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Quote (Wakeup @ July 03 2013,16:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 03 2013,13:18) Quote (Wakeup @ July 02 2013,20:56) Boditharta. You need to be able to decern the scriptures.
Matt.22:37.
That was God speaking.
When jesus prayed in the garden;that was jesus speaking to his Father.
When Jesus said my God, My God, why have you foraken me.
That was Jesus speaking to his father.wakeup.
My point was Jesus was telling us to WORSHIP GOD and not himself.
Boditharta.All worship God this is true,but God also has given us a way
how to worship him.We can not use our own way.
His Son needs to have glory for his obedience.
And God has also given him all his powers.
You have God;you have Jesus;you have Jesus;you have God.
But the Father is always in charge.wakeup.
You cannot serve 2 Masters.John 4:22
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.We worship THE ONE GOD wo brought the Children of Israe out of Egypt an weput no partners with HIM
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 03 2013,16:33) Quote (Wakeup @ July 03 2013,16:05) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 03 2013,13:18) Quote (Wakeup @ July 02 2013,20:56) Boditharta. You need to be able to decern the scriptures.
Matt.22:37.
That was God speaking.
When jesus prayed in the garden;that was jesus speaking to his Father.
When Jesus said my God, My God, why have you foraken me.
That was Jesus speaking to his father.wakeup.
My point was Jesus was telling us to WORSHIP GOD and not himself.
Boditharta.All worship God this is true,but God also has given us a way
how to worship him.We can not use our own way.
His Son needs to have glory for his obedience.
And God has also given him all his powers.
You have God;you have Jesus;you have Jesus;you have God.
But the Father is always in charge.wakeup.
You cannot serve 2 Masters.John 4:22
Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.We worship THE ONE GOD wo brought the Children of Israe out of Egypt an weput no partners with HIM
Boditharta.True; we all worship the one God,by following his directions.
Not our own way,by disregarding his will.In the end we all will worship God directly.
But this will be after jesus reign of a 1000yrs.
He and his saints, will personally teach the jews and gentiles.
Then Jesus himself will be subject to God.
He will hand over his 1000yr work in the kingdom,to his Father.And God will be all in all,and we can see him face to face.
After the earth itself is cleansed, by melting it.
Then we have a new heaven and a new earth.
For the heavens(solar system) also will be melted,and purified.God himself will come down to the new earth.wakeup.
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 03 2013,15:23) You say “show me how” how woul you show me that the Bible is the word of God?
Hi BD,I can you show you.
“For the prophecy(The Bible) came not in old time by the will of man:
but holy men of God spake (The Word) as they were moved by the HolySpirit.” (2 Peter 1:21)
“The Lord gave THE WORD(The Bible): great was the company of those that published it.” (Psalms 68:11)Ed (witness)
Quote (Ed J @ July 03 2013,22:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 03 2013,15:23) You say “show me how” how woul you show me that the Bible is the word of God?
Hi BD,I can you show you.
“For the prophecy(The Bible) came not in old time by the will of man:
but holy men of God spake (The Word) as they were moved by the HolySpirit.” (2 Peter 1:21)
“The Lord gave THE WORD(The Bible): great was the company of those that published it.” (Psalms 68:11)Ed (witness)
EDI said how can you show me that the bible is the word of God?
I say it is but using scriptures to point out the validity is only effective for those who accept them, this is why you don't accept the Quran.
It doesn't matter what it says in there to you because you are blind to it and your heart is hard to it so now only the will of God can help you see it.
This is why the Jews don't accept the NT.
You have the problem of wanting to teach but unwilling to learn.
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 04 2013,04:28) Quote (Ed J @ July 03 2013,22:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 03 2013,15:23) You say “show me how” how woul you show me that the Bible is the word of God?
Hi BD,I can you show you.
“For the prophecy(The Bible) came not in old time by the will of man:
but holy men of God spake (The Word) as they were moved by the HolySpirit.” (2 Peter 1:21)
“The Lord gave THE WORD(The Bible): great was the company of those that published it.” (Psalms 68:11)Ed (witness)
EDI said how can you show me that the bible is the word of God?
I say it is but using scriptures to point out the validity is only effective for those who accept them, this is why you don't accept the Quran.
It doesn't matter what it says in there…
Hi BD,I know, you don't accept the validity of the scriptures, you only except a 'book of fraud'.
Ed (witness)
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 04 2013,04:28) You have the problem of wanting to teach but unwilling to learn.
Are you looking in the mirror?Quote (Ed J @ July 04 2013,04:38) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 04 2013,04:28) Quote (Ed J @ July 03 2013,22:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 03 2013,15:23) You say “show me how” how woul you show me that the Bible is the word of God?
Hi BD,I can you show you.
“For the prophecy(The Bible) came not in old time by the will of man:
but holy men of God spake (The Word) as they were moved by the HolySpirit.” (2 Peter 1:21)
“The Lord gave THE WORD(The Bible): great was the company of those that published it.” (Psalms 68:11)Ed (witness)
EDI said how can you show me that the bible is the word of God?
I say it is but using scriptures to point out the validity is only effective for those who accept them, this is why you don't accept the Quran.
It doesn't matter what it says in there…
Hi BD,I know, you don't accept the validity of the scriptures, you only except a 'book of fraud'.
Ed (witness)
Sincerely ED,I wasn't taking a shot at you or trying to be mean but it is true. You have never investigated the issues you speak of
it is much like an atheist thatwon't look into the scriptures but callthem a myth or garbage, you think they are being unreasonable but you do the same thing.
To argue the issue with the atheist I have to be willing enough to examine his viewpoint and weigh our arguments objectively. I don't suggest this for eveyone but for those who want to teach they should be able to argue a point based on their merits.
For instance I don't care much for the Book of Mormon for many sound reasons. I don't care much for the book of Urantia because of some very clear and sound reasons
For instance I read in the book of mormon things like
God’s word shall hiss forth generation to generation: Moro. 10:28.
“hiss” you mean like a serpent? get my point?
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 04 2013,08:30) Quote (Ed J @ July 04 2013,04:38) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 04 2013,04:28) Quote (Ed J @ July 03 2013,22:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 03 2013,15:23) You say “show me how” how woul you show me that the Bible is the word of God?
Hi BD,I can you show you.
“For the prophecy(The Bible) came not in old time by the will of man:
but holy men of God spake (The Word) as they were moved by the HolySpirit.” (2 Peter 1:21)
“The Lord gave THE WORD(The Bible): great was the company of those that published it.” (Psalms 68:11)Ed (witness)
EDI said how can you show me that the bible is the word of God?
I say it is but using scriptures to point out the validity is only effective for those who accept them, this is why you don't accept the Quran.
It doesn't matter what it says in there…
Hi BD,I know, you don't accept the validity of the scriptures, you only except a 'book of fraud'.
Ed (witness)
Sincerely ED,I wasn't taking a shot at you or trying to be mean but it is true. You have never investigated the issues you speak of
it is much like an atheist thatwon't look into the scriptures but callthem a myth or garbage, you think they are being unreasonable but you do the same thing.
To argue the issue with the atheist I have to be willing enough to examine his viewpoint and weigh our arguments objectively. I don't suggest this for eveyone but for those who want to teach they should be able to argue a point based on their merits.
For instance I don't care much for the Book of Mormon for many sound reasons. I don't care much for the book of Urantia because of some very clear and sound reasons
For instance I read in the book of mormon things like
God’s word shall hiss forth generation to generation: Moro. 10:28.
“hiss” you mean like a serpent? get my point?
Hi BD,Here is my favorite part in
the quran, the false prophet
Muhammad and his 'moongod'=83: (Lord al-Lah=83)Quote (Quote @ Sura 6 77 (6+77=83)) When he(Muhammad) saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord.”
And yes, I also did read the entire book of Mormon as well. And here is a verse FOR YOU in it BD:
2 Nephi 26:22 And there also shall be secret combinations, even as in times of old,
according to the combinations of the devil, for he is the founder of all these things;
Yea, the founder of murder, and works of darkness; yea, and he leadeth them
by the neck with a flaxen cord, until he bindeth them with his strong cords forever.I stopped reading the quran because it was far too corrupt to attempt to gain anything from it.
But since then, I have learned a lot about what the quran, and what Muhammad taught,
but not that much from you either. You try to conceal all the parts that are false in it.Ed (witness)
Quote (Ed J @ July 04 2013,09:54) [/quote] Quote
Hi BD,Here is my favorite part in
the quran, the false prophet
Muhammad and his 'moongod'=83: (Lord al-Lah=83)Quote,Sura wrote:When he(Muhammad) saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord.”
SURAH 6
74 And [mention, O Muhammad], when Abraham said to his father Azar, “Do you take idols as deities? Indeed, I see you and your people to be in manifest error.”
75 And thus did We show Abraham the realm of the heavens and the earth that he would be among the certain [in faith]
76 So when the night covered him [with darkness], he saw a star. He said, “This is my lord.” But when it set, he said, “I like not those that disappear.”
77 And when he saw the moon rising, he said, “This is my lord.” But when it set, he said, “Unless my Lord guides me, I will surely be among the people gone astray.”
78 And when he saw the sun rising, he said, “This is my lord; this is greater.” But when it set, he said, “O my people, indeed I am free from what you associate with Allah.
79 Indeed, I have turned my face toward He who created the heavens and the earth, inclining toward truth, and I am not of those who associate others with Allah.”Quote And yes, I also did read the entire book of Mormon as well. And here is a verse FOR YOU in it BD:
2 Nephi 26:22 And there also shall be secret combinations, even as in times of old,
according to the combinations of the devil, for he is the founder of all these things;
Yea, the founder of murder, and works of darkness; yea, and he leadeth them
by the neck with a flaxen cord, until he bindeth them with his strong cords forever.Secret combinations? 'moongod'=83, (Lord al-Lah=83),Sura 6 77 (6+77=83) like these given by you ED?
Quote I stopped reading the quran because it was far too corrupt to attempt to gain anything from it.
But since then, I have learned a lot about what the quran, and what Muhammad taught,
but not that much from you either. You try to conceal all the parts that are false in it.It's online at http://www.searchtruth.com you can search any word or phrase justlik http://www.Biblegateway.com
Quote (terraricca @ July 04 2013,08:39) bod so you cannot defend your Koran and your prophet
so you have drop my quote 
Luke 16:31
“He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”Quote (bodhitharta @ July 04 2013,14:14) Quote (Ed J @ July 04 2013,09:54) Quote
Hi BD,Here is my favorite part in
the quran, the false prophet
Muhammad and his 'moongod'=83: (Lord al-Lah=83)Quote (Quote @ Sura 6 77 (6+77=83)) When he(Muhammad) saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord.” SURAH 6
74 And [mention, O Muhammad], when Abraham said to his father Azar, “Do you take idols as deities? Indeed, I see you and your people to be in manifest error.”
75 And thus did We show Abraham the realm of the heavens and the earth that he would be among the certain [in faith]
76 So when the night covered him [with darkness], he saw a star. He said, “This is my lord.” But when it set, he said, “I like not those that disappear.”
77 And when he saw the moon rising, he said, “This is my lord.” But when it set, he said, “Unless my Lord guides me, I will surely be among the people gone astray.”
78 And when he saw the sun rising, he said, “This is my lord; this is greater.” But when it set, he said, “O my people, indeed I am free from what you associate with Allah.
79 Indeed, I have turned my face toward He who created the heavens and the earth, inclining toward truth, and I am not of those who associate others with Allah.”Quote And yes, I also did read the entire book of Mormon as well. And here is a verse FOR YOU in it BD:
2 Nephi 26:22 And there also shall be secret combinations, even as in times of old,
according to the combinations of the devil, for he is the founder of all these things;
Yea, the founder of murder, and works of darkness; yea, and he leadeth them
by the neck with a flaxen cord, until he bindeth them with his strong cords forever.Secret combinations? 'moongod'=83, (Lord al-Lah=83),Sura 6 77 (6+77=83) like these given by you ED?
Quote I stopped reading the quran because it was far too corrupt to attempt to gain anything from it.
But since then, I have learned a lot about what the quran, and what Muhammad taught,
but not that much from you either. You try to conceal all the parts that are false in it.It's online at http://www.searchtruth.com you can search any word or phrase justlik http://www.Biblegateway.com
Hi BD,I already have an on-line Quran site, but thanks for the offer.
I post this for Wakup and Charles who know very little about islam.Ed
Quote (bodhitharta @ July 04 2013,09:18) Quote (terraricca @ July 04 2013,08:39) bod so you cannot defend your Koran and your prophet
so you have drop my quote
Luke 16:31
“He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”
bodthat is a quote from the scriptures ,you do not have to defend the scriptures with me ;I really believe them to be the written word of God the father and God of Christ
it is the Koran that I put in doubt of authenticity of being from the Same God as the scriptures ,and Mohammad being an equal or more than the son of the God of the scriptures ,
so I am waiting
Quote (Ed J @ July 04 2013,15:10) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 04 2013,14:14) Quote (Ed J @ July 04 2013,09:54) Quote
Hi BD,Here is my favorite part in
the quran, the false prophet
Muhammad and his 'moongod'=83: (Lord al-Lah=83)Quote (Quote @ Sura 6 77 (6+77=83)) When he(Muhammad) saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord.” SURAH 6
74 And [mention, O Muhammad], when Abraham said to his father Azar, “Do you take idols as deities? Indeed, I see you and your people to be in manifest error.”
75 And thus did We show Abraham the realm of the heavens and the earth that he would be among the certain [in faith]
76 So when the night covered him [with darkness], he saw a star. He said, “This is my lord.” But when it set, he said, “I like not those that disappear.”
77 And when he saw the moon rising, he said, “This is my lord.” But when it set, he said, “Unless my Lord guides me, I will surely be among the people gone astray.”
78 And when he saw the sun rising, he said, “This is my lord; this is greater.” But when it set, he said, “O my people, indeed I am free from what you associate with Allah.
79 Indeed, I have turned my face toward He who created the heavens and the earth, inclining toward truth, and I am not of those who associate others with Allah.”Quote And yes, I also did read the entire book of Mormon as well. And here is a verse FOR YOU in it BD:
2 Nephi 26:22 And there also shall be secret combinations, even as in times of old,
according to the combinations of the devil, for he is the founder of all these things;
Yea, the founder of murder, and works of darkness; yea, and he leadeth them
by the neck with a flaxen cord, until he bindeth them with his strong cords forever.Secret combinations? 'moongod'=83, (Lord al-Lah=83),Sura 6 77 (6+77=83) like these given by you ED?
Quote I stopped reading the quran because it was far too corrupt to attempt to gain anything from it.
But since then, I have learned a lot about what the quran, and what Muhammad taught,
but not that much from you either. You try to conceal all the parts that are false in it.It's online at http://www.searchtruth.com you can search any word or phrase justlik http://www.Biblegateway.com
Hi BD,I already have an on-line Quran site, but thanks for the offer.
I post this for Wakup and Charles who know very little about islam.Ed
Seriously EDNot trying to be funny but do you have a learning disability? If ALLAH was a MOONGOD I would tell you and it wuld be written in the Quran but the fact is:
Know you not that it is Allah to Whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth? And besides Allah you have neither any Wali (protector or guardian) nor any helper.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #107)
The Originator of the heavens and the earth. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it: “Be!” – and it is.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #117)
Quote (Ed J @ July 04 2013,15:10) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 04 2013,14:14) Quote (Ed J @ July 04 2013,09:54) Quote
Hi BD,Here is my favorite part in
the quran, the false prophet
Muhammad and his 'moongod'=83: (Lord al-Lah=83)Quote (Quote @ Sura 6 77 (6+77=83)) When he(Muhammad) saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: “This is my Lord.” SURAH 6
74 And [mention, O Muhammad], when Abraham said to his father Azar, “Do you take idols as deities? Indeed, I see you and your people to be in manifest error.”
75 And thus did We show Abraham the realm of the heavens and the earth that he would be among the certain [in faith]
76 So when the night covered him [with darkness], he saw a star. He said, “This is my lord.” But when it set, he said, “I like not those that disappear.”
77 And when he saw the moon rising, he said, “This is my lord.” But when it set, he said, “Unless my Lord guides me, I will surely be among the people gone astray.”
78 And when he saw the sun rising, he said, “This is my lord; this is greater.” But when it set, he said, “O my people, indeed I am free from what you associate with Allah.
79 Indeed, I have turned my face toward He who created the heavens and the earth, inclining toward truth, and I am not of those who associate others with Allah.”Quote And yes, I also did read the entire book of Mormon as well. And here is a verse FOR YOU in it BD:
2 Nephi 26:22 And there also shall be secret combinations, even as in times of old,
according to the combinations of the devil, for he is the founder of all these things;
Yea, the founder of murder, and works of darkness; yea, and he leadeth them
by the neck with a flaxen cord, until he bindeth them with his strong cords forever.Secret combinations? 'moongod'=83, (Lord al-Lah=83),Sura 6 77 (6+77=83) like these given by you ED?
Quote I stopped reading the quran because it was far too corrupt to attempt to gain anything from it.
But since then, I have learned a lot about what the quran, and what Muhammad taught,
but not that much from you either. You try to conceal all the parts that are false in it.It's online at http://www.searchtruth.com you can search any word or phrase justlik http://www.Biblegateway.com
Hi BD,I already have an on-line Quran site, but thanks for the offer.
I post this for Wakup and Charles who know very little about islam.Ed
EdJ.I know that;but are we now bombarded with all these religions in this world?
Satan has spend his time to devide;confuse; and to have brother against brother.But then again;it is all in Gods hands,he is pulling the strings,for his purpose. God is holding the axe in his hand.
Now how can we know which is the true religion?
We need to go to follow up its roots and branch.Follow the one branch.From Adam, to Enoch,to Noah;Abraham;isaac;Jacob;Moses;David;
Jesus. Then we study what Jesus teaches.This leads us to the ***Holy bible;The word of God***.
Many read and study the bible but not for the right reasons.
Mainly for self gain,and therefore never coming to the truth.wakeup.
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