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But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain,
thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people:
the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.You said this referred to Jesus? He was cast out of the grave like an abominal branch? He destroyed the land?
Are you saying that Jesus is Satan?
Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 22 2009,08:35) But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain,
thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people:
the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.You said this referred to Jesus? He was cast out of the grave like an abominal branch? He destroyed the land?
Are you saying that Jesus is Satan?
Hi BD,You amaze me how you do not understand the Scriptures.
“GOD The Father” raised Jesus from the dead. (Gal.1:1)
Col.2:9 For in him(Jesus) dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.Romans 1:20-23 For the invisible things of him(YHVH) from the creation of the world are clearly seen,
being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead;
so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God,
they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful;
but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man…When Jesus died, that is WHEN 'Satan' was extracted from the GODHEAD.
Satan destroyed the land, Jesus took him(Satan) down with his(Jesus' decease);
Knowing GOD The Father would raise Him(Jesus) up.Those things only happened to Jesus dead body; NOT to Jesus!
Understand that was how 'Satan' was extracted from the GODHEAD.Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 22 2009,08:29) So, Satan was a part of the Godhead in what way? All those violent scenes in the Bible are Islamic?
Hi BD,Can't you see the violence playing out in that part of the world?
You have trouble understanding the simplest of theology; and yet you want me to explain the deepest points to you.
These words God said to Job
Job 38:4-7 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Satan was originally one of the sons of God; but he rebelled against God, and needed to be extracted from God.Jesus came to Earth to extract ‘Satan’ from God’s presents.
John 17:12 While I(Jesus) was with them in the world, I kept them in thy(YHVH) name:
those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition(Satan);
that the scripture might be fulfilled.Read Job Chapter 41, all of it refers to Satan.
Quote (Ed J @ Nov. 22 2009,14:31) Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 22 2009,08:29) So, Satan was a part of the Godhead in what way? All those violent scenes in the Bible are Islamic?
Hi BD,Can't you see the violence playing out in that part of the world?
You have trouble understanding the simplest of theology; and yet you want me to explain the deepest points to you.
These words God said to Job
Job 38:4-7 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Satan was originally one of the sons of God; but he rebelled against God, and needed to be extracted from God.Jesus came to Earth to extract ‘Satan’ from God’s presents.
John 17:12 While I(Jesus) was with them in the world, I kept them in thy(YHVH) name:
those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition(Satan);
that the scripture might be fulfilled.Read Job Chapter 41, all of it refers to Satan.
You mean the son of perdition is not Judas?Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 22 2009,17:19) Hi Ed,
What is this godhead?
Hi Nick,Col.2:9 For in him(Jesus) dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
John 6:38 For I(Jesus) came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
Rev.13:8 …the Lamb(Jesus) slain from the foundation of the world.Jesus explained to his disciples he was going to Jerusalem to be crucified.
Matt.20:19 And shall deliver him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify him: and the third day he shall rise again.At this point in time he affirms his fate that he is going to go through with it.
John 12:27 Now is my soul troubled; and what shall I say? Father, save me from this hour:
but for this cause(determined before the foundation of the world) came I unto this hour.Likewise when Jesus stated “I have finished the work which thou(Holy Spirit) gavest me to do.
That did NOT mean that the work was already finished; but that He was determined to finish it.
That is why He said (while hanging on the cross) before He died “it is finished” and then died!Jesus death on the cross was to make a separation between GOD and 'Satan' in himself.
Though might seem odd, because It has never been presented this way before; yet all the pieces fit in this manner.Examine Isaiah 14:12-20 How art thou fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer(Satan), son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High(YHVH).
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying,
Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms;
That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners?
All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house.But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain,
thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people:
the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.After Jesus said “it is finished” he died.
Then while the body lay dead on the cross, He was thrust through with a spear,
and because He was resurrected, his body was (in essence) cast from the grave.
Jesus is also called “The Branch” in Zech 3:8.
So biased on all the evidence I conclude that Jesus came down out of Heaven to make a separation between GOD and Satan in himself.Knowing full well that “GOD The Father” would raise him back from the dead(Gal.1:1); once the Satan part had been removed in death.
God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 22 2009,18:13) Hi Ed,
So God dwells in Jesus.
Lucifer is never identified as Satan.Thin evidence IMO
No Nick,He is saying that Jesus had God and Satan dwelling in himself so he had to be beaten and tormented and killed to get Satan out of him so he can go back up to God “Satan free” however it is a really foolish notion but it almost sounds like Gene's idea that Satan tempting Jesus was only Satan in himself.
What's funny is you guys here prefer this kind of bizarre speculation over PURE MONOTHEISM
Quote (terraricca @ Nov. 22 2009,09:49) Hi BD
as long you using a miror to read the scriptures in the bible ,you will be confused by your reflection.
and never come to the plain understanding of the thruth of Christ.
Terraricca is right, your to busy looking at your own reflection to pay attention to what others tell you concerning God!Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 22 2009,18:49) He is saying that Jesus had God and Satan dwelling in himself so he had to be beaten and tormented and killed to get Satan out of him
so he can go back up to God “Satan free” however it is a really foolish notion but it almost sounds like Gene's idea that Satan tempting Jesus was only Satan in himself.What's funny is you guys here prefer this kind of bizarre speculation over PURE MONOTHEISM
What you have just said is totally outrageous.
That is what you are saying, go back and reread all the things I have said.It seems that you continually try to make the bible wrong, in your attempt to make your holy-book right?
Yet at the same time you keep showing using selected bible verses to try to corroborate your false beliefs.
When others(including myself) show Bible verses that flat out disagree with your false beliefs, you ignore them?Because the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in Jesus(in the flesh 33AD),
how does that mean that God somehow becomes less than Monotheistic?
The reason Jesus died to extract ‘Satan’ from the Godhead is for our benefit;
so we could be the way God created man in the first place.
2Cor.5:21 For he(God) hath made him(Jesus) to be sin for us,
who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.John 12:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground
and die(Jesus=74 speaking of himself), it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much “fruit”=74(speaking of us believers).
God now dwells in us(God’s children), that does not make God less than Monotheistic either.You need to turn to the living GOD, so the ‘Satan, part can be extracted from you as well!
It's funny you should mention Gene, because he is another who illustrates the futility of your faulty position!Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 22 2009,18:49) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 22 2009,18:13) Hi Ed,
So God dwells in Jesus.
Lucifer is never identified as Satan.Thin evidence IMO
No Nick,He is saying that Jesus had God and Satan dwelling in himself so he had to be beaten and tormented and killed to get Satan out of him
so he can go back up to God “Satan free” however it is a really foolish notion but it almost sounds like Gene's idea that Satan tempting Jesus was only Satan in himself.What's funny is you guys here prefer this kind of bizarre speculation over PURE MONOTHEISM
Hi BD,You need to get 'Satan' extracted from your 'antichrist'=121 'perception'=121.
How you have twisted what I have said.Only after Jesus was dead, does the Lucifer connection come in; NOT while Jesus was alive!
Just because you do not believe Jesus did live a sin free life, you cannot make your false beliefs apply to my words.
You also cannot make The Bible to agree with your false beliefs either?PS. 'Satan's'=74 name is 'Lucifer'=74; stop making him your god(BD),
by passing on in writing with 'ink'=34, his false doctrines!Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 23 2009,13:11) Hi ED,
Your claims are bizarre to say the least.
Hi Nick,In what way?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 23 2009,13:15) Hi ED,
There is no darkness nor shadow of turning in our God.
Hi Nick,What you have just said adds no clarity to what you have said before? Your claims are bizarre to say the least?
In what way?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 23 2009,13:40) Hi BD,
So if lucifer means satan you will have more than one verse to prove it surely?[2Cor13.1]
Hi Nick,Though this is a bit lengthy, I believe you reading it will sure help you to understand things as I do.
Isaiah 14:11 THY POMP IS BROUGHT DOWN TO THE GRAVE, and the noise of thy viols:
the worm is spread under thee, and the worms cover thee. How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer,
son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God:
I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.Ezek.28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering,
the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald,
and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
Thou(Lucifer) art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I(YHVH) have set thee so : thou wast upon the holy mountain of God;
thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways
from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.These verses point to Lucifer=74 (Satan’s=74 name); Theomatics also show a match.
Nahum 1:14 And the LORD(YHVH) hath given a commandment concerning thee(Lucifer=74)…
I(Jesus=74) will make thy grave(Col 2:9); for thou art vile.The JW’s consider Jesus to be Michael the Archangel; there may be something to this belief.
Rev.12:7-10 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon;
and the dragon fought and his angels, And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world:
he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven,
Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ:
for the accuser of our brethren(Satan means accuser) is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
These verses paint the picture that describes the only possible current explanation(I have already given) (Rev.10:7)
to describe the meaning of…Isaiah 14:19-20 But thou(Lucifer=74) art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain,
thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet.
Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people:
the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.Now notice what the next verse says…
Isaiah 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; THAT THEY RAISE NOT,
nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
This does NOT apply to “Jesus”=74, because he was resurrected by “GOD The Father”(Gal.1:1)
And it does NOT apply to us believers either because of…
John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son,
and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.Take a look at these verses together…
Rev.13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns,
and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. (note the similar description to Rev.12:3-5)
Rev.12:3-5 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns,
and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth:
and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child(Jesus) was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
Nahum 1:9-11 What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise up the second time.
For while they be folden together as thorns, and while they are drunken as drunkards, they shall be devoured as stubble fully dry.
There is one(Lucifer=74) come out of thee(Jesus=74), that imagineth evil against the LORD(YHVH), a wicked counsellor.Though this explanation is a bit lengthy, I believe it explains my conclusions rather accurately!
God Bless you Nick, and thanks for asking. (2Timothy 2:13)
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgPS. A large part of my free e-book explains this in great detail.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 23 2009,16:49) Hi ED,
So no evidence.
Why do you teach on one verse implications?
Hi Nick,I’m taking it that you at least understand the concept; the same goes for you as BD,
I’m not asking you to agree with me, only to understand completely what I have said.
You do understand the concept I have explained, don't you?
All these verses hardly constitute ‘one verse’.Isaiah 14:11-20
Ezek.28:11-26
Nahum 1:5-14
Rev.12:1-17God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 23 2009,13:40) Hi BD,
So if lucifer means satan you will have more than one verse to prove it surely?[2Cor13.1]
You mean ED
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