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Wakeup,
If the bible is speaking of one man then it is not the false prophet.
Mankind was not deceived by Jim Jones or Waco but the wicked are deceived by the last world empire and its leader.
On another note.
Obama wants equal trade etc with Mexico.
I think Obama will get dumpted one way or another.
Restricting guns will only mean the wicked will have them.
The cops will not be able to enforce gun control now, it is too late. The USA is built on guns, guns and more guns of all sizes right up to the big bomb.
No one wants Obama anymore. He is all talk and the wrong sort of talk.
The west is so divided within and every step they make is one worse step.
If a revolt occured in the USA like in Syria then we know what they would do.
Res.
Quote (Resting @ May 04 2013,22:00) Wakeup, If the bible is speaking of one man then it is not the false prophet.
Mankind was not deceived by Jim Jones or Waco but the wicked are deceived by the last world empire and its leader.
On another note.
Obama wants equal trade etc with Mexico.
I think Obama will get dumpted one way or another.
Restricting guns will only mean the wicked will have them.
The cops will not be able to enforce gun control now, it is too late. The USA is built on guns, guns and more guns of all sizes right up to the big bomb.
No one wants Obama anymore. He is all talk and the wrong sort of talk.
The west is so divided within and every step they make is one worse step.
If a revolt occured in the USA like in Syria then we know what they would do.
Res.
Resting.The one man is also the son of perdition.
He will be revealed when his time comes.
He will be consumed by the brightness of the coming.
2thess.2:4. addressed him as *HE*.2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth **himself** above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that **he** as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing **himself** that **he** is God.
You can not interpret that as people.
RE' the gun laws in the U.S. I agree with you,I think obama will be impeached. But Gods prophecy will be fulfilled.
The two horned beast out of the earth will cause all to receive his mark. He is the false mesiah,and he also will be accepted by the muslem world.
The west;the jewish leaders; and the muslem leaders, are working together as partners, to bring this agenda to place.First they must create chaos,and then he will be revealed,and he will bring peace.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 05 2013,00:40) Quote (Resting @ May 04 2013,22:00) Wakeup, If the bible is speaking of one man then it is not the false prophet.
Mankind was not deceived by Jim Jones or Waco but the wicked are deceived by the last world empire and its leader.
On another note.
Obama wants equal trade etc with Mexico.
I think Obama will get dumpted one way or another.
Restricting guns will only mean the wicked will have them.
The cops will not be able to enforce gun control now, it is too late. The USA is built on guns, guns and more guns of all sizes right up to the big bomb.
No one wants Obama anymore. He is all talk and the wrong sort of talk.
The west is so divided within and every step they make is one worse step.
If a revolt occured in the USA like in Syria then we know what they would do.
Res.
Resting.The one man is also the son of perdition.
He will be revealed when his time comes.
He will be consumed by the brightness of the coming.
2thess.2:4. addressed him as *HE*.2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth **himself** above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that **he** as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing **himself** that **he** is God.
You can not interpret that as people.
RE' the gun laws in the U.S. I agree with you,I think obama will be impeached. But Gods prophecy will be fulfilled.
The two horned beast out of the earth will cause all to receive his mark. He is the false mesiah,and he also will be accepted by the muslem world.
The west;the jewish leaders; and the muslem leaders, are working together as partners, to bring this agenda to place.First they must create chaos,and then he will be revealed,and he will bring peace.
wakeup.
The he, is the spirit, which sits in the fallen churches calling himself God.In the case of the second beast of Rev.ch 13 it is a whole nation of people led by Jews, Roman Catholics, and fallen evangelicals–
Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
Rev 12:4 And his tail (pro phets)drew the third part of the stars of heaven, (the evangelical church) and did cast them to the earth:(from their calling)It is from the USA (not every person) who misleads the world with its space travel, bombs, technology, porno, etc .
The other signs and wonders are during the 6th vial with the purpose of deceiving nations to go against the returned saints and the gathered of Israel. A later event.
You should consider this.
It is the first beast (the 10 kings) who the USA works toward man worshipping (the nations united).
That is the ploy.
When satan is revealed then satan goes after the worshippers of the God of Heaven to make them worship the nations united and its riches. (mans gold 666)
Res
The man of sin in 2nd Thess takes the place of the Holy Spirit.
2Thes.2
[1] Now concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our assembling to meet him, we beg you, brethren,
[2] not to be quickly shaken in mind or excited, either by spirit or by word, or by letter purporting to be from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.
[3] Let no one deceive you in any way; for that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of perdition,
[4] who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.The temple is the BODY. This has nothing to do with a Temple of Stone. You should know that the new Temple is the body.
[5] Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you this?
[6] And you know what is restraining him now so that he may be revealed in his time.The restrainer has to be the Holy Spirit.
[7] For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only he who now restrains it will do so until he is out of the way.
This is a SCARY thought. We are at risk of the Holy Spirit being removed,
And something taking it's place, the man on sin.[8] And then the lawless one will be revealed, and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of his mouth and destroy him by his appearing and his coming.
[9] The coming of the lawless one by the activity of Satan will be with all power and with pretended signs and wonders,
[10] and with all wicked deception for those who are to perish, because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.Kundalini warning Andrew Strom (scary stuff – Google it).
[11] Therefore God sends upon them a strong delusion, to make them believe what is false,
[12] so that all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
[13] But we are bound to give thanks to God always for you, brethren beloved by the Lord, because God chose you from the beginning to be saved, through sanctification by the Spirit and belief in the truth.
[14] To this he called you through our gospel, so that you may obtain the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
[15] So then, brethren, stand firm and hold to the traditions which you were taught by us, either by word of mouth or by letter.
[16] Now may our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God our Father, who loved us and gave us eternal comfort and good hope through grace,
[17] comfort your hearts and establish them in every good work and word.I am quoting a man here Jim Gables:
“The kingdom which Jesus setup at His first coming began as a small mustard seed and grows steadily larger (The parable of the mustard seed) but at the same time evil grows proportionally faster. Good and evil will coexist and grow side by side until the harvest which Jesus said would be the end of the world (Matthew 13). Thus this position of the parable of the mustard seed is the kingdom of Jesus Christ advancing, continually growing, but at the same time there is an evil kingdom that is growing proportionally faster, and both of these kingdoms will be progressing onward side by side parallel until the second advent which is the harvest which takes place at the end of the world.” Unquote.
I do not like to talk about visions on this forum because a few people are too judgmental of visions that do not agree with their view but I believe that there is a huge beast consuming the world and that is the kingdom of evil. That is I believe the kingdom of Satan, the kingdom which was sown a long time ago, and continues to grow and grow and we have to watch out that we do not become a part of it because we are in amongst it as wheat is in amongst weeds. Before the return of Christ, like a garden, the weeds would have almost choked and killed the wheat.
As I said, Revelations is a book that I knew from the beginning was not in any type of chronological order and it recapitulated things.
How to fit it in to the first and second beast and the image of the beast with all of it's descriptions is difficult………….. but surely the beast must fit in with the above.2besee,May wrote:[/quote]
2 Thess 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called god, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.2Besse
Is the temple of God situated in the unbelievers?
Those that worship this man will not be worshiping God. So how can their “temple” be defiled, if they have not this temple of God inside them in the first place?
You are reading it wrong. By this man sitting in the temple of God, he is replacing God and all that is worshiped. So it is a spiritual meaning. He's taking God's seat because he has deceived the world into worshiping him.
He also happens to make himself a temple to sit in. This is not God's temple. It's his temple, but what he's doing is an abomination to God.
So the Son of Perdition, the false prophet (one man) will be sitting in God's seat for 3 1/2 years, but will be cut down. That seat belongs to the true God. Only the true God can be worshiped. This is that temple he defiles.
Journey,
No,
The man of sin takes his seat in the temple of GOD not, as you say, “in his own temple”.True Greek:
- 'the opposes and exalts above every so called god or object of worship, so as is in the temple of God sit, setting forth itself, that “I am” exist God.'
http://biblos.com/2_thessalonians/2-4.htm
This has to do with the apostasy – the falling away which has to do with believers – Christians, and cannot be the unbelievers, as you say.
How can unbelievers fall away, if it is as you say?
2besee,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote This has to do with the apostasy – the falling away which has to do with believers – Christians, and cannot be the unbelievers, as you say.
2Besse
This has to do with everybody.Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads.
The falling away is only a sign for us to go by. When this happens, he will come. The falling away must come first, then the Son of Perdition will come. It's just a sign.
2 Thess 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first.
Falling away first, then he comes.
journey42,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote How can unbelievers fall away, if it is as you say? What I said is that this man affects everybody. Not everybody has the “temple of God” in them.
you said;Quote The man of sin in 2nd Thess takes the place of the Holy Spirit.
The world don't have the holy spirit in the first place.you said;
Quote The temple is the BODY. This has nothing to do with a Temple of Stone. You should know that the new Temple is the body.
The world don't have this either, so how can their “temple” be defiled, when they don't have it in the first place?
Do you see what I am saying?
You are just narrowing this down to those of the falling away,
when in fact this involves the whole world of Babylon.so it must mean only one thing….
The Son of Perdition (false prophet) is taking God's place, causing ALL to worship him. He is sitting in God's position. Placing himself high up there to be worshiped. This shows us that he will be a “spiritual” leader also, because worship is involved. He will also be a secular leader, leading politics, and world laws.2 thess 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2 thess 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
2 thess 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousnessIf any christian gets deceived by this man, then they were not true christians in the first place, neither did they possess the holy spirit in the first place (spirit of truth) or else, they would of been prepared, so they will have their share in Babylon also, because they are part of it in God's eyes. Crying out that one is “saved” because he accepts Christ as his saviour is not going to help when the time comes if he goes the wrong way because of lack of knowledge. This is what it means to be naked. Christ warns everybody who says they love him, through God's word, but sadly it's only as a witness.
Rev 18:4 Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
Quote (journey42 @ May 05 2013,23:51) journey42,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote How can unbelievers fall away, if it is as you say? What I said is that this man affects everybody. Not everybody has the “temple of God” in them.
you said;Quote The man of sin in 2nd Thess takes the place of the Holy Spirit.
The world don't have the holy spirit in the first place.you said;
Quote The temple is the BODY. This has nothing to do with a Temple of Stone. You should know that the new Temple is the body.
The world don't have this either, so how can their “temple” be defiled, when they don't have it in the first place?
Do you see what I am saying?
You are just narrowing this down to those of the falling away,
when in fact this involves the whole world of Babylon.so it must mean only one thing….
The Son of Perdition (false prophet) is taking God's place, causing ALL to worship him. He is sitting in God's position. Placing himself high up there to be worshiped. This shows us that he will be a “spiritual” leader also, because worship is involved. He will also be a secular leader, leading politics, and world laws.2 thess 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2 thess 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
2 thess 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousnessIf any christian gets deceived by this man, then they were not true christians in the first place, neither did they possess the holy spirit in the first place (spirit of truth) or else, they would of been prepared, so they will have their share in Babylon also, because they are part of it in God's eyes. Crying out that one is “saved” because he accepts Christ as his saviour is not going to help when the time comes if he goes the wrong way because of lack of knowledge. This is what it means to be naked. Christ warns everybody who says they love him, through God's word, but sadly it's only as a witness.
Rev 18:4 Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
any men that does not follow the truth of God is already deceived within is own mind and hearth ,beast or no beast =
power that satan uses in replacement of God,s kingdom .Quote (journey42 @ May 06 2013,06:51) Quote (journey42 @ May 06 2013,04:36) Quote How can unbelievers fall away, if it is as you say? What I said is that this man affects everybody. Not everybody has the “temple of God” in them.
you said;Quote The man of sin in 2nd Thess takes the place of the Holy Spirit.
The world don't have the holy spirit in the first place.you said;
Quote The temple is the BODY. This has nothing to do with a Temple of Stone. You should know that the new Temple is the body.
The world don't have this either, so how can their “temple” be defiled, when they don't have it in the first place?
Do you see what I am saying?
You are just narrowing this down to those of the falling away,
when in fact this involves the whole world of Babylon.so it must mean only one thing….
The Son of Perdition (false prophet) is taking God's place, causing ALL to worship him. He is sitting in God's position. Placing himself high up there to be worshiped. This shows us that he will be a “spiritual” leader also, because worship is involved. He will also be a secular leader, leading politics, and world laws.2 thess 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2 thess 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.
2 thess 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousnessIf any christian gets deceived by this man, then they were not true christians in the first place, neither did they possess the holy spirit in the first place (spirit of truth) or else, they would of been prepared, so they will have their share in Babylon also, because they are part of it in God's eyes. Crying out that one is “saved” because he accepts Christ as his saviour is not going to help when the time comes if he goes the wrong way because of lack of knowledge. This is what it means to be naked. Christ warns everybody who says they love him, through God's word, but sadly it's only as a witness.
Rev 18:4 Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
I have to disagree with you again there Journey.I believe that the son of perdition the man of sin takes his seat spiritually in the human body the temple of God and this is the falling away of believers, Christians. It has nothing to do with Muslims, Jews, or Atheists, etc. This is definitely I believe the falling away of the Church just before the end.
The signs are there. Just look at these weird things happening today in the Churches. First of all look at the Catholic Church. Then look at the Anglicans. They have gays as Priests. Look at what has happened in the pentecostal Churches. They are literally hitting the floor in fits of laughter making animal noises showing the same signs of the body jerking as is seen in “kundalini”. Kundalini is Hindu, it is called the “inner serpent”. What is the saying in Kundalini? Something like “The only SIN is to believe that SIN exists”. These people are leaving these meetings suffering all types of strange sinful feelings, and even Hindus are left wondering how this is happening.
So many people are looking for a man to sit in a temple of stone. I honestly believe that this is a way of AVOIDING what could be true.
We should know that the Temple of God is the Body and the word apostasy means a falling away and this can only mean the Church.
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I can not see the connection as most do to the “beast” and it's image in Revelations nor Babylon. I feel that the Beast and Babylon has more to do with the world itself. Of course, those who fall away will fall away into Babylon/the beast.
Journey, do YOU not believe that the ten commandments were “done away with” or was that somebody else? If it was you….. SEE, that is avoiding what Jesus said concerning the commandments of God, and AVOIDING the fact that the commandments being 'bound' as a sign on the right hand and the forehead (in the Old Testement) connecting with the same sign in Revelations – by making it a literal sign, you are AVOIDING the truth that it may be an invisible mark, just as the seal of God is invisible. Again, you and others say that baptism has nothing to do with salvation when it could be a part of the seal of God. Avoidance!!
Quote (journey42 @ May 05 2013,20:43) 2besee,May wrote:[/quote]
2 Thess 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called god, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.2Besse
Is the temple of God situated in the unbelievers?
Those that worship this man will not be worshiping God. So how can their “temple” be defiled, if they have not this temple of God inside them in the first place?
You are reading it wrong. By this man sitting in the temple of God, he is replacing God and all that is worshiped. So it is a spiritual meaning. He's taking God's seat because he has deceived the world into worshiping him.
He also happens to make himself a temple to sit in. This is not God's temple. It's his temple, but what he's doing is an abomination to God.
So the Son of Perdition, the false prophet (one man) will be sitting in God's seat for 3 1/2 years, but will be cut down. That seat belongs to the true God. Only the true God can be worshiped. This is that temple he defiles.
It is the Temple of God, the Sanctuary of God, the churches, which fall away BEFORE the wicked one is revealed.The revealing of the wicked one (the devil) is by his casting out from among the faithful believers, but the establishments themselves remain and then are destroyed by the ten kings.
This is the order established by precedent and Rev.12.
Res.
Quote (Resting @ May 06 2013,10:29) Quote (journey42 @ May 05 2013,20:43) Quote (2besee @ May 05 2013,11:07)
2 Thess 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called god, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.2Besse
Is the temple of God situated in the unbelievers?
Those that worship this man will not be worshiping God. So how can their “temple” be defiled, if they have not this temple of God inside them in the first place?
You are reading it wrong. By this man sitting in the temple of God, he is replacing God and all that is worshiped. So it is a spiritual meaning. He's taking God's seat because he has deceived the world into worshiping him.
He also happens to make himself a temple to sit in. This is not God's temple. It's his temple, but what he's doing is an abomination to God.
So the Son of Perdition, the false prophet (one man) will be sitting in God's seat for 3 1/2 years, but will be cut down. That seat belongs to the true God. Only the true God can be worshiped. This is that temple he defiles.
It is the Temple of God, the Sanctuary of God, the churches, which fall away BEFORE the wicked one is revealed.The revealing of the wicked one (the devil) is by his casting out from among the faithful believers, but the establishments themselves remain and then are destroyed by the ten kings.
This is the order established by precedent and Rev.12.
Res.
aniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on *his* part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.Daniel 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall *he* corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
Daniel 11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
Daniel 11:34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
Daniel 11:35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.
Daniel 11:36 And *the king* shall do according to *his* will; and he shall exalt *himself*, and magnify *himself* above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Daniel 11:37 Neither shall *he* regard the God of *his* fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for *he* shall magnify himself above all.
Daniel 11:38 But in *his* estate shall *he* honour the God of forces: and a god whom *his* fathers knew not shall *he* honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
Daniel 11:39 Thus shall *he* do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom *he* shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and *he* shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
Daniel 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at *him*: and the *king of the north* shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and *he* shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
Daniel 11:41 *He* shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of *his* hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
Daniel 11:42 *He* shall stretch forth *his* hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
Daniel 11:43 But *he* shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at *his* steps.
Daniel 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble *him*: therefore *he* shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of *his* palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet *he* shall come to *his* end, and none shall help *him*.
*HE*, *HIM*, *HIS* *HE IS A KING*,*HE IS A *MAN*.
wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 06 2013,15:37) Quote (Resting @ May 06 2013,10:29) Quote (journey42 @ May 05 2013,20:43) Quote (2besee @ May 05 2013,11:07)
2 Thess 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called god, or that is worshiped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.2Besse
Is the temple of God situated in the unbelievers?
Those that worship this man will not be worshiping God. So how can their “temple” be defiled, if they have not this temple of God inside them in the first place?
You are reading it wrong. By this man sitting in the temple of God, he is replacing God and all that is worshiped. So it is a spiritual meaning. He's taking God's seat because he has deceived the world into worshiping him.
He also happens to make himself a temple to sit in. This is not God's temple. It's his temple, but what he's doing is an abomination to God.
So the Son of Perdition, the false prophet (one man) will be sitting in God's seat for 3 1/2 years, but will be cut down. That seat belongs to the true God. Only the true God can be worshiped. This is that temple he defiles.
It is the Temple of God, the Sanctuary of God, the churches, which fall away BEFORE the wicked one is revealed.The revealing of the wicked one (the devil) is by his casting out from among the faithful believers, but the establishments themselves remain and then are destroyed by the ten kings.
This is the order established by precedent and Rev.12.
Res.
aniel 11:31 And arms shall stand on *his* part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.Daniel 11:32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall *he* corrupt by flatteries: but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits.
Daniel 11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.
Daniel 11:34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries.
Daniel 11:35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.
Daniel 11:36 And *the king* shall do according to *his* will; and he shall exalt *himself*, and magnify *himself* above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.
Daniel 11:37 Neither shall *he* regard the God of *his* fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for *he* shall magnify himself above all.
Daniel 11:38 But in *his* estate shall *he* honour the God of forces: and a god whom *his* fathers knew not shall *he* honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things.
Daniel 11:39 Thus shall *he* do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom *he* shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and *he* shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.
Daniel 11:40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at *him*: and the *king of the north* shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and *he* shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over.
Daniel 11:41 *He* shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of *his* hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.
Daniel 11:42 *He* shall stretch forth *his* hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape.
Daniel 11:43 But *he* shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at *his* steps.
Daniel 11:44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble *him*: therefore *he* shall go forth with great fury to destroy, and utterly to make away many.
Daniel 11:45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of *his* palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet *he* shall come to *his* end, and none shall help *him*.
*HE*, *HIM*, *HIS* *HE IS A KING*,*HE IS A *MAN*.
wakeup.
Wakeup,All those refer to the governmental head of the ten kings, not to the false prophet.
The false prophet causes men to worship the first beast, not himself.
Res.
Hi Resting.
Daniel 7:20 And of the **ten horns** that were in his head, and of **the other** which came up, and before whom three fell; even of **that horn that had eyes**, and a **mouth** that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than ***his fellows***.
Daniel 7:21 I beheld, and the **same horn** made war with the saints, and prevailed against them.
**THE LITTLE HORN WITH EYES AND MOUTH IS A MAN**Horns=kings
beasts=kingdoms.
A wicked king can also be called a beast of a king;or an animal of a man.
Satan is called the dragon;also a beast.wakeup.
Quote (Wakeup @ May 06 2013,20:10) Hi Resting. Daniel 7:20 And of the **ten horns** that were in his head, and of **the other** which came up, and before whom three fell; even of **that horn that had eyes**, and a **mouth** that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than ***his fellows***.
Daniel 7:21 I beheld, and the **same horn** made war with the saints, and prevailed against them.
**THE LITTLE HORN WITH EYES AND MOUTH IS A MAN**Horns=kings
beasts=kingdoms.
A wicked king can also be called a beast of a king;or an animal of a man.
Satan is called the dragon;also a beast.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast , whose deadly wound was healed.It is the first beast that the second beast wants all men to worship. Not himself. Dan 11 deals with the first beast, not the false prophet.
Secondly–
The lying signs and wonders of the 6th vial are done by the dragon, beast , and false prophet, but you have it that only the false prophet does that.
You have the 6th vial before Christ returns and that is wrong, for Christ is in Jerusalem with the saints (Ez.12)
Only the false prophet does the lying wonders of Rev.ch 13 before Christ returns and they are bombs (fire from heaven)
space travel, sciences, gene engineering etc.The second beast of Rev.13 is a corporate body of people like as the singular Bride of Christ.
It is the clash of brides before Christ returns.
Res.
Journey.
I am not saying that there will not be a man sitting in a temple of stone, and I am not saying that there will not be a 'literal' mark of some type.
What I am saying to you, and have from the beginning, is this:
Firstly, obey the commandments of God. Then, if it is only spiritual, you have obeyed. (Mark 12:28-34, and Rev 12:17 and Rev 14:12)
If it is literal, then you have the foundations to endure anything literal.If it is literal, nothing is literal – without the spiritual as well.
For example, sin begins in the mind and heart, before it becomes a literal action, see my point?Spiritual first – literal after.
Quote (Resting @ May 06 2013,20:41) Quote (Wakeup @ May 06 2013,20:10) Hi Resting. Daniel 7:20 And of the **ten horns** that were in his head, and of **the other** which came up, and before whom three fell; even of **that horn that had eyes**, and a **mouth** that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than ***his fellows***.
Daniel 7:21 I beheld, and the **same horn** made war with the saints, and prevailed against them.
**THE LITTLE HORN WITH EYES AND MOUTH IS A MAN**Horns=kings
beasts=kingdoms.
A wicked king can also be called a beast of a king;or an animal of a man.
Satan is called the dragon;also a beast.wakeup.
Hi Wakeup,Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
Rev 13:12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast , whose deadly wound was healed.It is the first beast that the second beast wants all men to worship. Not himself. Dan 11 deals with the first beast, not the false prophet.
Secondly–
The lying signs and wonders of the 6th vial are done by the dragon, beast , and false prophet, but you have it that only the false prophet does that.
You have the 6th vial before Christ returns and that is wrong, for Christ is in Jerusalem with the saints (Ez.12)
Only the false prophet does the lying wonders of Rev.ch 13 before Christ returns and they are bombs (fire from heaven)
space travel, sciences, gene engineering etc.The second beast of Rev.13 is a corporate body of people like as the singular Bride of Christ.
It is the clash of brides before Christ returns.
Res.
Resting.The 10 horns(kings) will come first to establish the kingdom;then the little horn will come up soon later; and he will endorse the 7kings and uproot the 3kings.(he has the power to do this).
He will force the new system to the population,and place some strict penalties,such as death.
All must worship the new system and image,and him as god.
He will be the king,and call himself God.He is the son of satan.wakeup.
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