New Age Philosophy Tim Kraft?

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Hi Mark,

I see you do not consider the things I say,
because you have already made up your mind
what you want to believe. I'll be available to reason
things out with you when you are ready to listen; OK?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

December 1, 2011 at 12:27 pm#266533

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I'm sorry, It's “The voice of the silence”

This is some of her teachings-

“ Thus will mankind, race after race, perform its appointed cycle-pilgrimage. Climates will, and have already begun, to change, each tropical year after the other dropping one sub-race, but only to beget another higher race on the ascending cycle; while a series of other less favoured groups — the failures of nature — will, like some individual men, vanish from the human family without even leaving a trace behind.
Such is the course of Nature under the sway of KARMIC LAW: of the ever present and the ever-becoming Nature.[42]
”

The first aim of the Theosophical Society she founded is “To form a nucleus of the Universal Brotherhood of Humanity, without distinction of race, creed, sex, caste or colour”, and her writings also include references emphasizing the unity of humanity: “all men have spiritually and physically the same origin” and that “mankind is essentially of one and the same essence”.[43]

But also, she says Lucifer is God. So we are one in spirit In Lucifer “the light bearer”, if we forget about sin?

December 1, 2011 at 12:31 pm#266534

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Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 01 2011,22:06)

Hi Mark,

I see you do not consider the things I say,
because you have already made up your mind
what you want to believe. I'll be available to reason
things out with you when you are ready to listen; OK?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Like in everything, I go by what I experience, and read, and understand, and is told to my face personally. You didn't answer the question-Did you say that?

December 1, 2011 at 12:46 pm#266535

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Quote (mikeangel @ Dec. 01 2011,22:31)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 01 2011,22:06)

Hi Mark,

I see you do not consider the things I say,
because you have already made up your mind
what you want to believe. I'll be available to reason
things out with you when you are ready to listen; OK?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Like in everything, I go by what I experience, and read, and understand, and is told to my face personally. You didn't answer the question-Did you say that?

Hi Mark,

No, I simply voiced my concern that you may miss our scheduled meeting
because of other prior commitments that you made while in town.
This caused you to blow your stack, proving my concern.
Perhaps you do not remember our conversation?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

December 1, 2011 at 1:57 pm#266536

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“well, since you are drinking you might be hungover or sick tomorrow”. – EdJ

Take care Ed.

P.S. There NEVER has been evil in God. US, but not God. Peace and love-Mark

December 1, 2011 at 3:14 pm#266537

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Mark: I'll try to be brief!….If you would please look up the word “sin” in the NT and tell me [what you think it is]! Not what sin causes! Not what sin does! Not how bad sin is! Not Gods feelings about one who sins! Please, WHAT IS SIN!

….You say….[We are only servants]…..Jesus says at John15:15…HENCEFORTH I CALL YOU NOT SERVANTS….BUT I HAVE CALLED YOU FRIENDS….

You say….……Luke12:32….Jesus says, it is your Fathers good pleasure TO GIVE YOU THE KINGDOM…..If Jesus is the KING of Kings then who are the KINGS with Jesus?

Rev.1:6….hath washed us from our sins in his own blood(did the blood of Jesus was away your sin?)….and (it also) hath made us kings and priests unto God….[ Heb.12:28]

The Kingdom of God dwells within each person and each person is [King] of that Kingdom….The King is the highest ruling power of a Kingdom!

We are also the Temple of God….each is a temple of God….We are made Priest of our individual Temple where God dwells….Priest is the highest order of the Temple under high Priest.

…..You say……It is not true, that with the understanding and development of spirituality, that we will be God.

Sin won't die as long as you believe it! Sin is death! Sin is a lie! These are all Bible backed answers. Hope that helps! With Love, TK

December 2, 2011 at 3:30 am#266567

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Quote (mikeangel @ Dec. 01 2011,23:57)

(1)”well, since you are drinking you might be hungover or sick tomorrow”. – EdJ

Take care Ed.

(2)P.S. There NEVER has been evil in God. US, but not God. Peace and love-Mark

Hi Mark, you take care too.

1) Didn't say that.

2) Didn't say that either.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

December 2, 2011 at 3:39 am#266568

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Quote (ftk @ Dec. 02 2011,01:14)

Please, WHAT IS SIN!

Hi Tim,

Sin is the transgression of the commandments of God. (1John 3:4, 1John 3:24)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

December 2, 2011 at 10:34 am#266581

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Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 02 2011,13:39)

Quote (ftk @ Dec. 02 2011,01:14)

Please, WHAT IS SIN!

Hi Tim,

Sin is the transgression of the commandments of God. (1John 3:4, 1John 3:24)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed: There are no “commandments” from God or Jesus in the New Testament.

The words translated “command or commandments”….this is my commandment…..that you love one another as I have loved you.

Jesus gave himself for mankind. He was not commanded to do so. You and the Jews of old search high and low to use the word command like unto a law, but it would be contradictory to “love”. Love is the suggestion from God and Jesus give us for perfect life!

There is no law or commandments from Jesus. Not one “jot”or “tittle” can change from the law….until all is fulfilled!

Once the “sacrifice” for sin was no longer acknowledged the law was finished. Jesus said the law and the prophets were up until John the Baptist….since then the New Testament Kingdom of God is preached by Jesus in Spirit words from God.

You know this…you just don't want to admit the truth and change! IMO, TK

December 3, 2011 at 12:29 am#266612

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Quote (ftk @ Dec. 02 2011,20:34)

Ed: There are no “commandments” from God or Jesus in the New Testament.

Hi Tim,

You try to use both Jesus’ words and Paul’s words in an attempt to do away with the commandments of God; this is FOOLISHNESS indeed!

Paul: “Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.” (1Corinthians 7:19)
John: “He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. (1John 2:3-4)

Paul: “If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that
the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the LORD.” (1Cor.14:37)

Jesus: “if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.” (Matt 19:17)
Jesus: “If ye love me, keep my commandments.” (John 14:15)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

December 3, 2011 at 1:31 am#266618

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Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 02 2011,13:30)

Quote (mikeangel @ Dec. 01 2011,23:57)

(1)”well, since you are drinking you might be hungover or sick tomorrow”. – EdJ

Take care Ed.

(2)P.S. There NEVER has been evil in God. US, but not God. Peace and love-Mark

Hi Mark, you take care too.

1) Didn't say that.

2) Didn't say that either.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed, I had no “plans” that weekend, but to see my friend and meet you, and fellowship. I was very enthusiastic about it. I had prepared smoked salmon, and was the nest day planning to do ribs, and brought my pellet grill with me. AS GOD LIVES, I called you to tell you I was there and wanted to meet, but wanted to avoid witnessing to you or preach about God with a beer in my hand, and I had been drinking a few beers. You started going on and on about how you didn't eat pork because of the poison in then from not sweating, and doubted we could meet the next day because you told me I would problibly be hungover and sick. If you deny that, then either 1-you got a bad memory, or 2- You LIE. Whatever. You also have a cection in your book about how evil was separated form God and quoted to me Isaiah about the king of Babylon and how the morning star falling or something was your proof that evil was separated from God by the cross. Nope. Evil is separated from us man, not God. God died on the cross perfectly perfect, or it ment nothing. You got your wires crossed and even wrote a book professing it as truth. Thats between you and God, but to me, it don't look good. It wouldn't be worth the risk to me, because it really doesn't matter. It's got nothing to do with salvation through belief in Jesus, and just complicates a simple process by slander to Jesus. You be good Ed, I'll see you in front of God. He's got a great memory…….

December 3, 2011 at 1:42 am#266619

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Quote (ftk @ Dec. 02 2011,20:34)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 02 2011,13:39)

Quote (ftk @ Dec. 02 2011,01:14)

Please, WHAT IS SIN!

Hi Tim,

Sin is the transgression of the commandments of God. (1John 3:4, 1John 3:24)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed: There are no “commandments” from God or Jesus in the New Testament.

The words translated “command or commandments”….this is my commandment…..that you love one another as I have loved you.

There is no law or commandments from Jesus. Not one “jot”or “tittle” can change from the law….until all is fulfilled!

You know this…you just don't want to admit the truth and change! IMO, TK

Tim, thats a twist. When that man asked Jesus what he had to do to enherit eternal life, the first thing the told him was “you know the commandments” and quoted him a few of the ten. He, and Paul, were talking about the old law of atonement, and forgiveness of sins through the shedding of animals blood. That was the law that passed away. Jesus never, ever even implied to anyone the ten commandments were gone. thats insane twisting IMO. Thats why you can't answer me about children suffering, and is it a sin for thier parents to be putting them through so much, TO DO WHAT THEY WANT(there are no commandments or laws from God). You also never answered me about “the voice of the silence” . I am beginning to think I know you, form what you say, and what you don't……….

December 3, 2011 at 2:54 am#266624

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Quote (mikeangel @ Dec. 03 2011,11:31)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 02 2011,13:30)

Quote (mikeangel @ Dec. 01 2011,23:57)

(1)”well, since you are drinking you might be hungover or sick tomorrow”. – EdJ

Take care Ed.

(2)P.S. There NEVER has been evil in God. US, but not God. Peace and love-Mark

Hi Mark, you take care too.

1) Didn't say that.

2) Didn't say that either.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Mark,

If you remember correctly, when you hit town I invited you over.
It was at that point that you said, you instead planned on visiting
someone else that night, and that you would meet with me the next day.
Perhaps you did not realize that you did not inform me of your complete plans.
Have you also forgotten that you blew your stack? That's not very good fellowship, is it?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

December 3, 2011 at 10:23 am#266649

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Ed: We only disagree on the definition of the word ''command''! A command according to me is a “forceful” expression and love does not force! Love can suggest or prescribe but no force! If we agree that the word “commandments” is more accurately translated the “words” of God or Jesus or Paul or whoever, then we have no problem. I believe that you want me to accept the word “commandments” as an updated law. The old law was fulfilled. A major part of the law ceased to be invoked, that is the sacrifice.

Once one jot or tittle was removed from the law, all was fulfilled! There is now no further sacrifice! Sin is removed. There is no law in the New Testament! There is no current law from God. Christ is the “END OF THE LAW”….FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS….TO EVERYONE….WHO BELIEVES!! (ROM.10:4) Righteousness is only by faith in the words of God through Jesus!! IMO, TK

December 3, 2011 at 10:34 am#266650

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Hi Tim,

God's commandments are given for our own good.
Following the 10 commandments insures our freedom.
Jesus came to put God's commandments into our hearts.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

December 3, 2011 at 11:27 am#266653

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John 13:34

New International Version (©1984)
“A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.
New Living Translation (©2007)
So now I am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other.

English Standard Version (©2001)
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
“A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another.

THAT IS A COMMANDMENT, AND AS JESUS SAID, SUMS UP THE LAW, INSTEAD OF REPLACE IT OR MAKE IT OBSOLETE.

December 3, 2011 at 11:36 am#266654

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Hey Mark: Please don't give up on me yet. If I have remained silent on anything it was by mistake. I may have to say to you, I don't know the answer but I will not run from any question with an honest heart-felt answer to the best of my knowledge.

As we continue our quest for the truth of God that is revealed by Jesus in the new testament there are some basic truths that would tend to lead us in the right direction. Since we know there was need for a new way unto a relationship with God from the old to the new we might ask, why? What was wrong with the old that the new was even necessary.

The law or written ordinances or rules could not make a God/worshiper clean or righteous. Perfection and purification, of mankind can only be in a mind that's washed clean of sin/wrong/unworthiness,unrighteousness,unclean,dirty etc.,! God wanted to be accepted within the clean heart of man through love, not be self created by following rules and laws. The mind of man is the clearing house of mankind. How a man is programed in mind is… As a man thinketh in his heart/mind, so he is! Rules and regulations and laws kept a man in constant self judgment and condemnation as a failure. This kept man constantly separated from God not joined to God. Man began creating religion/or religious ideas of pleasing God or pacifying God with thousands of rules, rituals, feast days, fast days, sabbath days, works for God, works for cleanliness, deeds for worthiness, all types of ''efforts by man” to make himself worthy and acceptable to God. That means of mans attempted self purification kept him in sin, 24/7! His mind believed in separation from God most all the time. He always felt short of what God wanted him to be. Self condemned! Much like the churches teach today. They still preach hang on in there, hope for the best, try to be good, do good things, work out your salvation etc.! The only truth there is, it is truly “THEIR SALVATION” they are working on which is no salvation at all!!

The new way to Gods Salvation is faith in the fact that God did the works for us and gave it to us if we can accept and believe. Jesus came fulfilled all the old covenant, fulfilled the law and prophets and began to preach the Kingdom of God within each human being that will accept and believe. If each human being will accept what Jesus did with his entire life, they will find that they have been washed clean by the words of God, ordained for the continued teaching of all who will accept, been saved from sin forever gone, taken from the heart of each believer and healed and made whole by faith in life/God.

Then cometh the thief to kill, steal, and destroy…the truth of God! This is darkness in high places, rulers, wicked spirits/doctrines held in high esteem in large churches. The war for truth of God or lies of darkness is on! After one hears the words of truth and believe
then comes wickedness, lies and deceptions to steal this good word of God truth, of total Salvation/perfection in Christ. Some give it up completely, some sixty fold, some thirty fold some twenty fold and some hold fast to the truth, girt with the shield of faith, the helmet of Salvation ready to go to war with darkness, lies, deceptions, untruth that say it can't be that easy, ''faith alone'', that can't be the truth, look at this, look at that, no we are just sinner saved by grace! This is the great war of Armageddon. A war for the truth of God in the mind of man. Who will live? Who can hold fast the truth against lies and error. The Light of God filling the mind of man, removing or casting out the darkness into outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth, apart from God. Just some thoughts to ponder. God bless you! TK

December 3, 2011 at 11:41 am#266655

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I will admit that, that when you condesended me, I blew my stack. It hurt me and I was really disappointed. You never invited me over. I left without even having a clue as to where you lived there. That is incorrect. I even told you we were having smoked salmon that night, until you condesended me. At that point I knew it would not be pleasent to meet you, and you exibited the disposition of a opinionated , judgemental person. I will state the truth, you are right, at that point I blew my stack, for one paragraph, but I did not cuss, I just hung up the phone and shook my head. You, like my daughter, have a creative memory. Love,Mark

December 3, 2011 at 11:48 am#266656

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Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 03 2011,12:54)

Quote (mikeangel @ Dec. 03 2011,11:31)

Quote (Ed J @ Dec. 02 2011,13:30)

Quote (mikeangel @ Dec. 01 2011,23:57)

(1)”well, since you are drinking you might be hungover or sick tomorrow”. – EdJ

Take care Ed.

(2)P.S. There NEVER has been evil in God. US, but not God. Peace and love-Mark

Hi Mark, you take care too.

1) Didn't say that.

2) Didn't say that either.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Mark,

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Also, I couldn't have told you that, because after AI got there, I was there until I left Sunday. I made one trip out during one day, and that was it. The rest of the weekend I cooked. It is what I like to do for friends. It's one of the ways I show my love . They feel it, and I love to do it. Anyway, it could have been great. I wanted us to go somewhere and have communion. I even had told you it could of been wine or grape juice, I left it up to you. It did hurt Ed.

December 3, 2011 at 12:00 pm#266657