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- August 4, 2007 at 9:07 pm#63160Mr. SteveParticipant
Michaels;
Can satan cast out satan? Paul cast out devils. In one instance, when someone tried to cast out a devil that wasn't a follower of Christ, the devil said Peter I know and Paul I know, but who are you. From the words you speak about Paul, it is very doubtful you are in Christ. God help you is all I can pray.
August 5, 2007 at 1:35 am#63201michaelsParticipantmany will do works in jesus name casting out demons and healing the sick,yet he will say i never knew you,just because paul the anti christ cast out demons dosent mean he knew,jeus ,or the father,but let the blind follow the blind if thats what they wish,me will follow god for me know him and in me he is well pleased.
August 5, 2007 at 1:47 am#63202michaelsParticipantat least paul was respected by the devils they knew him and he knew them,its just to bad he did not know god ! for he was so proud and full of himself,that he uses gods hole memorial name for himself,wow if this is not anti christ ,being that christ was all about god, what is ,hmmm
August 5, 2007 at 1:58 am#63204michaelsParticipantits kind of funny that you use the testamony of a devil who said he knew peter and paul to refute gods own words,who is your god? hmmm think about it.
August 5, 2007 at 2:12 am#63205michaelsParticipantthere is no other name under heaven,so why would the devil know peter and paul,me know the devil knows the name of jesus ,for gods name is in the name of yahshua.so god is in his name and all the demons and devils tremble at his very name.there is no power in the name paul !so was paul buddies with the devil,hmmm ,they knew his name!,yet they diddent mention jesus!, think on it and ask the father for he is the truth and knows all things.
August 5, 2007 at 3:51 am#63206michaelsParticipantsorry me was wrong please forgive me ,for me just read the scripture you were refering to in acts 19:15 ,according to this record the evil spirit said he knew jesus also,but me dont believe this account to be truth,they cast out the spirit in the name of jesus so the spirit would have to leave,for god is in his name,and if the demons,and devils,evil spirits,.tremble at the very name of jesus,do you realy think this evil spirit could say gods name,or that he knew him.and if this is the only account to prove paul speaks truth,then it is a sad one,for how can we believe an evil spirit over god.
August 6, 2007 at 3:00 am#63259michaelsParticipantthings to ponder and ask the father
michaels You are really hard to understand, when you use we instead of I the right way. You also need to read the story of Saul in Acts Chapter 8 Yes Saul was a murderer, but God performed a Miracle on Him and changed His name to Paul. You are denying that. So you are saying that you now better then what God teaches us in the letters of Paul. You are forgetting that the Apostles where eye witnesses to the dead and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ. Also David in the Psalms was a murderer, and God called Him a Man of His own Heart. Both repented of their Sins, and were true to God, and the Apostles except John died for Christ. Please read and study Acts, ask God for wisdom and guidance of Gods Holy spirit first, before your Bible study. And most of all have an open mind. TimothyV1 are trying to help you too. Not3in1 is so very kind, why do you not listen to people that mean it so good with you? They too are witnesses for God. Does not Jesus give us the commandment to Love God with all of ours Heart and our neighbors as thyself? I hope and pray that you take Jesus Words to Heart, and do not judge Paul like that, it is a hard thing that you are calling Paul Anti-Christ, when HE DIED FOR CHRIST.
Peace and Love Mrs.IM4Truth
hi me4truth you say they are (GOD'S) words in the letters of paul, yet he claims them to be his,his own gosple,he is the one claiming it to be his,while claiming to be GOD ,hmmm please dont point the finger at me ,me can only tell you what the father tells me. this verse is not directed at you in any way for you dont have your own gosple, but paul's gosple that you believe was from god. john 8:44-45 ye are of your father the devil ,and the lusts of your father ye will do.he was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. when he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his (own); for he is a liar and the father of it. and because i tell you the truth you believe me not. pauls (own) gosple, not gods for god is not a liar.god does not cause division by slightly twisting the truth,for GOD is the truth and no lie can stand before him,for the truth is sharper than a two edged sword.you spoke of dead men that died for christ,hmmm did john ever see death? god is not the god of the dead but the liveing.
diddent paul kill most of jesus true diciples,to steal away the truth before it could take root like satan always does,hmmm all jesus wanted to do was lead us to the father,yet we follow blind men,that dident even truely know jesus while he walked here.if they diddent know him how can they teach the truth,for he kept his true diciples in the truth,and in his father name,jesus only taught of the father not himself,.stories from people who were not with jesus,are just that, stories,for they dident truely know him.ask GOD he will tell you who his children were and are now.
who was the devil jesus spoke of, was it peter ?,for he told peter ,get behind me satan,or could it have been judas, hmmm. GOD knows all things. ask him.he is our only teacher!
when peter denied jesus, satan enterd in ,for satan is the father of lies.hmmm, god cannot abide in lies.or was satan allways in peter,for he lied and denied GOD ,when he denied jesus.
August 6, 2007 at 3:29 am#63260michaelsParticipantpride goes before the fall,pride in self,my gosple ,not GODS,hmmm sound (familiar) ,isent this a strange word for it has liar in it,hmmm so what is so familiar to us as the traditions of men that we have been taught from the beginning.seek GOD and his ways not the ways of men,.may god lead you in all truth.praise you father and thank you for sending your son to bring us the truth.for you are the truth.
August 6, 2007 at 3:40 am#63262IM4TruthParticipantMichaels I am always for God, but I must say, that Steve is right, that the only thing I can do for you is to Pray for you.
Peace and Love Mrs.August 6, 2007 at 7:03 am#63280kejonnParticipantMichaels,
Just curious, but is there any book of the New Testament that you believe? You don't believe Paul, you say Hebrews is bad. Only the Gospels then?
Besides that, Paul said “I am what I am” not “I am that I am”. Have you never heard someone say “I am what I am”? If so, did you automatically think that they were some type of antichrist for doing so?
I agree with some others on here. I will pray that God will help you.
August 6, 2007 at 7:42 am#63281kejonnParticipantMichaels,
Just doing this to help you, but were the following people calling themselves God in the verses listed?
Gen 15:2 Abram said, “O Lord GOD, what will You give me, since I am childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?”
Gen 22:7 Isaac spoke to Abraham his father and said, “My father!” And he said, “Here I am, my son.” And he said, “Behold, the fire and the wood, but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?”
Gen 46:2 God spoke to Israel in visions of the night and said, “Jacob, Jacob.” And he said, “Here I am.”
Exd 3:4 When the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!” And he said, “Here I am.”
Jdg 17:9 Micah said to him, “Where do you come from?” And he said to him, “I am a Levite from Bethlehem in Judah, and I am going to stay wherever I may find a place.”
1Sa 3:4 that the LORD called Samuel; and he said, “Here I am.”
August 7, 2007 at 3:30 am#63364michaelsParticipantyes, if that is realy what these people said and not just error from the scribes,wanting everyone to sound the same that scripture is more easily understood. some of them could have been refering to god, not self,like your 1sa 3:4 verse the LORD called him,and he said, here GOD,or here I AM,souds to me like he said me right here GOD,.read and ask god when they are speaking to him or of him or of them self, I AM knows all things, for he is in his name,and he is the truth !! and are you not a people called by his name,unplug your ears, open your eyes,that the vail may be lifted,dont go on blsphemeing the father for he loves you,and me love you,and all he wants is repentance,that his children can come to him ,instead of following satan into the fire.so stop useing his name for your self please,may the father lead you into all truth. that you can learn to love him as you love your self,
August 7, 2007 at 3:57 am#63369michaelsParticipantJust doing this to help you, but were the following people calling themselves God in the verses listed?
Gen 15:2 Abram said, “O Lord GOD, what will You give me, since I am childless, and the heir of my house is Eliezer of Damascus?”
Gen 22:7 Isaac spoke to Abraham his father and said, “My father!” And he said, “Here I am, my son.” And he said, “Behold, the fire and the wood, but where is the lamb for the burnt offering?”
Gen 46:2 God spoke to Israel in visions of the night and said, “Jacob, Jacob.” And he said, “Here I am.”
Exd 3:4 When the LORD saw that he turned aside to look, God called to him from the midst of the bush and said, “Moses, Moses!” And he said, “Here I am.”
Jdg 17:9 Micah said to him, “Where do you come from?” And he said to him, “I am a Levite from Bethlehem in Judah, and I am going to stay wherever I may find a place.”
1Sa 3:4 that the LORD called Samuel; and he said, “Here I am.”
hi kejonn , me looked up all these verses in the hebrew/original kjv for you in all of them but one they said am I ,not gods name . in judges 17:9 this is a levite of bethleham judah,useing the name of god in vain according as it is wrighten,hmmm look at this he took false gods michah had made,and left ,what was his end,hmmm,sounds like the world loved him.
August 7, 2007 at 4:46 am#63374michaelsParticipantkejonn, dont you fell just a little bad for twisting these words out of the bible,by putting in gods name instead of (am I).repent!!! for as studied as you seem to be you should know what god said in rev,for those who change the truth.the lake of fire,but you can still repent and seek him with your whole heart ,for he loves you,me do to,may the truth lead you into all truth.
August 7, 2007 at 4:48 am#63375kejonnParticipantmichaels,
I can only pray for you. For one thing, if I say “I am”, I am using English, which, I need to inform you, was not the language of the Old Testament. So nobody is using God's “name” when they say “I am” because English was not around!
I would encourage you to think about this. As one other person stated, you come off sounding ignorant. You may say you don't care because you are trying to be humble before God, but if 99.9% of the people you speak with are turned off by your way of speech, your witness for Christ will be null-and-void. You cannot be a light for Yeshua if people question your mental acumen.
Please forgive me if this sounds harsh. But you need to think on how to please God AND reach others for the cause of Christ.
August 7, 2007 at 5:11 am#63377michaelsParticipantgod knows his name in all languages,and we havent had any problems shareing jesus with people in the last 7 years that we have kept GOD'S NAME ,or with comunication,communication was only hard for us at the beginning,our hole family keeps his name and will until the end, for god has given us a pure way to speak, that we dont ofend god,if you are ofended in us you are ofended in him,we dont have any problem shareing the love of god with all men,for he is well pleased in (me).
August 7, 2007 at 11:54 am#63391kejonnParticipantmichaels,
Good to hear. Consider this my last communication with you because you wrongly attempt to rebuke me because I listed verses as they are translated into English.Just one last note to you however. If “I am” is truly YHWHs name and it is blasphemous to use it, why did Yeshua never rebuke those who used “I am” in in his presence? Or if someone used it in front of an angel? Do you consider yourself more spiritual than the Savior, Master, and Lord or even to know more than an angel of God?
Mat 8:8 The centurion answered and said, Lord, I am not worthy that thou shouldest come under my roof: but speak the word only, and my servant shall be healed.
Mat 8:9 For I am a man under authority, having soldiers under me: and I say to this [man], Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth [it].
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Mar 1:7 And preached, saying, There cometh one mightier than I after me, the latchet of whose shoes I am not worthy to stoop down and unloose.
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Luk 1:18 And Zacharias said unto the angel, Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.
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Luk 5:8 When Simon Peter saw [it], he fell down at Jesus' knees, saying, Depart from me; for I am a sinful man, O Lord.
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Luk 7:6 Then Jesus went with them. And when he was now not far from the house, the centurion sent friends to him, saying unto him, Lord, trouble not thyself: for I am not worthy that thou shouldest enter under my roof:
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Luk 22:33 And he said unto him, Lord, I am ready to go with thee, both into prison, and to death.
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Jhn 1:23 He said, I [am] the voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make straight the way of the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias.
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Jhn 3:28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.
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Jhn 5:7 The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me.
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Rev 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.
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Rev 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See [thou do it] not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.Have a great and fruitful life. I pray for you that God will guide you to all truth since you deny most of the New Testament.
August 7, 2007 at 3:04 pm#63398LaurelParticipantQuote (Artizan007 @ Mar. 22 2006,04:05) I cant help but notice a few disturbing things with in the writings of Paul. Paul teaches that if any one brings a gospel that Christ did not teach should not be listened to but he on a few occasions states that what he is preaching is his gospel:
Romans 16:24-25
24The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen. 25 Now to him that is of power to establish you according to [my gospel], and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began…
Romans 2:16
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to [my gospel].
This is a strange passage and one that I have never taken notice of before tonight… it concerns me and i just wanted to seek clarification of others.
6 I marvel that you are so soon removed from [him]* that called you into the grace of Christ to [another gospel]: 7 Which is not another; but there be [some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ]. 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than that which we have preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel to you than that you have received, let him be accursed.
* It sounds like this HIM is Paul… mmm not too sure I like what I am seeing. Is Paul replacing Jesus's gospel for his own… Is it not God or should I say the HS that draws us to understand this message…
Does the gospel change with the introduction of the man of Tarsus
A slow but steady change – to something that Jesus never taught.
…and the curse pronounced, this does not sound like something Jesus would have done… but more like somene assirting his authority out of insecurity that they are not following Paul's doctrine…
Lets start here for now… what do others think.
Paul preached the same Gospel as Y'shua Messiah preached. The folks he was speaking to had head another gospel already. Paul was claiming the gospel he was preaching is the one they needed to believe.Here he was speaking to Rome. Rome is still preaching the other gospel unto this day.
Here is the gospel Y'shua Messiah taught and it is my gospel also. Fear Elohim, and worship Him who made the heavens and the earth, for the kingdom is at hand.
Any other gospel is false if it does not maintain thees three subjects, or adds to theese three subjects.
August 7, 2007 at 3:10 pm#63399LaurelParticipantI AM defines YHWH as does El and Elohim, as doe El Shaddai. The Aleph and the Taw the Beginning and the End. The One who was, who is and who ever shall be.
When you speak of I AM in place of YHWH all should be in caps to differentiate I am is just me.
August 8, 2007 at 3:07 am#63483michaelsParticipantread ex 3:14,god is not a liar, the same name god gave moses , paul blasphemes in 1 corinthians 15:10,me believe the whole bible,that it actualy did hapen,its a learning experiance,that we may know the children of light,from the children of darkness,without GOD'S word we would not be able to dicern the truth from the lies,his words are truth for he cant lie.you just need to know when he realy is speaking,me know,for he came down from heaven,and lowered himself to sup with me and my family,because we keep his name,me love you and can only tell you what the father has told me,to those who go on useing his name for them selves,breaking his law,to love the LORD your God with all your heart.he will say, I never knew you. one day soon every knee will bow,and every toung confess that,he is the great (I AM).and there is no other .you should have no other gods before me, yet you make your selves GOD, by calling yourselves by my name.
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