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  • #342271
    Wakeup
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    Quote (2besee @ April 13 2013,23:51)
    Paul said “To be absent in the body is to be present with the Lord.”

    (The separation of the Body and the Spirit)

    1Cor15:21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him

    Jesus was the first to be resurrect (firstfruit), and so it will be for all of those who belong to Him.

    What happens to a man when they die?

    Ecc 12:7 “Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

    So add onto that what Jesus said,  

    “I am the resurrection and the life. The person who believes in me, even though he dies, will live.  26 Indeed, everyone who lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe that?”


    2Besee.

    Eery person good or bad, young or old,have the spirit of life from God. That spirit of life will go back to the giver,at death.

    Every person also has a lifetime of works behind him at death.
    Some good works,some bad works.
    It is the essence of a persons life(his soul), that is judged in the day of the court hearing.

    One can feel a persons vibration,either good vibrations or bad vibrations.
    So every person has the same spirit of life,but not the same soul,some are bad souls, and some are good souls.

    wakeup.

    #343288
    2besee
    Participant

    Wakeup,

    When I first started posting on here, I was posting whole chapters of the OT and connecting them with the NT. but you did not hear them, so I gave up.

    You think that I am ignorant of what is to come, no, far from it.
    I am ready for what is to come, both spiritually and mentally and physically, not only for myself but also for those around me including strangers.

    What will you do when it gets hard?  Will you 'hide yourself away' with your followers and a gun? Will you shoot that gun in order to protect yourself, or will you do what Jesus said and take care of the strangers, giving them their food at the proper time?  
    For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

    You think (correctly) that you will be in some type of a battle against evil. you look for a man to come, a world dictator, but that is all that you are setting your sight on. What you do not see is that the whole of humanity would have to go through it too, even those who take the mark (whatever it is). Jesus never came to destroy mans spirits, but to give them spirit. Jesus told us to love God first and foremost and then to love out neighbor. Do you understand what love of neighbor means? Who is your neighbor? I will tell you. Your neighbor is the afflicted widow and orphan, the addict, the miserable lonely poor man, the suffering child, the high, the humble.

    Your doctrine is truth? no. Jesus is truth. Compassion is what is of God. Not sinning and obeying the commands of God is truth.
    'Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their tribulation, and to keep oneself undefiled from the world.' James

    Just saying.

    #343321
    Resting
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ April 20 2013,01:16)

    Quote (2besee @ April 13 2013,23:51)
    Paul said “To be absent in the body is to be present with the Lord.”

    (The separation of the Body and the Spirit)

    1Cor15:21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him

    Jesus was the first to be resurrect (firstfruit), and so it will be for all of those who belong to Him.

    What happens to a man when they die?

    Ecc 12:7 “Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

    So add onto that what Jesus said,  

    “I am the resurrection and the life. The person who believes in me, even though he dies, will live.  26 Indeed, everyone who lives and believes in me will never die. Do you believe that?”


    2Besee.

    Eery person good or bad, young or old,have the spirit of life from God. That spirit of life will go back to the giver,at death.

    Every person also has a lifetime of works behind him at death.
    Some good works,some bad works.
    It is the essence of a persons life(his soul), that is judged in the day of the court hearing.

    One can feel a persons vibration,either good vibrations or bad vibrations.
    So every person has the same spirit of life,but not the same soul,some are bad souls, and some are good souls.

    wakeup.


    No.

    Your name must be written the book of life to be eternally saved.

    All but one person has a mix of good works and bad works but it is a matter of whether their good works are wrought in God or not.

    Res.

    #343329
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (2besee @ April 29 2013,10:54)
    Wakeup,

    When I first started posting on here, I was posting whole chapters of the OT and connecting them with the NT. but you did not hear them, so I gave up.

    You think that I am ignorant of what is to come, no, far from it.
    I am ready for what is to come, both spiritually and mentally and physically, not only for myself but also for those around me including strangers.

    What will you do when it gets hard?  Will you 'hide yourself away' with your followers and a gun? Will you shoot that gun in order to protect yourself, or will you do what Jesus said and take care of the strangers, giving them their food at the proper time?  
    For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

    You think (correctly) that you will be in some type of a battle against evil. you look for a man to come, a world dictator, but that is all that you are setting your sight on. What you do not see is that the whole of humanity would have to go through it too, even those who take the mark (whatever it is). Jesus never came to destroy mans spirits, but to give them spirit. Jesus told us to love God first and foremost and then to love out neighbor. Do you understand what love of neighbor means? Who is your neighbor? I will tell you. Your neighbor is the afflicted widow and orphan, the addict, the miserable lonely poor man, the suffering child, the high, the humble.

    Your doctrine is truth? no. Jesus is truth. Compassion is what is of God. Not sinning and obeying the commands of God is truth.
    'Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their tribulation, and to keep oneself undefiled from the world.' James

    Just saying.


    2Besee.

    Thank you for that sermon;now read my sermon.

    You say that you are ready to face the evil to come.
    You are so sure of your self,because you dont really know
    what is to come. You will see your children dying of starvation before your eyes.(if you have a family).

    You will be exposed to good smelling food,but can not have it; unles you bow down,and take the chip.
    How can you be prepared for whats coming ,if you dont know exactly what is coming.To believe that the mark is just a spiritual thing is another smooth talk,to get you into the trap by surprise.

    Even the very elect will be heavily shaken,and you say you are ready?
    They will employ neighbours to spy on neibours for money.
    They will shut down you water and electricity.

    Your car tank will be empty,no job,no bank account,no home,for they will take all your possessions,and put you in camps. Children separate,husbands separate and wifes separate.
    Rapings will be free for all.The worse an employee is the better for the government to come. They also will get promotions for doing the worse things.Woe to the good looking.

    Every empire needs to have a leader that will be heard and respected by the population.And HE will be *THE MAN*. THE SON OF THE DEVIL.THE FALSE PROPHET.
    He will be in charge of all the secular affairs(governing).
    And also in charche of the spiritual affairs(worship). Like what the pope is over the catholics.

    And this leader coming soon, will have the power of the dragon;and all the world will listen to him,like a favourite movie star that is adored and trusted by the world,because he will bring peace, and all smooth talk to deceive.

    WHEN THE TWO WITNESSES ARE KILLED; THE WORLD WILL REJOICE. WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT THE WORLD? THAT TELLS ME THAT THE WORLD IS ON THE BEAST SIDE.

    Now you can come out of your nice snooze besee.

    wakeup.

    #343336
    2besee
    Participant

    Wakeup, to be honest,

    I think that if I saw a person starving to death, especially a child, if their survival and protection from being put into some abusive governmental camp or program depended on me, and some chip, I would ask forgiveness and take the chip. (Greater love has no man than he who lays down his life for another).

    I do not however believe it would come to that, I think that is paranoia and a good distraction away from what could be the truth. As you wait for the chip, how do you not know that the mark is not spiritual, and you are missing that by waiting for something literal to come?

    Not saying you are wrong at all, just being honest.

    #343347
    Resting
    Participant

    2 besee,

    Rev 11:1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.
    Rev 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

    Rev 9:4 And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth, neither any green thing, neither any tree; but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.

    Rev 12:14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
    Rev 12:15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
    Rev 12:16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

    Psa 91:1 He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty.
    Psa 91:2 I will say of the LORD, He is my refuge and my fortress: my God; in him will I trust.
    Psa 91:3 Surely he shall deliver thee from the snare of the fowler, and from the noisome pestilence.
    Psa 91:4 He shall cover thee with his feathers, and under his wings shalt thou trust: his truth shall be thy shield and buckler.
    Psa 91:5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
    Psa 91:6 Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
    Psa 91:7 A thousand shall fall at thy side, and ten thousand at thy right hand; but it shall not come nigh thee.
    Psa 91:8 Only with thine eyes shalt thou behold and see the reward of the wicked.
    Psa 91:9 Because thou hast made the LORD, which is my refuge, even the most High, thy habitation;
    Psa 91:10 There shall no evil befall thee, neither shall any plague come nigh thy dwelling.
    Psa 91:11 For he shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee in all thy ways.

    Psa 37:12 The wicked plotteth against the just, and gnasheth upon him with his teeth.
    Psa 37:13 The Lord shall laugh at him: for he seeth that his day is coming.
    Psa 37:14 The wicked have drawn out the sword, and have bent their bow, to cast down the poor and needy, and to slay such as be of upright conversation.
    Psa 37:15 Their sword shall enter into their own heart, and their bows shall be broken.
    Psa 37:16 A little that a righteous man hath is better than the riches of many wicked.
    Psa 37:17 For the arms of the wicked shall be broken: but the LORD upholdeth the righteous.
    Psa 37:18 The LORD knoweth the days of the upright: and their inheritance shall be for ever.
    Psa 37:19 They shall not be ashamed in the evil time: and in the days of famine they shall be satisfied.

    Time to start believing God, Wakeup.

    #343350
    2besee
    Participant

    Res, I love those verses.

    #343353
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (2besee @ April 29 2013,20:32)
    Wakeup, to be honest,

    I think that if I saw a person starving to death, especially a child, if their survival and protection from being put into some abusive governmental camp or program depended on me, and some chip, I would ask forgiveness and take the chip. (Greater love has no man than he who lays down his life for another).

    I do not however believe it would come to that, I think that is paranoia and a good distraction away from what could be the truth. As you wait for the chip, how do you not know that the mark is not spiritual, and you are missing that by waiting for something literal to come?

    Not saying you are wrong at all, just being honest.


    2Besee.

    There you go,and you said you are ready?
    You love your brother or sister or father and mother more than God;you are not worthy of Jesus.As I said,its not going to be a picnic.

    You are saying that I am paranoid for preaching what I preach.

    There you go again,just as the preachers call the book of revelation a book of doom and gloom.

    I am not waiting for the chip;for it is here,waiting for that man the false prophet to enforce it to all the world.
    Was Daniels friends not forced to bow down to an image?
    Were they not cast in the fire? Was it a spiritual image?

    It is indeed a time of doom and gloom for the ones with no faith. But for the true believers it is a time of rejoicing.

    Besee; It will come soon,and it wont be a spiritual mark.
    There are many non spiritual people; so how are they effected by the mark? How can they be refused from buying and selling?

    Can you tell me?

    wakeup.

    #343362
    journey42
    Participant

    2besee,April wrote:

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    What will you do when it gets hard?  Will you 'hide yourself away' with your followers and a gun? Will you shoot that gun in order to protect yourself, or will you do what Jesus said and take care of the strangers, giving them their food at the proper time?


    2Besse

    How can we take care of strangers?  We will be the ones hungry for refusing the mark.  We will be the ones in need for not accepting the mark of the beast. It says no one can buy or sell unless we have the mark of the beast.  Well that's us. We can't buy or sell anymore full stop. We are prepared to give up all we have, all our luxuries and our families.  We will all be separated.  And we do this all because we will worship no other, only the Almighty Father and his son Jesus Christ.
    When the time comes, they will just come and get us.  We have to surrender knowing what we are facing for we are prepared.  We will be put in prison camps and most of us will be killed.  We are ready, and we are warning you guys to get ready too.  That is our main purpose for being on this site. Our no. 1 mission.

     

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    For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.


    If you only understood what this means.

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    You think (correctly) that you will be in some type of a battle against evil. you look for a man to come, a world dictator, but that is all that you are setting your sight on.

    We war against evil everyday by resisting temptation.  But the evil that is coming is not something we can shut out and say “depart from me you workers of iniquity, go away” They will not go away, and the NWO will give them the power to take us and do what they like to us.  We must be strong and face what is coming.  The Lord will be with us.

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    What you do not see is that the whole of humanity would have to go through it too, even those who take the mark (whatever it is).


    Yes they will have to go through it, but they will take the mark.  They will also have to go through all of the plagues, but our Lord has not left us in darkness.  The world is in darkness for they have no idea what is coming, but we know, for our Lord has showed us in the scriptures, and prepared us.

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    Jesus never came to destroy mans spirits, but to give them spirit.


    And that spirit is truth.  Good and bad.  With truth everything is exposed.  You think we are moody unhappy christians with no love, just stern words?  Well to you guys we have to be harsh.  We would rather rejoice with you, but many of you have been stubborn and trodden down every precious scripture of truth.  To encourage you to keep doing this would be wrong.  To niggle at you and stir you up out of your slumber seems right.

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    Jesus told us to love God first and foremost and then to love out neighbor. Do you understand what love of neighbor means? Who is your neighbor? I will tell you. Your neighbor is the afflicted widow and orphan, the addict, the miserable lonely poor man, the suffering child, the high, the humble.

    Love your neighbour now. We are your neighbours also.  Do you love us?
    Do what is acceptable to the Lord, but don't forget that faith without knowledge will lead you to taking the mark of the beast, thinking it's something else.  If you take the mark, you may end up being a survivor if the Lord spares you, but you will not be in the first resurrection.  This is where many will be gnashing their teeth, for they will live outside the kingdom.

    Luke 13:28   There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

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    Your doctrine is truth? no. Jesus is truth.


    Who do you think we got the scriptures from?

    #343371
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ April 29 2013,16:52)

    Quote (2besee @ April 29 2013,10:54)
    Wakeup,

    When I first started posting on here, I was posting whole chapters of the OT and connecting them with the NT. but you did not hear them, so I gave up.

    You think that I am ignorant of what is to come, no, far from it.
    I am ready for what is to come, both spiritually and mentally and physically, not only for myself but also for those around me including strangers.

    What will you do when it gets hard?  Will you 'hide yourself away' with your followers and a gun? Will you shoot that gun in order to protect yourself, or will you do what Jesus said and take care of the strangers, giving them their food at the proper time?  
    For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

    You think (correctly) that you will be in some type of a battle against evil. you look for a man to come, a world dictator, but that is all that you are setting your sight on. What you do not see is that the whole of humanity would have to go through it too, even those who take the mark (whatever it is). Jesus never came to destroy mans spirits, but to give them spirit. Jesus told us to love God first and foremost and then to love out neighbor. Do you understand what love of neighbor means? Who is your neighbor? I will tell you. Your neighbor is the afflicted widow and orphan, the addict, the miserable lonely poor man, the suffering child, the high, the humble.

    Your doctrine is truth? no. Jesus is truth. Compassion is what is of God. Not sinning and obeying the commands of God is truth.
    'Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their tribulation, and to keep oneself undefiled from the world.' James

    Just saying.


    2Besee.

    Thank you for that sermon;now read my sermon.

    You say that you are ready to face the evil to come.
    You are so sure of your self,because you dont really know
    what is to come. You will see your children dying of starvation before your eyes.(if you have a family).

    You will be exposed to good smelling food,but can not have it; unles you bow down,and take the chip.
    How can you be prepared for whats coming ,if you dont know exactly what is coming.To believe that the mark is just a spiritual thing is another smooth talk,to get you into the trap by surprise.

    Even the very elect will be heavily shaken,and you say you are ready?
    They will employ neighbours to spy on neibours for money.
    They will shut down you water and electricity.

    Your car tank will be empty,no job,no bank account,no home,for they will take all your possessions,and put you in camps. Children separate,husbands separate and wifes separate.
    Rapings will be free for all.The worse an employee is the better for the government to come. They also will get promotions for doing the worse things.Woe to the good looking.

    Every empire needs to have a leader that will be heard and respected by the population.And HE will be *THE MAN*. THE SON OF THE DEVIL.THE FALSE PROPHET.
    He will be in charge of all the secular affairs(governing).
    And also in charche of the spiritual affairs(worship). Like what the pope is over the catholics.

    And this leader coming soon, will have the power of the dragon;and all the world will listen to him,like a favourite movie star that is adored and trusted by the world,because he will bring peace, and all smooth talk to deceive.

    WHEN THE TWO WITNESSES ARE KILLED; THE WORLD WILL REJOICE. WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT THE WORLD? THAT TELLS ME THAT THE WORLD IS ON THE BEAST SIDE.

    Now you can come out of your nice snooze besee.

    wakeup.


    Wow, what a fantasy story. The bible says no such thing.

    #343379
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2013,04:05)

    Quote (Wakeup @ April 29 2013,16:52)

    Quote (2besee @ April 29 2013,10:54)
    Wakeup,

    When I first started posting on here, I was posting whole chapters of the OT and connecting them with the NT. but you did not hear them, so I gave up.

    You think that I am ignorant of what is to come, no, far from it.
    I am ready for what is to come, both spiritually and mentally and physically, not only for myself but also for those around me including strangers.

    What will you do when it gets hard?  Will you 'hide yourself away' with your followers and a gun? Will you shoot that gun in order to protect yourself, or will you do what Jesus said and take care of the strangers, giving them their food at the proper time?  
    For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.

    You think (correctly) that you will be in some type of a battle against evil. you look for a man to come, a world dictator, but that is all that you are setting your sight on. What you do not see is that the whole of humanity would have to go through it too, even those who take the mark (whatever it is). Jesus never came to destroy mans spirits, but to give them spirit. Jesus told us to love God first and foremost and then to love out neighbor. Do you understand what love of neighbor means? Who is your neighbor? I will tell you. Your neighbor is the afflicted widow and orphan, the addict, the miserable lonely poor man, the suffering child, the high, the humble.

    Your doctrine is truth? no. Jesus is truth. Compassion is what is of God. Not sinning and obeying the commands of God is truth.
    'Religion that is pure and undefiled before God, the Father, is this: to visit orphans and widows in their tribulation, and to keep oneself undefiled from the world.' James

    Just saying.


    2Besee.

    Thank you for that sermon;now read my sermon.

    You say that you are ready to face the evil to come.
    You are so sure of your self,because you dont really know
    what is to come. You will see your children dying of starvation before your eyes.(if you have a family).

    You will be exposed to good smelling food,but can not have it; unles you bow down,and take the chip.
    How can you be prepared for whats coming ,if you dont know exactly what is coming.To believe that the mark is just a spiritual thing is another smooth talk,to get you into the trap by surprise.

    Even the very elect will be heavily shaken,and you say you are ready?
    They will employ neighbours to spy on neibours for money.
    They will shut down you water and electricity.

    Your car tank will be empty,no job,no bank account,no home,for they will take all your possessions,and put you in camps. Children separate,husbands separate and wifes separate.
    Rapings will be free for all.The worse an employee is the better for the government to come. They also will get promotions for doing the worse things.Woe to the good looking.

    Every empire needs to have a leader that will be heard and respected by the population.And HE will be *THE MAN*. THE SON OF THE DEVIL.THE FALSE PROPHET.
    He will be in charge of all the secular affairs(governing).
    And also in charche of the spiritual affairs(worship). Like what the pope is over the catholics.

    And this leader coming soon, will have the power of the dragon;and all the world will listen to him,like a favourite movie star that is adored and trusted by the world,because he will bring peace, and all smooth talk to deceive.

    WHEN THE TWO WITNESSES ARE KILLED; THE WORLD WILL REJOICE. WHAT DOES THAT TELL YOU ABOUT THE WORLD? THAT TELLS ME THAT THE WORLD IS ON THE BEAST SIDE.

    Now you can come out of your nice snooze besee.

    wakeup.


    Wow, what a fantasy story. The bible says no such thing.


    EDJ.

    As I told Besee; It wont be a picnic.

    That is what I can see in the picture.

    wakeup.

    #343436
    Ed J
    Participant

    Hi Wakeup,

    Yes we know that is your private interpretation of Prophecy.  :D

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #343454
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2013,14:52)
    Hi Wakeup,

    Yes we know that is your private interpretation of Prophecy.  :D

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ.

    I have toldyou.
    You dont have to accept.

    wakeup.

    #343458
    2besee
    Participant

    Wakeup and Journey,

    I have been thinking about your posts, and discussing the topic (“microchips”) with family. I have not had the time to post properly today, but here are some things to think about again.

    I have read that the mark of the beast in Revelations could be past (related to ancient Rome and it's Emperors) or future (usually relating to a literal mark such as the microchip) or spiritual (an unseen mark).
    I do not know the answer myself, but here are some scriptures to consider (reposted!).

    Mark 12:28-34

    ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord, and you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ No other commandment is greater than these.”
    Then the scribe told him, “Well said, Teacher! You have told the truth that ‘God is one, and there is no other besides him.’ To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding, and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all the burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
    When Jesus saw how wisely the man answered, he told him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.”

    Deut 11:13-22[/u]
    And if you will indeed obey my commandments that I command you today, to love the Lord your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul, he will give the rain for your land in its season, the early rain and the Later Rain, that you may gather in your Grain and your Wine and your Oil. And he will give grass in your fields for your livestock, and you shall eat and be full. Take care lest your heart be deceived, and you turn aside and serve other gods and worship them; then the anger of the Lord will be kindled against you, and he will shut up the heavens, so that there will be no rain, and the land will yield no fruit, and you will perish quickly off the good land that the Lord is giving you.

    “You shall therefore lay up these words of mine in your heart and in your soul, and you shall bind them As a sign on your Hand, and they shall be as frontlets Between your Eyes. You shall teach them to your children, talking of them when you are sitting in your house, and when you are walking by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise. You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates, that your days and the days of your children may be multiplied in the land that the Lord swore to your fathers to give them, as long as the heavens are above the earth. For if you will be careful to do all this commandment that I command you to do, loving the Lord your God, walking in all his ways, and holding fast to him, then the Lord will drive out all these nations before you, and you will dispossess nations greater and mightier than yourselves.

    Deut 6:
    “ And these words that I command you today shall be on your heart. You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise. You shall bind them as a Sign on your Hand, and they shall be as frontlets Between your Eyes. You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.

    Revelations 13:16
    The second beast forces all people—important and unimportant, rich and poor, free and slaves—to be marked On their Right Hand or on their Forehead.  

    Revelation 12:17
    Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

    Revelations 14:12
    Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

    Even if the mark is past, or even if it is something literal still to come, God's commandments should be kept.

    #343467
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (2besee @ April 30 2013,21:28)
    Wakeup and Journey,

    I have been thinking about your posts, and discussing the topic (“microchips”) with family. I have not had the time to post properly today, but here are some things to think about again.

    I have read that the mark of the beast in Revelations could be past (related to ancient Rome and it's Emperors) or future (usually relating to a literal mark such as the microchip) or spiritual (an unseen mark).
    I do not know the answer myself, but here are some scriptures to consider (reposted!).

    Mark 12:28-34

    ‘Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God is one Lord, and you must love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’ The second is this: ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ No other commandment is greater than these.”
    Then the scribe told him, “Well said, Teacher! You have told the truth that ‘God is one, and there is no other besides him.’ To love him with all your heart, with all your understanding, and with all your strength, and to love your neighbor as yourself is more important than all the burnt offerings and sacrifices.”
    When Jesus saw how wisely the man answered, he told him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.”

    Deut 11:13-22[/u]
    And if you will indeed obey my commandments that I command you today, to love the Lord your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul, he will give the rain for your land in its season, the early rain and the Later Rain, that you may gather in your Grain and your Wine and your Oil. And he will give grass in your fields for your livestock, and you shall eat and be full. Take care lest your heart be deceived, and you turn aside and serve other gods and worship them; then the anger of the Lord will be kindled against you, and he will shut up the heavens, so that there will be no rain, and the land will yield no fruit, and you will perish quickly off the good land that the Lord is giving you.

    “You shall therefore lay up these words of mine in your heart and in your soul, and you shall bind them As a sign on your Hand, and they shall be as frontlets Between your Eyes. You shall teach them to your children, talking of them when you are sitting in your house, and when you are walking by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise. You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates, that your days and the days of your children may be multiplied in the land that the Lord swore to your fathers to give them, as long as the heavens are above the earth. For if you will be careful to do all this commandment that I command you to do, loving the Lord your God, walking in all his ways, and holding fast to him, then the Lord will drive out all these nations before you, and you will dispossess nations greater and mightier than yourselves.

    Deut 6:
    “ And these words that I command you today shall be on your heart. You shall teach them diligently to your children, and shall talk of them when you sit in your house, and when you walk by the way, and when you lie down, and when you rise. You shall bind them as a Sign on your Hand, and they shall be as frontlets Between your Eyes. You shall write them on the doorposts of your house and on your gates.

    Revelations 13:16
    The second beast forces all people—important and unimportant, rich and poor, free and slaves—to be marked On their Right Hand or on their Forehead.  

    Revelation 12:17
    Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of God and hold to the testimony of Jesus.

    Revelations 14:12
    Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.

    Even if the mark is past, or even if it is something literal still to come, God's commandments should be kept.


    2Besee.

    You have been thinking? are you allowed to think,are you not just to follow? Just joking.

    1.Those commandments in deut. are Gods commandments to his people.

    2.The mark of the beast is not a commandment of God,
    but a commandment of the false prophet,for every one to
    take the mark.

    wakeup.

    #343472
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ April 30 2013,16:57)

    Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2013,14:52)
    Hi Wakeup,

    Yes we know that is your private interpretation of Prophecy.  :D

    God bless
    Ed J


    EDJ.

    I have toldyou.
    You dont have to accept.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    I compare what you say to what Scripture says.
    After all that is what we are suppose to do, right?

    Your circle of truth seems to be drawn around a bio-chip,
    yet this idea of yours is NOT found “anywhere” in Scripture!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

    #343473
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ May 01 2013,01:55)

    Quote (Wakeup @ April 30 2013,16:57)

    Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2013,14:52)
    Hi Wakeup,

    Yes we know that is your private interpretation of Prophecy.  :D

    God bless
    Ed J


    EDJ.

    I have toldyou.
    You dont have to accept.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    I compare what you say to what Scripture says.
    After all that is what we are suppose to do, right?

    Your circle of truth seems to be drawn around a bio-chip,
    yet this idea of yours is NOT found “anywhere” in Scripture!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ.

    It is all based on the scriptures.
    All can be backed up by scriptures.
    I could not have made up such a wonderful picture.

    wakeup.

    #343475
    Ed J
    Participant

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 01 2013,03:24)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 01 2013,01:55)

    Quote (Wakeup @ April 30 2013,16:57)

    Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2013,14:52)
    Hi Wakeup,

    Yes we know that is your private interpretation of Prophecy.  :D

    God bless
    Ed J


    EDJ.

    I have toldyou.
    You dont have to accept.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    I compare what you say to what Scripture says.
    After all that is what we are suppose to do, right?

    Your circle of truth seems to be drawn around a bio-chip,
    yet this idea of yours is NOT found “anywhere” in Scripture!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ.

    It is all based on the scriptures.
    All can be backed up by scriptures.
    I could not have made up such a wonderful picture.

    wakeup.


    Yes, we know; it is a misunderstanding of Scripture.

    #343478
    Wakeup
    Participant

    Quote (Ed J @ May 01 2013,06:53)

    Quote (Wakeup @ May 01 2013,03:24)

    Quote (Ed J @ May 01 2013,01:55)

    Quote (Wakeup @ April 30 2013,16:57)

    Quote (Ed J @ April 30 2013,14:52)
    Hi Wakeup,

    Yes we know that is your private interpretation of Prophecy.  :D

    God bless
    Ed J


    EDJ.

    I have toldyou.
    You dont have to accept.

    wakeup.


    Hi Wakeup,

    I compare what you say to what Scripture says.
    After all that is what we are suppose to do, right?

    Your circle of truth seems to be drawn around a bio-chip,
    yet this idea of yours is NOT found “anywhere” in Scripture!

    God bless
    Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
    http://www.holycitybiblecode.org


    EDJ.

    It is all based on the scriptures.
    All can be backed up by scriptures.
    I could not have made up such a wonderful picture.

    wakeup.


    Yes, we know; it is a misunderstanding of Scripture.


    Edj.

    You are judging me guilty without any evidence put forth.
    You are not a righteous judge.
    Are you working for the enemy??

    wakeup.

    #343479
    Resting
    Participant

    Wakeup,

    The most important view of prophecy is that which concerns us now, not in the future.

    The warning of a future mark is taking away from what is happening now, and people are receiving the mark every day and can no longer hear the gospel in their hearts.

    Men serve the government in killing the innocent of another country who did not attack them, for the oil, and come back home destroyed in them self because they worshiped the empire (beast).

    If you go against this today, then you will be marked for revenge in the future.

    You can not be just now a threat to what they are doing, because you are doing a good job in keeping the truth of now hidden, and into the future.

    Res.

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