My eye has been opened

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 17 2009,14:05)

Hi BD, We change daily as our Father teaches us more.

Well, Amen! God Bless You!

[Proclaimer]

After reading this, I am more convinced that this forum should be for believers only. As the topics here are for those who believe that Jesus is the messiah and son of the living God.

This area is not the place for other religions or followers of other men to tout their message. There are other places outside this area for that.

I am open to setting up a forum for debates like this. Just not here.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (t8 @ Nov. 17 2009,21:36)

After reading this, I am more convinced that this forum should be for believers only. As the topics here are for those who believe that Jesus is the messiah and son of the living God. This area is not the place for other religions or followers of other men to tout their message. There are other places outside this area for that. I am open to setting up a forum for debates like this. Just not here.

Why would I be debating whether Jesus is The Christ when I have NEVER not even once said he was not the messiah?

In-fact I have Said hundreds of times and still counting that JESUS IS CHRIST some here have taken lord to mean GOD but there is ONLY ONE GOD so if you take Jesus as your GOD I will debate that but we already agree he is The Christ of God.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Not of your god though.
The God of Israel.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 18 2009,07:14)

Hi BD, Not of your god though. The God of Israel.

The God of Israel is the only God, when will you learn?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Then why do you choose to serve another of man's design?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 18 2009,07:36)

Hi BD, Then why do you choose to serve another of man's design?

You make Christ your God, you desire me to do the same but that would cause me to sin so why do you try to cause me to stumble and become POLYTHEISTIC?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
No Jesus is the appointed Lord of all and the vine us branches live in.
Why did you abandon the God of Israel and His Words?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 18 2009,09:31)

Hi BD, No Jesus is the appointed Lord of all and the vine us branches live in. Why did you abandon the God of Israel and His Words?

You deny the LORD of JESUS making Jesus your lord disregarding the One who created him.

[RokkaMan]

Jesus would of called The Father Allah in his native tongue…Islam is the same abrahamic religion as christianity with a different perspective…following a different prophet.

As old israeli's followed Moses, and christians follow Jesus, Islamist follow Mohamed.

Only difference is that the mojaority believe Jesus is equal with the other prophets like mohamed and Moses…where us as christians believe he has a unique position as the Son of the Eternal God.

It seems tho, that BD believes in line with Chrisitianity tho he's a muslim…

I think it's fair that he debates on this forum…after all he's a believer.

Chrisitianity is a relation with God, not a religion.
Islam is a religion…some choose to be a part, some don't.

I think all man made religion is bad when trying to understand God, but good in teaching displine and morality.

[NickHassan]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Nov. 18 2009,10:03)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 18 2009,09:31) Hi BD, No Jesus is the appointed Lord of all and the vine us branches live in. Why did you abandon the God of Israel and His Words? You deny the LORD of JESUS making Jesus your lord disregarding the One who created him.

Hi BD,
You misjudge from ignorance.

You need to fellowship with the Father and the Son and believe in both the Lord Jesus and his God.[2Jn,Jn14]

[bodhitharta]

Quote (RokkaMan @ Nov. 20 2009,04:17)

Jesus would of called The Father Allah in his native tongue…Islam is the same abrahamic religion as christianity with a different perspective…following a different prophet. As old israeli's followed Moses, and christians follow Jesus, Islamist follow Mohamed. Only difference is that the mojaority believe Jesus is equal with the other prophets like mohamed and Moses…where us as christians believe he has a unique position as the Son of the Eternal God. It seems tho, that BD believes in line with Chrisitianity tho he's a muslim… I think it's fair that he debates on this forum…after all he's a believer. Chrisitianity is a relation with God, not a religion. Islam is a religion…some choose to be a part, some don't. I think all man made religion is bad when trying to understand God, but good in teaching displine and morality.

Very well stated:

(2) Those apostles We endowed with gifts, some above others: To one of them Allah spoke; others He raised to degrees (of honour); to Jesus the son of Mary We gave clear (Signs), and strengthened him with the holy spirit. If Allah had so willed, succeeding generations would not have fought among each other, after clear (Signs) had come to them, but they (chose) to wrangle, some believing and others rejecting. If Allah had so willed, they would not have fought each other; but Allah Fulfilleth His plan.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #253)

You were 100% correct

And they have been commanded no more than this: To worship Allah, offering Him sincere devotion, being true (in faith); to establish regular prayer; and to practise regular charity; and that is the Religion Right and Straight.
( سورة البينة , Al-Bayyina, Chapter #98, Verse #5)

[bodhitharta]

Jesus is very close to God just how in the Bible we say he is at the right hand of God

(2) Behold! the angels said: “O Mary! allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to allah.
( سورة آل عمران , Aal-e-Imran, Chapter #3, Verse #45)

But remember the Bible always mentions those who will be at that same table mentioning Abraham, Elijah, Moses and others with very high regard. All true believers should honour all those who did the will of God just like we should honour each other

[NickHassan]

Hi bD,
Why offer this folly?
We seek for truth where it is found-in the Word of God.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 20 2009,06:07)

Hi bD, Why offer this folly? We seek for truth where it is found-in the Word of God.

Matthew 8:11-13 (King James Version)

11And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

Doesn't God give great honour to these and other prophets?

Isn't this scriptural fact?

Matthew 17:3-5 (King James Version)

3And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

4Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.

Great honour indeed!

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Why not join them?
Toss away your false prophet and his teachings and return to Jesus and his God.

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 20 2009,06:44)

Hi BD, Why not join them? Toss away your false prophet and his teachings and return to Jesus and his God.

I have been with Jesus and his God yet you believe that you have two lords but The Lord God is ONE LORD

your belief may be elementary but I understood what Christ meant about being mature, you hold onto the door afraid to go in, you take the anointed as your lord and you dispute whether God Almighty is your Lord, The Fact is God is your LORD and there are not two lords but you think worldly minded you also have a father but spiritually how many Fathers do you have?

I want you to grow and God knows I love you deeply and always have since I came here but I long for you to SUBMIT completely to God and accept Jesus as your friend as he said:

John 15:13-15 (King James Version)

14Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.

15Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

So why not go through the door and WORSHIP GOD and say THANK YOU JESUS! It's not just Jesus and his God, because GOD of all flesh and His sovereign Nature is without Jesus but you worship The Messenger of God, The Christ of God.

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
Yes he said that to those who were faithful.
But you left him for another teacher?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ Nov. 20 2009,09:50)

Hi BD, Yes he said that to those who were faithful. But you left him for another teacher?

Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would continue to teach us and you said Paul taught us further from this tradition and what about others after Paul or did the Holy Spirit teaching us stop with Paul? In other words is the end of the Bible the end of The Holy Spirit teaching us?

[NickHassan]

Hi BD,
The Spirit does not speak of His own initiative but reminds us of the words of Christ.
Paul and his brothers continued the work by Christ in them.
You follow another teacher.

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