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Quote (IM4Truth @ Jan. 06 2008,12:37) SL Then what is the right Bible or commandments according to you? Are you going to answer my qwuestion? All you are doing is explaining our Bible, but not where you get yours.
So the Jewish People are wrong too, and all that belief in God?
No answeres yet.
There is not a right bible.The letter kills but the spirit gives life.
We have one commandment. LOVE.
The rest are of angels or men.
Jesus taught about the True Most High, the God of Love and the God of Light.
Jehovah is the one who calls us unclean filthy sinners.
The Most High calls us his children who have been led astray, who are kidnapped by principalities and powers and he wants us to be set free and return to Him.
Ken I thought that Stu was bad, it is getting very interesting, Satan is so busy. What I like to know how He got editing rights to fast.
Peace and Love Mrs.
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 06 2008,12:10) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,11:43) Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 06 2008,06:07) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,03:29) Quote Because Jehovah is not the most High but an angel who gave the Law. Jews made their tribal deity, Jehovah, the Most High and usurped the throne of the TRUE God. Many Jews rejected this and isolated themselves in splinter communities while the “orthodox” scribed their scriptures. SOL I asked this question perhaps you missed it OR perhaps I missed your answer. If that be the case I apologize.
Which of the Ten Commandments are bad or wrong?
Well first of all which version of the ten commandments are we discussing?http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_10c4.htm
Exodus 20 version:
This is the most commonly used set of Commandments. In the King James' Version. Conservative Jews and Christians generally believe that the text was written by God on stone tablets and given to Moses during the Exodus, circa 1450 BCE. Liberals typically follow the Documentary Hypothesis, and attribute the writing to an anonymous author generally referred to as “E” who lived sometime between 922 and 722 BCE. More details.The text reads:
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.Exodus 34 version:
Religious conservatives generally accept the Bible as inerrant and believe that Yahweh dictated this version to Moses who wrote it down in brush and ink circa 1450 BCE. Liberals generally accept that this version was written by an anonymous author generally referred to as “J” sometime between 848 and 722 BCE.The text reads:
12 Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee:
13 But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves:
14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
15 Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;
16 And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods.
17 Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
18 The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt.
19 All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male.
20 But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.
21 Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.
22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.
23 Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the Lord GOD, the God of Israel.
24 For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt go up to appear before the LORD thy God thrice in the year.
25 Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.
26 The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.Deuteronomy 5 version
Religious conservatives generally regard this version as having been written on tablets by God as in the Exodus 20 version circa 1450 BCE. Religious liberals generally regard this as having been written by an anonymous author called “D” circa 622 BCE during the time of the exile to Babylon..The text reads:
6 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
15
And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
16 Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
17 Thou shalt not kill.
18 Neither shalt thou commit adultery.
19 Neither shalt thou steal.
20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.
21 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.Secondly, The Ten Commandments themselves aren’t even all they’re cracked up to be. In the modern form, they are little more than a Disney-fied version of the original Scriptures, which are far more complicated and obscure in their presentation. The first set of commandments, handed down to Moses on stone tablets, are not even called the Ten Commandments anywhere in the text. In fact, the number of actual commands are so ambiguous that different Scriptural faiths divide them up differently: there seem to be thirteen distinct statements made at least. This makes the common call to post “the” Ten Commandments on public school walls problematic even amongst believers: Protestants, Catholics, and Jews all have their own versions. Any version you pick is going to be a sectarian selection right off the bat.
Then of course there is the problem that these commandments are really only the first of a very many laws and commands, at fact which is often simply avoided, usually because many are barbaric and generally folks don’t want to follow them anyway. Also avoided is the fact that the text very explicitly describes the decidedly unlovely punishments for breaking the original commandments. In nearly every case, it’s death.
Christian theologians, when forced to actually confront these passages, often squirm and complain that Christ re-wrote the law, that it no longer applies, only ever applied to Israelites, and so on (and yes, these are, amazingly, the very same people who try to insist that only by light of their ideology can morality be absolute). I have a hard time understanding how that makes someone who was murdered for cleaning out his garage on the Sabbath any less dead, and any less unjustly dead. The same God, supposedly, ordered these punishments to be carried out, and we have every reason to believe that they were carried out on many poor souls. There is no “out” from that, no moral excuse. The fact that the penalty was magically lifted at some arbitrary date around the time of Christ makes it more absurd and morally offensive, not less.
But if that wasn’t bad enough, it turns out that there are some things in Scripture that are explicitly called the “Ten commandments.” This second list, however, given to Moses after he broke the first, supposedly replace or reproduce the first set… but don’t. And this list is treated as even more important than the first, since it is the basis of God’s Covenant, and includes several new and decidedly batty things like “All the first-born are mine” that concern exactly how God is to be worshiped.
Oh yes, “All the first-born are mine.” (the plain translation is actually more graphic, specifying the first-born as those things which “openeth the matrix.” Ew.)
Imagine if that hung on a public school wall!
On second thought, that’s awesome. Let’s post the real Ten Commandments! Public school kids should totally be regularly informed that the creator of the entire universe desires, perhaps more than anything else, fresh fruit.Exodus 34:26
26The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God.http://badidea.wordpress.com/2007….nything
Galatians 3:10-13 — For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree.
1 John 2:3-5 – And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
Is John here talking about Jehovahs Law? John's God is the God of Love.
1 John 4:8
8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.No he is talking about the Law of the Most High as revealed by Christ.
Matthew 5
38″You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Be honest, in a nut shell Jesus just basically said. Jehovah the one seen face to face by Moses said something that I disagree with so instead follow what I say and serve the true Most High God who is Love.
So SOL which is the WORD of God?The first and third set seem to agree.
So lets get down to just answering the question without the history lesson.
Morning Star really got into the book of Enoch and it seems “other writings”. What a confusion you are in. Now you have three bibles to contend with.
Hum so the commandments John speaks of are not the Commandments written in stone?
When scripture states in the same verse “The Commandments of GOD and testimony of Jesus, Rev. 12:17. And the Commandments of GOD and faith in Jesus, Rev 14:12.
What commandments is scripture speaking of?
2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.
What commandments were from the beginning?
Let me ask you then are the Jews the sons of darkness? Paul a son of darkness? But Paul said the “ordinances” the “offerings” were fulfilled in Christ….Nailed to the cross.
Which of the Ten commandments in the KJV are what you consider bad? I suppose you will say that they are not the ten Commandments at all and there are no ten commandments. None written in stone but on paper.
What of the bible is true only what you and Tow believe to be true?
In these Last days all kinds of writings seem to be popping up! Gees Jesus was married to Mary and MARY was the chief apostle! Jesus' bones were discovered!
Now God is a bad angel and Jesus worshiped a different God. Surely Satan knows he has but a short time.
Actually, Nazarene Essene, ebionite and gnostic writings preceed “orthodox” scriptures.It is the orthodoxy that is the late one that popped up.
The chronological evolution of Christianity.
It starts with an Essene sect known as the Nazarenes.
Then John the baptist and his disciples.
Then Jesus the Nazarene and his disciples, his ministry, crucifixion and resurrection.
Then Pharisee converts known as Ebionites.
Then Paul created his own splinter group and combined essene, pharisee and mystery religions. It is the Pauline group who became known as Christians.
Then Gnostic groups emerged in egypt.
Then later over a times span of 300 years Greek
converts combined all 4 groups into one and wrapped them with the neat little bow called platonic philosophy.Scriptures did not determine their dogma. Their dogma determined scripture. They accepted text they liked. They altered text. They forged text. They destroyed text they did not like. They supressed as much as possible the truth about the Jesus movement led by James.
The official orthodoxy was established and the history of it's evolution suppressed.
Says who? The Spirit?1Jo 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Joh 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.
Luk 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
Jam 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
Jam 1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.Eph 4:14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
So which of the TEN COMMANDMENTS OF GOD are bad?
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 06 2008,12:57) You know which are bad and which are good. Open your heart.
You don't need an angel to tell you.
No SOL which of GOD'S Commandments are bad? Which of the shalt nots is bad?Do you find these “other writings” anointed by the Spirit of GOD?
SL You are without Sin? Then the truth is not in you according to John. Jehovah is our God and He is Love and He had so much Love that He send us Jesus to save all mankind. But to throw out all of the scriptures does not make sense. I happen to agree that the Greatest Commandments of all is to Love God with all of your Heart and your Neighbor as thyself. But Jesus did not do away with the rest of the commandment that he gave to Moses on Mount Sinai. He magnified them and made them Spiritual. In spirit and in truth we are to worship God. Is that what you do?
Peace and Love Mrs.
The old Covenant is physical the New Covenant is spiritual.
Pentecost was fulfilled the Spirit of God has been poured out to those who accept His sacrifice.
Quote (IM4Truth @ Jan. 06 2008,13:03) SL You are without Sin? Then the truth is not in you according to John. Jehovah is our God and He is Love and He had so much Love that He send us Jesus to save all mankind. But to throw out all of the scriptures does not make sense. I happen to agree that the Greatest Commandments of all is to Love God with all of your Heart and your Neighbor as thyself. But Jesus did not do away with the rest of the commandment that he gave to Moses on Mount Sinai. He magnified them and made them Spiritual. In spirit and in truth we are to worship God. Is that what you do? Peace and Love Mrs.
Yes Jehovah says we are sinners. Jehovah has been a liar and murderer since the beginning.Remember that Jesus said that Satan is “The Father
of Lies.” (John 8:44) Well, let us look at Genesis in
that light. Let us see who told the Original Lie. If you
read the allegory of the Garden of Eden, the Jehovah
gods tell Adam and Eve not to eat of the tree of the
knowledge of good and evil, because “in that day thou
shalt surely die.” Genesis 2:17. On the other hand, the
Serpent promised them “Ye shall not surely die. For
God (the elohim, the gods) doth know that in the day
ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall
be as gods (the elohim), knowing good and evil.”
Genesis 3:4-5.Adam and Eve weren't even immortal. They were created dying. They were kept from eating from the tree of life so that they WOULD NOT BECOME immortal.
We find out the serpent told the truth in verse 22.
22 And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”
Jehovah was the murderer and liar from the beginning not the serpent.
The serpent is the embodiment of wisdom. The sophia. The holy spirit.
Matthew 10:16
Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil [cunning] than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
When it comes to the wolves be as the serpent [cunning] BUT unlike the serpent be as harmless as a dove.
The meek inherit the earth not the weak.
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 06 2008,12:48) Quote (IM4Truth @ Jan. 06 2008,12:37) SL Then what is the right Bible or commandments according to you? Are you going to answer my qwuestion? All you are doing is explaining our Bible, but not where you get yours.
So the Jewish People are wrong too, and all that belief in God?
No answeres yet.
There is not a right bible.The letter kills but the spirit gives life.
We have one commandment. LOVE.
The rest are of angels or men.
Jesus taught about the True Most High, the God of Love and the God of Light.
Jehovah is the one who calls us unclean filthy sinners.
The Most High calls us his children who have been led astray, who are kidnapped by principalities and powers and he wants us to be set free and return to Him.
The Most High God left NO instructions for His children who He so wants to save?Why did Jesus say He fulfilled the Law of Moses.
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
If the law was of satan then why did Jesus fulfill them?
Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,14:13) Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil [cunning] than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
When it comes to the wolves be as the serpent [cunning] BUT unlike the serpent be as harmless as a dove.
The meek inherit the earth not the weak.
both the dove and serpent are symbolic of wisdom and the holy spirit.Even the serpent prefigured christ by being lifted up on the staff by moses in the desert.
Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,14:18) Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 06 2008,12:48) Quote (IM4Truth @ Jan. 06 2008,12:37) SL Then what is the right Bible or commandments according to you? Are you going to answer my qwuestion? All you are doing is explaining our Bible, but not where you get yours.
So the Jewish People are wrong too, and all that belief in God?
No answeres yet.
There is not a right bible.The letter kills but the spirit gives life.
We have one commandment. LOVE.
The rest are of angels or men.
Jesus taught about the True Most High, the God of Love and the God of Light.
Jehovah is the one who calls us unclean filthy sinners.
The Most High calls us his children who have been led astray, who are kidnapped by principalities and powers and he wants us to be set free and return to Him.
The Most High God left NO instructions for His children who He so wants to save?Why did Jesus say He fulfilled the Law of Moses.
Luk 24:27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
Luk 24:44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
If the law was of satan then why did Jesus fulfill them?
I don't think Jesus fulfilled the Laws of Jehovah.He taught the true Law of Love.
You are quoting passages from a Catholic scripture. I don't think Jesus said or did those things. We have other scriptures outlawed by Catholics that say different things.
Greek Gentile Catholics made Jesus (a nazarene teacher) into the son of Jehovah and tried to make him appear as the messiah of the pharisees.
Jesus was a Nazarene Messiah, an anointed one, a Christ. We can be anointed too, we can become Christs. Christ in you the hope of Glory. Christ formed in us. Christ Likeness. Brothers and Sisters of Christ, sons of God.
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 06 2008,14:19) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,14:13) Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil [cunning] than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
When it comes to the wolves be as the serpent [cunning] BUT unlike the serpent be as harmless as a dove.
The meek inherit the earth not the weak.
both the dove and serpent are symbolic of wisdom and the holy spirit.Even the serpent prefigured christ by being lifted up on the staff by moses in the desert.
Try again IN context of the scripture with wolves. Be cunning as the serpent was BUT harmless as the dove. If the serpent is as the doves why mention the doves?Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
I don't understand SOL. You say that the serpent is the holy spirit.
And that God is a bad angel. But the above scripture says that ACCORDING TO YOU the bad angel punished the “holy spirit”
SERPENT Who is God here?Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,14:32) Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 06 2008,14:19) Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,14:13) Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil [cunning] than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
When it comes to the wolves be as the serpent [cunning] BUT unlike the serpent be as harmless as a dove.
The meek inherit the earth not the weak.
both the dove and serpent are symbolic of wisdom and the holy spirit.Even the serpent prefigured christ by being lifted up on the staff by moses in the desert.
Try again IN context of the scripture with wolves. Be cunning as the serpent was BUT harmless as the dove. If the serpent is as the doves why mention the doves?Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
I don't understand SOL. You say that the serpent is the holy spirit.
And that God is a bad angel. But the above scripture says that ACCORDING TO YOU the bad angel punished the “holy spirit”
SERPENT Who is God here?
first of all it is an allegory.Second of all the holy spirit used a serpent to talk to adam and eve.
the bad angel punished a poor animal not the holy spirit.
sorry, I need to clarify
the dove is symbolic of meekness.
the serpent is symbolic of wisdom.
both are symbols of the holy spirit.
I miss typed before this is what I meant.
To say be wise as a serpent but harmeless as the dove. is because a real serpent is not harmless and a real dove is pretty dumb.
but both are symbols for the holy spirit and being guided by her.
Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 06 2008,14:38) sorry, I need to clarify the dove is symbolic of meekness.
the serpent is symbolic of wisdom.
both are symbols of the holy spirit.
I miss typed before this is what I meant.
To say be wise as a serpent but harmeless as the dove. is because a real serpent is not harmless and a real dove is pretty dumb.
but both are symbols for the holy spirit and being guided by her.
So why did the Most High God “allow” this bad angel to punish Adam and Eve for doing as HE “the MOST HIGH” said?Again! Who is GOD here? It seems that (according to you) the bad angel is in complete control from the beginning. So why did HE punish Adam and Eve for doing as HE said?
Num 21:6 And the LORD sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and much people of Israel died.
HOLY SPIRIT? The serpents were killing people.
Num 21:7 Therefore the people came to Moses, and said, We have sinned, for we have spoken against the LORD, and against thee; pray unto the LORD, that he take away the serpents from us. And Moses prayed for the people.
Num 21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.
Num 21:9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.
If they looked at the serpent on the pole they knew that they would be healed because God Said so. A simple sign of faith just as the ark. God had beaten the serpent and punished the serpent. HE RULED THE SERPENT! Not the other way around!
Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,14:53) Again! Who is GOD here? It seems that (according to you) the bad angel is in complete control from the beginning. So why did HE punish Adam and Eve for doing as HE said?
the creators of this world have been in complete control of their creation.The Most High has sent us a savior and an invitation to be set free from the principalities control.
Jehovah punished them because they disobeyed him. Even though Jehovah was lying.
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