Muslim Shoe on the other foot

[Devolution]

FROM: Islam, Making a true difference in the world…one body at a time.

“Muslims are the vilest of animals…”

“Show mercy to one another, but be ruthless to Muslims”

“How perverse are Muslims!”

“Strike off the heads of Muslims, as well as their fingertips”

“Fight those Muslims who are near to you”

“Muslim mischief makers should be murdered or crucified”

Hate speech?  Incitement to violence?  Sounds like it to us, but a knowledgeable Muslim would have to disagree.

Why would Muslims not consider this to be hate speech?  How is it that we can post these quotes with full certainty that CAIR won’t be contacting the media (or Congress) with wild-eyed accusations of Islamophobia?

Well, for one thing, we don’t actually agree with any of these disgusting statements, of course.  No one should be harassed for their religious beliefs (or lack thereof) much less physically assaulted.

But the real reason is that we don’t fear CAIR is because Muslims themselves honestly believe these quotes to be the literal, eternal word of Allah.  In fact, CAIR is promoting this hate speech on their own website!  It is actively propagating the very literature that contains these comments, even while sanctimoniously claiming that it is working against hate and violence.

But… isn’t CAIR a Muslim organization?  What’s the catch?

Well, if you haven’t guessed it already, these are quotes from the Qur’an in which we’ve replaced the word ‘Christian’, ‘Jew’ or ‘unbeliever’ with the word ‘Muslim.’

Here is how they actually appear in the literature that groups like CAIR are pushing:

Sura (8:55) – Surely the vilest of animals in Allah’s sight are those who disbelieve

Sura (48:29) – Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves

Sura (9:30) – And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah… Allah (Himself) fights against them. How perverse are they!

Sura (8:12) – I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them

Sura (9:123) – O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness

Sura (5:33) – The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement

These verses come from five different places in the Qur’an.  There are dozens of others scattered throughout that advocate violence in open-ended fashion.  There are hundreds more that speak of hatred and hell toward Christians, Jews, and other non-believers.   (Is it any wonder that the Muslim world is split largely between those who tacitly support Islamic terror and those who do nothing about it?)

Very few of these verses are bound by historical context within the text of the Qur’an, and any appeal to external sources for mitigation would apply also to the tiny handful of verses that are used (disingenuously) to promote Islam as being loving and tolerant.  More importantly, there is a far greater number of violent verses than ones of tolerance, and most were “revealed” later, thus abrogating the handful of earlier ones.

And yet, this is the book that CAIR wants people to read!  This is what CAIR considers to be holy text, even to the extent that an exact replica of the Qur’an (grammatical errors and all) is said to be on a table in heaven guarded by angels.

So, the next time you hear CAIR smugly accusing its critics of “hate speech,” just remember what the organization’s agenda really is:

They don’t mind hate speech directed at non-Muslims.  In fact, they promote it.

They don’t mind religious minorities being denied rights that Muslims have in Muslims societies.  In fact, they plug fatwas and religious literature that encourage discrimination.

They don’t even mind the vast amount of terrorism in the name of Islam.  In fact, they refuse to specifically acknowledge and denounce more than 99% of it, including the on-going genocide against black Africans by Arabs.

So, don’t be fooled by those Muslims using the new words that they’ve recently discovered, such as ‘bigotry’ and ‘hate speech’.  These mean nothing in the Islamic world, where the supremacy of Islam and  institutionalized discrimination against non-believers are taken for granted.

The language of civil rights and tolerance is merely an ironic tool of convenience for prominent Muslim organizations in the West to advance their cause of Islamic supremacy.  True civil rights organizations are concerned about rights for all people, regardless of race or religion, and this is something that Islam has never been able to produce… and probably never will…

At least according to our Qur’an!

[Devolution]

Where Islam is “Misunderstood”

For some very odd reason, the perfect religion of Islam
is routinely “misunderstood” each and every day to sanction
terrorism in the name of Allah. Since 9/11, this occurs in:

India and the Sudan and Algeria and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Turkey and Morocco and Yemen and Arkansas and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Georgia and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Illinois and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Afghanistan and Chad and Canada and China and Nepal and the Maldives and Argentina and Mali and Angola and the Ukraine and Uganda and North Carolina and Germany and Arizona and Lebanon and Iran and Kazakhstan and Sweden and Azerbaijan and Iraq and Scotland and Macedonia and Bulgaria and…

…and pretty much wherever Islam is taken seriously:

“O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who
are near to you, and let them find harshness in you,
and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty”
Qur'an, Sura 9:123

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Devolution @ Sep. 10 2012,23:00)

Where Islam is “Misunderstood” For some very odd reason, the perfect religion of Islam is routinely “misunderstood” each and every day to sanction terrorism in the name of Allah.  Since 9/11, this occurs in: India and the Sudan and Algeria and New York and Pakistan and Israel and Russia and Chechnya and the Philippines and Indonesia and Nigeria and England and Thailand and Spain and Egypt and Bangladesh and Saudi Arabia and Turkey and Morocco and Yemen and Arkansas and France and Uzbekistan and Gaza and Tunisia and Kosovo and Bosnia and Mauritania and Kenya and Eritrea and Syria and Somalia and California and Kuwait and Virginia and Ethiopia and Georgia and Jordan and United Arab Emirates and Louisiana and Texas and Tanzania and Illinois and Australia and Pennsylvania and Belgium and Denmark and East Timor and Qatar and Maryland and Tajikistan and the Netherlands and Afghanistan and Chad and Canada and China and Nepal and the Maldives and Argentina and Mali and Angola and the Ukraine and Uganda and North Carolina and Germany and Arizona and Lebanon and Iran and Kazakhstan and Sweden and Azerbaijan and Iraq and Scotland and Macedonia and Bulgaria and… …and pretty much wherever Islam is taken seriously: “O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty” Qur'an, Sura 9:123

Not really sure what your point is here but God has consistently had Believers fight nonbelievers all throughout the Bible and Jesus says that people who are unbelievers are going to HELL so you seem to be a little confused about what point you are trying to make.

[Ed J]

Hi BD,

Do you believe it is OK to kill in the name of islam for this reason?

עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2012,06:01)

Hi BD, Do you believe it is OK to kill in the name of islam for this reason? עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)

The Quran says fight those who fight you. But I must ask did th angels come down and KILL entire towns simply because of disbelief?

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 11 2012,15:03)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2012,06:01) Hi BD, Do you believe it is OK to kill in the name of islam for this reason? עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness) The Quran says fight those who fight you. But I must ask did th angels come down and KILL entire towns simply because of disbelief?

Hi BD,

So you do think it is OK then – right?

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2012,16:23)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 11 2012,15:03) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2012,06:01) Hi BD, Do you believe it is OK to kill in the name of islam for this reason? עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness) The Quran says fight those who fight you. But I must ask did th angels come down and KILL entire towns simply because of disbelief? Hi BD, So you do think it is OK then – right?

Think what is okay?

Are you asking is it okay to kill in the name of God?

[Ed J]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 12 2012,13:11)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2012,16:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 11 2012,15:03) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2012,06:01) Hi BD, Do you believe it is OK to kill in the name of islam for this reason? עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness) The Quran says fight those who fight you. But I must ask did th angels come down and KILL entire towns simply because of disbelief? Hi BD, So you do think it is OK then – right? Think what is okay?

to kill in the name of islam

[bodhitharta]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 12 2012,21:11)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 12 2012,13:11) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2012,16:23) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 11 2012,15:03) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 11 2012,06:01) Hi BD, Do you believe it is OK to kill in the name of islam for this reason? עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness) The Quran says fight those who fight you. But I must ask did th angels come down and KILL entire towns simply because of disbelief? Hi BD, So you do think it is OK then – right? Think what is okay? to kill in the name of islam

To kill in the name of God has always been condoned by God Himself.

You would not Kill if God told you to? If you would not then you are not a believer.

[WhatIsTrue]

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 14 2012,02:31)

You would not Kill if God told you to? If you would not then you are not a believer.

You have to admit, Ed. He's got a point there!

I'm going to add that to my list of quotes about why religion is harmful.  It's a much more blunt version of Steven Weinberg's quote:

“Good people will do good things, and bad people will do bad things. But for good people to do bad things — that takes religion.“

[Ed J]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Sep. 14 2012,15:07)

Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 14 2012,02:31) You would not Kill if God told you to? If you would not then you are not a believer. You have to admit, Ed.  He's got a point there! I'm going to add that to my list of quotes about why religion is harmful.  It's a much more blunt version of Steven Weinberg's quote: “Good people will do good things, and bad people will do bad things. But for good people to do bad things — that takes religion.“

Hi WIT: NO, he doesn't!

All the polluted genetics heave been purged from our planet.
And the U.S. judicial system does any necessary executions.

BD only promotes murder, because islam sanctions murder.          …islam is a religion of death.  
Christianity does not sanction murder, but make no mistake about it, we are at war with radical islam.    (see Psalm 83)

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

[WhatIsTrue]

Ed,

So you would not “kill if God told you to”?

[Ed J]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Sep. 15 2012,00:42)

Ed, So you would not “kill if God told you to”?

Hi WIT,

How would you know if it was God doing the talking and not satan?

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

[TimothyVI]

How did Moses, Abraham and Josua know it was God talking and not satan?

Tim

[Ed J]

Quote (TimothyVI @ Sep. 15 2012,06:41)

How did Moses, Abraham and Josua know it was God talking and not satan? Tim

Hi Tim,

Read the story of Gideon, they saw God's miracle working powers as confirmation that it was him.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[WhatIsTrue]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 14 2012,22:42)

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Sep. 15 2012,00:42) Ed, So you would not “kill if God told you to”? Hi WIT, How would you know if it was God doing the talking and not satan? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

Nice dodge!

My actual question was:

So you would not “kill if God told you to”?

I didn't ask you about voices, or visions, (or satan?!?!?).  I asked specifically about what you do if God asked you to kill for him.

The fact that you dodged the answer indicates that you see how crazy the only answer a believer can give sounds.

[TimothyVI]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 15 2012,07:37)

Quote (TimothyVI @ Sep. 15 2012,06:41) How did Moses, Abraham and Josua know it was God talking and not satan? Tim Hi Tim, Read the story of Gideon, they saw God's miracle working powers as confirmation that it was him. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Both Jesus and Moses warned not to test God, but Gideon didn't know that so he asked for proof that even I could have provided, let alone someone with the powers of satan.
I mean, I could have poured water on some fleece one night and put a pile of dry fleece on the floor the next night.

So how did Gideon know that it was God and not satan or an extraterestrial providing the proof?

Tim

[Ed J]

Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Sep. 15 2012,15:11)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 14 2012,22:42) Quote (WhatIsTrue @ Sep. 15 2012,00:42) Ed, So you would not “kill if God told you to”? Hi WIT, How would you know if it was God doing the talking and not satan? God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) Nice dodge! My actual question was: So you would not “kill if God told you to”? I didn't ask you about voices, or visions, (or satan?!?!?).  I asked specifically about what you do if God asked you to kill for him. The fact that you dodged the answer indicates that you see how crazy the only answer a believer can give sounds.

Hi WIT,

No dodge, God wouldn't tell “ME”(Ed J) to kill anyone.
My question to “YOU” was – how would those in your scenario
know if it was God telling them to kill or if it was satan telling them?   
It you instead that is dodging my question to you  –  so please answer.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)

[Ed J]

Quote (TimothyVI @ Sep. 15 2012,20:59)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 15 2012,07:37) Quote (TimothyVI @ Sep. 15 2012,06:41) How did Moses, Abraham and Josua know it was God talking and not satan? Tim Hi Tim, Read the story of Gideon, they saw God's miracle working powers as confirmation that it was him. God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (1)Both Jesus and Moses warned not to test God, but Gideon didn't know that so he asked for proof that even I could have provided, let alone someone with the powers of satan. I mean, I could have poured water on some fleece one night and put a pile of dry fleece on the floor the next night. (2)So how did Gideon know that it was God and not satan or an extraterestrial providing the proof? Tim

Hi Tim,

1) Scripture please.
2) Because the ground everywhere was wet except the fleece that Gideon put on the ground.

You are funny.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[TimothyVI]

Judges 6:37 “behold, I am laying a fleece of wool on the threshing floor. If there is dew on the fleece alone, and it is dry on all the ground, then I shall know that you will save Israel by my hand, as you have said.”

He had to have it both ways as a test Ed.

Tim

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