New/Old Testament

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Hi jbl,
The sons of God are equipped with the Spirit of God and thus can and should exhibit the nature of our God as shown by the fruits of Gal 5.

Lk 6
” 27But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

28Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

29And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.

30Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.

31And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

32For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

33And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.

34And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.

35But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

36Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

37Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:”

January 3, 2008 at 6:46 pm#76453

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Hi ,
The same Spirit of God inspired the writings of the NT and OT.
That is why they are interdependant and they beautifully harmonise.
A wise storeman can take good things both old and new from his storehouse.

January 4, 2008 at 8:57 pm#76563

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 04 2008,05:46)

Good answer for Tow

Peace and Love Mrs.

January 4, 2008 at 9:48 pm#76572

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Because Jehovah is not the most High but an angel who gave the Law. Jews made their tribal deity, Jehovah, the Most High and usurped the throne of the TRUE God. Many Jews rejected this and isolated themselves in splinter communities while the “orthodox” scribed their scriptures.

Greek Christians, starting with Paul, combined the Nazarene Essene teachings with Pharisee Judaism, Roman Mystery religions and Platonic philosophy and replaced the original teachings of Yahshua the Nazarene. Most of the New Testament is Pauline and Greek pseudopigrypha forgeries.

Evidence in OT:

Deuteronomy 32

8When the Most High(El) gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind,
he fixed the borders of the peoples
according to the number of the sons of God.
9But the LORD’s (Jehovah) portion is his people,
Jacob his allotted heritage.

Pauline Evidence:

Most bible translations translate Elemental spirits and elemental principles or rudimentary principles, but Paul was saying that. Scholars realize this and have started translating the truth as here in the ESV.

Colossians 2

8See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy andempty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. 9For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, 10and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority. 11In him also you were circumcised with a circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through faith in the powerful working of God, who raised him from the dead. 13And you, who were dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made alive together with him, having forgiven us all our trespasses, 14by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. 15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.

Let No One Disqualify You
16Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. 17These are a shadow of the things to come, butthe substance belongs to Christ. 18Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason by, his sensuous mind, 19and, not, holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God.
20If with Christ, you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— 21, “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” 22(referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? 23These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.

The Worship of Angels. This is not about pagans this is about Jews who have sabbaths and New Moons. The angels, Elemental Spirits who have placed apon us the Law. Why live like we are under their yoke when Jesus set us Free. See what Christ did here in vs. 14

14by canceling the record of debt that stood against us with its legal demands. This he set aside, nailing it to the cross. 15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and put them to open shame, by triumphing over them in him.

He disarmed these angels these elemental spirits and put them to shame through his cross.

The problem is the New Testament has confusing contradictor claims at times. Because it represents the view points of more than one type of early Christianity.

“Being made so much better than the angels, as he has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said he at any time, ‘You are my Son, this day have I begotten you?’ And again, ‘I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son’.”

Hebrews 1:4–5

“But to which of the angels said he at any time, ‘Sit on my right hand, and I will make your enemies your footstool’.”

Hebrews 1:13

“This is he [Moses], that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel [a single angel] which spoke to him [Moses] in the mount Sinai, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us.”

Acts 7:38

January 4, 2008 at 10:07 pm#76574

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Hi SOL,
You are deceived.
Our God introduced Himself as I AM WHO AM.
He is the living God and the source of all life including angels.

January 5, 2008 at 4:29 pm#76627

kenrch

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Because Jehovah is not the most High but an angel who gave the Law. Jews made their tribal deity, Jehovah, the Most High and usurped the throne of the TRUE God. Many Jews rejected this and isolated themselves in splinter communities while the “orthodox” scribed their scriptures.

SOL I asked this question perhaps you missed it OR perhaps I missed your answer. If that be the case I apologize.

Which of the Ten Commandments are bad or wrong?

January 5, 2008 at 7:07 pm#76636

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SOL I asked this question perhaps you missed it OR perhaps I missed your answer. If that be the case I apologize.

Which of the Ten Commandments are bad or wrong?

Well first of all which version of the ten commandments are we discussing?

http://badidea.wordpress.com/2007….nything

Exodus 20 version:
This is the most commonly used set of Commandments. In the King James' Version. Conservative Jews and Christians generally believe that the text was written by God on stone tablets and given to Moses during the Exodus, circa 1450 BCE. Liberals typically follow the Documentary Hypothesis, and attribute the writing to an anonymous author generally referred to as “E” who lived sometime between 922 and 722 BCE. More details.

The text reads:
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Exodus 34 version:
Religious conservatives generally accept the Bible as inerrant and believe that Yahweh dictated this version to Moses who wrote it down in brush and ink circa 1450 BCE. Liberals generally accept that this version was written by an anonymous author generally referred to as “J” sometime between 848 and 722 BCE.

The text reads:
12 Take heed to thyself, lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land whither thou goest, lest it be for a snare in the midst of thee:
13 But ye shall destroy their altars, break their images, and cut down their groves:
14 For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
15 Lest thou make a covenant with the inhabitants of the land, and they go a whoring after their gods, and do sacrifice unto their gods, and one call thee, and thou eat of his sacrifice;
16 And thou take of their daughters unto thy sons, and their daughters go a whoring after their gods, and make thy sons go a whoring after their gods.
17 Thou shalt make thee no molten gods.
18 The feast of unleavened bread shalt thou keep. Seven days thou shalt eat unleavened bread, as I commanded thee, in the time of the month Abib: for in the month Abib thou camest out from Egypt.
19 All that openeth the matrix is mine; and every firstling among thy cattle, whether ox or sheep, that is male.
20 But the firstling of an ass thou shalt redeem with a lamb: and if thou redeem him not, then shalt thou break his neck. All the firstborn of thy sons thou shalt redeem. And none shall appear before me empty.
21 Six days thou shalt work, but on the seventh day thou shalt rest: in earing time and in harvest thou shalt rest.
22 And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the firstfruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end.
23 Thrice in the year shall all your men children appear before the Lord GOD, the God of Israel.
24 For I will cast out the nations before thee, and enlarge thy borders: neither shall any man desire thy land, when thou shalt go up to appear before the LORD thy God thrice in the year.
25 Thou shalt not offer the blood of my sacrifice with leaven; neither shall the sacrifice of the feast of the passover be left unto the morning.
26 The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

Deuteronomy 5 version
Religious conservatives generally regard this version as having been written on tablets by God as in the Exodus 20 version circa 1450 BCE. Religious liberals generally regard this as having been written by an anonymous author called “D” circa 622 BCE during the time of the exile to Babylon..

The text reads:
6 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
16 Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
17 Thou shalt not kill.
18 Neither shalt thou commit adultery.
19 Neither shalt thou steal.
20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.
21 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife
, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Secondly, The Ten Commandments themselves aren’t even all they’re cracked up to be. In the modern form, they are little more than a Disney-fied version of the original Scriptures, which are far more complicated and obscure in their presentation. The first set of commandments, handed down to Moses on stone tablets, are not even called the Ten Commandments anywhere in the text. In fact, the number of actual commands are so ambiguous that different Scriptural faiths divide them up differently: there seem to be thirteen distinct statements made at least. This makes the common call to post “the” Ten Commandments on public school walls problematic even amongst believers: Protestants, Catholics, and Jews all have their own versions. Any version you pick is going to be a sectarian selection right off the bat.
Then of course there is the problem that these commandments are really only the first of a very many laws and commands, at fact which is often simply avoided, usually because many are barbaric and generally folks don’t want to follow them anyway. Also avoided is the fact that the text very explicitly describes the decidedly unlovely punishments for breaking the original commandments. In nearly every case, it’s death.
Christian theologians, when forced to actually confront these passages, often squirm and complain that Christ re-wrote the law, that it no longer applies, only ever applied to Israelites, and so on (and yes, these are, amazingly, the very same people who try to insist that only by light of their ideology can morality be absolute). I have a hard time understanding how that makes someone who was murdered for cleaning out his garage on the Sabbath any less dead, and any less unjustly dead. The same God, supposedly, ordered these punishments to be carried out, and we have every reason to believe that they were carried out on many poor souls. There is no “out” from that, no moral excuse. The fact that the penalty was magically lifted at some arbitrary date around the time of Christ makes it more absurd and morally offensive, not less.
But if that wasn’t bad enough, it turns out that there are some things in Scripture that are explicitly called the “Ten commandments.” This second list, however, given to Moses after he broke the first, supposedly replace or reproduce the first set… but don’t. And this list is treated as even more important than the first, since it is the basis of God’s Covenant, and includes several new and decidedly batty things like “All the first-born are mine” that concern exactly how God is to be worshiped.
Oh yes, “All the first-born are mine.” (the plain translation is actually more graphic, specifying the first-born as those things which “openeth the matrix.” Ew.)
Imagine if that hung on a public school wall!
On second thought, that’s awesome. Let’s post the real Ten Commandments! Public school kids should totally be regularly informed that the creator of the entire universe desires, perhaps more than anything else, fresh fruit.

Exodus 34:26
26The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God.

Galatians 3:10-13 — For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree.

1 John 2:3-5 – And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

Is John here talking about Jehovahs Law? John's God is the God of Love.

1 John 4:8
8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

No he is talking about the Law of the Most High as revealed by Christ.

Matthew 5

38″You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

Be honest, in a nut shell Jesus just basically said. Jehovah the one seen face to face by Moses said something that I disagree with so instead follow what I say and serve the true Most High God who is Love.

January 5, 2008 at 9:13 pm#76651

Participant

Hi SOL,
Jesus was given all authority.
The new covenant was one of love.
The schoolteacher gave way to the truth.

January 5, 2008 at 10:04 pm#76659

Participant

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 06 2008,08:13)

Hi SOL,
Jesus was given all authority.
The new covenant was one of love.
The schoolteacher gave way to the truth.

The schoolteacher wasn't teaching anything but hate then.

January 5, 2008 at 10:10 pm#76661

Participant

Hi SOL,
How God dealt with the chosen people when none deserves anything from Him is of interest but now He has opened a way for all men to be reconciled with Him since our father Adam chose to serve Satan and
no one should be foolish enough to ignore His open hand of friendship.
You must be born again.

January 5, 2008 at 10:21 pm#76662

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Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 06 2008,06:07)

Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,03:29)

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SOL I asked this question perhaps you missed it OR perhaps I missed your answer. If that be the case I apologize.

Which of the Ten Commandments are bad or wrong?

Well first of all which version of the ten commandments are we discussing?

http://badidea.wordpress.com/2007….nything

The text reads:
6 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
16 Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
17 Thou shalt not ki
ll.
18 Neither shalt thou commit adultery.
19 Neither shalt thou steal.
20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.
21 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Exodus 34:26
26The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God.

Is John here talking about Jehovahs Law? John's God is the God of Love.

1 John 4:8
8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

No he is talking about the Law of the Most High as revealed by Christ.

Matthew 5

38″You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

You follow yourself not the Bible, that to me is ignorance showing.
We have prove of the Bible and eye witness that Jesus is our Messiah. That is good enough for me. Besides the Holy Spirit in me testifies of God and Jesus, they life in me. If you would only try to belief and confess that He is the Lord and receive God's Holy Spirit you would begin to understand. Most people today know that the Old King James and the New King James Bible is the closest to the Original Greek and Hebrew transcript. We have both and go by them. The Ten Commandments ad all other commands that Jesus had written are in that Bible. ChecK out my article on the Covenants.

Peace and Love Mrs.

January 5, 2008 at 10:31 pm#76665

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IM4truth,

You say:

Most people today know that the Old King James and the New King James Bible is the closest to the Original Greek and Hebrew transcript.

This alone makes it very hard for me to take anything you say very seriously. No offence, but it is as it is.

January 5, 2008 at 10:40 pm#76667

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Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 06 2008,09:31)

IM4truth,

You say:

Most people today know that the Old King James and the New King James Bible is the closest to the Original Greek and Hebrew transcript.

This alone makes it very hard for me to take anything you say very seriously. No offence, but it is as it is.

That is fine with me, you are not the first that igonred the bible that came on this website, I have ignored that person most of the times. So my friend nothing against your personally, but I am dusting of my shoes. Goodbye.

May God have mercy on your Soul.

Peace abd Love Mrs.

January 5, 2008 at 10:47 pm#76668

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Quote (IM4Truth @ Jan. 06 2008,09:40)

Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 06 2008,09:31)

IM4truth,

You say:

Most people today know that the Old King James and the New King James Bible is the closest to the Original Greek and Hebrew transcript.

This alone makes it very hard for me to take anything you say very seriously. No offence, but it is as it is.

May God have mercy on your Soul.

Peace abd Love Mrs.

I am very familiar with the bible and do not ignore it.

The KJV is NOT the closest to the original greek and hebrew.

You are wiping the dust off of your feet concerning me because of my lack of faith in the bible.

Well, Jesus did not come to preach a book.

I very much accept Jesus.

Are you to dust your feet off concerning those who disagree with you on a book compiled over 400 years after christ?

Not to mention ONE THOUSAND SIX HUNDRED years of difference between Christ and the KJV?

God is Love, I dont have fear of a God like that.

Just as I will not through my daughter in a fire neither will my heavenly Father toss me in one either.

January 5, 2008 at 10:56 pm#76670

Participant

What book do you go by then and were do you get your knowledge from? From tradition? If you believe in Jesus who taught you that He existed?

January 6, 2008 at 12:43 am#76673

kenrch

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Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 06 2008,06:07)

Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,03:29)

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SOL I asked this question perhaps you missed it OR perhaps I missed your answer. If that be the case I apologize.

Which of the Ten Commandments are bad or wrong?

Well first of all which version of the ten commandments are we discussing?

http://badidea.wordpress.com/2007….nything

The text reads:
6 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.
16 Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
17 Thou shalt not kill
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18 Neither shalt thou commit adultery.
19 Neither shalt thou steal.
20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.
21 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Exodus 34:26
26The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God.

Is John here talking about Jehovahs Law? John's God is the God of Love.

1 John 4:8
8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

No he is talking about the Law of the Most High as revealed by Christ.

Matthew 5

38″You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

So SOL which is the WORD of God?

The first and third set seem to agree.

So lets get down to just answering the question without the history lesson.

Morning Star really got into the book of Enoch and it seems “other writings”. What a confusion you are in. Now you have three bibles to contend with.

Hum so the commandments John speaks of are not the Commandments written in stone?

When scripture states in the same verse “The Commandments of GOD and testimony of Jesus, Rev. 12:17. And the Commandments of GOD and faith in Jesus, Rev 14:12.

What commandments is scripture speaking of?

2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

What commandments were from the beginning?

Let me ask you then are the Jews the sons of darkness? Paul a son of darkness? But Paul said the “ordinances” the “offerings” were fulfilled in Christ….Nailed to the cross.

Which of the Ten commandments in the KJV are what you consider bad? I suppose you will say that they are not the ten Commandments at all and there are no ten commandments. None written in stone but on paper.

What of the bible is true only what you and Tow believe to be true?

In these Last days all kinds of writings seem to be popping up! Gees Jesus was married to Mary and MARY was the chief apostle! Jesus' bones were discovered!

Now God is a bad angel and Jesus worshiped a different God. Surely Satan knows he has but a short time.

January 6, 2008 at 1:10 am#76674

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Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,11:43)

Quote (Son of Light @ Jan. 06 2008,06:07)

Quote (kenrch @ Jan. 06 2008,03:29)

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SOL I asked this question perhaps you missed it OR perhaps I missed your answer. If that be the case I apologize.

Which of the Ten Commandments are bad or wrong?

Well first of all which version of the ten commandments are we discussing?

http://badidea.wordpress.com/2007….nything

The text reads:
6 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
7 Thou shalt have none other gods before me.
8 Thou shalt not make thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the waters beneath the earth:
9 Thou shalt not bow down thyself unto them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
10 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.
11 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain: for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
12 Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee.
13 Six days thou shalt labour, and do all thy work:
14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.
15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.16 Honour thy father and thy mother, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee; that thy days may be prolonged, and that it may go well with thee, in the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
17 Thou shalt not kill.
18 Neither shalt thou commit adultery.
19 Neither shalt thou steal.
20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour.
21 Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbour's wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbour's house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Exodus 34:26
26The first of the firstfruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God.

Is John here talking about Jehovahs Law? John's God is the God of Love.

1 John 4:8
8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

No he is talking about the Law of the Most High as revealed by Christ.

Matthew 5

38″You have heard that it was said, 'Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.' 39But I tell you, Do not resist an evil person. If someone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.

So SOL which is the WORD of God?

The first and third set seem to agree.

So lets get down to just answering the question without the history lesson.

Morning Star really got into the book of Enoch and it seems “other writings”. What a confusion you are in. Now you have three bibles to contend with.

Hum so the commandments John speaks of are not the Commandments written in stone?

When scripture states in the same verse “The Commandments of GOD and testimony of Jesus, Rev. 12:17. And the Commandments of GOD and faith in Jesus, Rev 14:12.

What commandments is scripture speaking of?

2Jo 1:6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

What commandments were from the beginning?

Let me ask you then are the Jews the sons of darkness? Paul a son of darkness? But Paul said the “ordinances” the “offerings” were fulfilled in Christ….Nailed to the cross.

What of the bible is true only what you and Tow believe to be true?

In these Last days all kinds of writings seem to be popping up! Gees Jesus was married to Mary and MARY was the chief apostle! Jesus' bones were discovered!

Now God is a bad angel and Jesus worshiped a different God. Surely Satan knows he has but a short time.

Actually, Nazarene Essene, ebionite and gnostic writings preceed “orthodox” scriptures.

It is the orthodoxy that is the late one that popped up.

The chronological evolution of Christianity.

It starts with an Essene sect known as the Nazarenes.

Then John the baptist and his disciples.

Then Jesus the Nazarene and his disciples, his ministry, crucifixion and resurrection.

Then Pharisee converts known as Ebionites.

Then Paul created his own splinter group and combined essene, pharisee and mystery religions. It is the Pauline group who became known as Christians.

Then Gnostic groups emerged in egypt.

Then later over a times span of 300 years Greek converts combined all 4 groups into one and wrapped them with the neat little bow called platonic philosophy.

Scriptures did not determine their dogma. Their dogma determined
scripture. They accepted text they liked. They altered text. They forged text. They destroyed text they did not like. They supressed as much as possible the truth about the Jesus movement led by James.

The official orthodoxy was established and the history of it's evolution suppressed.

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