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Bod, do you believe that Lazarus was raised from the dead?
He was dead for four days.There was also rumor that He would remain without dyeing until Jesus returned.
'Peter turned and saw following them the disciple whom Jesus loved, who had lain close to his breast at the supper and had said, “Lord, who is it that is going to betray you?”
When Peter saw him, he said to Jesus, “Lord, what about this man?”
Jesus said to him, “If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you? Follow me!”
The saying spread abroad among the brethren that this disciple was not to die; yet Jesus did not say to him that he was not to die, but, “If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you?”This is the disciple who is bearing witness to these things, and who has written these things; and we know that his testimony is true. John 21.
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 28 2012,19:21) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 28 2012,15:38) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 27 2012,14:30) Hi Bod.
If you believe in every word which is written in the Gospels (of John; Matthew; Mark and Luke) then how do you understand this, the words of Jesus…Matthew 26:28 Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.”
And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you;
for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.'
This to me means Jesus was expecting to die this does not mean to me he was actually killed o crucified.
Hi Bod,
But we have four or more written testimonies to the fact in God's word.The most important one is the Gospel of John.
Lazarus wrote the book of John.
Lazarus is an important person.Quote
You see Jesus said also “do not go to the gentiles” can you tell me why he said that at the time?That was 'at that time'. First the Jews had to hear and then it went to the Gentiles, for a reason.
Do you know that reason?
Where did you learn that Lazarus wrote the book of John?My point was Jesus says some things that don't have permanent meaning for instance he said he only came for the “Lost sheep of the House of Israel”
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 28 2012,19:30) Bod, do you believe that Lazarus was raised from the dead?
He was dead for four days.There was also rumor that He would remain without dyeing until Jesus returned.
'Peter turned and saw following them the disciple whom Jesus loved, who had lain close to his breast at the supper and had said, “Lord, who is it that is going to betray you?”
When Peter saw him, he said to Jesus, “Lord, what about this man?”
Jesus said to him, “If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you? Follow me!”
The saying spread abroad among the brethren that this disciple was not to die; yet Jesus did not say to him that he was not to die, but, “If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you?”This is the disciple who is bearing witness to these things, and who has written these things; and we know that his testimony is true. John 21.
Sill not sure why you are placing Lazarus as John or the author of John.Hi Bod,
Lazarus as the author of John: It was shown to me when I read it last. I prayed before reading and then I was shown to stop and reflect on some passages in it and then the mystery began to unfold as I read and then when I got to the last words it all made sense. I went and googled 'Lazarus author of John' and came to a site which furthered my excitement at what I had seen. I will not forget that.
There was a reason why there was a mystery (as to the author).
Here is one of a few places where I was made to pause and reflect as I read (John chapter 11), please read it:
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[1] Now a certain man was ill, Laz'arus of Bethany, the village of Mary and her sister Martha.[2] It was Mary who anointed the Lord with ointment and wiped his feet with her hair, whose brother Laz'arus was ill.
[3] So the sisters sent to him, saying, “Lord, he whom you love is ill.”
[4] But when Jesus heard it he said, “This illness is not unto death; it is for the glory of God, so that the Son of God may be glorified by means of it.”[5] Now Jesus loved Martha and her sister and Laz'arus.
[6] So when he heard that he was ill, he stayed two days longer in the place where he was.
[7] Then after this he said to the disciples, “Let us go into Judea again.”
[8] The disciples said to him, “Rabbi, the Jews were but now seeking to stone you, and are you going there again?”
[9] Jesus answered, “Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any one walks in the day, he does not stumble, because he sees the light of this world.
[10] But if any one walks in the night, he stumbles, because the light is not in him.”
[11] Thus he spoke, and then he said to them, “Our friend Laz'arus has fallen asleep, but I go to awake him out of sleep.”
[12] The disciples said to him, “Lord, if he has fallen asleep, he will recover.”
[13] Now Jesus had spoken of his death, but they thought that he meant taking rest in sleep.
[14] Then Jesus told them plainly, “Laz'arus is dead;
[15] and for your sake I am glad that I was not there, so that you may believe. But let us go to him.”
[16] Thomas, called the Twin, said to his fellow disciples, “Let us also go, that we may die with him.”[17] Now when Jesus came, he found that Laz'arus had already been in the tomb four days.
[18] Bethany was near Jerusalem, about two miles off,
[19] and many of the Jews had come to Martha and Mary to console them concerning their brother.
[20] When Martha heard that Jesus was coming, she went and met him, while Mary sat in the house.
[21] Martha said to Jesus, “Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died.
[22] And even now I know that whatever you ask from God, God will give you.”
[23] Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.”[24] Martha said to him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
[25] Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live,
[26] and whoever lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
[27] She said to him, “Yes, Lord; I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, he who is coming into the world.”
[28] When she had said this, she went and called her sister Mary, saying quietly, “The Teacher is here and is calling for you.”
[29] And when she heard it, she rose quickly and went to him.[30] Now Jesus had not yet come to the village, but was still in the place where Martha had met him.
[31] When the Jews who were with her in the house, consoling her, saw Mary rise quickly and go out, they followed her, supposing that she was going to the tomb to weep there.
[32] Then Mary, when she came where Jesus was and saw him, fell at his feet, saying to him, “Lord, if you had been here, my brother would not have died.”Nor read this carefully to see how much Jesus loved Lazarus: I found it odd that Jesus would weep,etc, when He knew that he would be ressurected:
[33] When Jesus saw her weeping, and the Jews who came with her also weeping, he was deeply moved in spirit and troubled;
[34] and he said, “Where have you laid him?” They said to him, “Lord, come and see.”
[35] Jesus wept.
[36] So the Jews said, “See how he loved him![37] But some of them said, “Could not he who opened the eyes of the blind man have kept this man from dying?”
[38] Then Jesus, deeply moved again, came to the tomb; it was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.[39] Jesus said, “Take away the stone.” Martha, the sister of the dead man, said to him, “Lord, by this time there will be an odor, for he has been dead four days.”
[40] Jesus said to her, “Did I not tell you that if you would believe you would see the glory of God?”
[41] So they took away the stone. And Jesus lifted up his eyes and said, “Father, I thank thee that thou hast heard me.
[42] I knew that thou hearest me always, but I have said this on account of the people standing by, that they may believe that thou didst send me.”[43] When he had said this, he cried with a loud voice, “Laz'arus, come out.”
[44] The dead man came out, his hands and feet bound with bandages, and his face wrapped with a cloth. Jesus said to them, “Unbind him, and let him go.”This was the disciple who Jesus loved.
Now see this at the end of the book:'[20] Peter turned and saw following them the disciple whom Jesus loved (Lazurus), who had lain close to his breast at the supper and had said, “Lord, who is it that is going to betray you?”
[21] When Peter saw him, he said to Jesus, “Lord, what about this man?”
[22] Jesus said to him, “If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you? Follow me!”
[23] The saying spread abroad among the brethren that this disciple was not to die; yet Jesus did not say to him that he was not to die, but, “If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you?”
[24] This is the disciple who is bearing witness to these things, and who has written these things; and we know that his testimony is true.We know that his testimony is true. (And I show you this so that you may believe it!)
Lazarus was also beside Jesus throughout the crucifixion and Lazarus was the first one to get to the empty tomb (Read John 18, 19 and 20).
[25] 'Standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Mag'dalene.
[26] When Jesus saw his mother, and the disciple whom he loved standing near, he said to his mother, “Woman, behold, your son!”
[27] Then he said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” And from that hour the disciple took her to his own home.[28] After this Jesus, knowing that all was now finished, said (to fulfil the scripture), “I thirst.”
[29] A bowl full of vinegar stood there; so they put a sponge full of the vinegar on hyssop and held it to his mouth.
[30] When Jesus had received the vinegar, he said, “It is finished”; and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.[31] Since it was the day of Preparation, in order to prevent the bodies from remaining on the cross on the sabbath (for that sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
[32] So the soldiers came and broke the legs of the first, and of the other who had been crucified with him;
[33] but when they came to Jesus and saw that he was already dead, they did not break his legs.
[34] But one of the soldiers pierced his side with a spear, and at once there came out blood and water.[35] He who saw it has borne witness — his testimony is true, and he knows that he tells the truth — that yo
u also may believe.
[36] For these things took place that the scripture might be fulfilled, “Not a bone of him shall be broken.”
[37] And again another scripture says, “They shall look on him whom they have pierced.”There is much more to this!
This is the site that I read afterward:
And this one:
http://www.voiceofjesus.org/lazarus.htm
And at the top of the site it says:
“I thank thee, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hidden these things from the wise
and understanding and revealed them to babes; yea, Father, for such was thy gracious will”That made me weep!!
Homepage:
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 15 2013,09:36) Hi Bod,
So do you see that with Lazarus?
What's your opinion.
To be honest with you I do see how you could believe that the author of John is Lazarus but what does knowing that change?Still and all if you are correct it is awesome nonetheless
Hi.
So why so much secrecy to who the author was? There must be much more to this (that was the first thing that I thought)… I haven't looked into it further, since….. rumor had it that (Lazarus) might remain until Jesus return. And there's more too…. it seemed to me that Lazarus (this 'mysterious loved other (13th?) Disciple' was possibly beside Jesus from when he was arrested. So, if that is true, how come they never arrested him also… when earlier it said they wanted to arrest him. Was He in a “different” state somehow…. I am only thinking. Mysterious.
As for you as a Muslim, “John's” (Lazarus') testimony would be true, (The Book of John).
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 15 2013,22:45) Hi. So why so much secrecy to who the author was? There must be much more to this (that was the first thing that I thought)… I haven't looked into it further, since….. rumor had it that (Lazarus) might remain until Jesus return. And there's more too…. it seemed to me that Lazarus (this 'mysterious loved other (13th?) Disciple' was possibly beside Jesus from when he was arrested. So, if that is true, how come they never arrested him also… when earlier it said they wanted to arrest him. Was He in a “different” state somehow…. I am only thinking. Mysterious.
As for you as a Muslim, “John's” (Lazarus') testimony would be true, (The Book of John).
The Quran states that Jesus was not killed or Crucified but was raised to God instead. If you believe in mysteries then how does that strike you?BOD,
NO, that does not strike me as part of the mystery because I do believe that Jesus was crucified, and that Jesus was risen from the dead, so that is NOT a mystery to me – nobody “took his place” BOD!Now, if Lazarus is true, and as Lazarus is “the one who Jesus loved the most”, WHY.
That aside, if there are any doubts or contradictions or things like the Qur'an, and other books, if you do believe in Jesus and if you do believe that God sent Him, then the one whos testimony is true should be the one that you believe in.
DO YOU BELIEVE IN ALL OF THE BOOK OF JOHN, BOD?
Quote (2besee @ Jan. 16 2013,19:21) BOD,
NO, that does not strike me as part of the mystery because I do believe that Jesus was crucified, and that Jesus was risen from the dead, so that is NOT a mystery to me – nobody “took his place” BOD!Now, if Lazarus is true, and as Lazarus is “the one who Jesus loved the most”, WHY.
That aside, if there are any doubts or contradictions or things like the Qur'an, and other books, if you do believe in Jesus and if you do believe that God sent Him, then the one whos testimony is true should be the one that you believe in.
DO YOU BELIEVE IN ALL OF THE BOOK OF JOHN, BOD?
You mean the book of Lazarus, right?Quote (2besee @ Jan. 17 2013,19:27) Bod,
Yes.So, your answer is… ?
It's funny, your mystery seems credible but you believe the Quran explanation has to be wrong?Hey Bod.
But …….. Lazarus' testimony is true because He was a witness and He knew Jesus 'very well', they would have been very close(:“Truly, truly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.” (John 5:25)
“He cried with a loud voice, “Laz'arus, come out.” The dead man came out, his hands and feet bound with bandages, and his face wrapped with a cloth” (John 11:43)No wonder He lay at His breast and followed Him where ever He went!
And He testified that Jesus was crucified and dead, but was risen from the dead, as a witness.
You have to believe that all of Lazarus' words are true – do you believe?Quote (2besee @ Jan. 18 2013,07:42) Hey Bod.
But …….. Lazarus' testimony is true because He was a witness and He knew Jesus 'very well', they would have been very close(:“Truly, truly, I say to you, the hour is coming, and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.” (John 5:25)
“He cried with a loud voice, “Laz'arus, come out.” The dead man came out, his hands and feet bound with bandages, and his face wrapped with a cloth” (John 11:43)No wonder He lay at His breast and followed Him where ever He went!
And He testified that Jesus was crucified and dead, but was risen from the dead, as a witness.
You have to believe that all of Lazarus' words are true – do you believe?
The issue is not whether I believe Lazarus at all, how would believing Lazarus 100% of any value when the gospel states it is “according to” Lazarus just like you and m can only believe based upon what he knows or understands.You believing thet John is Lazarus eliminates John based upon you believing that Lazarus and John are the same person just like those that believe that Jesus is God is eliminating God based upon their belief that Jesus is God.
Hi Bod.
I do not believe that John is Lazarus. I believe that John wrote the smaller books of John and also Revelations. This can be seen especially in Revelations where John uses his own name (e.g “I, John…on the Island of Patmos”).
However, the name John as the author is not found in the Gospel of John, instead it is only 'the one who Jesus loved'.
So, if it had been the same John who wrote the smaller books and Revelations, then why all of the secrecy when it is not evident in Revelations, if you follow.Have you been water baptised when you were a Christian Bod?
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