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I figured since you answered terraricca, you would not repeat yourself answering me.
So let me show you what I disagree with what you said, I went back a few scriptures to see what is was really talking about.
In Dan. 8:9 it talks about the Roman kingdom, little horn, becoming an empire.Dan 8:10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
The host of heaven are the Israelites, God's people. Rome persecuted and executed Jews.
Dan 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
Rome magnified himself even to the prince of host; the prince of Jews was Jesus Christ.
By destroying the temple, sanctuary, in 70 AD, they took away the daily sacrifice.
But the next verse is a reference to the coming Antichrist.Dan 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
If this was still speaking of Rome, it would be a repetition of v. 11.
This sacrifice is speaking of Christs, daily, meaning, ongoing, never have to be repeated sacrifice.
Who was given an host, a great following, against Christs sacrifice? Antichrist, the pope. He came up with the Mass sacrifice, during which they claim Christ dies again and again for our sins; they say that is the only way we can have our daily sins forgiven. That is the “transgression”, or abomination, that is what cast the truth to the ground; they also say you have to first confess your sins to a priest, a man, and “HE” will forgive you your sins; and did not the Catholic church prosper?
However, I stand by what I said about v. 13 and 14; 2300 days will never get you to 70 AD, counting from the middle of the fifth Century BC.this is what you said
I believe the black part of this verse is talking about Jesus the messiah.
I believe the last part of the verse is talking about 1914 when Allenbywhat you didn't say is, how did you get to that conclusion?
Have you ever heard of the “SEVEN TIMES MORE PUNISHMENT”, Lev. 26:18, and what it means?
That punishment started with the invasion by the Babylonians 606 BC, also called, the times of the Gentiles, the time which Israelites would be ruled over by Gentile nations. 7 times 360 days, a year for a day = 2520 years, comes to 1914, the beginning of WW1, during the war the British cleared the way for the Israelites, 1917, to return to their land, by driving out the Muslim Turks who occupied it. In 1918 the British secretary of state for foreign affairs, promised British support to make Palestine a home for the Jewish people.you said this
As far as all the Catholic stuff Georg mentions, it is speculative, arbitrary, and irrelevant!Speculative: only if you don't know history; arbitrary: why would you say that?
Irrelevant?: that shows how little you understand about the Catholic church.you said this
The black part is spoken of in greater detail in Daniel 9:24-27…your black part has nothing to do with these scriptures.
Do you even understand what the 70 weeks foretell?
From the time the command was given to restore the city, to the baptism of Jesus, were 69 weeks, or 483 years. Right after baptism, the seventieth week, was when Christs ministry started, 3 and a half years later he was cut of, crucified. His disciples continued to preach the gospel, only in Judea; WHY?
because Jesus had told them to.Mat 10:5 ¶ These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.God had promised the Holy Spirit to the Israelites first, the 70 weeks. Only after the 70 weeks were up, did God pour out his Holy Spirit on the Gentiles also.
Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
That is what the 70 were all about.
you said this
The Book of Acts completes the 70 weeks of Daniel(490 years);
as most of the Apostles were killed 3 ½ years after Jesus was.I like to see you prove that with scriptures.
Peter and Paul were executed in Rome about in the middle of the first Century.I don't won't to sound cynical, but I think you should study your Bible, and history, more than you do your numbers.
Georg
Quote (banana @ Dec. 20 2009,05:24) Ed I figured since you answered terraricca, you would not repeat yourself answering me.
So let me show you what I disagree with what you said, I went back a few scriptures to see what is was really talking about.
In Dan. 8:9 it talks about the Roman kingdom, little horn, becoming an empire.Dan 8:10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
The host of heaven are the Israelites, God's people. Rome persecuted and executed Jews.
Dan 8:11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
Rome magnified himself even to the prince of host; the prince of Jews was Jesus Christ.
By destroying the temple, sanctuary, in 70 AD, they took away the daily sacrifice.
But the next verse is a reference to the coming Antichrist.Dan 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
If this was still speaking of Rome, it would be a repetition of v. 11.
This sacrifice is speaking of Christs, daily, meaning, ongoing, never have to be repeated sacrifice.
Who was given an host, a great following, against Christs sacrifice? Antichrist, the pope. He came up with the Mass sacrifice, during which they claim Christ dies again and again for our sins; they say that is the only way we can have our daily sins forgiven. That is the “transgression”, or abomination, that is what cast the truth to the ground; they also say you have to first confess your sins to a priest, a man, and “HE” will forgive you your sins; and did not the Catholic church prosper?
However, I stand by what I said about v. 13 and 14; 2300 days will never get you to 70 AD, counting from the middle of the fifth Century BC.this is what you said
I believe the black part of this verse is talking about Jesus the messiah.
I believe the last part of the verse is talking about 1914 when Allenbywhat you didn't say is, how did you get to that conclusion?
Have you ever heard of the “SEVEN TIMES MORE PUNISHMENT”, Lev. 26:18, and what it means?
That punishment started with the invasion by the Babylonians 606 BC, also called, the times of the Gentiles, the time which Israelites would be ruled over by Gentile nations. 7 times 360 days, a year for a day = 2520 years, comes to 1914, the beginning of WW1, during the war the British cleared the way for the Israelites, 1917, to return to their land, by driving out the Muslim Turks who occupied it. In 1918 the British secretary of state for foreign affairs, promised British support to make Palestine a home for the Jewish people.you said this
As far as all the Catholic stuff Georg mentions, it is speculative, arbitrary, and irrelevant!Speculative: only if you don't know history; arbitrary: why would you say that?
Irrelevant?: that shows how little you understand about the Catholic church.you said this
The black part is spoken of in greater detail in Daniel 9:24-27…your black part has nothing to do with these scriptures.
Do you even understand what the 70 weeks foretell?
From the time the command was given to restore the city, to the baptism of Jesus, were 69 weeks, or 483 years. Right after baptism, the seventieth week, was when Christs ministry started, 3 and a half years later he was cut of, crucified. His disciples continued to preach the gospel, only in Judea; WHY?
because Jesus had told them to.Mat 10:5 ¶ These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
Mat 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.God had promised the Holy Spirit to the Israelites first, the 70 weeks. Only after the 70 weeks were up, did God pour out his Holy Spirit on the Gentiles also.
Act 10:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.
That is what the 70 were all about.
you said this
The Book of Acts completes the 70 weeks of Daniel(490 years);
as most of the Apostles were killed 3 ½ years after Jesus was.I like to see you prove that with scriptures.
Peter and Paul were executed in Rome about in the middle of the first Century.I don't won't to sound cynical, but I think you should study your Bible, and history, more than you do your numbers.
Georg
Hi Georg,Everybody(all us believers) have the place in God's kingdom,
I think our 3 posts combined adds a lot of insight to the holy Scriptures.I have always been concerned with the spiritual rather than the physical.
Your insight adds a lot, the historical record is certainly part of the “proof” that God exists!
Thanks for the start of this study on Daniel as well as this last post!
Truly your book can help me finish mine; if you are still interested in “giving” it to me.
God bless you Georg,
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orghi gene
this is my findings on free will,Is there free will? well some will say no there is no free will because our choices are influenced and so restricted in options, so the question would be rather if the choices are influenced his there a free will in the influenced choices?, yes I would say, man is influence by himself and the other influence comes from God trough is conscience of awareness of good and evil, or do Gods will or not.
Now the free will to those choices are well establish in Christians all around the world and since the beginning; Jas 1:21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Jas 1:23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
Jas 1:24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
Jas 1:25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
Jas 1:26 If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
This way of thinking was also that of Christ; Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
What is Jesus words means to worship in spirit and truth?
This is worshiping from the inside out from the heart, why in truth? this would be because GOD is truth and whatever you may think in your heart false or true, right or wrong your understanding is that God knows what you thinking ,and now what you will do is in your free will of action, ether way your only influence is in your own hands. This was the case of Judas Iscariot, he was deceived by his own thinking.
Jesus tempted by the Pharisees illustrate as well; Joh 8:5 Now Moses in the law commanded us, that such should be stoned: but what sayest thou?
Joh 8:6 This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.
Joh 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
We can see how Jesus touches their inner conscience by his respond, they had to decide if I throw a stone it means I have no sin, so again they were placed in their position of free will before the question on hand not forced on them but by themselves ,and their thinking.
Those are just a few examples ,the bible is full of them in the same way. even old testament ,always a free will to do or not to do Gods will.
It is not a matter of using your will against gods will this would imply fighting against God, and choosing to do so.
Everyone of us as a will ,and what God wants is that we free willingly choose to serve him the same way Christ our lord did for not our glory but for GOD S GLORY,amenQuote (terraricca @ Dec. 20 2009,07:29) hi gene Is there free will?
Hi Terraricca,Yes; of course there is!
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecodehi ED j
i have look at you version and it is a little similar as to georg version,
what seems to me not right is the explanation of Daniel 8 13,it is more related to Mathew 24;15t 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
Mat 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:
if you read history related to what happen the four years prior to 70 AD(titus)and why Jesus say those words to his disciples,
in Jerusalem.this was said to make the Christians aware what to look for so they may escape the trap.you say that the majority of the aposteles died within 3.5 years of Christ dead were you get that info
??
and i never could make a connection to today Israel, because she as been replaced by the heavenly Jerusalem and Christ as King and high Priest.as for the 70 week calculation i agree to it .
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