was his way of spitefully recalling the garden event. full of biterness he attacked his servents with serpents. Daring them to disobey him again like adam and eve did once before.
I am not saying that literally the serpent on the staff was intended to represent christ. I am just referencing the symbolic use of serpents as wisdom and healing. Even today the healing symbol is a serpent (see these symbols at hospitals).
Jehovah often acts insane. For example:
Exodus 4:24
24 And it came to pass on the way at the lodging-place, that Jehovah met him, and sought to kill him.
Random acts of violence? If Jehovah is all knowing why would he seek to kill and fail? Why would he seek to kill though knowing the future not realizing he would change his mind? Why in the heck would the God of Love kill him anyway?
The following is from the book Jehovah Unmasked by Nathaniel Merrit.
All of us grew up watching and enjoying the antics of
Donald Duck. We laughed as he slowly but surely lost
control of a situation, and then finally, in an impotent
rage, threw a temper tantrum. Sometimes, it was his
nephews Huey, Dewey, and Louie who drove poor
Donald to the brink and beyond. We can all relate to
Donald because often we too are faced with a situation
that is beyond our control no matter what we do. After
all, we are finite beings. However, when Donald Duck
finally came to the end of his rope and threw a
destructive temper tantrum, he displayed three important
traits:1. He is impotent in the face of great difficulty.
2. He utterly lacks self-control.
3. He can be manipulated by others and by
circumstance.When Huey, Dewey, and Louie continued to disobey
Donald despite all his warnings, all he could really do in
the end was throw a fit and destroy things in his
impotent rage. In this, Huey, Dewey, and Louie
demonstrated their control over their Uncle Donald.
They could push his buttons until he could no longer
respond to the situation in a rational or constructive
manner, and he was finally overcome by his mindless
rage. Donald had been successfully manipulated and
shown to be impotent. For one is truly impotent when
one can no longer respond to a situation constructively
or maintain composure and self-control, and can only
rage and destroy. As humans, we can relate to this. It
reminds us of our own finiteness, and our own foibles.
However, when we read about this same behavior being
displayed by the supposedly omnipotent and omniscient
god Jehovah in the pages of the Bible, it should give us
instant pause for thoughtful analysis of Jehovah.
Humans push Jehovah, over and over again, beyond his
ability to respond to a situation in a constructive,
rational, or self-controlled manner.
Just as Donald Duck throws impotent destructive
rages because he can no longer respond constructively or
rationally, so does Jehovah. In the pages of the Bible,
humans disobey this supposedly omniscient and
omnicompetent god over and over, until he finally
throws a destructive temper tantrum. He kills everyone
on earth with a flood, sparing only a handful. He sends not
obey him. Jehovah kills all the firstborn sons of the
Egyptians. Jehovah commands the Israelites to slaughter
millions of men, women, the elderly, children, infants,
babies, and even rip unborn babies out of their mother’s
wombs. In his impotent wrath, Jehovah again and again
destroys vast multitudes of the Israelites, his own
“chosen people,” because he can no longer find a way to
respond in a meaningful, constructive, self-controlled
manner to their disobedience, despite his supposedly
omniscient, omnipotent, and omnicompetent nature.
The Final Solution for Jehovah is always impotent
destructive rage and murder
We can laugh at Donald Duck's behavior because we
see our human finiteness and foibles portrayed onscreen.
Yet, when we find such behavior attributed to a
supposedly omniscient, omnipotent, and omnicompetent
Jehovah, we should be horrified and
repulsed. Why? The real God is beyond our flesh in
intelligence, power, and wisdom. That God is not
subject to our human finiteness and foibles, being
superior to our flesh, not inferior as Jehovah is. The
True God is always able to find a meaningful,
constructive way to respond to any situation. The True
God could never be manipulated and controlled by finite
creatures as Jehovah is.
“Huey, Dewey, and Louie” (the human race) would
never be able to exhaust the True God's mental and
emotional resources and push it over the brink into
impotent, murderous rage.
As we have seen over and over, “Jehovah” is none
other than Satan the Devil. Those who worship that god,
“The God of this Age,” and fill their mind with tales of
its impotent rage, begin to display such behavior
themselves. Again I point the reader to the Christian
Right, as well as Christian history, for confirmation of
my claim. It is only logical that we would become like
that which we worship, that which we give the highest
place in our minds and hearts. Those who worship
Jehovah/Satan pose a continuous real threat to the lives
of each other and to those of us who do not worship
their nasty god. Christian and Jewish history (and today's
news.) are overflowing with examples of the savagery of
those who have filled their minds and hearts with the
Jehovah/Satan fiend.
Most of this post is copied straight out of the book “Jehovah Unmasked” by Nathaniel J. Merritt. Son of Light, if possible, try to use your own ideas, if you can't manage that put the ideas of others in your own words, and if you don't think you can do that either REFERENCE YOUR SOURCES.Quote
The tree of Knowledge is knowledge of the Truth.The tree of life is life as spirit and not life as flesh.
The Garden of Eden is a part of “paradise” a spirit realm.
Adam and Eve are cast down into the fleshy world created by elohim.
So Adam and Eve were in paradise Before they ate of the tree of knowledge of the Most high?
Then AFTER they ate of the tree they were cast down to “fleshly World”?
Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,16:47) Quote
The tree of Knowledge is knowledge of the Truth.The tree of life is life as spirit and not life as flesh.
The Garden of Eden is a part of “paradise” a spirit realm.
Adam and Eve are cast down into the fleshy world created by elohim.
So Adam and Eve were in paradise Before they ate of the tree of knowledge of the Most high?
Then AFTER they ate of the tree they were cast down to “fleshly World”?
To be clear the whole story is allegorical. How literal you take it is up to you.But, yes they had access to the spirit realm in some capacity.
Not necessarily was the garden actually paradise but it was at the very least a doorway to the spirit world.
The fall is a story of mans fall into flesh from spirit and his entraptment by principalities and powers who formed matter.
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 06 2008,16:45) for crying out loud I did reference him. It's even referenced in your quote.
Yeah okay. My mistake, I'm used to seeing the reference at the end of the quote and thats' where I was looking for it. I apologise unreservedly.Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 06 2008,16:50) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,16:47) Quote
The tree of Knowledge is knowledge of the Truth.The tree of life is life as spirit and not life as flesh.
The Garden of Eden is a part of “paradise” a spirit realm.
Adam and Eve are cast down into the fleshy world created by elohim.
So Adam and Eve were in paradise Before they ate of the tree of knowledge of the Most high?
Then AFTER they ate of the tree they were cast down to “fleshly World”?
To be clear the whole story is allegorical. How literal you take it is up to you.But, yes they had access to the spirit realm in some capacity.
Not necessarily was the garden actually paradise but it was at the very least a doorway to the spirit world.
The fall is a story of mans fall into flesh from spirit and his entraptment by principalities and powers who formed matter.
How do you know its allegorical? There is nothing in the text to suggest this.
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