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Hi TC,
Explained?
No you have no explained anything except to your own satisfaction, neither have you explained how God is with God and yet the two 'gods' are one God.
Trinity is an unstable human construct not taught in scripture yet men who do not fear God bravely propound it.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 03 2009,07:17) Hi TC,
Explained?
No you have no explained anything except to your own satisfaction, neither have you explained how God is with God and yet the two 'gods' are one God.
Trinity is an unstable human construct not taught in scripture yet men who do not fear God bravely propound it.
Nick,
But at least TC explains. When you are asked to explain you don't. You just reply with a question. TC is not the only one here who has pointed this out to you.
thinkerHi TT,
Why do you need men to help you?
We have one who is called teacher-listen to him.
Scripture speaks for itself if men would leave it alone and not add to it.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 02 2009,11:25) Hi TT,
Why do you need men to help you?
We have one who is called teacher-listen to him.
Scripture speaks for itself if men would leave it alone and not add to it.
Nick,No one is adding anything to Scripture here. Trinitarians merely understand Scripture when it says that Christ was exalted to the highest place, the God created men in his image using the plural, that Jesus chose to become a man due to his SOVEREIGN choice, and that Jesus is creator of the earth as it says in Colossians. There is no adding going on in the trinitarian belief.
TC27
Hi TC,
So you think that compounding all the inferences you think you have found is sufficient to justify teaching what Jesus did not teach?Are you greater than him?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 02 2009,12:57) Hi TC,
So you think that compounding all the inferences you think you have found is sufficient to justify teaching what Jesus did not teach?Are you greater than him?
Nick,Do you know that everything you have said are your own inferences? So now making inferences is bad? Then you should stop making them.
So Christ was not exhalted to the highest place?
Christ did not create as it says in Colossians?
God did not say “our” image?I tell you, if you cannot refute these verses then you have no argument.
TC27
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 02 2009,13:46) Hi TC,
Show me where Jesus taught trinity if he is your master.
Nick,Christ said in Revelation that he is the FIRST and the LAST. If that does not teach that Jesus is God then I don't know what does because God is also first and last as it says in Isaiah 48.
TC27
Hi TC,
You are standing on an unstable human foundation called trinity searching for justifying verses.
Try reading what is written and letting it teach you.Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 02 2009,14:43) Hi TC,
First what? Firstborn of the dead?
Last what? The last Adam?
Nick,WOW, you haven't read Isaiah or Revelation have you? The Alpha and the Omega means the first of all things and the last of all things.
TC27
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 02 2009,15:44) Hi TC,
Are you going to apply the meanings for us?
Why not let context tell us?
Nick,What meanings do I need to apply? Alpha and Omega speaks for itself. If Jesus is first and last, he cannot be merely a man as you say.
TC27
Hi TC,
First and last need context for definition.
Applying doctrinal constraints is not wise.Scripture says Jesus is a man in several places[eg Acts 2.22] but you know more?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 02 2009,15:56) Hi TC,
First and last need context for definition.
Applying doctrinal constraints is not wise.Scripture says Jesus is a man in several places[eg Acts 2.22] but you know more?
Nick,Revelation 1: 4-8:
Quote 4John,
To the seven churches in the province of Asia:
Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits[a] before his throne, 5and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.
7Look, he is coming with the clouds,
and every eye will see him,
even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.8″I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”
Here context tells us that the Father is being referred to with the words “Alpha” and “Omega.” However, if you read on, Revelation says this in chapter 1 verses 17 and 18:
Quote 17When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.” This is clearly Jesus saying that he is the first and the last. SO that would imply that he is God because Alpha and Omega means the same thing as first and last.
TC27
Hi TC,
Did you know how many speak in Revelation?
God
Jesus
Angels
Elders
and John.Check Rev 1 for example.
Do you think you can define where every statement there comes from?
IMPLICATIONS are not relevant in the search for truth.
They are all individual presumptions.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 02 2009,16:41) Hi TC,
Did you know how many speak in Revelation?
God
Jesus
Angels
Elders
and John.Check Rev 1 for example.
Do you think you can define where every statement there comes from?
IMPLICATIONS are not relevant in the search for truth.
They are all individual presumptions.
Nick,Simple context explains who is speaking. It isn't that hard.
TC27
Hi TC,
Revelation is another story.
But back to the biblical teacher who taught about trinity? Did you find one?These men spoke the Words of God.
If you cannot is it wise to oppose the teachings of God?
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