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    Resting
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    Quote (Wakeup @ May 08 2013,02:35)
    2Besee.

    You have just about quoted the whole bible,but with no understanding. So many scriptures you quoted contradicts your own believes. Let me just give one.

    Revelation 11:15
    Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, **The kingdom of the world has **become** the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ**, and **he *shall* reign for ever and ever**.

    AFTER ARMAGEDDON ONLY, WILL THE KINGDOM BE CHRISTS. ONLY THEN WILL HE REIGN FOR EVER AND EVER.
    BUT YOU SAY THAT HE HAS BEEN REIGNING FOR 2000YRS NOW.

    Please elaborate on just this piont.

    wakeup.


    Wakeup,

    The reign of Christ and the saints begins with his appearing followed by the first vial of wrath, not the seventh.

    Rev 6:15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
    Rev 6:16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:
    Rev 6:17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

    Res

    #343959
    2besee
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 08 2013,04:35)
    Revelation 11:15
    Then the seventh angel blew his trumpet, and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, **The kingdom of the world has **become** the kingdom of our Lord and of his Christ**, and **he *shall* reign for ever and ever**.

    AFTER ARMAGEDDON ONLY, WILL THE KINGDOM BE CHRISTS. ONLY THEN WILL HE REIGN FOR EVER AND EVER.

    Wakeup,

    Yes, at His coming, soon to happen.

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    BUT YOU SAY THAT HE HAS BEEN REIGNING FOR 2000YRS NOW.
    Please elaborate on just this piont.

    Reigning in heaven, and also reigning in the hearts and minds of those saved. His kingdom has NOT come yet. That happens when He returns.

    Rev 1
    [4] John to the seven churches that are in Asia:
    Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne,
    [5] and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the first-born of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth.
    To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood
    [6] and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

    [9] I John, your brother, who share with you in Jesus the tribulation and the kingdom and the patient endurance, was on the island called Patmos on account of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.  

    John on the Island of Patmos called Jesus the ruler of the kings on earth, and John said that Jesus made us a kingdom, priests to God the Father, to Him be glory and dominion forever and ever.
    The fact that they were then called saints and priests in the kingdom is reiterated further ahead in Revelation 5:10

    [8] And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints;
    [9] and they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy art thou to take the scroll and to open its seals,
    for thou wast slain and by thy blood didst ransom men for God
    from every tribe and tongue and people and nation,

    [10] and hast made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on earth.”

    When Jesus returns soon, then will be the eternal kingdom, when the sheep and the goats are separated and given their eternal destination, eternal life or eternal death.

    #343963
    Wakeup
    Participant

    2Besee.

    Are you saying that Christ is the king of babylon the great?
    Are we not to come out of babylon?

    [8] And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints;
    [9] and they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy art thou to take the scroll and to open its seals,
    for thou wast slain and by thy blood didst ransom men for God
    from every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
    [10] and hast made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and THEY **SHALL** REIGN ON THE EARTH**.

    THE WORD SHALL; IS IT PRESENT OR FUTURE?

    CHRIST INDEED WILL BE KING OF KINGS,BUT NOT IN BABYLON;BUT IN HIS KINGDOM.
    HE IS NOW SITTING ON THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, WAITING FOR GOD TO MAKE HIS ENEMIES HIS FOOTSTOOL.
    THAT HAS NOT HAPPEN UNTILL THE COMING.
    DECERNING THE SCRIPTURES YOU READ IS VERY IMPORTANT.

    CHRIST IS NOT THE AUTHOR OF CONFUSION,AND THAT IS WHAT BABYLON MEANS; CONFUSION.

    wakeup.

    #343967
    journey42
    Participant

    Resting,May wrote:

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    Journey,

    Let me get this straight as to what you's believe.

    Is it this–

    The false prophet is the leader of the ten kings but he pulls up three of them by the roots and wants man to worship the first beast of seven kings (left).

    Hi Resting,

    Not exactly.
    The false prophet (beast that comes out of the earth) is the leader of the ten kings, yes, and he is telling the world to worship the first beast before him (the beast that comes out of the sea with the….10 horns…).Concentrate on the 10 horns, the last kingdom, because all the others are gone already.  It's this last kingdom he wants us to obey.  Their rules and laws.

    The seven heads on the first beast are the 7 major empires since the beginning.
    1. Eygypt
    2. Assyria
    3. Babylon
    4. Medo-Persia
    5. Grecia
    6. Roman
    7. Britain …current empire still in power

    IT'S THIS 7TH EMPIRE WHICH WILL TURN INTO THE 8TH EMPIRE WHEN THEY REFORM AND RECEIVE POWER.

    Daniel 7:24   And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise; and another shall rise after them, and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
    Daniel 7:25  And “he” shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

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    The false prophet does all these miracles but he is really the secular head of the beast of 7 kings (left)


    He is the secular head of the empire with the 10 horns (10 kings) but I see where you are going.

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    The ten kings fight against Christ but only 7 kings are left, because the false prophet, the second beast who has two horns is not only the worker of miracles but is the secular leader as well and sits on the throne of the first beast of ten kings (but there are only seven kings left in actuallity.)


    Yes, I know he uproots three kings.  So that would leave seven kings.  I am not absolutely clear on this, because there could be 13 kings of the new world order, which would leave 10 by the time the false prophet takes out three kings
    What makes this unclear is that it says 10 horns on the last head.  So in my head I am seeing 10 kings final.  I could be wrong.  We have to wait and see.

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    The beast also does miracles, but due to it now being 7 kings left, and as the false prophet is their leader then all 10 minus 3 kings must do miracles as well but there is only two persons cast into hell by Christ at His coming.


    One person cast into hell, the False Prophet, and the system of the last empire.  All it's laws and rules and governing done away with.  That system never to return.  Babylon no more.

    #343970
    2besee
    Participant

    Wakeup,

    Are you a part of God's kingdom on Earth or are you a part of Babylon? You are either in one or in the other. Which one is it?

    Are you calling John a liar? John was not “in the spirit” when he wrote the introduction, and he said what he did.

    “John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne, and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the first-born of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
    I John, your brother, who share with you in Jesus the tribulation and the kingdom and the patient endurance, was on the island called Patmos on account of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.”

    That was literally speaking whereas the rest of Rev is SYMBOLICALLY WRITTEN.

    So:
    1) Which kingdom are you in/part of – God's or Satan's?
    2) Was John “lying”?

    #343977
    Resting
    Participant

    Quote (journey42 @ May 08 2013,12:00)

    Resting,May wrote:

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    Journey,

    Let me get this straight as to what you's believe.

    Is it this–

    The false prophet is the leader of the ten kings but he pulls up three of them by the roots and wants man to worship the first beast of seven kings (left).

    Hi Resting,

    Not exactly.
    The false prophet (beast that comes out of the earth) is the leader of the ten kings, yes, and he is telling the world to worship the first beast before him (the beast that comes out of the sea with the….10 horns…).Concentrate on the 10 horns, the last kingdom, because all the others are gone already.  It's this last kingdom he wants us to obey.  Their rules and laws.

    The seven heads on the first beast are the 7 major empires since the beginning.
    1. Eygypt
    2. Assyria
    3. Babylon
    4. Medo-Persia
    5. Grecia
    6. Roman
    7. Britain …current empire still in power

    IT'S THIS 7TH EMPIRE WHICH WILL TURN INTO THE 8TH EMPIRE WHEN THEY REFORM AND RECEIVE POWER.

    Daniel 7:24   And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise; and another shall rise after them, and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
    Daniel 7:25  And “he” shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

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    The false prophet does all these miracles but he is really the secular head of the beast of 7 kings (left)


    He is the secular head of the empire with the 10 horns (10 kings) but I see where you are going.

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    The ten kings fight against Christ but only 7 kings are left, because the false prophet, the second beast who has two horns is not only the worker of miracles but is the secular leader as well and sits on the throne of the first beast of ten kings (but there are only seven kings left in actuallity.)


    Yes, I know he uproots three kings.  So that would leave seven kings.  I am not absolutely clear on this, because there could be 13 kings of the new world order, which would leave 10 by the time the false prophet takes out three kings
    What makes this unclear is that it says 10 horns on the last head.  So in my head I am seeing 10 kings final.  I could be wrong.  We have to wait and see.

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    The beast also does miracles, but due to it now being 7 kings left, and as the false prophet is their leader then all 10 minus 3 kings must do miracles as well but there is only two persons cast into hell by Christ at His coming.


    One person cast into hell, the False Prophet, and the system of the last empire.  All it's laws and rules and governing done away with.  That system never to return.  Babylon no more.


    Wakeup said the little horn will uproot three Kings.

    You are right, The ten kings war against Christ at the end.

    So what three do you think the three kings are.

    Do you think it might be these—

    Dan 11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
    Dan 11:42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
    Dan 11:43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
    Dan 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

    Res.

    #343980
    2besee
    Participant

    Wakeup,

    Matthew 13

    [24] “The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field;
    [25] but while men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away.
    [26] So when the plants came up and bore grain, then the weeds appeared also.
    [27] And the servants of the householder came and said to him, `Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then has it weeds?'
    [28] He said to them, `An enemy has done this.' The servants said to him, `Then do you want us to go and gather them?'
    [29] But he said, `No; lest in gathering the weeds you root up the wheat along with them.
    [30] Let both grow together until the harvest; and at harvest time I will tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned, but gather the wheat into my barn.'”

    [37] “He who sows the good seed is the Son of man;
    [38] The field is the world, and the good seed means the sons of the kingdom; the weeds are the sons of the evil one,
    [39] and the enemy who sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels.
    [40] Just as the weeds are gathered and burned with fire, so will it be at the close of the age.
    [41] The Son of man will send his angels, and they will gather out of his kingdom all causes of sin and all evildoers,
    [42] and throw them into the furnace of fire; there men will weep and gnash their teeth.
    [43] Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.

    #343981
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (2besee @ May 08 2013,12:29)
    Wakeup,

    Are you a part of God's kingdom on Earth or are you a part of Babylon? You are either in one or in the other. Which one is it?

    Are you calling John a liar? John was not “in the spirit” when he wrote the introduction, and he said what he did.

    “John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne, and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the first-born of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood and made us a kingdom, priests to his God and Father, to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
    I John, your brother, who share with you in Jesus the tribulation and the kingdom and the patient endurance, was on the island called Patmos on account of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.”

    That was literally speaking whereas the rest of Rev is SYMBOLICALLY WRITTEN.

    So:
    1) Which kingdom are you in/part of – God's or Satan's?
    2) Was John “lying”?


    2Besee.

    Can you name the king saints ruling us now?
    Or just one king/can you?

    No you cant, cause you dont know any of them kings.
    You are in a kingdom with no kings that you can recognise.
    Only the true christians that knows Christ, accepts him as king over them;and these are just a few in number.
    But his actual physical kingdom is coming.

    **THY KINGDOM COME** THY WILL BE DONE *ON EARTH*.
    EARTH IS NOT HEAVEN.

    PS. No, John is not a liar;its just that you have misunderstood him.

    wakeup.

    #343984
    journey42
    Participant

    Resting,May wrote:

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    Wakeup said the little horn will uproot three Kings.

    You are right, The ten kings war against Christ at the end.

    So what three do you think the three kings are.

    Do you think it might be these—

    Dan 11:41  He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
    Dan 11:42  He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
    Dan 11:43  But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
    Dan 11:44  But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

    Res.


    Hi Resting

    No I don't think it's any of those countries he overthrows, because he uproots the three kings when he first comes into power.  By the time the false prophet goes into Israel he has been ruling for close to 3 1/2 years already.

    These three kings must be from the West because they are part of the 7th empire.  My instincts and gut feelings tell me that 2 of the kings will be the USA and England, but will have to wait and see.  The reason I think this is because Satan always uses whomever to serve his purposes, then disposes of them.  I know that the USA and England have been pushing for a NWO for a long time, and they have also been corrupt in their world politics.  These two kings, have been setting up the system, or you could say paving the way for this new reformation, but it could backfire on them.  They are being exposed for all the corruption going on and their dealings with the world bankers (Rothchilds, Rockafellers, & Morgans) who are secretly bankrupting the system we have now.  They own over 50% of the worlds wealth and control most of the media.    They cause wars so that they can go into a nation with the disguise of “Peace Keeping”, but have their own agenda.  They give false media reports and defame whoever's name to get the people on their side This is why the middle east hates them. Look what they did in Libya. How disgraceful.

    Those kings mentioned in Daniel have no major power or influence on a global scale, and are not part of the West.

    The USA is going bankrupted and they have sold their nation off.  Exploits are going on daily and the people of their nation are very angry about it.  The False prophet will give the people what they want in order to appease, and the people want this corruption gone.  He will be that man to bring in peace (false peace) for a short time.

    #343985
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (2besee @ May 08 2013,09:15)
    Journey, you missed out the love thy neighbor bit which is in Matthew 22:39.
    That is also the command in each of the other scriptures you presented (1Thes and 1John).

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    Acts 1:2   Until the day in which he was taken up, after that he through the Holy Ghost had given commandments unto the apostles whom he had chosen:

    That has nothing to do with the ten commandments, and you know that.

    You speak about the commandments of Jesus, somehow excluding God's ten commandments, but you ignore the command to water baptize, to the Jew and to the Gentile and try to teach others the same.

    If the ten commandments were done away with then why did Jesus say this (please take the time to read it again):

    Matthew 19:
    [16] And behold, one came up to him, saying, “Teacher, what good deed must I do, to have eternal life?”
    [17] And he said to him, “Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good. If you would enter life, keep the commandments.
    [18] He said to him, “Which?” And Jesus said, “You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness,
    [19] Honor your father and mother, and, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

    There, Jesus is telling the man WHICH commandments to keep (the ten commandments), not excluding what Jesus also added.

    [20] The young man said to him, “All these I have observed; what do I still lack?”
    [21] Jesus said to him, “If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven; and come, follow me.”

    How many people do things in life just to get ahead, or just to be liked, or just to gain something from somebody, when deep down they are the opposite of how they are presenting themselves to be on the outside.
    God knows this, and so that is why Jesus said that the law was not “done away with” but that it became a matter of 'within' as well as 'without', thoughts and true intentions which are deep and only God knows, as well as actions.

    Matthew 5
    [17] “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.
    [18] For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.
    [19] Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
    [20] For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

    [21] “You have heard that it was said to the men of old, `You shall not kill; and whoever kills shall be liable to judgment.'
    [22] But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, `You fool!' shall be liable to the hell of fire.
    [23] So if you are offering your gift at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you,
    [24] leave your gift there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.
    [25] Make friends quickly with your accuser, while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison;
    [26] truly, I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny.

    [27] “You have heard that it was said, `You shall not commit adultery.'
    [28] But I say to you that every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
    [29] If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell.
    [30] And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.

    [31] “It was also said, `Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.'
    [32] But I say to you that every one who divorces his wife, except on the ground of unchastity, makes her an adulteress; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

    [33] “Again you have heard that it was said to the men of old, `You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.'
    [34] But I say to you, Do not swear at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God,
    [35] or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King.
    [36] And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black.
    [37] Let what you say be simply `Yes' or `No'; anything more than this comes from evil.

    [38] “You have heard that it was said, `An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.'
    [39] But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also;
    [40] and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well;
    [41] and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.
    [42] Give to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you.

    [43] “You have heard that it was said, `You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.'
    [44] But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
    [45] so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
    [46]For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same?
    [47] And if you salute only your brethren, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?
    [48] You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.

    As you can see, the law became HARDER, definitely not “Done away with”
    Becaus
    e heaven and earth have not passed away yet.

    And you also missed those two verses that I gave you from Revelation.

    Revelation 12:17
    Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

    Revelations 14:12
    Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

    —————-

    So Journey, after reading all of this scripture, can you be honest, and say “We should obey the ten commandments plus the commandments of Jesus”.


    2Besse

    We are not under the 10 commandments. Think what you like of me, be holier than me if it makes you feel good, but I will not serve God according to your interpretation of the scriptures, and that's final. If you want to be under the curse of the law, then go for it. If I am wrong, then let God judge me accordingly.

    #343986
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Journey42, how do you interpret this verse?

    “Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments,
     and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but
     whosoever shall teach them and do them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matt. 5:19)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #343987
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (journey42 @ May 08 2013,12:00)
    Hi Resting,

    The seven heads on the first beast are the 7 major empires since the beginning.
    1. Eygypt
    2. Assyria
    3. Babylon
    4. Medo-Persia
    5. Grecia
    6. Roman
    7. Britain …current empire still in power

    IT'S THIS 7TH EMPIRE WHICH WILL TURN INTO THE 8TH EMPIRE WHEN THEY REFORM AND RECEIVE POWER.


    Hi Journey42,

    1. Egypt
    2. Assyria
    3. Babylon
    4. Medo-Persia
    5. Grecian
    6. Roman
    7. Ottoman (deadly wound)             8. Muhammadin islam   
                                                     (the deadly wound was healed)   
    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #344001
    journey42
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ May 09 2013,00:13)

    Quote (journey42 @ May 08 2013,12:00)
    Hi Resting,

    The seven heads on the first beast are the 7 major empires since the beginning.
    1. Eygypt
    2. Assyria
    3. Babylon
    4. Medo-Persia
    5. Grecia
    6. Roman
    7. Britain …current empire still in power

    IT'S THIS 7TH EMPIRE WHICH WILL TURN INTO THE 8TH EMPIRE WHEN THEY REFORM AND RECEIVE POWER.


    Hi Journey42,

    1. Egypt
    2. Assyria
    3. Babylon
    4. Medo-Persia
    5. Grecian
    6. Roman
    7. Ottoman (deadly wound)             8. Muhammadin islam   
                                                     (the deadly wound was healed)   
    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    Hi Ed

    There is no doubt that the ottoman empire existed.
    There is also no doubt that the British empire sprang up out of the Roman empire.
    The British empire is the largest and strongest empire ever to emerge
    No one has ever conquered British empire. They are still ruling and will transform.
    It's the West we have to be weary of.
    They are the oppressors.
    They are the ones who are changing all our laws.

    #344019
    Resting
    Participant

    Quote (journey42 @ May 08 2013,22:59)

    Resting,May wrote:

    [/quote]

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    Wakeup said the little horn will uproot three Kings.

    You are right, The ten kings war against Christ at the end.

    So what three do you think the three kings are.

    Do you think it might be these—

    Dan 11:41  He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
    Dan 11:42  He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
    Dan 11:43  But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
    Dan 11:44  But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

    Res.


    Hi Resting

    No I don't think it's any of those countries he overthrows, because he uproots the three kings when he first comes into power.  By the time the false prophet goes into Israel he has been ruling for close to 3 1/2 years already.

    These three kings must be from the West because they are part of the 7th empire.  My instincts and gut feelings tell me that 2 of the kings will be the USA and England, but will have to wait and see.  The reason I think this is because Satan always uses whomever to serve his purposes, then disposes of them.  I know that the USA and England have been pushing for a NWO for a long time, and they have also been corrupt in their world politics.  These two kings, have been setting up the system, or you could say paving the way for this new reformation, but it could backfire on them.  They are being exposed for all the corruption going on and their dealings with the world bankers (Rothchilds, Rockafellers, & Morgans) who are secretly bankrupting the system we have now.  They own over 50% of the worlds wealth and control most of the media.    They cause wars so that they can go into a nation with the disguise of “Peace Keeping”, but have their own agenda.  They give false media reports and defame whoever's name to get the people on their side This is why the middle east hates them.  Look what they did in Libya.  How disgraceful.

    Those kings mentioned in Daniel have no major power or influence on a global scale, and are not part of the West.

    The USA is going bankrupted and they have sold their nation off.  Exploits are going on daily and the people of their nation are very angry about it.  The False prophet will give the people what they want in order to appease, and the people want this corruption gone.  He will be that man to bring in peace (false peace) for a short time.


    Journey,

    What do you think of the possibility of The USA as main leader of Nato in conjunction with Israel, taking out Syria and establishing their rule over all the middle east with the exception of some compliant regimes and then striking Iran and Pakistan.

    Dan 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
    Dan 11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
    Dan 11:42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
    Dan 11:43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
    Dan 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

    Res.

    #344021
    2besee
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 08 2013,17:06)
    No you cant, cause you dont know any of them kings.
    You are in a kingdom with no kings that you can recognise.
    Only the true christians that knows Christ, accepts him as  king over them;and these are just a few in number.

    wakeup.

    Wakeup,

    Do you know what the word 'cultist' means?

    Do you believe that you or your two followers are/will be the two witnesses of Revelation?

    Do you have guns and ammunition ready for what is to come?

    #344022
    2besee
    Participant

    Quote (journey42 @ May 09 2013,01:04)
    We are not under the 10 commandments.  Think what you like of me, be holier than me if it makes you feel good, but I will not serve God according to your interpretation of the scriptures, and that's final.  If you want to be under the curse of the law, then go for it.  If I am wrong, then let God judge me accordingly.

    Why do you think Jesus says one day to some “away from me you workers of lawlessness“?

    For one to be 'lawless', there has to be a law!!

    Believe whatever you want to.

    #344025
    2besee
    Participant

    Quote (Resting @ May 09 2013,18:18)

    Dan 11:43  But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.
    Dan 11:44  But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him: therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.

    Res,

    When you read Dan 11:43-44, the only place that springs to mind is the USA (and their allies)

    Babylon rides the beast.

    Mystery Babylon where all the righteous blood was shed on earth, Jesus said all the righteous blood was on Jerusalem.

    Matthew 23:35    
    Revelation 18:10 -24  

    The early church writings all spoke of the Jews being regathered into their nayion at the end, this being where the Antichrist would come from, according to them (Early Church fathers).

    Here is something I thought of ages ago.

    “The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction”

    European Union… [.. G7/G8..?]

    From Wikipedia:

    “The forum originated with a 1975 summit hosted by France that brought together representatives of six governments: France, Germany, Italy, Japan, the United Kingdom, and the United States, thus leading to the name Group of Six or G6. The summit became known as the Group of Seven or G7 the following year with the addition of Canada. The G7, that is active even after the creation of the G8, is composed by 7 of 8 (China is excluded because of its low net wealth per capita) of the wealthiest countries on Earth (as net wealth and not GDP). In 1997, Russia was added to the group which then became known as the G8.”

    HOW do you put it all together?

    #344028
    2besee
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ May 09 2013,02:07)
    Hi Journey42, how do you interpret this verse?

    “Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments,
     and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but
     whosoever shall teach them and do them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” (Matt. 5:19)

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    Ed,

    They don't 'interpret it' they 'ignore it', and they believe that only they have the truth and we are all doomed to hell, unless we listen to their doctrine, rather than listen to God.

    I would rather listen to God, wouldn't you?

    #344029
    2besee
    Participant

    Repent Wakeup and Journey, for the Kingdom of God is at hand. He is at the gates. Fear God and give Him glory.

    #344030
    Resting
    Participant

    Quote (2besee @ May 09 2013,20:16)
    Repent Wakeup and Journey, for the Kingdom of God is at hand. He is at the gates. Fear God and give Him glory.


    2 besee,

    You are being confrontationist, the very thing you do not like to see in other people.

    You have a view, you are free to share it, so are other people.

    Res.

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