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Quote (michaels @ Sep. 06 2007,15:52) Quote (charity @ Sep. 04 2007,19:49) hi michaels Psa 99:4 The king's strength also loveth judgment; thou dost establish equity, thou executest judgment and righteousness in Jacob.
Psa 99:5 Exalt ye the LORD our God, and worship at his footstool; [for] he [is] holy.
Moses and Aaron among his priests, and Samuel among them that call upon his name; they called upon the LORD, and he answered them.
He spake unto them in the cloudy pillar: they kept his testimonies, and the ordinance [that] he gave them.
Thou answeredst them, O LORD our God: thou wast a God that forgavest them, though thou tookest vengeance of their inventions. Exalt the LORD our God, and worship at his holy hill; for the LORD our God [is] holy.May God bless you
God still speaks today!!! and clearly they dident keep the law that god spoke,for God canot say ,do not kill, and then say everyone kill your brother. this would make God a liar. let all men be liars and God the TRUTH. God never contradicts himself yet men make him out to be a liar,you bring me psalms from a known adulterer,did not God say he would make two one flesh. how many hearts did david break,hmmm,.he must have had to repent,every second of the day for his sin,that was pilled up to heaven,obedeance is better than sacrifice,yet God will forgive who he will. love you!! got to go its late.
I really would like to believe this theory. I don't know that I'll ever be able to reconcile God's order to kill infant Amalekites with my view of Christ and what is right in his eyes. Exodus 23:27 sounds like it says the enemies will turn their backs and run so I don't know that it fits your theory. Interesting bud sadly I'm not convinced.Hi SOL,
Is Christ in everyone?
So we do not need to be reborn?
That sounds like something the father of evil would love to propagate.
The kingdom of darkness would continue to rule the world.
But light overcomes darkness.
The light of Christ.Hi KJ,
This what you mean?
From Wikipedia
“Moral dualism is the belief of the coexistence (in eastern and naturalistic religions) or conflict (in western religions) between the “benevolent” and the “malignant”. Most religious systems have some form of moral dualism – in western religions, for instance, a conflict between good and evil.”I have no interest in philosophy and false religion but we are shown that good and evil existed already and darkness was over the face of the earth at the late time of Adam's creation.
So night time is evil to you Nick? You are forcing your beliefs into the passage rather than taking it at face value.
Up until that captivity, there really wasn't any idea of dualism in the Hebrew scriptures. Nor was there really the idea of an after-life. Both of these came from the influencing religions of their captors.
And where is the demon possession in the Hebrew scriptures? Not a single instance of this. Yet we find it all throughout Matthew-Luke (and Acts). For that matter, were are the demons in John's Gospel?
Hi KJ,
Maybe.
But evil in the form of the serpent Satan existed on earth at the time Adam was formed and he was as free to influence man as God was.
Why should John, the man of love, be bothered with the lowly practical earthy problem of man with demons.
Others showed that perfectly well, especially Mark.Nick,
Satan as the serpent is one of the biggest common Christian misconceptions. There are many Christian denominations who do not hold to this thought process and I'm sure you are aware that Jews do not either. There is nothing in the text that would lead to the serpent = satan.
Hi KJ,
Really?
Rev 12
7And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,8And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Also, add to this the Satan of Job. Is that being allowed to free roam the planet, doing as he pleases? No way. He had to get permission from God each time. How does this compare with the Satan most Christians believe in?
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 10 2008,15:21) Hi KJ,
Really?
Rev 12
7And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,8And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Does this passage say “Satan of the garden”? No, so you have no basis for typing the two together.Yeshua is called by some of the same titles that God is. Trinitarians latch on to that as proof that he is God. So you are practicing similar methods by saying “serpent of old” is the very serpent in the garden.
Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 11 2008,08:24) Also, add to this the Satan of Job. Is that being allowed to free roam the planet, doing as he pleases? No way. He had to get permission from God each time. How does this compare with the Satan most Christians believe in?
Hi KJ,
You say
“He had to get permission from God each time”
Is this written?
It is written that he is the god of this world.Is it written that I should not marry my sister? Is it written that I should not snort cocaine? Nick, if we rely on only what is written then we won't have answers for all of our life situations.
In any case, show me how the Satan of Job matches your view of Satan. Also, show me where God gave Satan permission to be the god of this world. It is quite obvious the Satan of Job was not allowed to touch Job without permission, so Satan must do all he does with the permission of God.
In fact Nick, please show me where any spiritual being in the OT was allowed to do as they pleased.
- 1Ki 22:20 “The LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab to go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?' And one said this while another said that.
1Ki 22:21 “Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.'
1Ki 22:22 “The LORD said to him, 'How?' And he said, 'I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' Then He said, 'You are to entice him and also prevail. Go and do so.'
1Ki 22:23 “Now therefore, behold, the LORD has put a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; and the LORD has proclaimed disaster against you.”Quote (Nick Hassan @ Jan. 11 2008,08:29) Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 11 2008,08:24) Also, add to this the Satan of Job. Is that being allowed to free roam the planet, doing as he pleases? No way. He had to get permission from God each time. How does this compare with the Satan most Christians believe in?
Hi KJ,
You say
“He had to get permission from God each time”
Is this written?
It is written that he is the god of this world.
Satan is the god of this world. Not the serpent. He is the collective satans. The principalities and powers. Who is the leader of these satans as Kejonn points out?Jehovah/Samael the elohim that from the beginning have been our adversaries and have burdoned us through ALL religions.
Hi KJ,
Have you not been reborn from above?
Have you not been blessed with God's gift of His Spirit yet?
That blessing would help you grasp the questions that plague you.Moses's Testimony The Lord said to Moses, “I will make you like God to Pharoah…” Was he not placed in the water and was he not drawn back out of the water, just as the Spirit of God came down from Heaven only to be lifted back up again? Did not the Lord say to Moses, “I appeared to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob by my name, yet, I did not make myself known to them?” God showed his true self when he appeared to Moses through the burning bush; Moses saw the true Spirit of God with his own eyes. God even said, “I reveal myself to a prophet of the Lord through visions and dreams, yet with Moses, I speak to him face to face, clearly and not in riddles.” Moses's life testified about Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ clearly saw the Father and carried out his will, just as Moses did in his lifetime. Moses was sent to free God's people; so also, Christ came to free the world. Moses did wonders, unleashing the Pharoah's grasp of his people; so also, Christ performed miracles to unleash the evil one's grasp of men's hearts. Here, we have a clear testimony about the coming of Christ through the life of Moses. Who else can argue that Moses did not testify about the coming Savior, Jesus Christ; even though he did not preach of him through his mouth, yet through the example of his life, Moses clearly testified about him.
Hi,
God gives authority then backs up that authority given even though it is imperfectly used. Moses did not always please God and satan is shown to have argued over his body in Jude. Even those sitting in his seat of authority, the Pharisees, had their authority backed by God through Christ.Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 11 2008,14:52) So night time is evil to you Nick? You are forcing your beliefs into the passage rather than taking it at face value. Up until that captivity, there really wasn't any idea of dualism in the Hebrew scriptures. Nor was there really the idea of an after-life. Both of these came from the influencing religions of their captors.
And where is the demon possession in the Hebrew scriptures? Not a single instance of this. Yet we find it all throughout Matthew-Luke (and Acts). For that matter, were are the demons in John's Gospel?
if you read they all recieved by oil demons or you could say crafty spirits ,to help them make all the vane images for the tabernacle of molec, or as it realy says (GODS ARK)? which was it?Quote (kejonn @ Jan. 11 2008,15:39) Is it written that I should not marry my sister? Is it written that I should not snort cocaine? Nick, if we rely on only what is written then we won't have answers for all of our life situations. In any case, show me how the Satan of Job matches your view of Satan. Also, show me where God gave Satan permission to be the god of this world. It is quite obvious the Satan of Job was not allowed to touch Job without permission, so Satan must do all he does with the permission of God.
very true for those who are sinless saten cant touch,the siners are his children and he does as he pleases with them and of course blames all the bad on the true GOD!!! so we should all repent and give away our birthrite, and become children of GOD ,then the evil one will have to ask our father before touching us,and me would guess FATHER will say NO!!! does not jesus say you are the children of who you follow
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