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Quote (2besee @ Nov. 30 2012,18:57) I do see what you are saying. Can you tell me more about this spiritual Jihad? I remember reading about that years ago but I can't remember what exactly, and it is never the same when you read things off websites, it is better to actually ask someone in person (or should say over – over the net!) And thank you. I love you Asana. That warmed my heart:)
Well to demystify it, let's just say spiritual warfare is what refines us, we are free to fail or succeed but the question is what really is the failure or success, our battle is always the same, not to be good or evil but to seek to find out what is good and what is evil and in that quest we make all sorts of judgements based upon what we think the answer to the question is.So when Jesus says “I judge no man” He is placing the judgement solely on the person who judges but keep in mind we were never asked to know what good and evil is we were told to stay away from that but we did not, so the first step the very first step is to return to the garden and reject the tree of good and evil and in doing so reject the idea of becoming like God and instead submit to God and in that submission and adoration we become more Godly
Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 10 2012,19:50) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 02 2012,16:23) Bod, how do you view John 1:1?
Sorry, I didn't see this until now, As I said Jesus was/is a spirit that proceeded from God a Word from God and the word became flesh.The Word is not Jesus the Word is Spirit and that Spirit became Flesh/Jesus.
You see it is the same with all of the creations of God, God said “let there be light and there was light” The light was not God but the Word of God created light and all things including Jesus the fact is Jesus was a direct creation like Adam was l the rest of us were born through reproduction and not direct creation
Hi, thats okay.Is that how Islam views the Logos.
or is that just your personal view?The Holy Spirit is the eternal Spirit which has been with mankind from the beginning of creation, this is the “son” of God. Same spirit; always has been and always will be.
Do you agree with that, and would Islam agree with that?
Scripture says: 'God has revealed to us through the Spirit — For the Spirit searches everything — even the depths of God.
For what person knows a man's thoughts, except the spirit of the man which is in him?
So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God, except the Spirit of God. 'This is the one God with a mind and a Spirit.
Jesus said “No one knows the Son except the Father — and no one knows the Father except the Son — and any one to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.”
This is the Holy Spirit speaking through Jesus.
The “Son” is the Holy Spirit.
Speaking through the Man Jesus the anointed one.
Jesus was not God or a god. But the Holy Spirit which was in him is a part of the one God and also IS God in part. (His “Son”).
Just thinking out loud…!
So what is your view on that.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 22 2012,06:31) Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 22 2012,02:14) Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 21 2012,18:17) Hi Wake Up, Bod said that there is no such thing as the bible “in the Jewish religion”.
I don't think that Bod is Jewish.Tim
timI do not think Bod knows what he really his ,he is not a Muslim or a Christian or a Jew or
???so until he knows he talks in all of them .I guess
You look for a label for your own comfort and to Judge:John 8:15
Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man.So what really am I? I am what I am, a Man.
BodYes you are an man a lost one too, you are trying to please two bosses work for them and obey them but it does not work because the time you work for one you are not working for the other and so you are divided in your heart and spirit if not also in time,
You are more living as a double agent than as a true honest believer in one God ,
Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 10 2012,12:59) Quote (2besee @ Nov. 30 2012,18:57) I do see what you are saying. Can you tell me more about this spiritual Jihad? I remember reading about that years ago but I can't remember what exactly, and it is never the same when you read things off websites, it is better to actually ask someone in person (or should say over – over the net!) And thank you. I love you Asana. That warmed my heart:)
Well to demystify it, let's just say spiritual warfare is what refines us, we are free to fail or succeed but the question is what really is the failure or success, our battle is always the same, not to be good or evil but to seek to find out what is good and what is evil and in that quest we make all sorts of judgements based upon what we think the answer to the question is.So when Jesus says “I judge no man” He is placing the judgement solely on the person who judges but keep in mind we were never asked to know what good and evil is we were told to stay away from that but we did not, so the first step the very first step is to return to the garden and reject the tree of good and evil and in doing so reject the idea of becoming like God and instead submit to God and in that submission and adoration we become more Godly
His that the explanation of what his an jihadQuote (2besee @ Dec. 11 2012,13:02) Scripture says: 'God has revealed to us through the Spirit — For the Spirit searches everything — even the depths of God.
For what person knows a man's thoughts, except the spirit of the man which is in him?
So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God, except the Spirit of God. 'This is the one God with a mind and a Spirit.
Jesus said “No one knows the Son except the Father — and no one knows the Father except the Son — and any one to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.”
This is the Holy Spirit speaking through Jesus.
The “Son” is the Holy Spirit.
Speaking through the Man Jesus the anointed one.
Jesus was not God or a god. But the Holy Spirit which was in him is a part of the one God and also IS God in part. (His “Son”).
Just thinking out loud…!
So what is your view on that.
It is a very valid view because Jesus said his words were not his own but that they were spiritHi Bod. Would a Muslim agree that God was in Jesus (through the Holy Spirit) speaking through him or not?
I assume no.
Hi Bod. Islam and Christianity do not have a lot in common.
If you were an ex-Christian, what was the main issues that you had with Christianity?Quote (2besee @ Dec. 24 2012,21:06) Hi Bod. Would a Muslim agree that God was in Jesus (through the Holy Spirit) speaking through him or not? I assume no.
I would say yes because it is the same as you being able to do a miracle it would be God working through you.Quote (2besee @ Dec. 24 2012,21:08) Hi Bod. Islam and Christianity do not have a lot in common.
If you were an ex-Christian, what was the main issues that you had with Christianity?
I don't consider myself an “Ex-Christian” at all just like in school when I went from middle school to high school I didn't consider myself “ex-middle school”.It's not even a matter of having issues with Christianity which there are an awful lot of varieties of Denominations which believe all sorts of things but I see them as choosing to focus on or understand what makes them comfortable with their religion.
Studying the Quran was a natural progression for me it didn't take away from what I had learned from the Holy Bible it complimented it and cleared up a lot of things as well.
For instance before reading the Quran I did not know that Adam repented and was forgiven
Then learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord Turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #37)From my view this is critical to know because Adam was told “in the day you eat of the tree you will die” So because he doesn't die in the story most Christians like to just say a day to God is lik a thousand years so Adam died in that way but the truth is much more SIMPLE. Adam was disobedient and although the punishment was death God inspired/taught him how to repent and he did and did not die the day he ate the fruit.
This point of view is proven in Jonah because he preached that the town of Nineveh was to be destroyed by a definite time but when they reprented God forgave them.
So God turns away from the evil planned upon you when you turn away from evil
Hi Bod.
I agree that God does forgive and I always thought that Adam was saved anyway without having to read the Quran.Jesus conquered death, because he was the only righteous man in which no sin was found.
Rev 5:1
'And I saw in the right hand of him who was seated on the throne a scroll written within and on the back, sealed with seven seals;
and I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and break its seals?”
And no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or to look into it,
and I wept much that no one was found worthy to open the scroll or to into into it.
Then one of the elders said to me, “Weep not; lo, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.”It also says, 5:9 regarding Him:
'For thou wast slain and by thy blood didst ransom men for God
from every tribe and tongue and people and nation'What do you say about that then?
YOU don't believe that Jesus shed His blood and died do you. You believe that somebody else was in His place.
Oops, I was supposed to change my color down here so that our posts don't get mixed up…I stole your purple
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 25 2012,08:34) YOU don't believe that Jesus shed His blood and died do you. You believe that somebody else was in His place.
What do you mean Jesus shed his blood? Are you asking whether I believe that others shed the blood of Jesus? Jesus didn't shed his own blood did he?I believe that the authorities sought to crucifyJesus not as some sort of sacrifice for others they wanted to KILL him. The Quran says that their plot failed although they thought it was successful.
Sura #3
54 And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.
So I don't speculate was someone else in his place I am just confident that their plan failed and God saved Jesus.
But even in this point If they had killed Jesus you would still agree that God saved Jesus from rotting in the grave, right?
Bod yes. If we can understand that the Word of God is spoken through the Gospels and believe them to be truth then Jesus was killed but then God raised Him from the dead. Do you believe all of the Gospels Bod?
Quote (2besee @ Dec. 27 2012,08:13) Bod yes. If we can understand that the Word of God is spoken through the Gospels and believe them to be truth then Jesus was killed but then God raised Him from the dead. Do you believe all of the Gospels Bod?
Yes, I believe the Gospel and believe that the Gospels were
written “according to”.The Gospel I believe is the Gospel that Jesus taught which is the Gospel of the Kindom of Heaven,
There is another Gospel that is taught and that is the Gospel of Jesus Christ which is what Paul taught to the gentiles.
Keep in mind that the word Gospel only means the good news
so Jesus taught the good news about the kingdom of God long before the cross is even mentioned afetr his being raised up to heaven the Good news about Jesus was preached according to different authors.Hi Bod.
If you believe in every word which is written in the Gospels (of John; Matthew; Mark and Luke) then how do you understand this, the words of Jesus…Matthew 26:28 Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.”
And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you;
for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.'Quote (2besee @ Dec. 27 2012,14:30) Hi Bod.
If you believe in every word which is written in the Gospels (of John; Matthew; Mark and Luke) then how do you understand this, the words of Jesus…Matthew 26:28 Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.”
And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you;
for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.'
This to me means Jesus was expecting to die this does not mean to me he was actually killed o crucified.You see Jesus said also “do not go to the gentiles” can you tell me why he said that at the time?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 28 2012,15:38) Quote (2besee @ Dec. 27 2012,14:30) Hi Bod.
If you believe in every word which is written in the Gospels (of John; Matthew; Mark and Luke) then how do you understand this, the words of Jesus…Matthew 26:28 Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.”
And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you;
for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.'
This to me means Jesus was expecting to die this does not mean to me he was actually killed o crucified.
Hi Bod,
But we have four or more written testimonies to the fact in God's word.The most important one is the Gospel of John.
Lazarus wrote the book of John.
Lazarus is an important person.Quote
You see Jesus said also “do not go to the gentiles” can you tell me why he said that at the time?That was 'at that time'. First the Jews had to hear and then it went to the Gentiles, for a reason.
Do you know that reason?
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