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Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2009,13:45) Hi BD,
Jesus is Lord of all.
Yet you live your life according to the rules of another.Is your Lord greater than the Lord Jesus Christ?
Jesus said:John 9:4-6 (King James Version)
4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.
5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
If God has sent another light in the world how can you say it cannot be so.
now I ask you this Nick are the Jews anti-Christs? The scripture says:
1 John 2:21-23 (King James Version)
21 I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
But when it comes to Islam the scripture says:
1 John 5
1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.Yet, you deny those claiming Jesus is Christ and claim alliance with those who deny your lord.
How is it you cannot see the blindness in your approach?
You reject Islam based upon misconceptions not fact. Islam is the religion of Abraham as evidenced by the fact that he was blessed by Melchesidek the King of Peace(Islam)
Hi BD,
So you are saying you love God, and the Son of God.
Why do you not obey and follow him?You must be born again.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2009,14:06) Hi BD,
Paul was a mouthpiece for the Lord Jesus Christ and his God.
He did not lift himself up or work on his own behalf.
A truly wise and powerfully blessed servant.So how does your master align with Paul and Jesus and God?
Can you bypass the mediator appointed by God?
Why do you think it says that Christ is a light unto the gentiles? It does not say he is a mediator unto the gentiles it says he is a light unto the gentiles.I have already shown you through the scriptures that Jesus is the fulfillment of the covenant of Isaac
Muhammad is the fulfillment of the covenant of Ishmael
Ishmael was born first and was blessed last. The Quran is the book where you learn predominantly about God Almighty every person is put in proper perspective and God is Worshipped fully.
There is no confusion as to who is or isn't God or how many persons are God or all the confusions that we spend most of our time here refuting.
When you refute Islam you start immediately trying to use Jesus as a trinitarian does and you take your lord as your God that is why the Quran says:
(3) They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah. there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).
(1) Say: “O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah. that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, lords and patrons other than Allah.” If then they turn back, say ye: “Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah.s Will).
and then Christ says:
John 15:14-16 (King James Version)
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
James 2:22-24 (King James Version)
22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
and in regards to the right way
(5) They say: “Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (To salvation).” Say thou: “Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah.”
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #135)6) Or do ye say that Abraham, Isma'il Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do ye know better than Allah. Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah. but Allah is not unmindful of what ye do!
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #140)According to you merely being a practicing Jew is a sentence to go to hell, do you believe that?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2009,17:40) Hi BD,
So you are saying you love God, and the Son of God.
Why do you not obey and follow him?You must be born again.
The Son of God is The servant of God, God does not bear children Nick, God does not procreate.(10) O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)Notice in Luke it says:
Luke 1:31-33 (King James Version)
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
It doesn't say he is it says he shall be called. Jesus is the servant of God.
(7) Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #45)14) (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: “We are sons of Allah, and his beloved.” Say: “Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)”
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #18)(13) In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: “Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every – one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things.”
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #17)(12) From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #14)(22) Those who believe (in the Qur'an), those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Sabians, Christians, Magians, and Polytheists,- Allah will judge between them on the Day of Judgment: for Allah is witness of all things.
( سورة الحج , Al-Hajj, Chapter #22, Verse #17)Quote (bodhitharta @ June 15 2009,18:24) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2009,17:40) Hi BD,
So you are saying you love God, and the Son of God.
Why do you not obey and follow him?You must be born again.
The Son of God is The servant of God, God does not bear children Nick, God does not procreate.(10) O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)Notice in Luke it says:
Luke 1:31-33 (King James Version)
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
It doesn't say he is it says he shall be called. Jesus is the servant of God.
(7) Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #45)
Hi BD,
The Son does not have children but repentant men reborn into him of water and the Spirit can become adopted sons of God. Jesus and Paul both spoke of others as their children as they were helped restore those brother's relationships with God.Come away from trusting in Ishmael as Jesus showed those who even called Abraham their father were found instead to be sons of the devil.
Hi BD,
You quote your teacher(10) O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on ea
rth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. ”
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)Do you walk with one who says Jesus is not the son of God and yet claim fellowship with God?
Jn14
“…Believe in God. Believe also in me..”2Jn9
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2009,19:00) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 15 2009,18:24) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2009,17:40) Hi BD,
So you are saying you love God, and the Son of God.
Why do you not obey and follow him?You must be born again.
The Son of God is The servant of God, God does not bear children Nick, God does not procreate.(10) O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)Notice in Luke it says:
Luke 1:31-33 (King James Version)
31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS.
32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
It doesn't say he is it says he shall be called. Jesus is the servant of God.
(7) Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #45)
Hi BD,
The Son does not have children but repentant men reborn into him of water and the Spirit can become adopted sons of God. Jesus and Paul both spoke of others as their children as they were helped restore those brother's relationships with God.Come away from trusting in Ishmael as Jesus showed those who even called Abraham their father were found instead to be sons of the devil.
No Nick,Jesus said that Abraham was not their Father nor was God because if it were true they would have loved and accepted Jesus.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2009,18:48) Hi BD,
No man can come to the Father except through me.
Words of strangers do not give wisdom.
John 6:43-45 (King James Version)43Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:64-66 (King James Version)
64But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
John 14:5-7 (King James Version)
5Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Acts 5:30-32 (King James Version)
30The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Acts 13:23-25 (King James Version)
23Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
24When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
Now who do you think Jesus was talking to when he said “No Man”?
Matthew 15:24 (King James Version)
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2009,19:03) Hi BD,
You quote your teacher(10) O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on ea
rth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. ”
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)Do you walk with one who says Jesus is not the son of God and yet claim fellowship with God?
Jn14
“…Believe in God. Believe also in me..”2Jn9
Exodus 4:22 (King James Version)22And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
Isaiah 49:5-6 (King James Version)
5And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.
6And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
I am showing you through the scriptures Nick because I love you and want you to know the truth in these matters.
Now look at this:
Acts 3:26 (King James Version)
26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
and again this:
Acts 3:26 (New King James Version)
26 To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.”can you see that servant and son is interchangeable?
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 15 2009,19:39) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2009,18:48) Hi BD,
No man can come to the Father except through me.
Words of strangers do not give wisdom.
John 6:43-45 (King James Version)43Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:64-66 (King James Version)
64But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
John 14:5-7 (King James Version)
5Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Acts 5:30-32 (King James Version)
30The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Acts 13:23-25 (King James Version)
23Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
24When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
Now who do you think Jesus was talking to when he said “No Man”?
Matthew 15:24 (King James Version)
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Hi BD,
Jesus who was sent to the chosen people with a message later taken to the whole world said NO MAN can come to the Father except through him.Since the gospel is eternal and he did not say NO JEW then surely he meant NO MAN now or ever.
Those who climb in by other means are thieves and robbers.
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 15 2009,19:58) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2009,19:03) Hi BD,
You quote your teacher(10) O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not “Trinity” : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah. Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on ea
rth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. ”
( سورة النساء , An-Nisa, Chapter #4, Verse #171)Do you walk with one who says Jesus is not the son of God and yet claim fellowship with God?
Jn14
“…Believe in God. Believe also in me..”2Jn9
Exodus 4:22 (King James Version)22And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:
Isaiah 49:5-6 (King James Version)
5And now, saith the LORD that formed me from the womb to be his servant, to bring Jacob again to him, Though Israel be not gathered, yet shall I be glorious in the eyes of the LORD, and my God shall be my strength.
6And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.
I am showing you through the scriptures Nick because I love you and want you to know the truth in these matters.
Now look at this:
Acts 3:26 (King James Version)
26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
and again this:
Acts 3:26 (New King James Version)
26 To you first, God, having raised up His Servant Jesus, sent Him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from your iniquities.”can you see that servant and son is interchangeable?
Hi BD,
God's son is His servant.
He sent His prophets to the vineyard and later sent his son.All died at the hands of carnal men, thieves and murderers.
But the Jesus Christ is truly the Son of God and those who reject his Lordship, but for the mercy of God, remain under the wrath of God.Quote (bodhitharta @ June 15 2009,18:18) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2009,14:06) Hi BD,
Paul was a mouthpiece for the Lord Jesus Christ and his God.
He did not lift himself up or work on his own behalf.
A truly wise and powerfully blessed servant.So how does your master align with Paul and Jesus and God?
Can you bypass the mediator appointed by God?
Why do you think it says that Christ is a light unto the gentiles? It does not say he is a mediator unto the gentiles it says he is a light unto the gentiles.I have already shown you through the scriptures that Jesus is the fulfillment of the covenant of Isaac
Muhammad is the fulfillment of the covenant of Ishmael
Ishmael was born first and was blessed last. The Quran is the book where you learn predominantly about God Almighty every person is put in proper perspective and God is Worshipped fully.
There is no confusion as to who is or isn't God or how many persons are God or all the confusions that we spend most of our time here refuting.
When you refute Islam you start immediately trying to use Jesus as a trinitarian does and you take your lord as your God that is why the Quran says:
(3) They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah. there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).
(1) Say: “O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah. that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, lords and patrons other than Allah.” If then they turn back, say ye: “Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah.s Will).
and then Christ says:
John 15:14-16 (King James Version)
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
James 2:22-24 (King James Version)
22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
and in regards to the right way
(5) They say: “Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (To salvation).” Say thou: “Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah.”
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #135)6) Or do ye say that Abraham, Isma'il Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do ye know better than Allah. Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah. but Allah is not unmindful of what ye do!
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #140)According to you merely being a practicing Jew is a sentence to go to hell, do you believe that?
Genesis 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.Genesis 17:21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.
The covenant was with Abraham through Isaac, not Ishmael.
Genesis 13:15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy [Grk -spermati dative noun neuter singular] seed for ever.[Heb – [zara – noun masculine SINGULAR]
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to [spermasin DATIVE NEUTER PLURAL] seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy [spermati DATIVE NEUTER SINGULAR] seed, which is Christ.
El Jehovah, Adownai Elohiym, El shaddai, made covenant TO one, THROUGH one. TO Jesus, through Abraham.
Gen 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. 20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. 21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year. 22 And he left off talking with him, and God went up from Abraham.
In one thing at least you are correct. God does not beget by procreation, but said of his son Jesus,
Psa 2: 7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Acts 13:26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent. 27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him. 28 And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain. 29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre. 30 But God raised him from the dead: 31 And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people.
32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, 33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
This “begettal” of Jesus by God references his resurrection from the dead, he is the firstbegotten from the dead. Jesus was raised from the dead. The prophet mohamid was NOT, nor does he make that claim.
Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
And God speaks to us in the last days through his resurrected son, NOT through Mohamid or any other man.
Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?Mohamid is several centuries too late.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2009,22:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 15 2009,19:39) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2009,18:48) Hi BD,
No man can come to the Father except through me.
Words of strangers do not give wisdom.
John 6:43-45 (King James Version)43Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:64-66 (King James Version)
64But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
John 14:5-7 (King James Version)
5Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Acts 5:30-32 (King James Version)
30The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Acts 13:23-25 (King James Version)
23Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
24When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
Now who do you think Jesus was talking to when he said “No Man”?
Matthew 15:24 (King James Version)
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Hi BD,
Jesus who was sent to the chosen people with a message later taken to the whole world said NO MAN can come to the Father except through him.Since the gospel is eternal and he did not say NO JEW then surely he meant NO MAN now or ever.
Those who climb in by other means are thieves and robbers.
You simply understand the way you want to understand the scriptures but I believe what Jesus Christ said.He clearly said he was sent to The Lost sheep of Israel just as Moses was sent to the Israelites at large and Jonah was sent to Ninevah.
Luke 4
24 And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;
26 But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow.
27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.
Jesus is clear that Prophets are sent to whomever God chooses and Muhammad was sent to his people by the grace of God.
Quote (Paladin @ June 16 2009,00:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 15 2009,18:18) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2009,14:06) Hi BD,
Paul was a mouthpiece for the Lord Jesus Christ and his God.
He did not lift himself up or work on his own behalf.
A truly wise and powerfully blessed servant.So how does your master align with Paul and Jesus and God?
Can you bypass the mediator appointed by God?
Why do you think it says that Christ is a light unto the gentiles? It does not say he is a mediator unto the gentiles it says he is a light unto the gentiles.I have already shown you through the scriptures that Jesus is the fulfillment of the covenant of Isaac
Muhammad is the fulfillment of the covenant of Ishmael
Ishmael was born first and was blessed last. The Quran is the book where you learn predominantly about God Almighty every person is put in proper perspective and God is Worshipped fully.
There is no confusion as to who is or isn't God or how many persons are God or all the confusions that we spend most of our time here refuting.
When you refute Islam you start immediately trying to use Jesus as a trinitarian does and you take your lord as your God that is why the Quran says:
(3) They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah. there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).
(1) Say: “O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah. that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, lords and patrons other than Allah.” If then they turn back, say ye: “Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah.s Will).
and then Christ says:
John 15:14-16 (King James Version)
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
James 2:22-24 (King James Version)
22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
and in regards to the right way
(5) They say: “Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (To salvation).” Say thou: “Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah.”
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #135)6) Or do ye say that Abraham, Isma'il Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do ye know better than Allah. Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah. but Allah is not unmindful of what ye do!
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #140)According to you merely being a practicing Jew is a sentence to go to hell, do you believe that?
Genesis 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.Genesis 17:21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.
The covenant was with Abraham through Isaac, not Ishmael.
Genesis 13:15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy [Grk -spermati dative noun neuter singular] seed for ever.[Heb – [zara – noun masculine SINGULAR]
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to [spermasin DATIVE NEUTER PLURAL] seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy [spermati DATIVE NEUTER SINGULAR] seed, which is Christ.
El Jehovah, Adownai Elohiym, El shaddai, made covenant TO one, THROUGH one. TO Jesus, through Abraham.
Gen 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. 20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. 21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year. 22 And he left off talking with him, and God went up from Abraham.
In one thing at least you are correct. God does not beget by procreation, but said of his son Jesus,
Psa 2: 7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Acts 13:26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent. 27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him. 28 And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain. 29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre. 30 But God raised him from the dead: 31 And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people.
32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, 33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
This “begettal” of Jesus by God references his resurrection from the dead, he is the firstbegotten from the dead. Jesus was raised from the dead. The prophet mohamid was NOT, nor does he make that claim.
Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
And God speaks to us in the last days through his resurrected son, NOT through Mohamid or any other man.
Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to hi
m a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?Mohamid is several centuries too late.
Matthew 21:43 (King James Version)43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Genesis 17:20
20And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
Matthew 19:29-30 (King James Version)
30But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.
Genesis 25:12-14 (King James Version)
12Now these are the generations of Ishmael, Abraham's son, whom Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah's handmaid, bare unto Abraham:
13And these are the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam,
Kedar and Nebajoth are ishmaels children and they are the original Arabs
Ezekiel 27:20-22 (King James Version)
20Dedan was thy merchant in precious clothes for chariots.
21Arabia, and all the princes of Kedar, they occupied with thee in lambs, and rams, and goats: in these were they thy merchants.
Isaiah 60:7
7 All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory.
The fact is if you do not believe that Ishmael received the promise of God you don't believe that God keeps his promises Jesus was the fulfillment of God's promise regarding Abraham and Isaac and Muhammad is the fulfillment of God's promise regarding Abraham and Ishmael.
According to God's own law
Deuteronomy 21 (King James Version)
15 If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated:
16 Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn:
17But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.
Now look at 16 and understand that Ishmael was indeed the firstborn and God has fulfilled His promise and is fulfilling His promise in Ishmael who was made an orphan.
Why do you think God included in the law what he did even though in the day of Abraham he allowed for Isaac to have the place of firstborn although he was not?
Do you really not understand that Christianity has become filled with corruption and paganism, do you really not understand that most Christians believe in the trinity and other non monotheistic ideas including the belief that Jesus is YHWH therefore eliminating God's being entirely.
And yes this happened over time because the early was not like this.
So God sent Muhammad to Arabia and all mankind. Jesus was a light unto the gentiles but Muhammad is The Prophet
Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2009,05:01) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2009,22:27) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 15 2009,19:39) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2009,18:48) Hi BD,
No man can come to the Father except through me.
Words of strangers do not give wisdom.
John 6:43-45 (King James Version)43Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:64-66 (King James Version)
64But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.
66From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
John 14:5-7 (King James Version)
5Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
Acts 5:30-32 (King James Version)
30The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.
31Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Acts 13:23-25 (King James Version)
23Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus:
24When John had first preached before his coming the baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
Now who do you think Jesus was talking to when he said “No Man”?
Matthew 15:24 (King James Version)
24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Hi BD,
Jesus who was sent to the chosen people with a message later taken to the whole world said NO MAN can come to the Father except through him.Since the gospel is eternal and he did not say NO JEW then surely he meant NO MAN now or ever.
Those who climb in by other means are thieves and robbers.
You simply understand the way you want to understand the scriptures but I believe what Jesus Christ said.He clearly said he was sent to The Lost sheep of Israel just as Moses was sent to the Israelites at large and Jonah was sent to Ninevah.
Luke 4
24 And he said, Verily I say unto you, No prophet is accepted in his own country.25 But I tell you of a truth, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elias, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, when great famine was throughout all the land;
26 But unto none of them was Elias sent, save unto Sarepta, a city of Sidon, unto a woman that was a widow.
27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Eliseus the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.
Jesus is clear that Prophets are sent to whomever God chooses and Muhammad was sent to his people by the grace of God.
Hi BD,
So you say.
Scripture offers you no support.Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2009,05:54) Quote (Paladin @ June 16 2009,00:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 15 2009,18:18) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2009,14:06) Hi BD,
Paul was a mouthpiece for the Lord Jesus Christ and his God.
He did not lift himself up or work on his own behalf.
A truly wise and powerfully blessed servant.So how does your master align with Paul and Jesus and God?
Can you bypass the mediator appointed by God?
Why do you think it says that Christ is a light unto the gentiles? It does not say he is a mediator unto the gentiles it says he is a light unto the gentiles.I have already shown you through the scriptures that Jesus is the fulfillment of the covenant of Isaac
Muhammad is the fulfillment of the covenant of Ishmael
Ishmael was born first and was blessed last. The Quran is the book where you learn predominantly about God Almighty every person is put in proper perspective and God is Worshipped fully.
There is no confusion as to who is or isn't God or how many persons are God or all the confusions that we spend most of our time here refuting.
When you refute Islam you start immediately trying to use Jesus as a trinitarian does and you take your lord as your God that is why the Quran says:
(3) They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah. there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).
(1) Say: “O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah. that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, lords and patrons other than Allah.” If then they turn back, say ye: “Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah.s Will).
and then Christ says:
John 15:14-16 (King James Version)
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
James 2:22-24 (King James Version)
22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
and in regards to the right way
(5) They say: “Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (To salvation).” Say thou: “Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah.”
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #135)6) Or do ye say that Abraham, Isma'il Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do ye know better than Allah. Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah. but Allah is not unmindful of what ye do!
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #140)According to you merely being a practicing Jew is a sentence to go to hell, do you believe that?
Genesis 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.Genesis 17:21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.
The covenant was with Abraham through Isaac, not Ishmael.
Genesis 13:15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy [Grk -spermati dative noun neuter singular] seed for ever.[Heb – [zara – noun masculine SINGULAR]
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to [spermasin DATIVE NEUTER PLURAL] seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy [spermati DATIVE NEUTER SINGULAR] seed, which is Christ.
El Jehovah, Adownai Elohiym, El shaddai, made covenant TO one, THROUGH one. TO Jesus, through Abraham.
Gen 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. 20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. 21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year. 22 And he left off talking with him, and God went up from Abraham.
In one thing at least you are correct. God does not beget by procreation, but said of his son Jesus,
Psa 2: 7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Acts 13:26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent. 27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him. 28 And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain. 29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre. 30 But God raised him from the dead: 31 And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people.
32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, 33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
This “begettal” of Jesus by God references his resurrection from the dead, he is the firstbegotten from the dead. Jesus was raised from the dead. The prophet mohamid was NOT, nor does he make that claim.
Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
And God speaks to us in the last days through his resurrected son, NOT through Mohamid or any other man.
Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4 Being mad
e so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?Mohamid is several centuries too late.
Matthew 21:43 (King James Version)43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Genesis 17:20
20And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
Matthew 19:29-30 (King James Version)
30But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.
Genesis 25:12-14 (King James Version)
12Now these are the generations of Ishmael, Abraham's son, whom Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah's handmaid, bare unto Abraham:
13And these are the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam,
Kedar and Nebajoth are ishmaels children and they are the original Arabs
Ezekiel 27:20-22 (King James Version)
20Dedan was thy merchant in precious clothes for chariots.
21Arabia, and all the princes of Kedar, they occupied with thee in lambs, and rams, and goats: in these were they thy merchants.
Isaiah 60:7
7 All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory.
The fact is if you do not believe that Ishmael received the promise of God you don't believe that God keeps his promises Jesus was the fulfillment of God's promise regarding Abraham and Isaac and Muhammad is the fulfillment of God's promise regarding Abraham and Ishmael.
According to God's own law
Deuteronomy 21 (King James Version)
15 If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated:
16 Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn:
17But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.
Now look at 16 and understand that Ishmael was indeed the firstborn and God has fulfilled His promise and is fulfilling His promise in Ishmael who was made an orphan.
Why do you think God included in the law what he did even though in the day of Abraham he allowed for Isaac to have the place of firstborn although he was not?
Do you really not understand that Christianity has become filled with corruption and paganism, do you really not understand that most Christians believe in the trinity and other non monotheistic ideas including the belief that Jesus is YHWH therefore eliminating God's being entirely.
And yes this happened over time because the early was not like this.
So God sent Muhammad to Arabia and all mankind. Jesus was a light unto the gentiles but Muhammad is The Prophet
Hi BD,
So you say.
Of course the GREAT PROPHET that shall arise among you on whose words the future of each individual turns is Jesus Christ as Peter showed in Acts. Adding to his words and seeking personal followers has always been popular but we were warned by him about false prophets.Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 16 2009,06:09) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 16 2009,05:54) Quote (Paladin @ June 16 2009,00:26) Quote (bodhitharta @ June 15 2009,18:18) Quote (Nick Hassan @ June 15 2009,14:06) Hi BD,
Paul was a mouthpiece for the Lord Jesus Christ and his God.
He did not lift himself up or work on his own behalf.
A truly wise and powerfully blessed servant.So how does your master align with Paul and Jesus and God?
Can you bypass the mediator appointed by God?
Why do you think it says that Christ is a light unto the gentiles? It does not say he is a mediator unto the gentiles it says he is a light unto the gentiles.I have already shown you through the scriptures that Jesus is the fulfillment of the covenant of Isaac
Muhammad is the fulfillment of the covenant of Ishmael
Ishmael was born first and was blessed last. The Quran is the book where you learn predominantly about God Almighty every person is put in proper perspective and God is Worshipped fully.
There is no confusion as to who is or isn't God or how many persons are God or all the confusions that we spend most of our time here refuting.
When you refute Islam you start immediately trying to use Jesus as a trinitarian does and you take your lord as your God that is why the Quran says:
(3) They take their priests and their anchorites to be their lords in derogation of Allah, and (they take as their Lord) Christ the son of Mary; yet they were commanded to worship but One Allah. there is no god but He. Praise and glory to Him: (Far is He) from having the partners they associate (with Him).
(1) Say: “O People of the Book! come to common terms as between us and you: That we worship none but Allah. that we associate no partners with him; that we erect not, from among ourselves, lords and patrons other than Allah.” If then they turn back, say ye: “Bear witness that we (at least) are Muslims (bowing to Allah.s Will).
and then Christ says:
John 15:14-16 (King James Version)
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
James 2:22-24 (King James Version)
22Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.
24Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
and in regards to the right way
(5) They say: “Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (To salvation).” Say thou: “Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah.”
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #135)6) Or do ye say that Abraham, Isma'il Isaac, Jacob and the Tribes were Jews or Christians? Say: Do ye know better than Allah. Ah! who is more unjust than those who conceal the testimony they have from Allah. but Allah is not unmindful of what ye do!
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #140)According to you merely being a practicing Jew is a sentence to go to hell, do you believe that?
Genesis 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him.Genesis 17:21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year.
The covenant was with Abraham through Isaac, not Ishmael.
Genesis 13:15 For all the land which thou seest, to thee will I give it, and to thy [Grk -spermati dative noun neuter singular] seed for ever.[Heb – [zara – noun masculine SINGULAR]
Galatians 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to [spermasin DATIVE NEUTER PLURAL] seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy [spermati DATIVE NEUTER SINGULAR] seed, which is Christ.
El Jehovah, Adownai Elohiym, El shaddai, made covenant TO one, THROUGH one. TO Jesus, through Abraham.
Gen 17:19 And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. 20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation. 21 But my covenant will I establish with Isaac, which Sarah shall bear unto thee at this set time in the next year. 22 And he left off talking with him, and God went up from Abraham.
In one thing at least you are correct. God does not beget by procreation, but said of his son Jesus,
Psa 2: 7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.
Acts 13:26 Men and brethren, children of the stock of Abraham, and whosoever among you feareth God, to you is the word of this salvation sent. 27 For they that dwell at Jerusalem, and their rulers, because they knew him not, nor yet the voices of the prophets which are read every sabbath day, they have fulfilled them in condemning him. 28 And though they found no cause of death in him, yet desired they Pilate that he should be slain. 29 And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre. 30 But God raised him from the dead: 31 And he was seen many days of them which came up with him from Galilee to Jerusalem, who are his witnesses unto the people.
32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers, 33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.
This “begettal” of Jesus by God references his resurrection from the dead, he is the firstbegotten from the dead. Jesus was raised from the dead. The prophet mohamid was NOT, nor does he make that claim.
Hebrews 1:5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?
And God speaks to us in the last days through his resurrected son, NOT through Mohamid or any other man.
Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
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ho being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; 4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. 5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?Mohamid is several centuries too late.
Matthew 21:43 (King James Version)43Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Genesis 17:20
20And as for Ishmael, I have heard thee: Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly; twelve princes shall he beget, and I will make him a great nation.
Matthew 19:29-30 (King James Version)
30But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.
Genesis 25:12-14 (King James Version)
12Now these are the generations of Ishmael, Abraham's son, whom Hagar the Egyptian, Sarah's handmaid, bare unto Abraham:
13And these are the names of the sons of Ishmael, by their names, according to their generations: the firstborn of Ishmael, Nebajoth; and Kedar, and Adbeel, and Mibsam,
Kedar and Nebajoth are ishmaels children and they are the original Arabs
Ezekiel 27:20-22 (King James Version)
20Dedan was thy merchant in precious clothes for chariots.
21Arabia, and all the princes of Kedar, they occupied with thee in lambs, and rams, and goats: in these were they thy merchants.
Isaiah 60:7
7 All the flocks of Kedar shall be gathered together unto thee, the rams of Nebaioth shall minister unto thee: they shall come up with acceptance on mine altar, and I will glorify the house of my glory.
The fact is if you do not believe that Ishmael received the promise of God you don't believe that God keeps his promises Jesus was the fulfillment of God's promise regarding Abraham and Isaac and Muhammad is the fulfillment of God's promise regarding Abraham and Ishmael.
According to God's own law
Deuteronomy 21 (King James Version)
15 If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated, and they have born him children, both the beloved and the hated; and if the firstborn son be hers that was hated:
16 Then it shall be, when he maketh his sons to inherit that which he hath, that he may not make the son of the beloved firstborn before the son of the hated, which is indeed the firstborn:
17But he shall acknowledge the son of the hated for the firstborn, by giving him a double portion of all that he hath: for he is the beginning of his strength; the right of the firstborn is his.
Now look at 16 and understand that Ishmael was indeed the firstborn and God has fulfilled His promise and is fulfilling His promise in Ishmael who was made an orphan.
Why do you think God included in the law what he did even though in the day of Abraham he allowed for Isaac to have the place of firstborn although he was not?
Do you really not understand that Christianity has become filled with corruption and paganism, do you really not understand that most Christians believe in the trinity and other non monotheistic ideas including the belief that Jesus is YHWH therefore eliminating God's being entirely.
And yes this happened over time because the early was not like this.
So God sent Muhammad to Arabia and all mankind. Jesus was a light unto the gentiles but Muhammad is The Prophet
Hi BD,
So you say.
Of course the GREAT PROPHET that shall arise among you on whose words the future of each individual turns is Jesus Christ as Peter showed in Acts. Adding to his words and seeking personal followers has always been popular but we were warned by him about false prophets.
Paul has called Jesus “God” saying that God said it and that was not true as it was a psalmist speaking about a king and not God. But Gabriel was sent to reveal the Quran to Muhammad just like DanielDaniel 8:15-17 (King James Version)
15And it came to pass, when I, even I Daniel, had seen the vision, and sought for the meaning, then, behold, there stood before me as the appearance of a man.
16And I heard a man's voice between the banks of Ulai, which called, and said, Gabriel, make this man to understand the vision.
17So he came near where I stood: and when he came, I was afraid, and fell upon my face: but he said unto me, Understand, O son of man: for at the time of the end shall be the vision.
now I will show you again through the scriptures
Revelation 10
1And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire:2And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth,
3And cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices.
4And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.
5And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven,
6And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer:
7But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
8And the voice which I heard from heaven spake unto me again, and said, Go and take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the sea and upon the earth.
9And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.
10And I took the little book out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten it, my belly was bitter.
11And he said unto me, Thou must prophesy again before many peoples, and nations, and tongues, and kings.
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