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Quote (shimmer @ Feb. 16 2012,07:58) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 15 2012,08:15) You see ED the problem is everything is so flexible and unclear in most of the Bible it doesn't have the same clarity of The Quran and this is why God sent the Quran down, to dispell alot of the confusion that people like you are wracked with everyday.
Bod,Jesus is standing at the door and knocking.
The door is the heart.With what you said above,
The trouble with the Quran compared to the Bible is, the Bible says nothing definate about the punishment of sinners. When you analyze the text, it is death (Permanant death) which is the wages of sin.
However, the Quran says hell is the punishment of the dead, and there is no way around what it says, and what it says is not humane.
The God of the Old Testement and the Father of Jesus in the New is love Bod.
So what you are saying is that the bible is not clear about Hell? That makes you feel good?Christians can't even agree on hell but can I ask you this is Hell even any sort of punishment? You simply say it means you just die and don't exist right well that is what the Atheists say and they say that is what is expected by them that you live and you die and that's it.
If that's true what would be even the point of mentioning hell at all.
Jesus is the one who made me believe in Hell and its lasting torment otherwise why would he say it is better to gouge out your eye or cut off your hand than to enter hell if hell just meant not to exist anymore it wouldn't be better to gouge out your eye or cut off your hand during your one and only life would it?
Quote (shimmer @ Feb. 16 2012,10:18) Bod, please put away your Quran and return to Jesus.
Shimmer, please pick up your Quran and follow JesusQuote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 16 2012,12:32) Shimmer, please pick up your Quran and follow Jesus
No, Bod, I don't need to open a Quran. You need to get back to JESUS.Jesus loves you.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 16 2012,12:31) So what you are saying is that the bible is not clear about Hell? That makes you feel good? Christians can't even agree on hell but can I ask you this is Hell even any sort of punishment? You simply say it means you just die and don't exist right well that is what the Atheists say and they say that is what is expected by them that you live and you die and that's it.
If that's true what would be even the point of mentioning hell at all.
Jesus is the one who made me believe in Hell and its lasting torment otherwise why would he say it is better to gouge out your eye or cut off your hand than to enter hell if hell just meant not to exist anymore it wouldn't be better to gouge out your eye or cut off your hand during your one and only life would it?
Bod, I've spent so long debating Hell with 'Eternal Hell Believing Christians' (On other sites) that I… became completely 'Burnt out' with it. They don't hear us. They just banned people.The Bible gives you the opportunity to search out the meaning and SEEK truth on the matter, which is what I did.
However, the Quran gives you no option.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 16 2012,10:32)
Shimmer, please pick up your Quran and follow Jesus
HI BD,The quran didn't exist when Jesus was around.
So how can you possible equate following Jesus to
reading the corrupt 'book of fraud' by a false prophet?
Apparently you didn't think this through too far, huh, BD?B'shem
YHVHBod, I used to go in car rides and for some reason (an earlier experience of a car smash) I was always scared the car would crash and I would die, and go to hell. I never thought I was good enough.
Eventually – after my spiritual experiences with God, I one day questioned it in my mind. I wondered… why people – who never ASKED to be born, they had no option, they were conceived and born and then – what? If they don't believe in Jesus, or are imperfect, they are then sent to an eternal hell in which there is no end to it?
I was disgusted, the more I thought about it, the more it didn't make sense. I asked my Mother. She, along with many others I spoke to, thought it was fair?? Why??
So, the more I thought the more disturbed I became. To think that I and others would be in torment for EVER while others who had it easy, lived forever in happiness?? What??
I went quiet and became angry at God – who I still believed in. I asked myself – What?? Why ARE people following a God who would do that? I mean, I had heard the other side eg: from JWs. But what if these other Christians were telling the truth?
Anyway, one day I prayed and asked.
I told God how I really felt.
(Even though God would already know).
I was shown love, and I KNEW then that this was not true.
Soon – some time after, how long after I do not know, I experienced something else and all I can say is that God is pure love, and to be with God in that love is not something which you can put into words. It is the fullfiillment of everything.
I also found out that some of the words used in Scripture have been changed.
That's where I got tired though. So many debates on other forums which got no-where. People either see it or they don't. Maybe it's a test.
As I said though, the Quran….. no Bod I don't know WHY you read it, really.
I have nothing against the Muslims, as they don't know better, it's all they know.
But HEY, Jesus is revealing himself to them in dreams and visions.
(Did you know this?)
Bod, if a God tormented people forever and ever without end, why worship that? What ARE you worshipping? What are your REASONS to worship?
Quote (shimmer @ Feb. 16 2012,13:07) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 16 2012,12:31) So what you are saying is that the bible is not clear about Hell? That makes you feel good? Christians can't even agree on hell but can I ask you this is Hell even any sort of punishment? You simply say it means you just die and don't exist right well that is what the Atheists say and they say that is what is expected by them that you live and you die and that's it.
If that's true what would be even the point of mentioning hell at all.
Jesus is the one who made me believe in Hell and its lasting torment otherwise why would he say it is better to gouge out your eye or cut off your hand than to enter hell if hell just meant not to exist anymore it wouldn't be better to gouge out your eye or cut off your hand during your one and only life would it?
Bod, I've spent so long debating Hell with 'Eternal Hell Believing Christians' (On other sites) that I… became completely 'Burnt out' with it. They don't hear us. They just banned people.The Bible gives you the opportunity to search out the meaning and SEEK truth on the matter, which is what I did.
However, the Quran gives you no option.
Because Hell is real and Punishment is coming and what's funny is the Quran even prophesies the denying of hell by people:Surah 55
43 This is the Hell which the Sinners deny:
44 In its midst and in the midst of boiling hot water will they wander round!Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 16 2012,17:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 16 2012,10:32)
Shimmer, please pick up your Quran and follow Jesus
HI BD,The quran didn't exist when Jesus was around.
So how can you possible equate following Jesus to
reading the corrupt 'book of fraud' by a false prophet?
Apparently you didn't think this through too far, huh, BD?B'shem
YHVH
Because following what is in the Quran allows you to follow Jesus properly wuthout false beliefs such as Jesus is God or the Trinity or Jesus is the literal son of God or that Mary is the Mother of God or that you should worship Jesus…etc you will finally know the true message of Jesus and his true righteousness and follow that path without speculation or the need for number games and parlour tricksQuote (shimmer @ Feb. 16 2012,19:44) Bod, if a God tormented people forever and ever without end, why worship that? What ARE you worshipping? What are your REASONS to worship?
It's funny you believe in eternal life of endless joy but you don't believe in the opposite so tell me how is it fair that anyone have eternal life and someone else doesn't regardless of where they end up? Think about it why should someone go to heaven for eternity that has done as much evil as someone else who won't.The thing is you don't understand so you rebel against the facts because you can't face them but who said that someone had to stay in hell forever they may only be in hell for a certain amount of time and others may never get out
One day will He gather them all together, (and say): “O ye assembly of Jinns! Much (toll) did ye take of men.” Their friends amongst men will say: “Our Lord! we made profit from each other: but (alas!) we reached our term – which thou didst appoint for us.” He will say: “The Fire be your dwelling-place: you will dwell therein for ever, except as God willeth.” for thy Lord is full of wisdom and knowledge. S. 6:128
you see the Quran makes it clear that God may at His own discretion even retract someone from hell
Bod, so, according to you, 'God at his own discretion can retract someone from hell'.
Is that what most Muslims believe? (I thought I read differently).Either way, the description of Hell in the Quran is just not right. So even if it was for a very very long time, it would seem an eternity to be burnt alive with no escape – in all types of different 'Liquids'. You KNOW what it says in the Quran, Bod.
If people had a choice to go to Heaven or Hell, do you think they would CHOOSE to go to Hell? (I mean, if someone asked you if they could torture you alive, would you willingly say 'Yes'?)
OK, so put people then into groups. Just say everyone on the planet did believe in a Burning Tormenting Torturing Hell. We would have:
1) Those who choose to go to Heaven. Because they want to – and are avoiding Hell.
2) Those who choose to go to Hell because (What would the reason be?) More than likely, they don't want to see their loved ones or ANYONE in there, so take a stand with them.
Now which group is 'Loving their Neighbour as themself'?
Is it not group two?
Is not group one thinking of only themself?Are they not worshipping a FALSE image of God (If God is love).
Are they not doing it because:
A) They are scared of going to Hell, and
B) They WANT to go to heaven?He who tries to save HIS OWN LIFE will lose it. (Luke 9:24)
The wages of sin is…DEATH.
And what is sin?Matt 22.35.
“One of them, a lawyer, asked him a question, to test him.
“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”
And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
This is the great and first commandment.
And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets.”John 15.13 and 17.
“Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends if you do what I command you”.
“This I command you, to love one another”.And who was a liar from the beginning, and what did he say?
Jesus said of the Devil:
John 8.34.
“He was a MURDERER FROM THE BEGINNING, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him”.Gen 3.4.
“But the serpent said to the woman, “YOU WILL NOT DIE”. (Sounds familiar).God said:
Gen 3.19.
“In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; you are dust, and to dust you shall return.”However, Romans 6.23.
“The wages of sin is death, but the FREE GIFT FROM GOD is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord”.John 3.16.
“For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not PERISH but have eternal life.
For God sent the Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him.Rev 20.14.
“Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire;
and if any one's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire”.Bod, God has anger yes. God loves his people. But, God loves the whole world, because God is love. Do you agree with this?
Quote (shimmer @ Feb. 17 2012,07:40) Bod, so, according to you, 'God at his own discretion can retract someone from hell'.
Is that what most Muslims believe? (I thought I read differently).Either way, the description of Hell in the Quran is just not right. So even if it was for a very very long time, it would seem an eternity to be burnt alive with no escape – in all types of different 'Liquids'. You KNOW what it says in the Quran, Bod.
If people had a choice to go to Heaven or Hell, do you think they would CHOOSE to go to Hell? (I mean, if someone asked you if they could torture you alive, would you willingly say 'Yes'?)
OK, so put people then into groups. Just say everyone on the planet did believe in a Burning Tormenting Torturing Hell. We would have:
1) Those who choose to go to Heaven. Because they want to – and are avoiding Hell.
2) Those who choose to go to Hell because (What would the reason be?) More than likely, they don't want to see their loved ones or ANYONE in there, so take a stand with them.
Now which group is 'Loving their Neighbour as themself'?
Is it not group two?
Is not group one thinking of only themself?Are they not worshipping a FALSE image of God (If God is love).
Are they not doing it because:
A) They are scared of going to Hell, and
B) They WANT to go to heaven?He who tries to save HIS OWN LIFE will lose it. (Luke 9:24)
The wages of sin is…DEATH.
And what is sin?Matt 22.35.
“One of them, a lawyer, asked him a question, to test him.
“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”
And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
This is the great and first commandment.
And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets.”John 15.13 and 17.
“Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends if you do what I command you”.
“This I command you, to love one another”.And who was a liar from the beginning, and what did he say?
Jesus said of the Devil:
John 8.34.
“He was a MURDERER FROM THE BEGINNING, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him”.Gen 3.4.
“But the serpent said to the woman, “YOU WILL NOT DIE”. (Sounds familiar).God said:
Gen 3.19.
“In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; you are dust, and to dust you shall return.”However, Romans 6.23.
“The wages of sin is death, but the FREE GIFT FROM GOD is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord”.John 3.16.
“For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not PERISH but have eternal life.
For God sent the Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him.Rev 20.14.
“Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire;
and if any one's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire”.Bod, God has anger yes. God loves his people. But, God loves the whole world, because God is love. Do you agree with this?
The main problem I see with this issue with you is the Christian Idea that if someone doesn't accept Christ as their personal saviour they are going to hell so therefore you know people who don't do this and it makes you sad and you refuse to believe that that qualifies someone to eternal hell fire well I agree with you but the Quran does not say that in-fact if you read the Quran it is very difficult to Go to hell.Do you actually confuse a person who just tries to live their life the best they can even though they make mistakes with a person who practices evil purposely there is no comparison that's why Jesus said that the Tax collectors and the prostitutes well let me let him say it:
Matthew 21:31
King James Version (KJV)
31Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
The point is you see people one way and God sees people another way so you may feel its unjust for some people you know going to hell and you may be right and they weren't going to hell any way but do you really believe that evil should qualify as good?
Don't you believe some people deserve life in prison for commiting unexcuseable heinous crimes or do you believe people who are absolutely evil should be free and given the chance to do more evil?
Bod, you said:
Quote …you see the Quran makes it clear that God may at His own discretion even retract someone from hell... And quoted from the Quran:
Quote One day will He gather them all together, (and say): “O ye assembly of Jinns! Much (toll) did ye take of men.” Their friends amongst men will say: “Our Lord! we made profit from each other: but (alas!) we reached our term – which thou didst appoint for us.” He will say: “The Fire be your dwelling-place: you will dwell therein for ever, except as God willeth.” for thy Lord is full of wisdom and knowledge. S. 6:128 But Bod, it also says (In the Quran):
“They will long to leave the Fire, but never will they leave there from; and theirs will be a lasting torment.” (Quran 5:37)
“And they will never leave of the Fire.” (Quran 2:167)
“Surely, those who disbelieve and did wrong; God will not forgive them, nor will He guide them to any way except the way of Hell, to dwell therein forever.” (Quran 4:168-169)
“Surely, God has cursed the disbelievers, and has prepared for them a flaming Fire wherein they will abide for ever.” (Quran 33:64)
“And whosoever disobeys God and His Messenger, then surely, for him is the fire of Hell, he shall dwell therein forever.” (Quran 72:23)
Hmmm.
Quote Don't you believe some people deserve life in prison for commiting unexcuseable heinous crimes or do you believe people who are absolutely evil should be free and given the chance to do more evil? Yes. And the reason they deserve life also is because they could commit the crime again. So it's to keep society safe, I agree.
However, there is a huge difference in being locked up in Prison and being burnt alive, which is torture.
And according to most Christians, a normal everyday person, who does nothing seriously wrong, is destined to Hell eternally (To them there is no end to it) simply because they refused to become a Christian.
However God gives us that choice – we are not Robots, God does not want Robots, but desires for us to go to Him WILLINGLY. Even if there was no Heaven or Hell but only this life, that we should be greatful for all which God has created, and LOVE GOD as He loves us.
God is a CONSUMING Fire. (Deut 4:24 and Hebrews 12:29)
The Darkness is the life away from God which Jesus speaks of, that is Hell, where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth, because even being tortured on this Earth for God is love, and even that has joy in it, if you can understand me. Darkness has never overcome the light which is love.
If you truly loved someone with all of your heart, you would suffer for them out of love. True?
Quote (shimmer @ Feb. 17 2012,08:25) Bod, you said: Quote …you see the Quran makes it clear that God may at His own discretion even retract someone from hell... And quoted from the Quran:
Quote One day will He gather them all together, (and say): “O ye assembly of Jinns! Much (toll) did ye take of men.” Their friends amongst men will say: “Our Lord! we made profit from each other: but (alas!) we reached our term – which thou didst appoint for us.” He will say: “The Fire be your dwelling-place: you will dwell therein for ever, except as God willeth.” for thy Lord is full of wisdom and knowledge. S. 6:128 But Bod, it also says (In the Quran):
“They will long to leave the Fire, but never will they leave there from; and theirs will be a lasting torment.” (Quran 5:37)
“And they will never leave of the Fire.” (Quran 2:167)
“Surely, those who disbelieve and did wrong; God will not forgive them, nor will He guide them to any way except the way of Hell, to dwell therein forever.” (Quran 4:168-169)
“Surely, God has cursed the disbelievers, and has prepared for them a flaming Fire wherein they will abide for ever.” (Quran 33:64)
“And whosoever disobeys God and His Messenger, then surely, for him is the fire of Hell, he shall dwell therein forever.” (Quran 72:23)
Hmmm.
Some will dwell in there forever just like some will never leave prison they are those who have become set on being evil. You do believe that Satan will be in hell forever don't you?Quote (shimmer @ Feb. 17 2012,08:30) Quote Don't you believe some people deserve life in prison for commiting unexcuseable heinous crimes or do you believe people who are absolutely evil should be free and given the chance to do more evil? Yes. And the reason they deserve life also is because they could commit the crime again. So it's to keep society safe, I agree.
However, there is a huge difference in being locked up in Prison and being burnt alive, which is torture.
And according to most Christians, a normal everyday person, who does nothing seriously wrong, is destined to Hell eternally (To them there is no end to it) simply because they refused to become a Christian.
However God gives us that choice – we are not Robots, God does not want Robots, but desires for us to go to Him WILLINGLY. Even if there was no Heaven or Hell but only this life, that we should be greatful for all which God has created, and LOVE GOD as He loves us.
God is a CONSUMING Fire. (Deut 4:24 and Hebrews 12:29)
The Darkness is the life away from God which Jesus speaks of, that is Hell, where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth, because even being tortured on this Earth for God is love, and even that has joy in it, if you can understand me. Darkness has never overcome the light which is love.
If you truly loved someone with all of your heart, you would suffer for them out of love. True?
We agree and in the Quran Heaven is not granted to only Muslims or Christians or JewsSurely those who believe, and those who are jews, and the christians, and the sabians, whoever believes in Allah(God) and the Last day and does good, they shall have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #62)Nay! do those who have wrought evil deeds think that We will make them like those who believe and do good– that their life and their death shall be equal? Evil it is that they judge.
( سورة الجاثية , Al-Jathiya, Chapter #45, Verse #21)Say: The bad and the good are not equal, though the abundance of the bad may please you; so be careful of (your duty to) Allah, O men of understanding, that you may be successful.
( سورة المائدة , Al-Maeda, Chapter #5, Verse #100)Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 17 2012,03:01) Quote (Ed J @ Feb. 16 2012,17:02) Quote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 16 2012,10:32)
Shimmer, please pick up your Quran and follow Jesus
HI BD,The quran didn't exist when Jesus was around.
So how can you possible equate following Jesus to
reading the corrupt 'book of fraud' by a false prophet?
Apparently you didn't think this through too far, huh, BD?B'shem
YHVH
(1)Because following what is in the Quran allows you to follow Jesus properly(2) wuthout false beliefs such as Jesus is God or the Trinity or Jesus is the literal son of God or that Mary is the Mother of God or that you should worship Jesus…etc (3)you will finally know the true message of Jesus and (4)his true righteousness and follow that path without speculation or the need for number games and parlour tricks
Hi BD,1) FALSE
2) Spin
3) More spin
4) More FALSE claims!For many shall come in my name, saying, I am; and shall deceive many. (Mark 13:6)
But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. (2 Tim 3:13)B'shem
YHVHQuote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 17 2012,03:11) Quote (shimmer @ Feb. 16 2012,19:44) Bod, if a God tormented people forever and ever without end, why worship that? What ARE you worshipping? What are your REASONS to worship?
It's funny you believe in eternal life of endless joy but you don't believe in the opposite so tell me how is it fair that anyone have eternal life and someone else doesn't regardless of where they end up? Think about it why should someone go to heaven for eternity that has done as much evil as someone else who won't.The thing is you don't understand so you rebel against the facts because you can't face them but who said that someone had to stay in hell forever they may only be in hell for a certain amount of time and others may never get out
One day will He gather them all together, (and say): “O ye assembly of Jinns! Much (toll) did ye take of men.” Their friends amongst men will say: “Our Lord! we made profit from each other: but (alas!) we reached our term – which thou didst appoint for us.” He will say: “The Fire be your dwelling-place: you will dwell therein for ever, except as God willeth.” for thy Lord is full of wisdom and knowledge. S. 6:128
you see the Quran makes it clear that God may at His own discretion even retract someone from hell
Hi BD,Do you believe in:
72 virgins
300 boy slavesB'shem
YHVHQuote (bodhitharta @ Feb. 17 2012,08:09) Quote (shimmer @ Feb. 17 2012,07:40) Bod, so, according to you, 'God at his own discretion can retract someone from hell'.
Is that what most Muslims believe? (I thought I read differently).Either way, the description of Hell in the Quran is just not right. So even if it was for a very very long time, it would seem an eternity to be burnt alive with no escape – in all types of different 'Liquids'. You KNOW what it says in the Quran, Bod.
If people had a choice to go to Heaven or Hell, do you think they would CHOOSE to go to Hell? (I mean, if someone asked you if they could torture you alive, would you willingly say 'Yes'?)
OK, so put people then into groups. Just say everyone on the planet did believe in a Burning Tormenting Torturing Hell. We would have:
1) Those who choose to go to Heaven. Because they want to – and are avoiding Hell.
2) Those who choose to go to Hell because (What would the reason be?) More than likely, they don't want to see their loved ones or ANYONE in there, so take a stand with them.
Now which group is 'Loving their Neighbour as themself'?
Is it not group two?
Is not group one thinking of only themself?Are they not worshipping a FALSE image of God (If God is love).
Are they not doing it because:
A) They are scared of going to Hell, and
B) They WANT to go to heaven?He who tries to save HIS OWN LIFE will lose it. (Luke 9:24)
The wages of sin is…DEATH.
And what is sin?Matt 22.35.
“One of them, a lawyer, asked him a question, to test him.
“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?”
And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
This is the great and first commandment.
And a second is like it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
On these two commandments depend all the law and the prophets.”John 15.13 and 17.
“Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. You are my friends if you do what I command you”.
“This I command you, to love one another”.And who was a liar from the beginning, and what did he say?
Jesus said of the Devil:
John 8.34.
“He was a MURDERER FROM THE BEGINNING, and has nothing to do with the truth, because there is no truth in him”.Gen 3.4.
“But the serpent said to the woman, “YOU WILL NOT DIE”. (Sounds familiar).God said:
Gen 3.19.
“In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread till you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken; you are dust, and to dust you shall return.”However, Romans 6.23.
“The wages of sin is death, but the FREE GIFT FROM GOD is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord”.John 3.16.
“For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not PERISH but have eternal life.
For God sent the Son into the world, not to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him.Rev 20.14.
“Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire;
and if any one's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire”.Bod, God has anger yes. God loves his people. But, God loves the whole world, because God is love. Do you agree with this?
The main problem I see with this issue with you is the Christian Idea that if someone doesn't accept Christ as their personal saviour they are going to hell so therefore you know people who don't do this and it makes you sad and you refuse to believe that that qualifies someone to eternal hell fire well I agree with you but the Quran does not say that in-fact if you read the Quran it is very difficult to Go to hell.Do you actually confuse a person who just tries to live their life the best they can even though they make mistakes with a person who practices evil purposely there is no comparison that's why Jesus said that the Tax collectors and the prostitutes well let me let him say it:
Matthew 21:31
King James Version (KJV)
31Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.
The point is you see people one way and God sees people another way so you may feel its unjust for some people you know going to hell and you may be right and they weren't going to hell any way but do you really believe that evil should qualify as good?
Don't you believe some people deserve life in prison for commiting unexcuseable heinous crimes or do you believe people who are absolutely evil should be free and given the chance to do more evil?
Hi BD, you don't believe in the testimony, nor obey the Gospel?2 Thess 1:7-10 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed
from heaven with his mighty angels, In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God,
and that obey not the gospel(see Gal.1:8) of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with
everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be
glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.B'shem
YHVH
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