New Testement The Quran

[2besee]

Hi.

Bodhitharta said:

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I really didn't change at all because the Quran doesn't change anything it simply clarifies. It would be like watching a sequel to a movie in which the sequel fills in parts the previous movie/movies didn't reveal. There is a huge difference in something being the truth and something being revealed. When Jesus came it was so surprising and disturbing to the Jews they preffered part 1 with Moses they didn't like there Hero being “upstaged” in their eyes and then it's like the third part is released and it seems to shocking to believe but it actually confirms the first 2 parts. Imagine you see in a film a crucifixion and you cry in the movie that the star died and then came back to life but then another movie comes out and their is a twist to the story and he wasn't crucified although it appeared to have happened. My point is I read it forward as an unfolding if you read it backwards you can't believe it and then when you go backwards again you can't believe Jesus is the Messiah. So my faith in God let me see the TRUTH  so I don't consider myself any less “Christian” because I follow the way of Christ and I follow him right into Submission to God. I understand what God having “no Son” means it is not taking away from Jesus at all it is simply making a clear statement that God doesn't function like us HE doesn't reproduce because HE CREATES by COMMAND so Adam and Jesus are similar Miraculous creations they are not his two sons, but the Bible calls both of them sons of God and Christians simply select one over the other and decide with Adam it is just a figure of speech but with Jesus it is literal so how is that clear?

So I would like to look at what the Quran says and what the Bible (NT) says and see if there is any truth to what Bodhitharta is saying is or not.

[2besee]

Firstly, the only obvious contradictions are, from what I have seen:

1) Jesus as the 'Son of God'
2) The Crucifixion
3) The afterlife

I understand that Muslims do not follow Paul so we can leave Paul's Epistles out of the discussion.

[Wakeup]

1) Jesus as the 'Son of God' (qur.says no; he is just a.prophet).

2) The Crucifixion(qur.says not true.he never suffered anything).

3) The afterlife. ( there is no day of resurrection of the dead: the resurrection happens daily).

[2besee]

Hi Wakeup I know. What I want to do is compare the two (the Quran and the New Testament) as Bod says that He believes that the Quran 'clarifies' the NT and is a 'continuing on' of the story.

So because there are so many Muslims, I am interested in this, with an open mind, but ALSO knowing what I/we believe to be true (That Jesus' words ARE the truth)

[2besee]

But it will take a while, and some research.

[Wakeup]

Hi Beesee.

I think that would be a good idea.

wakeup.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (2besee @ Nov. 08 2012,18:21)

Firstly, the only obvious contradictions are, from what I have seen: 1) Jesus as the 'Son of God' 2) The Crucifixion 3) The afterlife I understand that Muslims do not follow Paul so we can leave Paul's Epistles out of the discussion.

Hi Besee

1. Jesus is a Spirit that proceeded from God

2. Jesus was thought to have been killed by Crucifixion but God raised him up to Himself

3. There will be a day of Judgement and Resurrection.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 08 2012,19:04)

1) Jesus as the 'Son of God' (qur.says no; he is just a.prophet).

Wrong the Quran calls Jesus a Spirit proceeding from God and a Word from Him

O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not “Trinity”: desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)

2) The Crucifixion(qur.says not true.he never suffered anything).

Wrong the Quran says he was not killed or crucified

That they said (in boast), “We killed christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #157)

3) The afterlife. ( there is no day of resurrection of the dead: the resurrection happens daily).

Wrong there will be a last day with a Judgement an Resurrection.

The life of this world is alluring to those who reject faith, and they scoff at those who believe. But the righteous will be above them on the Day of resurrection; for Allah bestows His abundance without measure on whom He will.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #212)

Behold! Allah said: “O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee superior to those who reject faith, to the Day of resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #55)

O mankind! if ye have a doubt about the resurrection, (consider) that We created you out of dust, then out of sperm, then out of a leech-like clot, then out of a morsel of flesh, partly formed and partly unformed, in order that We may manifest (our power) to you; and We cause whom We will to rest in the wombs for an appointed term, then do We bring you out as babes, then (foster you) that ye may reach your age of full strength; and some of you are called to die, and some are sent back to the feeblest old age, so that they know nothing after having known (much), and (further), thou seest the earth barren and lifeless, but when We pour down rain on it, it is stirred (to life), it swells, and it puts forth every kind of beautiful growth (in pairs).
( سورة الحج , Al-Hajj, Chapter #22, Verse #5)

[Wakeup]

B,tharta.

quote.
Wrong the Quran calls Jesus a Spirit proceeding from God and a Word from Him.unquote.

If so then why are the prayers mostly focused on mohamad,and not on Jesus?(mohamad darsulallah).

If there is a day of resurrection; why are they taught that the martyrs are in heaven with their virgins?

I have also noticed that you also are ignoring some of the old testament. You just believe what you want to believe.

wakeup.

[TimothyVI]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 09 2012,16:31)

B,tharta. I have also noticed that you also are ignoring some of the old testament. You just believe what you want to believe EXACTLY LIKE I DO. wakeup.

I fixed that for you.
Tim

[Wakeup]

Quote (TimothyVI @ Nov. 09 2012,21:21)

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 09 2012,16:31) B,tharta. I have also noticed that you also are ignoring some of the old testament. You just believe what you want to believe EXACTLY LIKE I DO. wakeup. I fixed that for you.   Tim

Timothy.
You are not just naughty,but also very crafty.

wakeup.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 09 2012,16:31)

B,tharta. quote. Wrong the Quran calls Jesus a Spirit proceeding from God and a Word from Him.unquote. If so then why are the prayers mostly focused on mohamad,and not on Jesus?(mohamad darsulallah). If there is a day of resurrection; why are they taught that the martyrs are in heaven with their virgins? I have also noticed that you also are ignoring some of the old testament. You just believe what you want to believe. wakeup.

I pray to God directly so what are you talking about?

Martyrs and virgins are a teaching outside the Quran, please do research first and then critisize you can easily find what is in the Quran by doin a search:

http://www.searchtruth.com/search.php

This way you will know what you are talking about.

God Bless!

[Wakeup]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 10 2012,14:16)

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 09 2012,16:31) B,tharta. quote. Wrong the Quran calls Jesus a Spirit proceeding from God and a Word from Him.unquote. If so then why are the prayers mostly focused on mohamad,and not on Jesus?(mohamad darsulallah). If there is a day of resurrection; why are they taught that the martyrs are in heaven with their virgins? I have also noticed that you also are ignoring some of the old testament. You just believe what you want to believe. wakeup. I pray to God directly so what are you talking about? Martyrs and virgins are a teaching outside the Quran, please do research first and then critisize you can easily find what is in the Quran by doin a search: http://www.searchtruth.com/search.php This way you will know what you are talking about. God Bless!

B,tharta.

I have the qur'an,and have read it.

wakeup.

[2besee]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 10 2012,17:54)

B,tharta. I have the qur'an,and have read it. wakeup.

Really Wakeup? I haven't, yet. I have read bits and pieces though through researching in the past.

[2besee]

Great link Bod thanks just what I was looking for!

[2besee]

Bod, before I look later when I have some more time, I DO know that the Islamic or Quranic version of 'Hell' is a LOT different than I believe as truth, as a start. I could never agree with the Islamic view of hell.

Is the Islamic version of hell eternal to a Muslim or…?

[Wakeup]

Hell in the qur'an is about fire, and water boiling,and screaming.
Heaven is just a paradise with nice fruit trees and
and fresh waters.

This is a very strange thing about the qur'an.
It mentionens the kingdom,but yet it is not clarifying it,its just words of confusion.

It mentions the apostles and yet it is not claryfying it.

It mentions isa(jesus) and yet not claryfying it.
Its just words upon words of emptiness.

The whole book is just repetitiveness.
Its empty and void.

Ibrahim(abrham) was a muslem meaning submission; to allah.
and yet that word allah did not exist back then.
Jesus said ;*This gospel of the kingdom* is to be preached in all the earth for a witness.

THIS GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM IS NOT THE QUR'AN.
Lets leave it to that.

wakeup.

[Ed J]

Quote (Wakeup @ Nov. 10 2012,19:58)

Hell in the qur'an is about fire, and water boiling,and screaming. Heaven is just a paradise with nice fruit trees and and fresh waters. This is a very strange thing about the qur'an. It mentionens the kingdom,but yet it is not clarifying it,its just words of confusion. It mentions the apostles and yet it is not claryfying it. It mentions isa(jesus) and yet not claryfying it. Its just words upon words of emptiness. The whole book is just repetitiveness. Its empty and void. Ibrahim(abrham) was a muslem meaning submission; to allah. and yet that word allah did not exist back then. Jesus said ;*This gospel of the kingdom* is to be preached in all the earth for a witness. THIS GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM IS NOT THE QUR'AN. Lets leave it to that. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup,

Yes, it's about time people start learning about the corruption that is islam.

The 'book of fraud' is reported to have been given by Gabriel, but it was really delivered by satan!
It's vital to understand that the 'book of fraud'(=quran book) teaches against The Gospel's message.

Gal.1:6-9 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you
into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there
be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we,
or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have
preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any
man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

2Cor.11:14-15 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
Therefore it is no great thing if [Satan's ministers] also be transformed as the
ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Your brother
in Christ, Jesus.
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

[Wakeup]

Yes Ed.but how can we make them see this, and convince them,that this is the case.

wakeup.

[2besee]

Qurans eternal hell.
(From using the keyword search),

Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.
(  سورة النساء  , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #56)

If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is hell, to abide therein (For ever): And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him, and a dreadful penalty is prepared for him.
(  سورة النساء  , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #93)

They (his dupes) will have their dwelling in hell, and from it they will find no way of escape.
(  سورة النساء  , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #121)

Except the way of hell, to dwell therein for ever. And this to Allah is easy.
(  سورة النساء  , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #169)

On the Day when heat will be produced out of that (wealth) in the fire of hell, and with it will be branded their foreheads, their flanks, and their backs, their flanks, and their backs.- “This is the (treasure) which ye buried for yourselves: taste ye, then, the (treasures) ye buried!”
(  سورة التوبة  , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #35)

Allah hath promised the Hypocrites men and women, and the rejecters, of Faith, the fire of hell: Therein shall they dwell: Sufficient is it for them: for them is the curse of Allah, and an enduring punishment,-
(  سورة التوبة  , At-Taubah, Chapter #9, Verse #68)

In front of such a one is hell, and he is given, for drink, boiling fetid water.
(  سورة إبراهيم  , Ibrahim, Chapter #14, Verse #16)

If any do wish for the transitory things (of this life), We readily grant them – such things as We will, to such person as We will: in the end have We provided hell for them: they will burn therein, disgraced and rejected.
(  سورة الإسراء  , Al-Isra, Chapter #17, Verse #18)

It is he whom Allah guides, that is on true Guidance; but he whom He leaves astray – for such wilt thou find no protector besides Him. On the Day of Judgment We shall gather, them together, prone on their faces, blind, dumb, and deaf: their abode will be hell: every time it shows abatement, We shall increase from them the fierceness of the Fire.
(  سورة الإسراء  , Al-Isra, Chapter #17, Verse #97)

But those who reject (Allah) – for them will be the Fire of hell: No term shall be determined for them, so they should die, nor shall its Penalty be lightened for them. Thus do We reward every ungrateful one! Therein will they cry aloud (for assistance): “Our Lord! Bring us out: we shall work righteousness, not the (deeds) we used to do!” – “Did We not give you long enough life so that he that would should receive admonition? and (moreover) the warner came to you. So taste ye (the fruits of your deeds): for the wrong-doers there is no helper.”
(  سورة فاطر  , Fatir, Chapter #35, Verse #36-37)

Those in the Fire will say to the Keepers of hell: “Pray to your Lord to lighten us the Penalty for a day (at least)!”
(  سورة غافر  , Ghafir, Chapter #40, Verse #49)

Those who reject the Book and the (revelations) with which We sent our messengers: but soon shall they know,- When the yokes (shall be) round their necks, and the chains; they shall be dragged along – In the boiling fetid fluid: then in the Fire shall they be burned; And burning in hell-Fire.
(  سورة غافر  , Ghafir, Chapter #40, Verse #71-72)

“Unless I proclaim what I receive from Allah and His Messages: for any that disobey Allah and His Messenger,- for them is hell: they shall dwell therein for ever.”
(  سورة الجن  , Al-Jinn, Chapter #72, Verse #23)

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