Mystery Babylon

[Wakeup]

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Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 17 2013,16:38) Quote (942767 @ Mar. 17 2013,14:45) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 17 2013,14:23) Marty I understand you rather leave it at what it says and wait right because to you the allegoric description of the scarlet beast and the whore his as clear as light and you know or do not Know what they all representing but I think you do believe that it is the religions and specifically the catholic church because of the “CITY ” AND THE SEVEN HILLS”” right Hi Pierre: A whore is a woman who commits fornication, and this case it is “spiritual fornication” or perversion of the Word of God, and it is the Catholic church that professes Christianity, but their doctrines certainly are a perversion of the Word of God. But the angel did not tell us specifically that the whore is the Catholic church, but he did tell us that the beast that carries her is an end time event, and he tells us that the woman that sits on many waters are “peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues”.  In other words, this church, woman is global. Love in Christ, Marty Marty. Here is scriptural proof that babylon the geat the mother of harlots is the world system and religions,and believes. James 4:4   Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the **WORLD** is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the **WORLD** is the enemy of God. Here you see,that we must not befriend **THE WORLD**. The WORLD has the spirit of babylon;the vatican included. The world worship this woman;she represents all what the world is after; and that is not God;but the lust of the flesh. Btw; the prophecies never mentioned 7hills. this is mens deception; but it says 7mountains. wakeup. Revelation 17:9 Context NET © (This requires 1  a mind that has wisdom.) The seven heads are seven mountains 2  the woman sits on. They are also seven kings: NIV © “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. NASB © “Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits, NLT © “And now understand this: The seven heads of the beast represent the seven hills of the city where this woman rules. They also represent seven kings. MSG © “But don't drop your guard. Use your head. The seven heads are seven hills; they are where the woman sits. BBE © Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman is seated: NRSV © “This calls for a mind that has wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; also, they are seven kings, NKJV © “Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. relative view

Terra.

1.This spiritual woman is not satan ;but satans woman (babylon the great).
Satans system of things,or doctrine.
This woman can satisfy the flesh,as long as you follow satans
way of living,you can have anything You desire.(the material).

2.God spiritual woman is Zion;Holy jerusalem.
This is Gods way of living,Gods doctrine.She can give us everlasting life if we follow Gods way.

3. Babylon the great started riding on the first head(kingdom) or mountain. That was Egypt.
Today she is riding on the 7th head(mountain)(kingdom).
The british empire(end time Roman empire).

The world worshipped this woman(bab), because she can give anyone the desires of the flesh,as long as one follows satans way. Just as satan tempted Jesus to worship him,and he will give him the world,for all is his.(Not the earth,but the world).

To be successful in babylon the great, one must follow satans laws; Do to others, as others do to you,and much more.
Dont ever feel sorry in business,must do what you have to do. To be honest is not the way to go.Fight for what you want.

wakeup.

[terraricca]

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Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 18 2013,11:02) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 17 2013,16:38) Quote (942767 @ Mar. 17 2013,14:45) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 17 2013,14:23) Marty I understand you rather leave it at what it says and wait right because to you the allegoric description of the scarlet beast and the whore his as clear as light and you know or do not Know what they all representing but I think you do believe that it is the religions and specifically the catholic church because of the “CITY ” AND THE SEVEN HILLS”” right Hi Pierre: A whore is a woman who commits fornication, and this case it is “spiritual fornication” or perversion of the Word of God, and it is the Catholic church that professes Christianity, but their doctrines certainly are a perversion of the Word of God. But the angel did not tell us specifically that the whore is the Catholic church, but he did tell us that the beast that carries her is an end time event, and he tells us that the woman that sits on many waters are “peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues”.  In other words, this church, woman is global. Love in Christ, Marty Marty. Here is scriptural proof that babylon the geat the mother of harlots is the world system and religions,and believes. James 4:4   Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the **WORLD** is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the **WORLD** is the enemy of God. Here you see,that we must not befriend **THE WORLD**. The WORLD has the spirit of babylon;the vatican included. The world worship this woman;she represents all what the world is after; and that is not God;but the lust of the flesh. Btw; the prophecies never mentioned 7hills. this is mens deception; but it says 7mountains. wakeup. Revelation 17:9 Context NET © (This requires 1  a mind that has wisdom.) The seven heads are seven mountains 2  the woman sits on. They are also seven kings: NIV © “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. NASB © “Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits, NLT © “And now understand this: The seven heads of the beast represent the seven hills of the city where this woman rules. They also represent seven kings. MSG © “But don't drop your guard. Use your head. The seven heads are seven hills; they are where the woman sits. BBE © Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman is seated: NRSV © “This calls for a mind that has wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; also, they are seven kings, NKJV © “Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. relative view Terra. 1.This spiritual woman is not satan ;but satans woman (babylon the great). Satans system of things,or doctrine. This woman can satisfy the flesh,as long as you follow satans way of living,you can have anything You desire.(the material). 2.God spiritual woman is Zion;Holy jerusalem. This is Gods way of living,Gods doctrine.She can give us everlasting life if we follow Gods way. 3. Babylon the great started riding on the first head(kingdom) or mountain. That was Egypt. Today she is riding on the 7th head(mountain)(kingdom). The british empire(end time Roman empire). The world worshipped this woman(bab), because she can give anyone the desires of the flesh,as long as one follows satans way. Just as satan tempted Jesus to worship him,and he will give him the world,for all is his.(Not the earth,but the world). To be successful in babylon the great, one must follow satans laws; Do to others, as others do to you,and much more. Dont ever feel sorry in business,must do what you have to do. To be honest is not the way to go.Fight for what you want. wakeup.

wakeup

please read my quote and respond with scriptures ,not with opinions at the least make your opinions following a scripture ,

and show me in which scripture I have said what is not fulfilled or addressed

and understand that “city,mountain,beast , forest ,trees ect” are only allegoric images to show different levels of powers

[Wakeup]

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 18 2013,10:50)

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 17 2013,21:38) Quote (942767 @ Mar. 17 2013,14:45) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 17 2013,14:23) Marty I understand you rather leave it at what it says and wait right because to you the allegoric description of the scarlet beast and the whore his as clear as light and you know or do not Know what they all representing but I think you do believe that it is the religions and specifically the catholic church because of the “CITY ” AND THE SEVEN HILLS”” right Hi Pierre: A whore is a woman who commits fornication, and this case it is “spiritual fornication” or perversion of the Word of God, and it is the Catholic church that professes Christianity, but their doctrines certainly are a perversion of the Word of God. But the angel did not tell us specifically that the whore is the Catholic church, but he did tell us that the beast that carries her is an end time event, and he tells us that the woman that sits on many waters are “peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues”.  In other words, this church, woman is global. Love in Christ, Marty Marty. Here is scriptural proof that babylon the geat the mother of harlots is the world system and religions,and believes. James 4:4   Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the **WORLD** is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the **WORLD** is the enemy of God. Here you see,that we must not befriend **THE WORLD**. The WORLD has the spirit of babylon;the vatican included. The world worship this woman;she represents all what the world is after; and that is not God;but the lust of the flesh. Btw; the prophecies never mentioned 7hills. this is mens deception; but it says 7mountains. wakeup. Hi wakeup: The word babylon or babylonia means confusion, and so, yes, there are other elements in the world that are part of this confusion, but these scritures in revelation 17 are dealing with the eight beast that carries the “Babylonian whore, the mother of harlots” and so she is “the mother of harlots” but not the only harlot. And yes, you are correct in saying that the scripture states 7 mountains rather than seven hills, and is probably referring to 7 continents or since 7 is God's number for complete, it is referring to the influence of the babylonian whore being prevalent in the entire world. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty.

The trade world is also worshipped by the world.
The worshipping of greed, profit and power is a religion
to the merchants of the earth.

Sport can also be worshipped by man.
Luxuries can also be worshipped.
Leisure,and women can also be worshipped.

All these things are the spirit of babylon the great.
We as christians need to undo this spirit,and follow the spirit of Jesus.Such as''give us THIS DAY OUR DAILY BREAD.
And be happy with your wages. Remember in the desert,Moses people can only take the manna for the day,not more.Greed is a no no.

wakeup.

[Wakeup]

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 18 2013,15:06)

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 18 2013,07:33) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 18 2013,11:02) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 17 2013,16:38) Quote (942767 @ Mar. 17 2013,14:45) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 17 2013,14:23) Marty I understand you rather leave it at what it says and wait right because to you the allegoric description of the scarlet beast and the whore his as clear as light and you know or do not Know what they all representing but I think you do believe that it is the religions and specifically the catholic church because of the “CITY ” AND THE SEVEN HILLS”” right Hi Pierre: A whore is a woman who commits fornication, and this case it is “spiritual fornication” or perversion of the Word of God, and it is the Catholic church that professes Christianity, but their doctrines certainly are a perversion of the Word of God. But the angel did not tell us specifically that the whore is the Catholic church, but he did tell us that the beast that carries her is an end time event, and he tells us that the woman that sits on many waters are “peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues”.  In other words, this church, woman is global. Love in Christ, Marty Marty. Here is scriptural proof that babylon the geat the mother of harlots is the world system and religions,and believes. James 4:4   Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the **WORLD** is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the **WORLD** is the enemy of God. Here you see,that we must not befriend **THE WORLD**. The WORLD has the spirit of babylon;the vatican included. The world worship this woman;she represents all what the world is after; and that is not God;but the lust of the flesh. Btw; the prophecies never mentioned 7hills. this is mens deception; but it says 7mountains. wakeup. Revelation 17:9 Context NET © (This requires 1  a mind that has wisdom.) The seven heads are seven mountains 2  the woman sits on. They are also seven kings: NIV © “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits. NASB © “Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits, NLT © “And now understand this: The seven heads of the beast represent the seven hills of the city where this woman rules. They also represent seven kings. MSG © “But don't drop your guard. Use your head. The seven heads are seven hills; they are where the woman sits. BBE © Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman is seated: NRSV © “This calls for a mind that has wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; also, they are seven kings, NKJV © “Here is the mind which has wisdom: The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits. relative view Terra. 1.This spiritual woman is not satan ;but satans woman (babylon the great). Satans system of things,or doctrine. This woman can satisfy the flesh,as long as you follow satans way of living,you can have anything You desire.(the material). 2.God spiritual woman is Zion;Holy jerusalem. This is Gods way of living,Gods doctrine.She can give us everlasting life if we follow Gods way. 3. Babylon the great started riding on the first head(kingdom) or mountain. That was Egypt. Today she is riding on the 7th head(mountain)(kingdom). The british empire(end time Roman empire). The world worshipped this woman(bab), because she can give anyone the desires of the flesh,as long as one follows satans way. Just as satan tempted Jesus to worship him,and he will give him the world,for all is his.(Not the earth,but the world). To be successful in babylon the great, one must follow satans laws; Do to others, as others do to you,and much more. Dont ever feel sorry in business,must do what you have to do. To be honest is not the way to go.Fight for what you want. wakeup. wakeup please read my quote and respond with scriptures ,not with opinions at the least make your opinions following a scripture , and show me in which scripture I have said what is not fulfilled or addressed and understand that “city,mountain,beast , forest ,trees ect” are only allegoric images to show different levels of powers

Terra.

So far you have been quoting scriptures only,without any explanations.

Babylon the great is the *MOTHER* of all what people worsip.All the harlots daughters; this includes all what man worship.
If ones spirit is to be great in this world;that is what he worship,that is his god,his life is dedicated for that purpose.
His god is mammon.

wakeup.

[942767]

Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 18 2013,19:16)

Quote (942767 @ Mar. 18 2013,10:50) Quote (Wakeup @ Mar. 17 2013,21:38) Quote (942767 @ Mar. 17 2013,14:45) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 17 2013,14:23) Marty I understand you rather leave it at what it says and wait right because to you the allegoric description of the scarlet beast and the whore his as clear as light and you know or do not Know what they all representing but I think you do believe that it is the religions and specifically the catholic church because of the “CITY ” AND THE SEVEN HILLS”” right Hi Pierre: A whore is a woman who commits fornication, and this case it is “spiritual fornication” or perversion of the Word of God, and it is the Catholic church that professes Christianity, but their doctrines certainly are a perversion of the Word of God. But the angel did not tell us specifically that the whore is the Catholic church, but he did tell us that the beast that carries her is an end time event, and he tells us that the woman that sits on many waters are “peoples, multitudes, nations, and tongues”.  In other words, this church, woman is global. Love in Christ, Marty Marty. Here is scriptural proof that babylon the geat the mother of harlots is the world system and religions,and believes. James 4:4   Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the **WORLD** is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the **WORLD** is the enemy of God. Here you see,that we must not befriend **THE WORLD**. The WORLD has the spirit of babylon;the vatican included. The world worship this woman;she represents all what the world is after; and that is not God;but the lust of the flesh. Btw; the prophecies never mentioned 7hills. this is mens deception; but it says 7mountains. wakeup. Hi wakeup: The word babylon or babylonia means confusion, and so, yes, there are other elements in the world that are part of this confusion, but these scritures in revelation 17 are dealing with the eight beast that carries the “Babylonian whore, the mother of harlots” and so she is “the mother of harlots” but not the only harlot. And yes, you are correct in saying that the scripture states 7 mountains rather than seven hills, and is probably referring to 7 continents or since 7 is God's number for complete, it is referring to the influence of the babylonian whore being prevalent in the entire world. Love in Christ, Marty Marty. The trade world is also worshipped by the world. The worshipping of greed, profit and power is a religion to the merchants of the earth. Sport can also be worshipped by man. Luxuries can also be worshipped. Leisure,and women can also be worshipped. All these things are the spirit of babylon the great. We as christians need to undo this spirit,and follow the spirit of Jesus.Such as''give us THIS DAY OUR DAILY BREAD. And be happy with your wages. Remember in the desert,Moses people can only take the manna for the day,not more.Greed is a no no. wakeup.

Hi Wakeup:

Yes, all that you mentioned is idolatry and is the spirit of babylon, and of the babylonian whore the scripture states:

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Rev 18:3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

Jesus stated:

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Mat 16:13 ¶ When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am? Mat 16:14 And they said, Some [say that thou art] John the Baptist: some, Elias; and others, Jeremias, or one of the prophets. Mat 16:15 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Mat 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed [it] unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

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1Jo 3:16 ¶ Hereby perceive we the love [of God], because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down [our] lives for the brethren. 1Jo 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels [of compassion] from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?

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1Jo 2:15 ¶ Love not the world, neither the things [that are] in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. 1Jo 2:16 For all that [is] in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. 1Jo 2:17 And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever

Love in Christ,
Marty

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Quote (942767 @ Mar. 18 2013,05:57) Hi Pierre: You say: Quote SO AGAIN I HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH YOUR VIEW BASED ON THOSE SCRIPTURES And just because you disagree with me, that automatically makes the way that you are viewing this as correct? Or has it ever occured to you that it might be you that has it wrong? I pray that God will bring us into unity on the many things that we have discussed, and yes, that He would correct me if I am wrong in anything that I do or teach. Love in Christ, Marty Marty I join you in you prayers ,for the same reason, but do not interpret my words as arrogant,because I am not , what I said should be understood as because of the knowledge and honor given to those mention scriptures I cannot see it the way you do , I do share your love for the truth of God and his son Jesus Christ it is because of that love that I am so picky to make sure of the scriptures ,and if I would have mist something someone within the same love would show me , I am your servant in Christ

Hi Pierre:

It is good that we both want to teach God's Word in truth, and that we are praying that God will teach us and bring us into unity so that the world will see the love of God through us and want to be a part of the body of Christ.
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We serve one another and all of humanity as we worship our God through obedience to our Lord's commandments.

But yes, sometimes you do come accross as having an arrogant attitude.

On this topic, you have stated that you disagree with me relative to the Babylonian whore, but you have not told me what you believe, and so, give me your understanding. I have given you mine.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

Marty

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Hi Pierre: It is good that we both want to teach God's Word in truth, and that we are praying that God will teach us and bring us into unity so that the world will see the love of God through us and want to be a part of the body of Christ. . We serve one another and all of humanity as we worship our God through obedience to our Lord's commandments. But yes, sometimes you do come accross as having an arrogant attitude. On this topic, you have stated that you disagree with me relative to the Babylonian whore, but you have not told me what you believe, and so, give me your understanding.  I have given you mine. Love in Christ, Marty

what I believe is ; that the whore that is sitting on the scarlet beast his Satan and that the scarlet beast his the IMAGE of the first beast in Rev;13 (beast out of the sea) but they are both (Satan and the scarlet beast )only appear after the millennium for the second resurrection ,this means billions of people will be resurrected and placed into judgment, by the faith in Christ  the only door to everlasting life,(the second resurrection will encompass all the ever existing nation ,and so all of the various believes of idols, this is what makes up the scarlet beast  this is the final acts of Satan he will be made naked ,(people understanding of the truth about him like never before)I also understand that the millennium (first resurrection ) will be playing a great part in these times as the true representatives of God almighty and his son Jesus Christ ,this is why the millennium is for to training ,the ones that will go out to the people to save as many as possible or the one that there name as been written in the book of live ,this is were the great LOVE of God will be put to the test fully,

then the end and the new start

I have already given you the reasons why it should be that way ,

[terraricca]

Marty

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But yes, sometimes you do come accross as having an arrogant attitude.

this was and never would be my intentions ,but understand that I can not do anything for the receptive spirit of the comments,

I am also have difficulty in English as the amount of words I use ,and so could at times look crude and raw ,but it is not by arrogance, I never was an arrogant men not even wen I was at work or a manager ,love to help,

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Marty Quote Hi Pierre: It is good that we both want to teach God's Word in truth, and that we are praying that God will teach us and bring us into unity so that the world will see the love of God through us and want to be a part of the body of Christ. . We serve one another and all of humanity as we worship our God through obedience to our Lord's commandments. But yes, sometimes you do come accross as having an arrogant attitude. On this topic, you have stated that you disagree with me relative to the Babylonian whore, but you have not told me what you believe, and so, give me your understanding.  I have given you mine. Love in Christ, Marty what I believe is ; that the whore that is sitting on the scarlet beast his Satan and that the scarlet beast his the IMAGE of the first beast in Rev;13 (beast out of the sea) but they are both (Satan and the scarlet beast )only appear after the millennium for the second resurrection ,this means billions of people will be resurrected and placed into judgment, by the faith in Christ  the only door to everlasting life,(the second resurrection will encompass all the ever existing nation ,and so all of the various believes of idols, this is what makes up the scarlet beast  this is the final acts of Satan he will be made naked ,(people understanding of the truth about him like never before)I also understand that the millennium (first resurrection ) will be playing a great part in these times as the true representatives of God almighty and his son Jesus Christ ,this is why the millennium is for to training ,the ones that will go out to the people to save as many as possible or the one that there name as been written in the book of live ,this is were the great LOVE of God will be put to the test fully, then the end and the new start I have already given you the reasons why it should be that way ,

Hi Pierre:

Thanks for giving me your understanding, but I don't understand what you are stating, and so, it is difficult to even comment on what you have said.

The angel, has told us about the eighth beast, and that this is the beast that carries the babylonian whore, the mother of harlots.

I believe that the “mother of harlots” is the Catholic church, and will believe this unless God shows me something different.

But haveing stated this, you are entitled to believe what you will.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[terraricca]

Marty

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But haveing stated this, you are entitled to believe what you will.

this is without a doubt, and as to applied to all ,

we cannot fallow what we do not understand this is common sense ,and our understanding should grow continuously,right

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Marty Quote But yes, sometimes you do come accross as having an arrogant attitude. this was and never would be my intentions ,but understand that I can not do anything for the receptive spirit of the comments, I am also have difficulty in English as the amount of words I use ,and so could at times look crude and raw ,but it is not by arrogance, I never was an arrogant men not even wen I was at work or a manager ,love to help,

Hi Pierre:

I believe that we both love God and want to do His will, and so, I accept what you have stated, and my desire is that God will bless you and your family exceedingly above all you are able to ask or think.

Your brother in Christ,
Marty

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Quote (t8 @ Mar. 13 2013,04:07) I can see from the poll that all who voted believe the woman is a religion or religious organisatiion. T8 Babylon stands for what Da 4:10 These are the visions I saw while lying in my bed: I looked, and there before me stood a tree in the middle of the land. Its height was enormous. Da 4:11 The tree grew large and strong and its top touched the sky; it was visible to the ends of the earth. Da 4:12 Its leaves were beautiful, its fruit abundant, and on it was food for all. Under it the beasts of the field found shelter, and the birds of the air lived in its branches; from it every creature was fed. Da 4:13 “In the visions I saw while lying in my bed, I looked, and there before me was a messenger, a holy one, coming down from heaven. Da 4:14 He called in a loud voice: ‘Cut down the tree and trim off its branches; strip off its leaves and scatter its fruit. Let the animals flee from under it and the birds from its branches. Da 4:15 But let the stump and its roots, bound with iron and bronze, remain in the ground, in the grass of the field. “ ‘Let him be drenched with the dew of heaven, and let him live with the animals among the plants of the earth. Da 4:16 Let his mind be changed from that of a man and let him be given the mind of an animal, till seven times pass by for him. Da 4:17 “ ‘The decision is announced by messengers, the holy ones declare the verdict, so that the living may know that the Most High is sovereign over the kingdoms of men and gives them to anyone he wishes and sets over them the lowliest of men.’ Da 4:18 “This is the dream that I, King Nebuchadnezzar, had. Now, Belteshazzar, tell me what it means, for none of the wise men in my kingdom can interpret it for me. But you can, because the spirit of the holy gods is in you.” Daniel Interprets the Dream Da 4:19 Then Daniel (also called Belteshazzar) was greatly perplexed for a time, and his thoughts terrified him. So the king said, “Belteshazzar, do not let the dream or its meaning alarm you.” Belteshazzar answered, “My lord, if only the dream applied to your enemies and its meaning to your adversaries! Da 4:20 The tree you saw, which grew large and strong, with its top touching the sky, visible to the whole earth, Da 4:21 with beautiful leaves and abundant fruit, providing food for all, giving shelter to the beasts of the field, and having nesting places in its branches for the birds of the air— Da 4:22 you, O king, are that tree! You have become great and strong; your greatness has grown until it reaches the sky, and your dominion extends to distant parts of the earth. Da 4:23 “You, O king, saw a messenger, a holy one, coming down from heaven and saying, ‘Cut down the tree and destroy it, but leave the stump, bound with iron and bronze, in the grass of the field, while its roots remain in the ground. Let him be drenched with the dew of heaven; let him live like the wild animals, until seven times pass by for him.’ Da 4:24 “This is the interpretation, O king, and this is the decree the Most High has issued against my lord the king: Da 4:25 You will be driven away from people and will live with the wild animals; you will eat grass like cattle and be drenched with the dew of heaven. Seven times will pass by for you until you acknowledge that the Most High is sovereign over the kingdoms of men and gives them to anyone he wishes. Da 4:26 The command to leave the stump of the tree with its roots means that your kingdom will be restored to you when you acknowledge that Heaven rules. Ge 3:14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, “Because you have done this, “Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life. Eze 28:11 The word of the LORD came to me: Eze 28:12 “Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says: “ ‘You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. Eze 28:13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. Eze 28:14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. Eze 28:15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. Eze 28:16 Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, O guardian cherub, I think those verses have something in common but it is not ONLY RELIGION

Hi Pierre

What do these verses have in common?

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J42

Did you read them

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Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 20 2013,17:04)

J42 Did you read them

Hi Pierre

Yes I did.

You said they all have something in common,
I asked you what do they have in common?

I can't see the link. All those verses look like different subjects, and not related.

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Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 20 2013,17:04) J42 Did you read them Hi Pierre Yes I did. You said they all have something in common, I asked you what do they have in common? I can't see the link.  All those verses look like different subjects, and not related.

J42

I would like to discuss this with only so if you agree we can bring my post to the hot seat topics

If this is ok with you ,I do not like interruption or out of context comments

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Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 21 2013,06:12)

Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 20 2013,20:13) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 20 2013,17:04) J42 Did you read them Hi Pierre Yes I did. You said they all have something in common, I asked you what do they have in common? I can't see the link.  All those verses look like different subjects, and not related. J42 I would like to discuss this with only so if you agree we can bring my post to the hot seat topics If this is ok with you ,I do not like interruption or out of context comments

Hi Pierre,

Yes that is ok with me. Bring it to the hot seat.

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Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 21 2013,04:50)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 21 2013,06:12) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 20 2013,20:13) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 20 2013,17:04) J42 Did you read them Hi Pierre Yes I did. You said they all have something in common, I asked you what do they have in common? I can't see the link.  All those verses look like different subjects, and not related. J42 I would like to discuss this with only so if you agree we can bring my post to the hot seat topics If this is ok with you ,I do not like interruption or out of context comments Hi Pierre, Yes that is ok with me.  Bring it to the hot seat.

Mike

Could move this topic into the hot seat ,with the four or five last quotes from me and J42

And this discussion is for me and J42 only

Thanks you

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Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 21 2013,10:28)

Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 21 2013,04:50) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 21 2013,06:12) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 20 2013,20:13) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 20 2013,17:04) J42 Did you read them Hi Pierre Yes I did. You said they all have something in common, I asked you what do they have in common? I can't see the link.  All those verses look like different subjects, and not related. J42 I would like to discuss this with only so if you agree we can bring my post to the hot seat topics If this is ok with you ,I do not like interruption or out of context comments Hi Pierre, Yes that is ok with me.  Bring it to the hot seat. Mike Could move this topic into the hot seat ,with the four or five  last quotes from me and J42 And this discussion is for me and J42 only Thanks you

Pierre

Maybe you should call the topic “Don't question me”

I can't wait. I'll bring my sword.

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Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 21 2013,11:29)

Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 21 2013,10:28) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 21 2013,04:50) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 21 2013,06:12) Quote (journey42 @ Mar. 20 2013,20:13) Quote (terraricca @ Mar. 20 2013,17:04) J42 Did you read them Hi Pierre Yes I did. You said they all have something in common, I asked you what do they have in common? I can't see the link.  All those verses look like different subjects, and not related. J42 I would like to discuss this with only so if you agree we can bring my post to the hot seat topics If this is ok with you ,I do not like interruption or out of context comments Hi Pierre, Yes that is ok with me.  Bring it to the hot seat. Mike Could move this topic into the hot seat ,with the four or five  last quotes from me and J42 And this discussion is for me and J42 only Thanks you Pierre Maybe you should call the topic “Don't question me”   I can't wait.  I'll bring my sword.

Just joking with you Pierre.

No interruptions. That's good for us.

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J42

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Pierre Maybe you should call the topic “Don't question me” I can't wait. I'll bring my sword.

you can question all things and bring your sword ,but not others ,:D

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