My lord and my god!

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
So you say.
No mention of this man in scripture so perhaps he was not of God.

But God spoke through all the true prophets and apostles. [2Peter1]

That is one of the works of the spirit of God in them.[1cor 12, Phil2]

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2009,07:01)

Hi BD, So you say. No mention of this man in scripture so perhaps he was not of God. But God spoke through all the true prophets and apostles. [2Peter1] That is one of the works of the spirit of God in them.[1cor 12, Phil2]

Paul was not mentioned in scripture before he came on the scene and he said he had a vision of Jesus.

Why is it that you seem to think God couldn't send an angel to Muhammad?

Paul said that God still sends prophets and teachers

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Paul is shown in the sacred scriptures and witnessed to by God in power and wisdom.

The works of God continue through the prophets shown in Acts.

We need no more self proclaimed prophets.

By their fruits they are known and new religions are not among those fruits.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2009,07:58)

Hi BD, Paul is shown in the sacred scriptures and witnessed to by God in power and wisdom. The works of God continue through the prophets shown in Acts. We need no more self proclaimed prophets. By their fruits they are known and new religions are not among those fruits.

Islam is not a new religion anymore than Christianity was a new religion. You simply are prejudice and think you know the will of God.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Why would we want to look elsewhere when we have found life in Jesus?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2009,13:00)

Hi BD, Why would we want to look elsewhere when we have found life in Jesus?

I have not told you to look elsewhere, I simply said that to know more about the will of God you should read the Quran, I did not say you would go to hell if you didn't read it but you seem to think that someone would go to hell for reading it and if so you are incorrrect.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
We are 'married' to Christ in God.
Should we seek fellowship with strangers?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2009,13:27)

Hi BD, We are 'married' to Christ in God. Should we seek fellowship with strangers?

Please explain.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Remember Paul spoke of a mystery and compared the relationship between a man and his wife and that between Christ and the Church.

We cannot be adulterers can we?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2009,15:36)

Hi BD, Remember Paul spoke of a mystery and compared the relationship between a man and his wife and that between Christ and the Church. We cannot be adulterers can we?

What about being married to God?

Jeremiah 3:13-15 (King James Version)

13Only acknowledge thine iniquity, that thou hast transgressed against the LORD thy God, and hast scattered thy ways to the strangers under every green tree, and ye have not obeyed my voice, saith the LORD.

14Turn, O backsliding children, saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:

15And I will give you pastors according to mine heart, which shall feed you with knowledge and understanding.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
God has had covenants with men from Moses.
But none had been offered a share of eternal life in His Spirit till Jesus.

The door is still open if you with to respond.
Seek ye first the kingdoim of God and everything else will be added to you.

Talkfests are all very fine but eventually action must result.
No other man, before or since offered the fountain of life, the Spirit unto eternal life.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2009,16:35)

Hi BD, God has had covenants with men from Moses. But none had been offered a share of eternal life in His Spirit till Jesus. The door is still open if you with to respond. Seek ye first the kingdoim of God and everything else will be added to you. Talkfests are all very fine but eventually action must result. No other man, before or since offered the fountain of life, the Spirit unto eternal life.

God has been saving since the beginning you lack faith it seems but I could be wrong.

Where did you get the idea that God started saving people only after Jesus came? You easily throw out the work of God from the beginning just to justify your view of Jesus(blessings be upon him)

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Everything since time began has been focussed on Jesus.
He still is the only way to salvation.
Men prefer useless religion.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2009,16:59)

Hi BD, Everything since time began has been focussed on Jesus. He still is the only way to salvation. Men prefer useless religion.

So are you saying that Jesus was the focus of all the prophets and yet not one mentioned his name?

I thought God was our focus since the beginning. You really believe that God created the heavens and earth so Jesus could be killed by men so that he could forgive men that believe in him, is that right Nick?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Walk with Jesus to Emmaeus.
Why should God fully reveal he who was God's secret?
If the rulers had known who he was they would not have killed him.
Neither would the evil ones in the heavenly realms as killing him ensured their demise.

[Paladin]

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2009,13:45) Hi BD, Jesus is Lord of all. Yet you live your life according to the rules of another. Is your Lord greater than the Lord Jesus Christ? Jesus said: John 9:4-6 (King James Version) 4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work. 5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world. If God has sent another light in the world how can you say it cannot be so. now I ask you this Nick are the Jews anti-Christs? The scripture says: 1 John 2:21-23 (King James Version) 21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. 22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. But when it comes to Islam the scripture says: 1 John 5 1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. Yet, you deny those claiming Jesus is Christ and claim alliance with those who deny your lord. How is it you cannot see the blindness in your approach? You reject Islam based upon misconceptions not fact. Islam is the religion of Abraham as evidenced by the fact that he was blessed by Melchesidek the King of Peace(Islam)

Hello Bodhitharta;

Do you suppose you are having difficulty putting your point across because you are mixing the Hebrew and Christian scriptures with quran?

(B)

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You reject Islam based upon misconceptions not fact. Islam is the religion of Abraham as evidenced by the fact that he was blessed by Melchesidek the King of Peace (Islam)

Abraham was blessed by the king of SALEM [peace], but Muhommad is not the prince of peace, is he? Messiah is. [Isa 9:6]

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The PRINCE OF PEACE.

[KangarooJack]

Paladin said:

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Hey thinker, who was the idiot who said “son of man” is a divine title? I have shown you that “son of man” can reference anything from a worm to the son of God. NONE of them are “divine titles.” Even “Son of God” is not a divine title, it is a reference. No wonder trinitarians can't focus, they have so many side issues to try to remember; issues having nothing whatsoever to do with reality. “son of man = divine title!” Really?

Greetings Paladin,
I said that the term “Son of Man” in reference to Jesus is a divine title. Titles that applied to men in the old testament have a greater meaning in Christ for He bore that title in the most high and noble sense. I believe I have demonstrated this. For example, as Son of Man Jesus had power on earth to forgive sins. Mere men (or worms) did not have such authority.

Godspeed,

thinker

[Paladin]

Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2009,17:06)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2009,16:59) Hi BD, Everything since time began has been focussed on Jesus. He still is the only way to salvation. Men prefer useless religion. So are you saying that Jesus was the focus of all the prophets and yet not one mentioned his name? I thought God was our focus since the beginning. You really believe that God created the heavens and earth so Jesus could be killed by men so that he could forgive men that believe in him, is that right Nick?

Which of the prophets mentioned Muhammid by name?

When did God speak the name of Muhammid?

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So are you saying that Jesus was the focus of all the prophets and yet not one mentioned his name?

Is that the new standard?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (thethinker @ June 18 2009,04:05)

Paladin said: Quote Hey thinker, who was the idiot who said “son of man” is a divine title? I have shown you that “son of man” can reference anything from a worm to the son of God. NONE of them are “divine titles.” Even “Son of God” is not a divine title, it is a reference. No wonder trinitarians can't focus, they have so many side issues to try to remember; issues having nothing whatsoever to do with reality. “son of man = divine title!” Really? Greetings Paladin, I said that the term “Son of Man” in reference to Jesus is a divine title. Titles that applied to men in the old testament have a greater meaning in Christ for He bore that title in the most high and noble sense. I believe I have demonstrated this. For example, as Son of Man Jesus had power on earth to forgive sins. Mere men (or worms) did not have such authority. Godspeed, thinker

Of course men have the power to forgive sins

Forgive and you will be forgiven.

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2009,17:06) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2009,16:59) Hi BD, Everything since time began has been focussed on Jesus. He still is the only way to salvation. Men prefer useless religion. So are you saying that Jesus was the focus of all the prophets and yet not one mentioned his name? I thought God was our focus since the beginning. You really believe that God created the heavens and earth so Jesus could be killed by men so that he could forgive men that believe in him, is that right Nick? Which of the prophets mentioned Muhammid by name? When did God speak the name of Muhammid? Quote So are you saying that Jesus was the focus of all the prophets and yet not one mentioned his name? Is that the new standard?

Do you have any actual reason to disregard the Quran? Have you read it or will you simply be like the children of Israel and reject someone that was sent by God because you don't want to believe.

Most of your speculations can easily be addressed simply by reading the Quran.

(1) We gave Moses the Book and followed him up with a succession of apostles; We gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs) and strengthened him with the holy spirit. Is it that whenever there comes to you an apostle with what ye yourselves desire not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye called impostors, and others ye slay!
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #87)

3) day: “O men! I am sent unto you all, as the Messenger of Allah, to Whom belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth: there is no god but He: it is He That giveth both life and death. So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the Unlettered Prophet, who believeth in Allah and His words: follow him that (so) ye may be guided.”
( سورة الأعراف , Al-Araf, Chapter #7, Verse #158)

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