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Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,23:39) Hi 2Besee, Scientists surmise that the blood in the fetus comes from the father,
that would mean Jesus had “God Blood” running through his veins.
That would also explain how his shed blood is able to remove sin.Ed
1 Corinthians 15:50
I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishableED how do you suppose a Spirit has blood?
1.John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.regarding Sacrifice
Surah 22
37 It is neither their meat nor their blood that reaches Allah, but it is piety from you that reaches Him. …
Would you say that Jesus was being offered up to God by the people?
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,07:21) Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,23:39) Hi 2Besee, Scientists surmise that the blood in the fetus comes from the father,
that would mean Jesus had “God Blood” running through his veins.
That would also explain how his shed blood is able to remove sin.Ed
1 Corinthians 15:50
I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishableED how do you suppose a Spirit has blood?
1.John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.regarding Sacrifice
Surah 22
37 It is neither their meat nor their blood that reaches Allah, but it is piety from you that reaches Him. …
Would you say that Jesus was being offered up to God by the people?
Boditharta.Because Ed, and others believe that they are in the kingdom of God,and that they are spirit.
And this is what they preach.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,02:45) Quote (2besee @ June 30 2013,00:14) Quote (Wakeup @ June 29 2013,01:56) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 16 2013,19:21) BOD,
NO, that does not strike me as part of the mystery because I do believe that Jesus was crucified, and that Jesus was risen from the dead, so that is NOT a mystery to me – nobody “took his place” BOD!Now, if Lazarus is true, and as Lazarus is “the one who Jesus loved the most”, WHY.
That aside, if there are any doubts or contradictions or things like the Qur'an, and other books, if you do believe in Jesus and if you do believe that God sent Him, then the one whos testimony is true should be the one that you believe in.
DO YOU BELIEVE IN ALL OF THE BOOK OF JOHN, BOD?
2Besee.Lazarus was not one of the twelve apostles.
He was the brother of Martha,and Mary.The apostle that jesus loved was the youngest,he is John.
He is the last of the apostles to survive up to the revelation.Lazarus was not resurrected from the dead;but revived from death to life.
Jesus was the *first* to be resurrected in spirit.
*No one* can be before him.Col.1:18. And he he is the head of the body,the church:
Who is the beginning,the first *BORN* from the dead:
That in all things he might have the *PREEMINENCE*.wakeup.
Says Wakeup!
2Besee.Do you really believe that jesus was second to be resurrected? Y/N.
You are denying plain scripture again,for what reason?
Because it is I that pointed it out to you?
I will put a protest, and shout this is a discrimination.
No,I dont care.wakup.
Wakeup, I will break it up:Quote 2Besee. Lazarus was not one of the twelve apostles. He was the brother of Martha,and Mary.
Agree.
Quote The apostle that jesus loved was the youngest,he is John. He is the last of the apostles to survive up to the revelation. Jesus loved all of the Apostles, but this is the one whom he loved “the most” meaning that this particular person was unique and special in some way.
That was Lazarus.Quote Lazarus was not resurrected from the dead;but revived from death to life. Lazarus was not resurrected from the dead?
Lazarus was dead four days!Quote Jesus was the *first* to be resurrected in spirit. Flesh and bone too.
Quote *No one* can be before him. Col.1:18. And he he is the head of the body,the church: Who is the beginning,the first *BORN* from the dead: That in all things he might have the *PREEMINENCE*.
wakeup.
Yes, I agree,
But, Jesus was begotten from the dead..he ascended to heaven, and he sat at God's right hand.
Lazarus was raised from the dead,
and of Lazarus (Yes, Lazarus).. Jesus said:“If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you? Follow me!”
So the saying spread abroad among the brothers that this disciple was not to die; yet Jesus did not say to him that he was not to die, but, “If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you?”
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,09:12) Quote (2besee @ June 30 2013,00:11) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 29 2013,15:01) Quote (2besee @ June 28 2013,21:52) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 28 2013,16:59) Quote (2besee @ June 27 2013,17:16) Bod,
Well that's good that you are baptized.How many years have you been a Muslim?
It's been about 8.5 years now. Although I consider myself a person of progressive revelation.I call myself Muslim because of the actual meaning i.e. “Submission to God”
Therefore at times I have even called myself a Christian Muslim meaning a Follower of Christ in Submission to God.
I definitely believe that Jesus was willing to die and was betrayed by Judas and asked God Almighty to Save him and God answered his prayer and was saved
Hebrews 5:6-8
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec. 7 Who in the days of his flesh, when he had offered up prayers and supplications with strong crying and tears unto him that was able to save him from death, and was heard in that he feared; 8 though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;
Bod,
Jesus WAS saved from death. He was raised from the dead into eternal life!
I believe the same thing, you just believe he was killed/crucified.You call being saved from death being risen but how is that being saved from death? if You died.
Bod,John 11.
23 Jesus said to her, “Your brother will rise again.” 24 Martha said to him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection on the last day.” 25 Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in me, though he die, yet shall he live, 26 and everyone who lives and believes in me shall never die. Do you believe this?” 27 She said to him, “Yes, Lord; I believe that you are the Christ, the Son of God, who is coming into the world.”
I watched a documentary once about some Christian group, Eastern Orthodox I think, and whenever one of them dies, they celebrate, because they are going to Heaven,
They should celebrate
Yes, WE believe in the resurrection on th last day and we alo believe:
And call not those who are slain in the way of Allah “dead.” Nay, they are living, only ye perceive not.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #154)
Bod,
Yes, we agree.Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,07:21) Quote (Ed J @ June 28 2013,23:39) Hi 2Besee, Scientists surmise that the blood in the fetus comes from the father,
that would mean Jesus had “God Blood” running through his veins.
That would also explain how his shed blood is able to remove sin.Ed
1 Corinthians 15:50
I declare to you, brothers and sisters, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishableED how do you suppose a Spirit has blood?
1.John 4:24
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.regarding Sacrifice
Surah 22
37 It is neither their meat nor their blood that reaches Allah, but it is piety from you that reaches Him. …
Would you say that Jesus was being offered up to God by the people?
Hi BD,It's a spiritual kingdom – our spirit enters the “Kingdom of God” not our flesh.
“The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom
of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.” (Luke 16:16)Ed
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,07:21) Would you say that Jesus was being offered up to God by the people?
Hi BD,The people didn't know what they were doing.
“Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.” (Luke 23:34)
Ed
Quote (2besee @ June 30 2013,11:42) Quote (Wakeup @ June 30 2013,02:45) Quote (2besee @ June 30 2013,00:14) Quote (Wakeup @ June 29 2013,01:56) Quote (2besee @ Jan. 16 2013,19:21) BOD,
NO, that does not strike me as part of the mystery because I do believe that Jesus was crucified, and that Jesus was risen from the dead, so that is NOT a mystery to me – nobody “took his place” BOD!Now, if Lazarus is true, and as Lazarus is “the one who Jesus loved the most”, WHY.
That aside, if there are any doubts or contradictions or things like the Qur'an, and other books, if you do believe in Jesus and if you do believe that God sent Him, then the one whos testimony is true should be the one that you believe in.
DO YOU BELIEVE IN ALL OF THE BOOK OF JOHN, BOD?
2Besee.Lazarus was not one of the twelve apostles.
He was the brother of Martha,and Mary.The apostle that jesus loved was the youngest,he is John.
He is the last of the apostles to survive up to the revelation.Lazarus was not resurrected from the dead;but revived from death to life.
Jesus was the *first* to be resurrected in spirit.
*No one* can be before him.Col.1:18. And he he is the head of the body,the church:
Who is the beginning,the first *BORN* from the dead:
That in all things he might have the *PREEMINENCE*.wakeup.
Says Wakeup!
2Besee.Do you really believe that jesus was second to be resurrected? Y/N.
You are denying plain scripture again,for what reason?
Because it is I that pointed it out to you?
I will put a protest, and shout this is a discrimination.
No,I dont care.wakup.
Wakeup, I will break it up:Quote 2Besee. Lazarus was not one of the twelve apostles. He was the brother of Martha,and Mary.
Agree.
Quote The apostle that jesus loved was the youngest,he is John. He is the last of the apostles to survive up to the revelation. Jesus loved all of the Apostles, but this is the one whom he loved “the most” meaning that this particular person was unique and special in some way.
That was Lazarus.Quote Lazarus was not resurrected from the dead;but revived from death to life. Lazarus was not resurrected from the dead?
Lazarus was dead four days!Quote Jesus was the *first* to be resurrected in spirit. Flesh and bone too.
Quote *No one* can be before him. Col.1:18. And he he is the head of the body,the church: Who is the beginning,the first *BORN* from the dead: That in all things he might have the *PREEMINENCE*.
wakeup.
Yes, I agree,
But, Jesus was begotten from the dead..he ascended to heaven, and he sat at God's right hand.
Lazarus was raised from the dead,
and of Lazarus (Yes, Lazarus).. Jesus said:“If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you? Follow me!”
So the saying spread abroad among the brothers that this disciple was not to die; yet Jesus did not say to him that he was not to die, but, “If it is my will that he remain until I come, what is that to you?”
2Besee.So you agree that lazarus was not resurrected in spirit;but revived from the dead?
Because Jesus is the first?wakeup.
Wakeup,
Lazarus was risen from the dead.
Jesus was risen from the dead (in flesh and bone), then he ascended to heaven, so he is the first.I have more study to do regarding Lazarus.
Quote (2besee @ June 30 2013,21:32) Wakeup,
Lazarus was risen from the dead.
Jesus was risen from the dead (in flesh and bone), then he ascended to heaven, so he is the first.I have more study to do regarding Lazarus.
It is funny that you need to make Jesus first in everything, however Elijah ascended to heaven long before Jesus, right?Elijah also raised th dead before Jesus, right?
he wasn't the first to heal someone or do a Miracle in the flesh, right?
You don't need to put Jesus first to make him great.
Quote (2besee @ June 30 2013,21:32) Wakeup,
Lazarus was risen from the dead.
Jesus was risen from the dead (in flesh and bone), then he ascended to heaven, so he is the first.I have more study to do regarding Lazarus.
Also whn Jesus”Rose” he certainly had blood also just like Lazarus if he didn't he didn't rise from the dead. Because the life is in the bloodQuote (bodhitharta @ June 30 2013,23:21) Quote (2besee @ June 30 2013,21:32) Wakeup,
Lazarus was risen from the dead.
Jesus was risen from the dead (in flesh and bone), then he ascended to heaven, so he is the first.I have more study to do regarding Lazarus.
It is funny that you need to make Jesus first in everything, however Elijah ascended to heaven long before Jesus, right?Elijah also raised th dead before Jesus, right?
he wasn't the first to heal someone or do a Miracle in the flesh, right?
You don't need to put Jesus first to make him great.
Boditharta.The scriptures says in Col.1:18. he is the preeminance of all things. You can reject this: might as well.
1.Jesus is the one who created Adam and Eve.
2.Jesus is the one that designed the human body, and put all the anti bodies in us; to get healed.
It is the body itself that heals.(Gods wisdom).3.Jesus was the Word,in the beginning.
4.Elijah was not resurrected; and Jesus was in heaven before Elijah was taken up .Elijah was not nescessary taken up to the highest heaven; could be the 3rd heaven.5.Elijah did not resurrect the child;but revived him.
The child lived with his mother after he was revived.6.No one can make Jesus great;for he is great.
You compared him to Mohamad;and yet called him the messiah,but then say, no he is just a prophet.
Can you not see the contradictions.
Are prophets also messiahs?wakeup.
Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,02:45) Hi Wakeup, BD does not know what “Messiah” means.
Ed J
EdJ.Bd doent know lots and lots of things.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ July 01 2013,02:41) Quote Boditharta. The scriptures says in Col.1:18. he is the preeminance of all things. You can reject this: might as well.[/B]
First of all preeminant means mainly
having paramount rank, dignity, or importance :It has little to do with being the first at something
[Quote]1.Jesus is the one who created Adam and Eve.
The scripture says
Deuteronomy 4:39
Acknowledge and take to heart this day that the Lord is God in heaven above and on the earth below. There is no other.You misunderstand John 1 Jesus is a WORD from God that was made flesh, just like all of creation that God spoke into existence.
such as:
Isaiah 55:11
so shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.Quote 2.Jesus is the one that designed the human body, and put all the anti bodies in us; to get healed.
It is the body itself that heals.(Gods wisdom).Isaiah 44:24
Thus saith the Lord, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the Lord that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;Do you dispute this?
Quote 3.Jesus was the Word,in the beginning. As I said you misunderstand the context. The Word that became flesh is Jesus. If what you are saying is true then who was Jesus made through since you say all things were made through him?
Quote 4.Elijah was not resurrected; and Jesus was in heaven before Elijah was taken up .Elijah was not nescessary taken up to the highest heaven; could be the 3rd heaven. Elijah Ascended to Heaven in physical form before Jesu had a physical form
Quote 5.Elijah did not resurrect the child;but revived him.
The child lived with his mother after he was revived.Definition of RESURRECT
: to raise from the dead
That is the meaning look it up, the only other type of resurrection is asin the last day when people will be resurrected from scratch which we know Jesus could not have been because even you agree on this:
Acts 2:31
he seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.If his flesh didn't see corruption obviously it would be the same flesh he had in the tomb and not some spirit flesh as you have said. “His flesh did dnot see corruption”
Quote 6.No one can make Jesus great;for he is great. Exactly
Quote You compared him to Mohamad;and yet called him the
messiah,but then say, no he is just a prophet.
Can you not see the contradictions.I did not say he was just a prophet neither does the Quran nor did I compare him to Muhammad.
Surah 2
136 Say: We believe in Allah and (in) that which had been revealed to us, and (in) that which was revealed to Ibrahim and Ismail and Ishaq and Yaqoub and the tribes, and (in) that which was given to Musa and Isa, and (in) that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make any distinction between any of them, and to Him do we submit.
Surah 3
Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;
Luke 1:46-48
Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
46 And Mary said,
My soul doth magnify the Lord,
47 and my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden:
for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.Quote Are prophets also messiahs? No, however there are some Prophets that have been called Saviours or deliverer such as Moses. Jesus was the Messiah promised to the Jews.
1.Nehemiah 9:27
Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies.Luke 2:11
For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.
The fact is ALL salvation comes from THE MOST HIGH and HE annoints those to act on HIS behalf.Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviourIsaiah 45:21
Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the Lord? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,07:10) “O sister of Aaron!” (Sura 019.028) WRONG MARY! Your god 'al-Lah' got it wrong!
Matthew 12:23
And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,07:10) “O sister of Aaron!” (Sura 019.028) WRONG MARY! Your god 'al-Lah' got it wrong!
Oops, I mean 'Muhammad' got it WRONG; as there is no 'al-Lah' god,
only Satan masquerading as an angel of light. (see 2Cor.11:14)Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,07:15) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,07:10) “O sister of Aaron!” (Sura 019.028) WRONG MARY! Your god 'al-Lah' got it wrong!
Matthew 12:23
And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?
Jesus lineage DOES go back to David through his mother Mary. (see Luke 3:23-31)Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,07:19) Quote (bodhitharta @ July 01 2013,07:15) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,07:10) “O sister of Aaron!” (Sura 019.028) WRONG MARY! Your god 'al-Lah' got it wrong!
Matthew 12:23
And all the people were amazed, and said, Is not this the son of David?
Jesus lineage DOES go back to David through his mother Mary. (see Luke 3:23-31)
Then I guess the Surah was right, plus you do realized the term Son of David isn't literal right? Jus like “O sister of Aaron”These are statements of righteousness.
Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,07:17) Quote (Ed J @ July 01 2013,07:10) “O sister of Aaron!” (Sura 019.028) WRONG MARY! Your god 'al-Lah' got it wrong!
Oops, I mean 'Muhammad' got it WRONG; as there is no 'al-Lah' god,
only Satan masquerading as an angel of light. (see 2Cor.11:14)
Who is Jesus speaking to here:Mark 15:34
And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?Or here:
Matthew 27:46
And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?which of the two did he actually say and what are these languages?
Surah 59
22 He is Allah, beside Whom La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He) the All-Knower of the unseen and the seen. He is the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.
23 He is Allah beside Whom La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the King, the Holy, the One Free from all defects, the Giver of security, the Watcher over His creatures, the All-Mighty, the Compeller, the Supreme. Glory be to Allah! (High is He) above all that they associate as partners with Him.
24 He is Allah, the Creator, the Inventor of all things, the Bestower of forms. To Him belong the Best Names. All that is in the heavens and the earth glorify Him. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.
And the most beautiful names belong to Allah so call on Him by them.
(Qur’an 7:180)
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