My fathers house

[942767]

Hi BD:

Abraham is indeed the Father of many nations, but the scriptures state that not all of Abraham's decendants are his seed, but in Isaac shall his seed be called. He is the Father of Isaac, and Ishmael, and Isaac had two son's, Jacob and Esau, but not all are of the faith of Abraham. The gospel is being preached to all nations. God is calling those who will hear into a relationship with him through His provision, the body of our Lord and saviour, Jesus God's Only Begotten Son, and His Christ.

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Rom 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. Rom 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[bodhitharta]

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Hi BD: Abraham is indeed the Father of many nations, but the scriptures state that not all of Abraham's decendants are his seed, but in Isaac shall his seed be called.  He is the Father of Isaac, and Ishmael, and Isaac had two son's, Jacob and Esau, but not all are of the faith of Abraham.  The gospel is being preached to all nations.  God is calling those who will hear into a relationship with him through His provision, the body of our Lord and saviour, Jesus God's Only Begotten Son, and His Christ. Quote Rom 9:7   Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, [are they] all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.   Rom 9:8   That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. Love in Christ, Marty

Wow! I've got you talking from your heart and Spirit, much better.

The Scriptures Call Israel the firstborn of God, how does that work?

[942767]

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When Jesus says: In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. John 14:1-3 How is it that most people believe that Jesus is saying that there is no way to God except through him? Now in talking about Israel it is a “nation” but God speaks about Nations Genesis 17 (King James Version) 4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations.

Hi BD:

If you will read these verses in context you will see that he does say that “no man can come to the Father but by him”.

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Jhn 14:1 ¶ Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. Jhn 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. Jhn 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also. Jhn 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. Jhn 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? Jhn 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 29 2009,08:24) When Jesus says: In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. John 14:1-3 How is it that most people believe that Jesus is saying that there is no way to God except through him? Now in talking about Israel it is a “nation” but God speaks about Nations Genesis 17 (King James Version) 4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Hi BD: If you will read these verses in context you will see that he does say that “no man can come to the Father but by him”. Quote Jhn 14:1 ¶ Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.   Jhn 14:2   In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.   Jhn 14:3   And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.   Jhn 14:4   And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.   Jhn 14:5   Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?   Jhn 14:6   Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Love in Christ, Marty

He also says:

These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Matthew 10:4-6

But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 10:5-7

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 15:23-25

Why aren't these permanent for you but the “No one comes to the Father except through me” is permanent and applicble to you.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Christ was in Paul and the apostles as they went to the nations.

[942767]

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Quote (942767 @ Dec. 01 2009,11:43) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 29 2009,08:24) When Jesus says: In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. John 14:1-3 How is it that most people believe that Jesus is saying that there is no way to God except through him? Now in talking about Israel it is a “nation” but God speaks about Nations Genesis 17 (King James Version) 4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Hi BD: If you will read these verses in context you will see that he does say that “no man can come to the Father but by him”. Quote Jhn 14:1 ¶ Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.   Jhn 14:2   In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.   Jhn 14:3   And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.   Jhn 14:4   And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.   Jhn 14:5   Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?   Jhn 14:6   Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Love in Christ, Marty He also says: These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: Matthew 10:4-6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matthew 10:5-7 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matthew 15:23-25 Why aren't these permanent for you but the “No one comes to the Father except through me” is permanent and applicble to you.

Hi BD:

Because he says he has other sheep that belongs to his fold, and he will also bring them in.

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Jhn 10:14   I am the good shepherd, and know my [sheep], and am known of mine.   Jhn 10:15   As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.   Jhn 10:16   And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.   Jhn 10:17   Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.   Jhn 10:18   No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

This is what Jesus said:

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Jhn 10:16   AND OTHER SHEEP I HAVE, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd

Love in Christ,
Marty

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,11:53) Quote (942767 @ Dec. 01 2009,11:43) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 29 2009,08:24) When Jesus says: In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. John 14:1-3 How is it that most people believe that Jesus is saying that there is no way to God except through him? Now in talking about Israel it is a “nation” but God speaks about Nations Genesis 17 (King James Version) 4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Hi BD: If you will read these verses in context you will see that he does say that “no man can come to the Father but by him”. Quote Jhn 14:1 ¶ Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.   Jhn 14:2   In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.   Jhn 14:3   And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.   Jhn 14:4   And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.   Jhn 14:5   Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?   Jhn 14:6   Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Love in Christ, Marty He also says: These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: Matthew 10:4-6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matthew 10:5-7 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matthew 15:23-25 Why aren't these permanent for you but the “No one comes to the Father except through me” is permanent and applicble to you. Hi BD: Because he says he has other sheep that belongs to his fold, and he will also bring them in. Quote Jhn 10:14   I am the good shepherd, and know my [sheep], and am known of mine.   Jhn 10:15   As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.   Jhn 10:16   And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.   Jhn 10:17   Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.   Jhn 10:18   No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.   This is what Jesus said: Quote Jhn 10:16   AND OTHER SHEEP I HAVE, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd Love in Christ, Marty

Okay, so how could you say that these sheep are the gentiles when he said don't go to them?

Still you have not answered why you can say that Jesus statement applied “In general” for all time in one verse but is a passing statement in other verses.

Jesus said that it would be worse for the man that betrayed him than if he was never born but he also said (according to the scriptures) Father forgive them they know not what they do.

Which do you see as permanent and which as a passing statement?

[NickHassan]

Hi 94,
The other sheep are shown in Mt25, saved by the mercy of God towards the merciful.

There are not separate folds for Jews and Gentiles and certainly no separate mansion for islam.

[942767]

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Quote (942767 @ Dec. 01 2009,12:12) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,11:53) Quote (942767 @ Dec. 01 2009,11:43) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 29 2009,08:24) When Jesus says: In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. John 14:1-3 How is it that most people believe that Jesus is saying that there is no way to God except through him? Now in talking about Israel it is a “nation” but God speaks about Nations Genesis 17 (King James Version) 4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Hi BD: If you will read these verses in context you will see that he does say that “no man can come to the Father but by him”. Quote Jhn 14:1 ¶ Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.   Jhn 14:2   In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.   Jhn 14:3   And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.   Jhn 14:4   And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.   Jhn 14:5   Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?   Jhn 14:6   Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Love in Christ, Marty He also says: These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: Matthew 10:4-6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matthew 10:5-7 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matthew 15:23-25 Why aren't these permanent for you but the “No one comes to the Father except through me” is permanent and applicble to you. Hi BD: Because he says he has other sheep that belongs to his fold, and he will also bring them in. Quote Jhn 10:14   I am the good shepherd, and know my [sheep], and am known of mine.   Jhn 10:15   As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.   Jhn 10:16   And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.   Jhn 10:17   Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.   Jhn 10:18   No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.   This is what Jesus said: Quote Jhn 10:16   AND OTHER SHEEP I HAVE, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd Love in Christ, Marty Okay, so how could you say that these sheep are the gentiles when he said don't go to them? Still you have not answered why you can say that Jesus statement applied “In general” for all time in one verse but is a passing statement in other verses. Jesus said that it would be worse for the man that betrayed him than if he was never born but he also said (according to the scriptures) Father forgive them they know not what they do. Which do you see as permanent and which as a passing statement?

Hi BD:

You ask:

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Okay, so how could you say that these sheep are the gentiles when he said don't go to them?

It was necessary that the gospel be preached to all of the Nation of Israel first to give them the opportunity to be saved, and then the gospel was to go to all nations.

Here is where the gospel was first preached to the gentiles.

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Act 10:35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him. Act 10:36 The word which [God] sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:) Act 10:37 That word, , ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; Act 10:38 How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. Act 10:39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: Act 10:40 Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly; Act 10:41 Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, [even] to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead. Act 10:42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God [to be] the Judge of quick and dead. Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins. Act 10:44 ¶ While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

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Isa 11:10 ¶ And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious. Isa 11:11 ¶ And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea. Isa 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

But in turning to the gentile nations, it was God's plan for some of those who had rejected Jesus to be provoked to Jealosy and to be drawn into the body of Christ by those who had been saved of the gentile nations.

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Rom 11:1 ¶ I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, [of] the tribe of Benjamin. Rom 11:2 God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying, Rom 11:3 Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life. Rom 11:4 But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to [the image of] Baal. Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace. Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day. Rom 11:9 And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them: Rom 11:10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway. Rom 11:11 ¶ I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but [rather] through their fall salvation [is come] unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy. Rom 11:12 Now if the fall of them [be] the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness? Rom 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: Rom 11:14 If by any means I may provoke to emulation [them which are] my flesh, and might save some of them. Rom 11:15 For if the casting away of them [be] the reconciling of the world, what [shall] the receiving [of them be], but life from the dead? Rom 11:16 For if the firstfruit [be] holy, the lump [is] also [holy]: and if the root [be] holy, so [are] the branches. Rom 11:17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Rom 11:18 Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Rom 11:19 Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in. Rom 11:20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: Rom 11:21 For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee. Rom 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in [his] goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. Rom 11:23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. Rom 11:24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural [branches], be graffed into their own olive tree? Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. Rom 11:26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:

I am not sure that I have answered all of your questions here, but let's start with what is said above, and if you have any further questions, please ask.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[princess of the king]

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Quote (princess of the king @ Nov. 29 2009,23:35) Quote In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. John 14:1-3 bd, before this gets to be sandpaper again, what place is christ preparing for you? kol tuv What do you mean? God has many mansions and Jesus was talking to those he was preparing a place for indicating that their are other places.

we are misunderstanding each other, which can be understood.

my question again:

What place has Christ prepared for you?

[princess of the king]

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A city which has foundations, whose builder and maker is 'elohim. A city in a heavenly country where 'elohim is not ashamed to be called their 'elohim. And that city will come. And I will be a pillar with his name written in me, and I will rejoice in that city, and what a wedding feast will that be. What peace it shall be, Pĕlesheth and Yĕhuwdah will no longer be split, and we will be one people. Yĕruwshalaim!

selah

[bodhitharta]

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Hi 94, The other sheep are shown in Mt25, saved by the mercy of God towards the merciful. There are not separate folds for Jews and Gentiles and certainly no separate mansion for islam.

Saved by the mercy of God towards the merciful?

Then why do you think that only applies to those who are “in” Christ as you think?

[bodhitharta]

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Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,12:20) Quote (942767 @ Dec. 01 2009,12:12) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,11:53) Quote (942767 @ Dec. 01 2009,11:43) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 29 2009,08:24) When Jesus says: In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. John 14:1-3 How is it that most people believe that Jesus is saying that there is no way to God except through him? Now in talking about Israel it is a “nation” but God speaks about Nations Genesis 17 (King James Version) 4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Hi BD: If you will read these verses in context you will see that he does say that “no man can come to the Father but by him”. Quote Jhn 14:1 ¶ Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.   Jhn 14:2   In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.   Jhn 14:3   And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.   Jhn 14:4   And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.   Jhn 14:5   Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?   Jhn 14:6   Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Love in Christ, Marty He also says: These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: Matthew 10:4-6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matthew 10:5-7 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matthew 15:23-25 Why aren't these permanent for you but the “No one comes to the Father except through me” is permanent and applicble to you. Hi BD: Because he says he has other sheep that belongs to his fold, and he will also bring them in. Quote Jhn 10:14   I am the good shepherd, and know my [sheep], and am known of mine.   Jhn 10:15   As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.   Jhn 10:16   And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.   Jhn 10:17   Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.   Jhn 10:18   No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.   This is what Jesus said: Quote Jhn 10:16   AND OTHER SHEEP I HAVE, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd Love in Christ, Marty Okay, so how could you say that these sheep are the gentiles when he said don't go to them? Still you have not answered why you can say that Jesus statement applied “In general” for all time in one verse but is a passing statement in other verses. Jesus said that it would be worse for the man that betrayed him than if he was never born but he also said (according to the scriptures) Father forgive them they know not what they do. Which do you see as permanent and which as a passing statement? Hi BD: You ask: Quote Okay, so how could you say that these sheep are the gentiles when he said don't go to them? It was necessary that the gospel be preached to all of the Nation of Israel first to give them the opportunity to be saved, and then the gospel was to go to all nations. Here is where the gospel was first preached to the gentiles. Quote Act 10:35   But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.   Act 10:36   The word which [God] sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)   Act 10:37   That word, , ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;   Act 10:38   How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.   Act 10:39   And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:   Act 10:40   Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;   Act 10:41   Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, [even] to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.   Act 10:42   And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God [to be] the Judge of quick and dead.   Act 10:43   To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.   Act 10:44 ¶ While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.   Act 10:45   And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.   Quote Isa 11:10 ¶ And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.   Isa 11:11 ¶ And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.   Isa 11:12   And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.   But in turning to the gentile nations, it was God's plan for some of those who had rejected Jesus to be provoked to Jealosy and to be drawn into the body of Christ by those who had been saved of the gentile nations. Quote Rom 11:1 ¶ I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, [of] the tribe of Benjamin.   Rom 11:2   God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,   Rom 11:3   Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.   Rom 11:4   But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to [the image of] Baal.   Rom 11:5   Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.   Rom 11:6   And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.   Rom 11:7   What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded   Rom 11:8   (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.   Rom 11:9   And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:   Rom 11:10   Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.   Rom 11:11 ¶ I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but [rather] through their fall salvation [is come] unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.   Rom 11:12   Now if the fall of them [be] the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?   Rom 11:13   For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:   Rom 11:14   If by any means I may provoke to emulation [them which are] my flesh, and might save some of them.   Rom 11:15   For if the casting away of them [be] the reconciling of the world, what [shall] the receiving [of them be], but life from the dead?   Rom 11:16   For if the firstfruit [be] holy, the lump [is] also [holy]: and if the root [be] holy, so [are] the branches.   Rom 11:17   And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;   Rom 11:18   Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.   Rom 11:19   Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.   Rom 11:20   Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:   Rom 11:21   For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee.   Rom 11:22   Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in [his] goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.   Rom 11:23   And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.   Rom 11:24   For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural [branches], be graffed into their own olive tree?   Rom 11:25   For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.   Rom 11:26   And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:   I am not sure that I have answered all of your questions here, but let's start with what is said above, and if you have any further questions, please ask. Love in Christ, Marty

Why does not anyone ever give the conclusion of the verses such as:

For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
Romans 11:31-33

Tell me what do you make of this statement? You probably won't be able to answer with scriptures so speak from The Spirit.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
When will you grasp that mercy?
It is accessible to all through Jesus

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 01 2009,14:41)

Hi BD, When will you grasp that mercy? It is accessible to all through Jesus

Romans 11:31-33 says it comes through unbelief.

So what do these two groups not believe in that God can coclude them all in unbelief?

[942767]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,14:39)

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 01 2009,13:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,12:20) Quote (942767 @ Dec. 01 2009,12:12) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,11:53) Quote (942767 @ Dec. 01 2009,11:43) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 29 2009,08:24) When Jesus says: In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. John 14:1-3 How is it that most people believe that Jesus is saying that there is no way to God except through him? Now in talking about Israel it is a “nation” but God speaks about Nations Genesis 17 (King James Version) 4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Hi BD: If you will read these verses in context you will see that he does say that “no man can come to the Father but by him”. Quote Jhn 14:1 ¶ Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.   Jhn 14:2   In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.   Jhn 14:3   And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.   Jhn 14:4   And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.   Jhn 14:5   Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?   Jhn 14:6   Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Love in Christ, Marty He also says: These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: Matthew 10:4-6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matthew 10:5-7 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matthew 15:23-25 Why aren't these permanent for you but the “No one comes to the Father except through me” is permanent and applicble to you. Hi BD: Because he says he has other sheep that belongs to his fold, and he will also bring them in. Quote Jhn 10:14   I am the good shepherd, and know my [sheep], and am known of mine.   Jhn 10:15   As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.   Jhn 10:16   And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.   Jhn 10:17   Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.   Jhn 10:18   No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.   This is what Jesus said: Quote Jhn 10:16   AND OTHER SHEEP I HAVE, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd Love in Christ, Marty Okay, so how could you say that these sheep are the gentiles when he said don't go to them? Still you have not answered why you can say that Jesus statement applied “In general” for all time in one verse but is a passing statement in other verses. Jesus said that it would be worse for the man that betrayed him than if he was never born but he also said (according to the scriptures) Father forgive them they know not what they do. Which do you see as permanent and which as a passing statement? Hi BD: You ask: Quote Okay, so how could you say that these sheep are the gentiles when he said don't go to them? It was necessary that the gospel be preached to all of the Nation of Israel first to give them the opportunity to be saved, and then the gospel was to go to all nations. Here is where the gospel was first preached to the gentiles. Quote Act 10:35   But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.   Act 10:36   The word which [God] sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)   Act 10:37   That word, , ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;   Act 10:38   How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.   Act 10:39   And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:   Act 10:40   Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;   Act 10:41   Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, [even] to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.   Act 10:42   And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God [to be] the Judge of quick and dead.   Act 10:43   To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.   Act 10:44 ¶ While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.   Act 10:45   And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.   Quote Isa 11:10 ¶ And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.   Isa 11:11 ¶ And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.   Isa 11:12   And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.   But in turning to the gentile nations, it was God's plan for some of those who had rejected Jesus to be provoked to Jealosy and to be drawn into the body of Christ by those who had been saved of the gentile nations. Quote Rom 11:1 ¶ I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, [of] the tribe of Benjamin.   Rom 11:2   God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,   Rom 11:3   Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.   Rom 11:4   But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to [the image of] Baal.   Rom 11:5   Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.   Rom 11:6   And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.   Rom 11:7   What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded   Rom 11:8   (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.   Rom 11:9   And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:   Rom 11:10   Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.   Rom 11:11 ¶ I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but [rather] through their fall salvation [is come] unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.   Rom 11:12   Now if the fall of them [be] the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?   Rom 11:13   For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:   Rom 11:14   If by any means I may provoke to emulation [them which are] my flesh, and might save some of them.   Rom 11:15   For if the casting away of them [be] the reconciling of the world, what [shall] the receiving [of them be], but life from the dead?   Rom 11:16   For if the firstfruit [be] holy, the lump [is] also [holy]: and if the root [be] holy, so [are] the branches.   Rom 11:17   And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;   Rom 11:18   Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.   Rom 11:19   Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.   Rom 11:20   Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:   Rom 11:21   For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee.   Rom 11:22   Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in [his] goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.   Rom 11:23   And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.   Rom 11:24   For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural [branches], be graffed into their own olive tree?   Rom 11:25   For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.   Rom 11:26   And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:   I am not sure that I have answered all of your questions here, but let's start with what is said above, and if you have any further questions, please ask. Love in Christ, Marty Why does not anyone ever give the conclusion of the verses such as: For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. Romans 11:31-33 Tell me what do you make of this statement? You probably won't be able to answer with scriptures so speak from The Spirit.

Hi BD:

It means that all of humanity were in unbelief and the gospel is to be preached to every creature.

We are saved by faith, and faith comes by hearing the gospel, and when we hear the wonderful gospel (good news) that God has given His Only Begotten Son to be the proptiation for our sins, and we believe what God has done for us, we can be reconciled to Him and have all of our sins washed away by the precious blood of the lamb of God, and receive the Holy Spirit and eternal life in the world to come.

Love in Christ,
Marty

[bodhitharta]

Quote (942767 @ Dec. 01 2009,14:51)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,14:39) Quote (942767 @ Dec. 01 2009,13:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,12:20) Quote (942767 @ Dec. 01 2009,12:12) Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,11:53) Quote (942767 @ Dec. 01 2009,11:43) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 29 2009,08:24) When Jesus says: In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. John 14:1-3 How is it that most people believe that Jesus is saying that there is no way to God except through him? Now in talking about Israel it is a “nation” but God speaks about Nations Genesis 17 (King James Version) 4 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. Hi BD: If you will read these verses in context you will see that he does say that “no man can come to the Father but by him”. Quote Jhn 14:1 ¶ Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.   Jhn 14:2   In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.   Jhn 14:3   And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.   Jhn 14:4   And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.   Jhn 14:5   Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?   Jhn 14:6   Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Love in Christ, Marty He also says: These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: Matthew 10:4-6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matthew 10:5-7 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Matthew 15:23-25 Why aren't these permanent for you but the “No one comes to the Father except through me” is permanent and applicble to you. Hi BD: Because he says he has other sheep that belongs to his fold, and he will also bring them in. Quote Jhn 10:14   I am the good shepherd, and know my [sheep], and am known of mine.   Jhn 10:15   As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.   Jhn 10:16   And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd.   Jhn 10:17   Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.   Jhn 10:18   No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.   This is what Jesus said: Quote Jhn 10:16   AND OTHER SHEEP I HAVE, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, [and] one shepherd Love in Christ, Marty Okay, so how could you say that these sheep are the gentiles when he said don't go to them? Still you have not answered why you can say that Jesus statement applied “In general” for all time in one verse but is a passing statement in other verses. Jesus said that it would be worse for the man that betrayed him than if he was never born but he also said (according to the scriptures) Father forgive them they know not what they do. Which do you see as permanent and which as a passing statement? Hi BD: You ask: Quote Okay, so how could you say that these sheep are the gentiles when he said don't go to them? It was necessary that the gospel be preached to all of the Nation of Israel first to give them the opportunity to be saved, and then the gospel was to go to all nations. Here is where the gospel was first preached to the gentiles. Quote Act 10:35   But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.   Act 10:36   The word which [God] sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all:)   Act 10:37   That word, , ye know, which was published throughout all Judaea, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached;   Act 10:38   How God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him.   Act 10:39   And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree:   Act 10:40   Him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;   Act 10:41   Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before of God, [even] to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.   Act 10:42   And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God [to be] the Judge of quick and dead.   Act 10:43   To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.   Act 10:44 ¶ While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.   Act 10:45   And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.   Quote Isa 11:10 ¶ And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious.   Isa 11:11 ¶ And it shall come to pass in that day, [that] the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.   Isa 11:12   And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.   But in turning to the gentile nations, it was God's plan for some of those who had rejected Jesus to be provoked to Jealosy and to be drawn into the body of Christ by those who had been saved of the gentile nations. Quote Rom 11:1 ¶ I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, [of] the tribe of Benjamin.   Rom 11:2   God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,   Rom 11:3   Lord, they have killed thy prophets, and digged down thine altars; and I am left alone, and they seek my life.   Rom 11:4   But what saith the answer of God unto him? I have reserved to myself seven thousand men, who have not bowed the knee to [the image of] Baal.   Rom 11:5   Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.   Rom 11:6   And if by grace, then [is it] no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if [it be] of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.   Rom 11:7   What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded   Rom 11:8   (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.   Rom 11:9   And David saith, Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumblingblock, and a recompence unto them:   Rom 11:10   Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.   Rom 11:11 ¶ I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but [rather] through their fall salvation [is come] unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.   Rom 11:12   Now if the fall of them [be] the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?   Rom 11:13   For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:   Rom 11:14   If by any means I may provoke to emulation [them which are] my flesh, and might save some of them.   Rom 11:15   For if the casting away of them [be] the reconciling of the world, what [shall] the receiving [of them be], but life from the dead?   Rom 11:16   For if the firstfruit [be] holy, the lump [is] also [holy]: and if the root [be] holy, so [are] the branches.   Rom 11:17   And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;   Rom 11:18   Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee.   Rom 11:19   Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be graffed in.   Rom 11:20   Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:   Rom 11:21   For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee.   Rom 11:22   Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in [his] goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.   Rom 11:23   And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.   Rom 11:24   For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural [branches], be graffed into their own olive tree?   Rom 11:25   For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.   Rom 11:26   And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:   I am not sure that I have answered all of your questions here, but let's start with what is said above, and if you have any further questions, please ask. Love in Christ, Marty Why does not anyone ever give the conclusion of the verses such as: For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all. Romans 11:31-33 Tell me what do you make of this statement? You probably won't be able to answer with scriptures so speak from The Spirit. Hi BD: It means that all of humanity were in unbelief and the gospel is to be preached to every creature.   We are saved by faith, and faith comes by hearing the gospel, and when we hear the wonderful gospel (good news) that God has given His Only Begotten Son to be the proptiation for our sins, and we believe what God has done for us, we can be reconciled to Him and have all of our sins washed away by the precious blood of the lamb of God, and receive the Holy Spirit and eternal life in the world to come. Love in Christ, Marty

Marty that is not what the scripture is saying it is talking about how the Jews don't believe in Christ and the Gentiles did not believe in God in the way the Jews believed therefore they are both unbelievers according to Paul

Romans 11:28-35 (King James Version)

28As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.

29For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

30For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:

31Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.

Come on Bishop, see the truth!

[NickHassan]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,14:35)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 01 2009,12:42) Hi 94, The other sheep are shown in Mt25, saved by the mercy of God towards the merciful. There are not separate folds for Jews and Gentiles and certainly no separate mansion for islam. Saved by the mercy of God towards the merciful? Then why do you think that only applies to those who are “in” Christ as you think?

Hi BD,
God does not limit His mercy to those joined to Christ.

He does not forget His promises to show mercy to those who offer a cup of water to the brothers of Jesus.

[terraricca]

hi
It is understand that the intire scritures call for the gathering of Gods people only,the scriptures discribes very well who are the people who are aproved by God,
so the Jews were Gods choosen people but history said that they did not believed God ;prove the did not obey is way.
now the gentils believed in so called god they believed in hiegher powers ,but not to the thrue God so by the preaching of the apostels
God had given them mercy,and give them knowledge of him.so that He may give them grace.

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Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 01 2009,15:34)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Dec. 01 2009,14:35) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Dec. 01 2009,12:42) Hi 94, The other sheep are shown in Mt25, saved by the mercy of God towards the merciful. There are not separate folds for Jews and Gentiles and certainly no separate mansion for islam. Saved by the mercy of God towards the merciful? Then why do you think that only applies to those who are “in” Christ as you think? Hi BD, God does not limit His mercy to those joined to Christ. He does not forget His promises to show mercy to those who offer a cup of water to the brothers of Jesus.

You seem to forget what you say from time to time.

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