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Hi All,
We have touched on the flesh so, God has flesh and Adam saw it , Moses saw it and they neither knew what kind of flesh it was; but it had to be a heavenly flesh, that's where it came from. God made both kinds. one for earthly and one for heavenly . This is the flesh we are all talking about, heavenly, immortality, everlasting. I agree that their is a glorified body that cannot decay. but my flesh may burn up or become fish food in some big ocean or be blown up by some big explosion. But Our Lord has a gift of eternal life ON that day that he will call me out of this temple of the Holy Ghost.
For once you have come to this point of life; then ; will Jesus become your comforter forever.and He's not going to Sheol to find me either , I pray … IMO
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 11 2012,06:04) Hi KW,
If it does then it is no longer called flesh
Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom
Nick,You believe you understand what scripture means when it in part states “flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of heaven” but do you?
Psalms 16:9 -10 speak of flesh that hopes and will not see decay.
What part of Daniel rests in the dust of the earth in Daniel 12:13 since his soul resides in Sheol?
Daniel 12
King James Version (KJV)13But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.
Daniel 12
King James Version (KJV)2And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
Happyman,
When Satan and the Archangel Michael disputed over the body of Mosses the flesh was mortal. What would happen when that changed into the flesh that is from heaven?
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 11 2012,21:23) Happyman, When Satan and the Archangel Michael disputed over the body of Mosses the flesh was mortal. What would happen when that changed into the flesh that is from heaven?
did it changed ?Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2012,09:29) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 11 2012,21:23) Happyman, When Satan and the Archangel Michael disputed over the body of Mosses the flesh was mortal. What would happen when that changed into the flesh that is from heaven?
did it changed ?
Pierre,Jesus spoke with a living Moses on a mountain after that dispute.
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 11 2012,22:58) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2012,09:29) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 11 2012,21:23) Happyman, When Satan and the Archangel Michael disputed over the body of Mosses the flesh was mortal. What would happen when that changed into the flesh that is from heaven?
did it changed ?
Pierre,Jesus spoke with a living Moses on a mountain after that dispute.
KerwinHow did the apostles with Christ knew that it was Moses and Ilissah
?They never met them right
Hi KW,
Indeed the flesh of Yahshua did not decay and fulfilled that prophecy -spoken of by Peter in Acts 2.
But new bodies we are promised.Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2012,17:14) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 11 2012,22:58) Quote (terraricca @ Feb. 11 2012,09:29) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 11 2012,21:23) Happyman, When Satan and the Archangel Michael disputed over the body of Mosses the flesh was mortal. What would happen when that changed into the flesh that is from heaven?
did it changed ?
Pierre,Jesus spoke with a living Moses on a mountain after that dispute.
KerwinHow did the apostles with Christ knew that it was Moses and Ilissah
?They never met them right
Pierre,Scripture states it was Moses and Elijah but not how the disciples recognized them as such.
Note: Corrected my error by changing Isaiah to Elijah. Thank you Ed.
Nick,
I agree that Jesus' flesh rested in the dust of the earth while his soul resided in Sheol. I also agree that his flesh did not see decay unlike so many others. Since his flesh was sleeping in the earth the body Jesus bore in Sheol was spirit.
It is the flesh that awakens at the end of Days when it is reunited with the soul. At that time they both face judgement.
Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 12 2012,15:50) Pierre, Scripture states it was Moses and Isaiah but not how the disciples recognized them as such.
Hi Kerwin,You instead meant Moses and Elijah correct?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.orgQuote (Ed J @ Feb. 12 2012,15:15) Quote (kerwin @ Feb. 12 2012,15:50) Pierre, Scripture states it was Moses and Isaiah but not how the disciples recognized them as such.
Hi Kerwin,You instead meant Moses and Elijah correct?
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
Ed J.You are correct that I miss-wrote. It was indeed Elijah with Moses and not Isaiah. My apologies for my error.
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 12 2012,14:11) Hi KW,s
Where did you learn Jesus had a body in sheol?
Does anyone in Sheol have a body?
Nick,When they disciples saw Jesus walking on water they initially thought he was a dead spirit. This leads me to conclude that:
1] A dead soul does not have an organized physical part; as that is the flesh.
2] He does have something that makes him distinct from his surroundings since he has a shape.
Hi KW,
It makes me wonder if his pallor was relevant.
His blood had drained out on calvary.
Flesh and bonesHi:
I believe that Jude may be referring to those who were under the Law of Moses when he speaks of “the body of Moses”, and Enoch and Elijah were taken to heaven in their mortal body, but they have not yet received their spiritual body, and so, they have not inherited the kingdom of God as yet. Where they are awaiting the transformation is a good question. I don't know because the scripture does not tell us, but we do have the following scripture:
Quote Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence. Col 1:19 ¶ For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell;
Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, , whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.
Love in Christ,
MartyQuote (Nick Hassan @ Feb. 13 2012,05:30) Hi KW,
It makes me wonder if his pallor was relevant.
His blood had drained out on calvary.
Flesh and bones
Nick,It may well be as it seems by the account of Thomas touching him he still bore the wounds to his body from Calvary.
The only thing that I know that appears to speak against it is the scriptures that speak of the soul(life) being in the blood. Those scriptures were speaking of the body from the earth and may not be applicable to the body from heaven.
Quote (942767 @ Feb. 13 2012,08:14) Hi: I believe that Jude may be referring to those who were under the Law of Moses when he speaks of “the body of Moses”, and Enoch and Elijah were taken to heaven in their mortal body, but they have not yet received their spiritual body, and so, they have not inherited the kingdom of God as yet. Where they are awaiting the transformation is a good question. I don't know because the scripture does not tell us, but we do have the following scripture:
Quote Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence. Col 1:19 ¶ For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell;
Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, , whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Marty,The dispute was a teaching among the Jews as it is mentioned in the Jewish apocryphal pseudepigraphical work called The Assumption of Moses (otherwise called the Testament of Moses) according to Wikipedia.
The scripture supporting it is that location of the grave of Moses was not known to to Joshua and the people of his time except for the general location.
Hi All
I was pondering on what Micheal said to the devil ” The Lord rebuke thee” It was the spoken word that won the victory for Moses's body. .Quote (942767 @ Feb. 13 2012,13:14) Hi: I believe that Jude may be referring to those who were under the Law of Moses when he speaks of “the body of Moses”, and Enoch and Elijah were taken to heaven in their mortal body, but they have not yet received their spiritual body, and so, they have not inherited the kingdom of God as yet. Where they are awaiting the transformation is a good question. I don't know because the scripture does not tell us, but we do have the following scripture:
Quote Col 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all [things] he might have the preeminence. Col 1:19 ¶ For it pleased [the Father] that in him should all fulness dwell;
Col 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, , whether [they be] things in earth, or things in heaven.
Love in Christ,
Marty
Hi:I want to make a correction to what I stated about Enoch and Elijah being taken to heaven in their mortal body. I made this statement based on what I saw in the scriptures relative to Elijah being taken to heaven in a whirlwind.
But Hebrews 11 states that Enoch was translated so that he would not see death, and so, I am questioning my statement about them being taken to heaven in their mortal body.
In the transfiguration where Moses and Elijah are seen talking with Jesus, all three had been transfigured.
Jesus was the firstborn from the dead. Enoch and Elijah did not see a physical death. There are also those who will be alive in Christ when Jesus comes for the church who will not die a physical death but will be translated.
And Kerwin, about “the body of Moses”, I will study this according to what you have given us.
Love in Christ,
Marty
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