Moses attains atonement without blood

[SimplyForgiven]

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SF, One day I hope you really understand but today is not that day and that's okay I didn't learn instantly and so it's pkay if you don't either. The very first problem you have is continuing to Believe that Jesus is God which would be making “God” asking God to save God Jesus asked to be saved from the cross. sin and righteousness are not opposed to each other and that's why you are so confused. Righteousness is the willingness to do what is right and sin is simply when someone misses that goal. Noah was called Righteous if you don't believe me argue with God about it and there are and have always been many, many righteous people I only used Abel as an example so you could focus. Abel was not making a sin offereing or an offering of atonement if that were true it would say so. God said that SACRIFICE was never commanded For I spake not unto your fathers, nor commanded them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices: Jeremiah 7:21-23 Now why would I call myself a sinner when I submit to God willingly? Nevertheless if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live, because he is warned; also thou hast delivered thy soul. Ezekiel 3:20-22 Why is it you wish to remain a slave to sin. You said Christ has set you free and yet you still call yourself a sinner? How terrible! If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. John 8:35-37 Jesus said this before the “Crucifixion” so why are you still a slave to sin? Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 1 John 3:5-7 Right now I keep trying to give you meat but you are only ready for milk and it's okay. God does not need Sacrifice nor Blood. God wants you to be grateful and yet you still complain about everything. You even say that you are a sinner after you believe that someone died for your sins so you leave Christ open to shame. You should repent if you are a sinner and then as Jesus said: Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee. John 5:13-15 She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more. John 8:10-12 So why do you still sin SF? Be perfect and give up the deception that Satan has put upon you.

Bod,

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One day I hope you really understand but today is not that day and that's okay I didn't learn instantly and so it's pkay if you don't either.

Read your post again? its like you have pride filled all within you.
You speak as a righteous man, speaking to an ignornat child.
this is not the case bod, not the case at all.

You speak like a snake, breathing in and out with peace and pleasure within your words.
A righteous man would fess up and not ignore everything that was presented against your belief of self-righteousness.
You ignored everything, Yet you accused of Ed-J of being a coward long ago right?

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The very first problem you have is continuing to Believe that Jesus is God which would be making “God” asking God to save God Jesus asked to be saved from the cross.

You know if this was a letter by it self, and we couldnt see the rest of the forum, people would actually think we were talking abotu this. This is not the case at all, this adds to your deceitful nature.

Notice how you totally changed the subject and didnt respond to anything i wrote earlier.
Whether i believe Jesus is God or not, it does not however change the fact that you must know Jesus to have eternal life.
Ill leave it up to God to tell you the truth.
Actualy Jesus didnt ask to be saved from the Cross.

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sin and righteousness are not opposed to each other and that's why you are so confused. Righteousness is the willingness to do what is right and sin is simply when someone misses that goal. Noah was called Righteous if you don't believe me argue with God about it and there are and have always been many, many righteous people I only used Abel as an example so you could focus. Abel was not making a sin offereing or an offering of atonement if that were true it would say so. God said that SACRIFICE was never commanded

Actually thats not what it is. Doing what we think is Right is not RIGHTEOUS, thats called good intentions and good intentions are evil, because we depend on our own understanding and what we think Good is.
Righteousness is doing the will of God, and seeking Him.
Sin is everything that God hates and despises, its the compelete lack of seeking him, or even the desire to do everything that he hates.
Lol your lying, im the one who brought up Abel,
Your the one who SAID “CAIN” was not a sinner……. i beg to differ.

What was Abel doing Bod?
What did he Do? He KILLED a Calf, the best one why?
why did he do that Bod? why wasnt Cains sacrafice good enough? answer these questions bod

Jeremiah 7,

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God said that SACRIFICE was never commanded

This is again a lie.
You didnt read the context again bod,
here is the correction and interpretation
23But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.
24But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.
Intresting wasnt like Moses and Joshua and several others part of that group?
did these people need atonement? of courseeeeee
Yet this is in reference to the Fathers of the nation, what was this chapter really about?
It was about the current situation with Israel and how they were sinning against God, and God said your just like your father “whom” didnt even have the commandment of burnt offerings or scrafices.
And than later in ch9. he clarfiys again his points
13And the LORD saith, Because they have forsaken my law which I set before them, and have not obeyed my voice, neither walked therein;
14But have walked after the imagination of their own heart, and after Baalim, which their fathers taught them:

Again, the scripture you presented does not suggest He never commanded such a thing, it was suggested that at the moment he didnt.

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Now why would I call myself a sinner when I submit to God willingly?

Because no one is righteous and becasue of that, we all have fallen short, and to “submit” to God, we must first regonize we “need” him because we cannot acheive to please Him without Him.
We must ADMIT that we Need Him, and To Admit that we need him, which results into submitting to him.
If we cannot admit that we are sinners than we cannot submit.

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Why is it you wish to remain a slave to sin. You said Christ has set you free and yet you still call yourself a sinner? How terrible!

This adds to your deceiftul tactics.
I did not say nor hint nor elude that i want to be a slave of Sin, thats why we have Christ to free us from such a bondage!

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Right now I keep trying to give you meat but you are only ready for milk and it's okay.

No, your feeding me lies, and trickery.
The Word Exposes you, not I.

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God does not need Sacrifice nor Blood. God wants you to be grateful and yet you still complain about everything. You even say that you are a sinner after you believe that someone died for your sins so you leave Christ open to shame

Yes actually he does, because without that, the only thing left for you is his Holy Wrath.
No one is truely grateful, and to complain is not putting your trust in God.
ACtually i didnt say that, but the same way that you twist scripture is the same way your twisting my words to create a false image of me.

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You should repent if you are a sinner and then as Jesus said:

Put your pride aside brother,
You are taking great lengths to make yourself appear righteous.
Your very words and even your message shows that.
You come as a sheep but really your a wolf,
and you say things based on good intentions but they are not God's intentions.

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So why do you still sin SF?

I love it bod, i really love it,
I appluad your tactics, and how you twisted everything to cliam that i called my self a sinner.
Bod, you realize that what your doing Is wrong, very, very,very wrong,

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Be perfect and give up the deception that Satan has put upon you.

Perfection only comes by Knowing Jesus, and you clearly do not know Him, and your a child of disobedience,
a child of the Father of lies,
You come as an angel of light, but thats what the Satan does best.

Deny yourself Bod,
Deny yourself,
Deny yourself,

[bodhitharta]

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Read your post again? its like you have pride filled all within you. You speak as a righteous man, speaking to an ignornat child. this is not the case bod, not the case at all.

You call confidence in God, pride?

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You speak like a snake, breathing in and out with peace and pleasure within your words. A righteous man would fess up and not ignore everything that was presented against your belief of self-righteousness.

And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
Genesis 15:5-7

2 Samuel 22:20-22 (King James Version)
20He brought me forth also into a large place: he delivered me, because he delighted in me.
21The LORD rewarded me according to my righteousness: according to the cleanness of my hands hath he recompensed me.
22For I have kept the ways of the LORD, and have not wickedly departed from my God.

Offer the sacrifices of righteousness, and put your trust in the LORD.
Psalm 4:4-6

Why would you preach unrighteousness?

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Notice how you totally changed the subject and didnt respond to anything i wrote earlier. Whether i believe Jesus is God or not, it does not however change the fact that you must know Jesus to have eternal life.

Actually your perception of who Jesus is does matter because it is God who actually gives Eternal Life that's why believing in those he sends is paramount to believing in HIM and understanding many things now you reject Muhammad out of what information?

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Ill leave it up to God to tell you the truth. Actualy Jesus didnt ask to be saved from the Cross.

And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.
Matthew 26:38-40

He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.
Matthew 26:41-43

Saying, Father, if thou be willing, remove this cup from me: nevertheless not my will, but thine, be done.
Luke 22:41-43

Yes, he definitely asked to be saved from the cross if it was possible to do and I am telling you he was saved from the cross

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Doing what we think is Right is not RIGHTEOUS, thats called good intentions and good intentions are evil, because we depend on our own understanding and what we think Good is. Righteousness is doing the will of God, and seeking Him.

I do believe this is what I have been saying over and over but you kept saying that no one does the will of God or seeks after HIM

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Sin is everything that God hates and despises, its the compelete lack of seeking him, or even the desire to do everything that he hates.

You have a very under developed sense of these terms and this why those who were pharisees and saducees believed the way they did.

Psalm 51:10-17 (King James Version)
10Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
11Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.
12Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
13Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.
14Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation: and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness.
15O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise.
16For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Sin is not the complete lack of seeking God if it were no sinner could be converted

The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.
Matthew 11:18-20

Luke 15:7 (King James Version)
7I say unto you, that likewise joy shall be in heaven over one sinner that repenteth, more than over ninety and nine just persons, which need no repentance.

Sin is about repentence as repentance teaches us to stay directed towards God

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Lol your lying, im the one who brought up Abel, Your the one who SAID “CAIN” was not a sinner……. i beg to differ.

Neither Cain nor Abel were born sinners and Cain was not a sinner until he gave into sin. God did not address cain as a sinner did HE? He told cain to RULE over his desire to sin and cain failed but as I have written already God testified to the righteousness of Abel and yet you call them both sinners?

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What was Abel doing Bod? What did he Do? He KILLED a Calf, the best one why? why did he do that Bod? why wasnt Cains sacrafice good enough? answer these questions bod

Abel nor Cain were making a sin offering as you imagine so no need to add to the text

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Jeremiah 7, Quote God said that SACRIFICE was never commanded This is again a lie. You didnt read the context again bod, here is the correction and interpretation 23But this thing commanded I them, saying, Obey my voice, and I will be your God, and ye shall be my people: and walk ye in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well unto you.

“Obey my voice and I will be your God”

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24But they hearkened not, nor inclined their ear, but walked in the counsels and in the imagination of their evil heart, and went backward, and not forward.

So they went backward buy offering Sacrifices and offerings instead of Obeying the voice of God

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Intresting wasnt like Moses and Joshua and several others part of that group? did these people need atonement? of courseeeeee Yet this is in reference to the Fathers of the nation, what was this chapter really about? It was about the current situation with Israel and how they were sinning against God,

They were sinning by not being obedient it is true repentance that causes atonement not the blood of anything if that were true grains would not have also been accepted for atonement and they were from those who did not have an animal, did you know that?

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and God said your just like your father “whom” didnt even have the commandment of burnt offerings or scrafices. And than later in ch9. he clarfiys again his points 13And the LORD saith, Because they have forsaken my law which I set before them, and have not obeyed my voice, neither walked therein; 14But have walked after the imagination of their own heart, and after Baalim, which their fathers taught them:

They didn't Obey HIS voice

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Again, the scripture you presented does not suggest He never commanded such a thing, it was suggested that at the moment he didnt.

Lol….come on be serious God said he didn't command them to Sacrifice but you feel you MUST believe that otherwise your enture religious view makes no sense to you but if you can hold on past that you can really grow what does this scripture mean?

Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
Psalm 40:5-7

NOT REQUIRED

Hosea 6:6 (King James Version)
6For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings

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Because no one is righteous and becasue of that, we all have fallen short, and to “submit” to God, we must first regonize we “need” him because we cannot acheive to please Him without Him. We must ADMIT that we Need Him, and To Admit that we need him, which results into submitting to him. If we cannot admit that we are sinners than we cannot submit.

Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
James 4:6-8

whatever condition one finds themselves they are to submit to God, if we find ourselves drowning in sin or upright.

Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.
Ecclesiastes 7:28-29

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This adds to your deceiftul tactics. I did not say nor hint nor elude that i want to be a slave of Sin, thats why we have Christ to free us from such a bondage!

Why have you concluded that ALL are in such bondage?

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No, your feeding me lies, and trickery. The Word Exposes you, not I.

Tricking you to do what?

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Yes actually he does, because without that, the only thing left for you is his Holy Wrath.

Or HIS Merciful Grace

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No one is truely grateful, and to complain is not putting your trust in God.

Jesus complained and he trusted God in more ways than you or I will most likely ever have to.

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ACtually i didnt say that, but the same way that you twist scripture is the same way your twisting my words to create a false image of me.

Why would I want to create a false image of you?

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Put your pride aside brother, You are taking great lengths to make yourself appear righteous.

Actually I'm going through great lengths to teach you about the righteousness, Mercy and Compassionate Grace of God

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Your very words and even your message shows that. You come as a sheep but really your a wolf, and you say things based on good intentions but they are not God's intentions.

Psalm 18:24-26 (King James Version)
24Therefore hath the LORD recompensed me according to my righteousness, according to the cleanness of my hands in his eyesight.
25With the merciful thou wilt shew thyself merciful; with an upright man thou wilt shew thyself upright;
26With the pure thou wilt shew thyself pure; and with the froward thou wilt shew thyself froward.

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I love it bod, i really love it, I appluad your tactics, and how you twisted everything to cliam that i called my self a sinner. Bod, you realize that what your doing Is wrong, very, very,very wrong,

What exactly do you think I am trying to convince you of? You seem unhappy and you shouldn't be.

Because thou servedst not the LORD thy God with joyfulness, and with gladness of heart, for the abundance of all things;
Deuteronomy 28:46-48

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Perfection only comes by Knowing Jesus, and you clearly do not know Him, and your a child of disobedience, a child of the Father of lies, You come as an angel of light, but thats what the Satan does best.

Ask yourself, why are you so sad and letting sin continue to suffer you if you are Simply Forgiven, what next but to stand upright and live life more abundantly

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Deny yourself Bod, Deny yourself, Deny yourself,

Why would I deny myself if I deny myself I would be denying God since my being is in HIM and HIS Christ. You seem to be stuck at the point of conversion go through the door.

You see you need to deny yourself to change direction when the direction has been changed and you abide in Faith you cannot deny yourself as you would be acting in the will of God. As I said don't rush it you will understand soon enough

The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
John 10:9-11

Hebrews 6:16-19 (King James Version)
16For men verily swear by the greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.
17Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath:
18That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
19Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;

God Bless you!

[SimplyForgiven]

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You call confidence in God, pride?

No haviing confidence in yourself is called pride.

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Why would you preach unrighteousness?

Bod really?
I have proved to you again and again, and this is not even what i said, and your stating this? really?
I already corrected you about David.

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Actually your perception of who Jesus is does matter because it is God who actually gives Eternal Life that's why believing in those he sends is paramount to believing in HIM and understanding many things now you reject Muhammad out of what information?

Jesus is the only way, the Truth, and the Light, and no one, who wishes to go to the Father can get to him, if its not by the Son of God.
In order to Know God, (not believing) We must KNOW Christ.
Its very simple,
Muhammed should be rejected because what he believes and what he did is not from God.

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Yes, he definitely asked to be saved from the cross if it was possible to do and I am telling you he was saved from the cross

Do you know what that Cup is Bod?
Isaiah 51:17Awake, awake, stand up, O Jerusalem, which hast drunk at the hand of the LORD the cup of his fury; thou hast drunken the dregs of the cup of trembling, and wrung them out.
The cross is not what bothered Jesus, it was the Wrath of God that bothered him.
And no, he did drink of that Cup.
Jeremiah 25:27Therefore thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Drink ye, and be drunken, and spue, and fall, and rise no more, because of the sword which I will send among you.
28And it shall be, if they refuse to take the cup at thine hand to drink, then shalt thou say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts; Ye shall certainly drink.
29For, lo, I begin to bring evil on the city which is called by my name, and should ye be utterly unpunished? Ye shall not be unpunished: for I will call for a sword upon all the inhabitants of the earth, saith the LORD of hosts.
This Cup was meant for everyone to drink from,
Isaiah continues also expreses this idea,
Isaiah 53:6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
IT says All have turned to their own way, and that a certain person (Jesus) had all our iniquity of us all laid on him.
This Person did Drink of that Cup of Wrath,
and as the text you presented says it all, the Cup CANNOT pass unless, HE drinks it.
This is the same cup that is mentined to have his blood, for his life was the randsom of many.
Matthew 20:28Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.

He was not saved from the Cross, there is no reason to believe muhammed after hundreds of years later, after the encounter Jesus had with the Diciples and with Paul who say otherwise.  
Your expecting to believe someone who wasnt there over the people who were there.

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I do believe this is what I have been saying over and over but you kept saying that no one does the will of God or seeks after HIM

No you dont believe that, becuase you continue to state that there are people who are not sinners, the fact is that everyone has sinnned at one point and time, and are not perfect, and neither do they have any desire to do anything but Sin, UNLESS THEY KNOW GOD.  An Encounter with God changes all of that, but doesnt diminishes it becuase even the ones that Knew God rejected him, its about those who Love him back, after him loving first.

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You have a very under developed sense of these terms and this why those who were pharisees and saducees believed the way they did. Sin is not the complete lack of seeking God if it were no sinner could be converted

Let me put it in other words than, its a rebellion against God, seeking your own way rather than Gods, thats what sin is, obeying yourself more than God, or depending on yourself or anything other Than God.

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Sin is about repentence as repentance teaches us to stay directed towards God

Bod what are you talking about?
Are you saying that Sin is nessary so what God can direct us? or its a condition that God wants us to walk away from?

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Neither Cain nor Abel were born sinners and Cain was not a sinner until he gave into sin. God did not address cain as a sinner did HE? He told cain to RULE over his desire to sin and cain failed but as I have written already God testified to the righteousness of Abel and yet you call them both sinners?

Yes I call them both sinners because without God thats what they would be, they lived under the condition of the Sins of Adam, and the curse that was brought upon them.  
They gave scrafices to please God, and only one of them was held righteous, because Abel gave the best of what he had, which was not something nessary in the Garden of Eden.
Cain who had no desire for a relationship did not decide to give the best he had for the love he had for God, because he sought not God, instead the guy got jealous and he killed his brother.
The Rest of the bible holds him as a murderer, and God even killed them off in the end.
The only reason Noah was different from everyone else, is because he was a descendant of Seth.
Again, they made mistakes, they had flaws, if they were perfect than there is no way that man can kill man, but Abel did live under the judgement of Sin, but he had a relationship, a desire for God, though he was flawed, God was with him.
Though we are flawed, Jesus was sent to us, to redeem us.

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Abel nor Cain were making a sin offering as you imagine so no need to add to the text

Im asking you Bod, what were they doing

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So they went backward buy offering Sacrifices and offerings instead of Obeying the voice of God

No, thats not what the text says Bod,
He said he di
d not command this group to need scrafices to please him, but all they had to do his obey,

But they didnt obey, the didnt listen, they sought after their own evil intentions.
AGain, your twisting scripture.

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Lol….come on be serious God said he didn't command them to Sacrifice but you feel you MUST believe that otherwise your enture religious view makes no sense to you but if you can hold on past that you can really grow what does this scripture mean?

ACtually you dont even know what i means, you just ignorantly said that these people went backwards by offering scrafcies, which is not what is said, This second scripture proves the comparison between the two, that God intended to compare the present Jews of the Text, to their fathers from Egypt WHO didnt even have the commandment of sacrficing for sins, yet they like the current jews didnt listen, and sought their own imaginations.

The only point why i even went so far to mention this is to prove to you that it doesnt state that he never commanded scrafices.
You didnt interpret scripture correctly Again…

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Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required. Psalm 40:5-7 NOT REQUIRED

This again proves my point about the Fathers of Egypt, What did God want them to do? to obey, they failed on doing so, so what happened?  a sacrfice was needed.
here is the rest of Psalms that you didnt qoute to prove my point.

12For innumerable evils have compassed me about: mine iniquities have taken hold upon me, so that I am not able to look up; they are more than the hairs of mine head: therefore my heart faileth me.
13Be pleased, O LORD, to deliver me: O LORD, make haste to help me.
17But I am poor and needy; yet the Lord thinketh upon me: thou art my help and my deliverer; make no tarrying, O my God.
And this man was surely delivered by Jesus Christ.

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Hosea 6:6 (King James Version) 6For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings

Your forgot this,
7But they like men have transgressed the covenant: there have they dealt treacherously against me.

I get your point Bod,
Let me help you out, here is what Jesus Said,
Mark 12:28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
29And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
32And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
33And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
34And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.
The problem is that Man cannot do this without Jesus.

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whatever condition one finds themselves they are to submit to God, if we find ourselves drowning in sin or upright.

Romans 8
1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
12Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.
13For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
14For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
15For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father
We Need Christ to be out of this Sinful Flesh
Romans 9:15For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
God will show mercy to who he chooses, read the rest of the chapter as he speaks of Pharaoh.
Romans 10:3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
5For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them.
6But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:)
7Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.)
8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

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Why have you concluded that ALL are in such bondage?

Read above^^^^

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Tricking you to do what?

To believe a Lie, when you know better

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Or HIS Merciful Grace

Which is found in Jesus Christ

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Why would I want to create a false image of you?

BY the things you wrote, you imposed a image of me.

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Actually I'm going through great lengths to teach you about the righteousness, Mercy and Compassionate Grace of God

No, of Man and yourself
about Psalms, again from David,
You know what he did right?

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What exactly do you think I am trying to convince you of? You seem unhappy and you shouldn't be.

Im not unhappy, i Hate what your doing, and I Hate the fact that your confused, and that your willing to speak lies when your smarter than that, or maybe your just ignorant, but im convinced that your doing this purpously, and i Hate this because I love you.

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Ask yourself, why are you so sad and letting sin continue to suffer you if you are Simply Forgiven, what next but to stand upright and live life more abundantly

Only By knowing Christ, who says im sad?

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Why would I deny myself if I deny myself I would be denying God since my being is in HIM and HIS Christ. You seem to be stuck at the point of conversion go through the door. You see you need to deny yourself to change direction when the direction has been changed and you abide in Faith you cannot deny yourself as you would be acting in the will of God. As I said don't rush it you will understand soon enough

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
This is the first step for you Bod,
You just havent realized what all this means, or you just deny it.

Have Faith and deny yourself,

[bodhitharta]

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No haviing confidence in yourself is called pride.

Psalm 27:3-4 (King James Version)
3Though an host should encamp against me, my heart shall not fear: though war should rise against me, in this will I be confident.
4One thing have I desired of the LORD, that will I seek after; that I may dwell in the house of the LORD all the days of my life, to behold the beauty of the LORD, and to enquire in his temple.

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I have proved to you again and again, and this is not even what i said, and your stating this? really? I already corrected you about David.

I am aware of what David did and you did not correct me on him either but although you want Christ to be “better” than David just remember what Christ is receiving from God

And as concerning that he raised him up from the dead, now no more to return to corruption, he said on this wise, I will give you the sure mercies of David.
Acts 13:33-35

and what will Jesus inherit

He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
Luke 1:31-33

You don't get it do you? You somehow believe that David commiting a sin or sins made him less loved or saved but that is a lie God loved David immensely.

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Jesus is the only way, the Truth, and the Light, and no one, who wishes to go to the Father can get to him, if its not by the Son of God.

Jesus was not saying that in general he was saying it to whom he was speaking to at the time just like those who didn't obey Moses had no access to God. So when Moses was speaking he was the way. the truth and the light whoever is the messenger is the way, the truth and the light.

Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
John 5:44-46

On the day of judgement all the prophets and messengers will testify to what they taught

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In order to Know God, (not believing) We must KNOW Christ. Its very simple,

John 14:12 (King James Version)
12Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Now the reason I wrote this verse is to show you the results of your reasoning. You believe in Jesus so have you done any of the works he did have you healed the sick or caused a miracle to happen?

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Muhammed should be rejected because what he believes and what he did is not from God.

You see my point why do you bear false witness it is a great sin. You don't even know what Muhammad believes and you have no way of knowing what is from God.

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Do you know what that Cup is Bod? Isaiah 51:17Awake, awake, stand up, O Jerusalem, which hast drunk at the hand of the LORD the cup of his fury; thou hast drunken the dregs of the cup of trembling, and wrung them out. The cross is not what bothered Jesus, it was the Wrath of God that bothered him.

Makes no sense

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And no, he did drink of that Cup. Jeremiah 25:27Therefore thou shalt say unto them, Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Drink ye, and be drunken, and spue, and fall, and rise no more,

Are you aware it says rise no more if Jesus drank that cup you don't believe he was raised from the dead, you still want to believe this verse pertains to Jesus?

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He was not saved from the Cross, there is no reason to believe muhammed after hundreds of years later,

Believe God, Muhammad didn't make it up but you reject Muhammad just like the Jews that rejected Jesus. I reject neither.

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after the encounter Jesus had with the Diciples and with Paul who say otherwise. Your expecting to believe someone who wasnt there over the people who were there.

Then why believe anything Paul said? Paul said Jesus met him on the road to damascus after Jesus was already ascended Jesus warned his disciples:

Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
Matthew 24:22-24

But you did believe and hence today you are confused

Paul never knew Jesus and preaches a “spirit” Jesus

Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1 John 4:1-3

Paul preaches a Jesus that came in the spirit to him Jesus said:

Mark 13:21-22 (King James Version)
21And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
22For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

Now pay attention:

Acts 28:3-6 (King James Version)
3And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand.
4And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live.
5And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm.
6Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god.

That last sentence does not contonue to say Paul corrected that notion

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No you dont believe that, becuase you continue to state that there are people who are not sinners, the fact is that everyone has sinnned at one point and time, a nd are not perfect, and neither do they have any desire to do anything but Sin, UNLESS THEY KNOW GOD.

Of course there are people who are not sinners and it doesn't matter if they had sinned before. You have a very small understanding on this subject.

Ezekiel 33:11-15 (King James Version)
11Say unto them, As I live, saith the Lord GOD, I have no pleasure in the death of the wicked; but that the wicked turn from his way and live: turn ye, turn ye from your evil ways; for why will ye die, O house of Israel?
12Therefore, thou son of man, say unto the children of thy people, The righteousness of the righteous shall not deliver him in the day of his transgression: as for the wickedness of the wicked, he shall not fall thereby in the day that he turneth from his wickedness; neither shall the righteous be able to live for his righteousness in the day that he sinneth.
13When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.
14Again, when I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; if he turn from his sin, and do that which is lawful and right;
15If the wicked restore the pledge, give again that he had robbed, walk in the statutes of life, without committing iniquity; he shall surely live, he shall not die.

Do you understand this at all?

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An Encounter with God changes all of that, but doesnt diminishes it becuase even the ones that Knew God rejected him, its about those who Love him back, after him loving first.

You really keep approaching this from a perspective that someone doesn't love God or had an encounter with God and that's an incorrect perspective and assumes way too much

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Let me put it in other words than, its a rebellion against God, seeking your own way rather than Gods, thats what sin is, obeying yourself more than God, or depending on yourself or anything other Than God.

So according to you, you are a rebellious sinner?

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Bod what are you talking about? Are you saying that Sin is nessary so what God can direct us? or its a condition that God wants us to walk away from?

If God had wished that no sin was ever committed do you think it would not be in HIS power to have prevented it? Remember we are talking about ALMIGHTY GOD

On no soul doth Allah Place a burden greater than it can bear. It gets every good that it earns, and it suffers every ill that it earns. (Pray:) “Our Lord! Condemn us not if we forget or fall into error; our Lord! Lay not on us a burden Like that which Thou didst lay on those before us; Our Lord! Lay not on us a burden greater than we have strength to bear. Blot out our sins, and grant us forgiveness. Have mercy on us. Thou art our Protector; Help us against those who stand against faith.”
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #286)

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Yes I call them both sinners because without God thats what they would be, they lived under the condition of the Sins of Adam, and the curse that was brought upon them. They gave scrafices to please God, and only one of them was held righteous,

You said they were both sinners and now you call Abel righteous? maybe you are starting to get it

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The only reason Noah was different from everyone else, is because he was a descendant of Seth.

Makes no sense, they all came from Adam and your belief is ORIGINAL SIN so either was no different than Adam or you believe like I believe that Noah was righteous

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Again, they made mistakes, they had flaws, if they were perfect than there is no way that man can kill man,

Then that means Adam was never perfect even before he ate from the tree because according to you there would be no way for him to have that same rebellious that Cain had

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but Abel did live under the judgement of Sin, but he had a relationship, a desire for God, though he was flawed, God was with him. Though we are flawed, Jesus was sent to us, to redeem us.

Yes. God has been sending and sending many prophets and teachers to assist people on this journey

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Im asking you Bod, what were they doing

Being taught

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No, thats not what the text says Bod, He said he did not command this group to need scrafices to please him, but all they had to do his obey,

That's what I said. No Sacrifice needed

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This again proves my point about the Fathers of Egypt, What did God want them to do? to obey, they failed on doing so, so what happened? a sacrfice was needed. here is the rest of Psalms that you didnt qoute to prove my point.

Makes no sense according to the way you believe these people were already condemned for ORIGINAL SIN therefore sacrifices would have been needed all the time even if they had obeyed according to the way you believe. According to the way I believe and understand is that God does not need sacrifices nor is it ever the Sacrifice that would reach God anyway it is only the the righteousness of the act that reaches God

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I get your point Bod, Let me help you out, here is what Jesus Said, 33And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.

Yes, you're starting to get it

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The problem is that Man cannot do thi s without Jesus

Wrong it was already being done before Jesus but yes Jesus certainly is The Way, The Truth and The Life and remember that not only he is because you should also be. Jesus said:

Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
John 8:11-13

But then he says

As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
John 9:4-6

but then he also said and this is what you need to pay attention to

Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Matthew 5:13-15

Did you see that progression?

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Im not unhappy, i Hate what your doing, and I Hate the fact that your confused, and that your willing to speak lies when your smarter than that, or maybe your just ignorant, but im convinced that your doing this purpously, and i Hate this because I love you.

Yep, Unhappy. The only way you could feel that way is because you yourself are the self-righteous one. I say let God be the Judge

The Jews said that the Christians follow nothing (i.e. are not on the right religion); and the Christians said that the Jews follow nothing (i.e. are not on the right religion); though they both recite the Scripture. Like unto their word, said (the pagans) who know not. Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection about that wherein they have been differing.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #113)

Mankind were one community and Allah sent Prophets with glad tidings and warnings, and with them He sent down the Scripture in truth to judge between people in matters wherein they differed. And only those to whom (the Scripture) was given differed concerning it after clear proofs had come unto them through hatred, one to another. Then Allah by His Leave guided those who believed to the truth of that wherein they differed. And Allah guides whom He wills to the Straight Path.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #213)

God Bless You!

[shimmer]

Hi SF, is bod behaving down here ? I hope so,

[Ed J]

Hi SF,

Here is PROOF of BD's deceitfulness…

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Quote after the encounter Jesus had with the Diciples and with Paul who say otherwise.   Your expecting to believe someone who wasnt there over the people who were there. Then why believe anything Paul said? Paul said Jesus met him on the road to damascus after Jesus was already ascended Jesus warned his disciples: Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. Matthew 24:22-24 But you did believe and hence today you are confused Paul never knew Jesus and preaches a “spirit” Jesus Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1 John 4:1-3 Paul preaches a Jesus that came in the spirit to  him Jesus said: Mark 13:21-22 (King James Version) 21And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: 22For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. Now pay attention: Acts 28:3-6 (King James Version) 3And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand. 4And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live. 5And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm. 6Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god. That last sentence does not contonue to say Paul corrected that notion God Bless You!

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Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 26 2010,19:02) Hi SF, That's because BD does not believe the writings of The Apostle Paul are canon; nor does BD believe in the New Testament altogether! (Matt.26:28 / Mark 14:24 / Luke 22:20 / 1Cor.11:25) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Of course they are canon ED but that has nothing to do with what we are discussing here.

Can you see the deceit in BD's words; SF?

Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH!
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

[bodhitharta]

I asked why would he believe Paul since Paul like Muhammad never met Jesus, why do you call that deceit when Jesus plainly said:

Mark 13:21-22 (King James Version)
21And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not:
22For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

Now Muhammad never claimed that he spoke to Christ in spirit so this applies to Paul, can you explain the passage a different way?

[Ed J]

Hi Everyone,

The atonement of Christ…

Enjoy!

[JustAskin]

SimplyForgiven,
For what you have written to Bod, JustAskin will commend you to God through Christ.
You have spoken with Holy Spirited revelation.
In this, I uphold you.

Congratulations through the Spirit of God. Would that all your posts were as such.

Hey, has anyone shown Mike what it says in Luke 1:31-33, 'He WILL be called the SON OF THE MOST HIGH?

[SimplyForgiven]

Bod,
Been busy, and I must take breaks every hundred posts in this site so that i dont go mad.
I have taken my three days off i think from long posts.

So where were we?

You can claim confidence, but that not truely where your heart lies because if so, than you would understand.

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I am aware of what David did and you did not correct me on him either but although you want Christ to be “better” than David just remember what Christ is receiving from God

Christ is Perfect, the Second Adam, the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords, he is THE Son of God, and He has a name above every name.  Blameless, Sinless, Clean, and was willing to be randsom so that many maybe saved.
This isnt just someone better, but someone that even David himself calls “his Lord”
Psalms 110:1 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.
I did correct you, You want to make him seem blameless in righteousness, when the truth is there is nothing righteous outside the will of God. So the fact that your imperfect and flawed makes us unclean, and that no matter how much we try within our own Strength we can never work towards perfection and please God.   Our BEST works are filthy rags for God, so only through him can we please him.  And the only way TOO him, is THROUGH Jesus.  Yes God has his mercy for whom he wills.
Romans 9: 18Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
19Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
20Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Therefore, David is one of us, we are nothign more, or less. We are all on the same boat, because God is not the God focused on a group or nation, but his focus is in the soul of the individual “Adam” Man.

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You don't get it do you? You somehow believe that David commiting a sin or sins made him less loved or saved but that is a lie God loved David immensely.

Actually he will Inherit alot more than that Collossians 1:19 expresses that it pleased the Father that ALL fullness dwells in Him.  He is the Son of God, he will have  Kingdom of Heaven, he Is the one who all life sustains it self by, and HE is the one, the only way, the only Truth, and the only Light for man to reach God.

The fact is that You dont Get it Bod, GOD LOVES US IMMENSELY TO SEND HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON SO WHOMEVER BELIEVES IN HIM DOES NOT PERISH BUT HAS EVERLASTING LIFE!

Does this not click in your head? this is HOW MUCH God loves you.

This where your LIES Start, If a Moderator is reading this, let them record, and NOTE: that The following accusation that I said “David committing Sins, made him less loved” is a lie,  I never said, nor eluded, nor said anything even close to that.  
I Know that God loved David IMMENSELY and swore Oaths to him, and No matter what David did, he REPENTED rather quickly.
The point is that he Has sinned, and though he is righteous, he still sins.  

Bod, notice this is a time without the Gospel of Jesus, If David who is ONE Man, ONLY ONE, out of how many in that time?  Him and the Prophet, think about two people out of HOW MANY?  Do you think God was satisfied that only TWO people were In love, and after the very heart of God?
of course not!
This is why he paved a rode that once was impossible for any man to cross.

The Road is Jesus.

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Jesus was not saying that in general he was saying it to whom he was speaking to at the time just like those who didn't obey Moses had no access to God. So when Moses was speaking he was the way. the truth and the light whoever is the messenger is the way, the truth and the light.

More lies,
John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
This is a general statment, even though it directed towards Thomas, the Statment is clear that NO man can approach the Father without Jesus.
This has nothing to do with Moses, the only time he was ever mediator was for a moment in the moutain when Gods presence came down  where EVEN MOSES could not see the face of God.
But Jesus is the one who DWELLS in God.
1 Timothy 6:16Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
ALL Man has no access to Know God, but only through Jesus we Can.

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Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust. John 5:44-46 On the day of judgement all the prophets and messengers will testify to what they taught

Show me a verse to support your false Theory here?
Did you read the context Bod?
John 5:46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
47But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
Very simple they are hypocrites, because they say the believe Moses whose writings speak of Christ, if they do not believe than even the writings of Moses already claimed them to be unbelievers, for they did not believe scripture, because the spoke of Messiah.

The Son is the one who will Judge.
John 5:22
Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son,
John 5:27
And he has given him authority to judge because he is the Son of Man.
Maybe if you read the CONTEXT you would have noticed that these two scriptures came from the same chapter your presented.
These are MORE of your LIES or IGNORANCE, Pick one.

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Now the reason I wrote this verse is to show you the results of your reasoning. You believe in Jesus so have you done any of the works he did have you healed the sick or caused a miracle to happen?

Works and Mircales are all for the Glory of God and according to His WILL.  You think I will glorify myself with your question? All Glory is for God and God alone.
Faith without works is dead Faith, but the works Gods are a result of Faith.

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You see my point why do you bear false witness it is a great sin. You don't even know what Muhammad believes and you have no way of knowing what is from God.

Actually I do, This is not bearing false witness, this is the Truth, and a Truth that i know hurts you because it destroys your image, who you are, and everything that involves your lifestyle and those you love.
This is a Fact that Mohammed is a flase pr
ophet, he lied to you and many people.  
If YOU believe In Mohammed who made cliams 600 years after the Ressurection of Christ, than you have been fooled.

And if you really believe him, you have no authority nor any dignity to call me a liar.

Here is where your clearly Wrong, I know God, and because I know Him, I regonize whats not from Him.  
You said that You didnt care about Mohammed lifestyle, which proves alot about his character.

He made a counterfeit book, that required you to read the orginal so that you can gain the interpretation of God, this is a great Deceiver.

Ask God about Mohammed, and if your ready to listen, he will Convict you, and it will destroy your life because your imprisoned, and your a captive, your a slave of the deciever.
But there is One that will set you Free, and its not the Jesus of the Quran, its the Jesus who Died and Ressurected that can set you Free,
John 8:32
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

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Makes no sense

Very simple, The Cup that Jesus refereed too is the Cup of God Almighties Wrath, and he drank it for our sakes, so your reference to the cross as nothing to do with it.
Jesus was not worried about the Cross.

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Are you aware it says rise no more if Jesus drank that cup you don't believe he was raised from the dead,  you still want to believe this verse pertains to Jesus?

ARe you serious? are you that blind, do you not understand what I was trying to point out.  
The only reason i referenced Jeremiah is to show you the “meaning” of the “Cup”. and the Cup that Jesus referred to had nothing to do with the Physical Cross, but everything to do with the WRATH of God.
Thats why i showed you the verse so that you may see that the Cup is always referenced to Gods wrath.
So that it may be poured unto someone, his wrath.
in this case all his wrath was poured unto Jesus and thats why his blood is in the Cup.

Jeremiah is in direct context of the enemies of Israel.

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Believe God, Muhammad didn't make it up but you reject Muhammad just like the Jews that rejected Jesus. I reject neither.

Again than your a Fool to believe that.
How do you know that Muhammed didnt make it up?
So Jesus LIED? when he said he was going to be ressurected, so than all the people who saw him Die and all the people who SAW him ressurect Lied?
So what did the Disciples do after his Death and ressurection?
there message was simple THE MAN THAT YOU HEARD ABOUT, THIS JESUS, HE DIED, AND HE WAS THE SON OF GOD, YOU CRUCFIED HIM, BUT NOW HE IS ALIVE AGAIN, REPENT, REPENT,
ARE YOU TELLING ME, that all these people who changed their lives, Who DIED and were matryed for the GOSPEl DIED IN VAIN?
Your telling me when PETER and all the Disciples died, they died in vain? in a lie?

If you believe Muhammed than you are calling all these people a liar.
Muhammed who 600 years later decided to tell everyone that it was ALL a lie, and that in fact he never died?
This is a fools joke.

No Sir, you have rejected Jesus, and you have accepted Muhammed. Do not lie, for you already have lied to yourself.

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Then why believe anything Paul said? Paul said Jesus met him on the road to damascus after Jesus was already ascended Jesus warned his disciples:

And I will boldly correct you again.
Here is what you trying to do, in your devious mind, If i am unwilling to accept Muhmmmad than i cannot accept Paul, so now your trying to show proof againt Paul.
Just like the situation with the Quran. You find it nessary to Kidnap the Bible and forciably hold it with the Quran, so that the Quran can uphold.
Now your trying to do the same with Paul, and this is devious of you.  
You say if the Quran fails, the bible fails, and you now you also say if Muhammed fails than Paul fails.  but notice how you never say these things directly, but always eluding and being sneaky about it.  

But you know what Bod, The Bible continues to be Victor, because the Word of God is Living, and the Quran can Fail but the Word of God can never vanish away.
The Same with the Testimony of Paul, though he is only a Servant of God, he is not Tied nor connected in anyway with the servant of the deciever Muhammed.

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Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. Matthew 24:22-24 But you did believe and hence today you are confused

Context Bod, Did Paul ever cliam to be Christ? He preached that Jesus was alive Again, and Luke the writer of Acts supports that Paul message was about Jesus being ALIVE.
Acts 25:19
Instead, they had some points of dispute with him about their own religion and about a dead man named Jesus who Paul claimed was alive  His Testimony was according to the Gospel for he preached the Gospel!
Unlike Muhammed Paul spoke abuot Faith In Jesus Christ!

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Paul never knew Jesus and preaches a “spirit” Jesus Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1 John 4:1-3

Actually thats also a lie, where does he talk abuot Christ only as a spirit? Here let me correct you again since you didnt read teh Context again within the same chapter.

1 John:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world.
15Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
This is the First thing that Paul did
Acts 9:20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God.
21But all that heard him were amazed, and said; Is not this he that destroyed them which called on this name in Jerusalem, and came hither for that intent, that he might bring them bound unto the chief priests?
22But Saul increased the more in strength, and confounded the Jews which dwelt at Damascus, proving that this is very Christ.

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Paul preaches a Jesus that came in the spirit to  him Jesus said: Mark 13:21-22 (King James Version) 21And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: 22For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

AGain where does it say that Paul met Jesus as a spirit?
Here is what happend, a LIGHT shinned and he heard a voice.
3And as he j
ourneyed, he came near Damascus: and suddenly there shined round about him a light from heaven:
4And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
And those around were witnesses of that even though they were dumbfounded.

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Acts 28:3-6 (King James Version) That last sentence does not contonue to say Paul corrected that notion

So your proof is what is not Stated in Scripture?
You didnt get the point of the story, The people viewed him as a nobody, as a Criminal, a murderer and than they minds changed believing that he was some kind of deity amoung them.  
This is not proof that Paul didnt stop them, though Luke did not record it.  So this is merely a Conjecture of yours, a false one.  Knowing paul he probably did stop them, For he did it before, and they stoned him for it.
Here is another occurence where PAul in fact did stop them.
Acts 14:11And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.———————–
13Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.
14Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
15And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
16Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.
17Nevertheless he left not himself without witness, in that he did good, and gave us rain from heaven, and fruitful seasons, filling our hearts with food and gladness.
18And with these sayings scarce restrained they the people, that they had not done sacrifice unto them.
19And there came thither certain Jews from Antioch and Iconium, who persuaded the people, and having stoned Paul, drew him out of the city, supposing he had been dead.
Read Bod, Read.

IF he Did it onced and it has never been observed that He has ever accpeted any glory of any kind, not even in his epistles, than its a Theory with proof that he did in fact reject them.  

Therefore something that is not stated is not proof at all, but merely a conjecture without any proofs, therefore a fallacy.

Paul in Fact heard a voice and was blinded by a great light who there were witnesses of it, and later was CONFIRMED by Ananias who was Terribbly afraid of Paul, a devote follower of Christ and a stranger, Yet he did the Lords will and went in faith that this Persecutor wouldnt kill him but join the cause.
Wasnt Muhammed confirmed by his OWN wife?
and your comparing that to Paul?

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Of course there are people who are not sinners and it doesn't matter if they had sinned before. You have a very small understanding on this subject.

And this is where your wrong, for someone not to be a Sinner, is otherwise stating that you can Reach God as you Are, and without Jesus.

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Ezekiel 33:11-15 (King James Version) Do you understand this at all?

Yes, Read the Context, and read how Ezekial is the Watchman, the Warning yet they believe not.
Ezekial 33:31 And they come unto thee as the people cometh, and they sit before thee as my people, and they hear thy words, but they will not do them: for with their mouth they shew much love, but their heart goeth after their covetousness.
read the next chapter, about the Shepard, and who is that Shepard?
34:23And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.

and Now Read Ezekial 37
Ezekiel 37
1The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,
2And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry.
3And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.
4Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.
5Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
6And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
7So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.
8And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.
9Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.
10So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.
Romans 10:17
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Do you understand this at all?

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You really keep approaching this from a perspective that someone doesn't love God or had an encounter with God and that's an incorrect perspective and assumes way too much

If We Love its by God will, not ours.  We love Because he loved us First.
1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us.
No, it doesnt assume anything, everything that is good comes from God.  We naturally disobey God, to follow God is against our nature in this flesh, but through Christ and the spirit he put IN Us, that he may DWELL in us, we can be a Children of light and cry out to “Abba” Father!
If it wasnt for God's love we would Naturally not seek God,
but becaue He loves, we seek him.  

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So according to you, you are a rebellious sinner?

Yes, but set free from that bondage, and now im a slave to Christ.

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If God had wished that no sin was ever committed do you think it would not be in HIS power to have prevented it? Remember we are talking about ALMIGHTY GOD

Remember that God is love and God gave man a Choice to Love him back, since he didnt remain faithful therefore the result is living in
Sin.  
Man was created without Sin, The Almighty God not only prevented but Sin did not exist, until the Fall of Adam, and though we are all have fallen Short by Adam we are now all saved by the Second Adam who is Jesus Christ.

READ THE WHOLE THING!
this will include that all man have sinned, and include the atonement in Jesus Christ, the subject in hand.
Romans 5
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
2By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
3And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
4And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
5And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
6For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
7For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
8But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
9Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
10For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.
11And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
13(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
17For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
18Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
19For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
20Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
21That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
Read the Whole Thing Bod, this chapter has all the points have stated.  It Includes that All men are sinners, and that we are redeemed by Christ, who we receive atonement through.
Through one mans disobedience, Sin entered the world, through ONE man's compelete perfect obdedience we are redeemed!

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On no soul doth Allah Place a burden greater than it can bear. It gets every good that it earns, and it suffers every ill that it earns. (Pray:) “Our Lord! Condemn us not if we forget or fall into error; our Lord! Lay not on us a burden Like that which Thou didst lay on those before us; Our Lord! Lay not on us a burden greater than we have strength to bear. Blot out our sins, and grant us forgiveness. Have mercy on us. Thou art our Protector; Help us against those who stand against faith.”   (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #286)

what does this Counterfeit scripture have to do with this?
Who wrote this verse? Who is speaking to whom? whats the context?

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You said they were both sinners and now you call Abel righteous? maybe you are starting to get it

Why dont you read the Romans 5 again.

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Makes no sense, they all came from Adam and your belief is ORIGINAL SIN so either was no different than Adam or you believe like I believe that Noah was righteous

I never spoke of Orginal sin, I spoke that ALL men SIN, in general.   Its in Man's nature to Sin.  Noah was different compeletly he was the only line of Seth who was not corrupted by Cains line of Evil.  
Get the difference?
Cain=evil,
Seth= good
Why? what did Cain do? Who was
Genesis 6:9These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
note: LOOK AT THE CONTEXT
before this is written!!!
Genesis 6:8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
HOW ARE WE SAVED NOW? BY GRACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
BY GRACE BROTHER BY GRACE!!!!
BY GRACE BY GRACE BY GRACE BY GRACE!!!!!!!!!!!

BUT Noah found grace in the eyes of the lord,
what is the pretext of that?
That the LORD repented for making MAN!
BUT HE FOUND GRACE IN NOAH!!

NEW POINT! these are the generations of NOAH, Its not that he was JUST and that he was  PERFECT MAN,
Its talking about is PURE descent!
he is PURE descendant, and not from the family of Cains line of EVIL Descendants!

What do you think was the point of CHAPTER 5 of Genesis was?
Noah though a flawed person LOOKED for God!
THAT IS All!

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Then that means Adam was never perfect even before he ate from the tree because according to you there would be no way for him to have that same rebellious that Cain had

Actually that has nothing to do with what I Said, I said that Cain KILLED this proves imperfection. Adam Chose imperfection even though he was already perfect.
He did something AGAINST is ORGINAL nature of obedience, and took a new Nature of Fleshful Sin.

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Yes. God has been sending and sending many prophets and teachers to assist people on this journey

More of your deceits,
Jesus was sent to save us from Sin.
Period. Nothing else,
Every Messenger, every prophet, evey Israel, awaited the Messiah,
EVery Prophet knew that he was the One and Only Saviour,
He is the Son of God.
He sent ONE begotten Son to die for your sins.

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Being taught

TO DO WHAT?

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That's what I said. No Sacrifice needed

NO, you LIED, you said something different.
And you know it,
The scrafices were not required but SINCE Israel could NOT OBEY, they required a atonement eventually, and the Present-tense of that Scripture of the children of Israel were being COMPARED to their fore-fathers, they had the scrafices but their fathers didnt, and yet they are BOTH in the same boat of disobedience and going after their own imaginations!

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Makes no sense according to the way you believe these people were already condemned for ORIGINAL SIN therefore sacrifices would have been needed all the time even if they had obeyed according to the way you believe. According to the way I believe and understand is that God does not need sacrifices nor is it ever the Sacrifice that would reach God anyway it is only the the righteousness of the act that reaches God

I never mentioned anything about Orginal Sin, your stuck in someone elses Doctrine! there is already a doctrine about ORginal Sin and whatever its about. Your confused and this is not what im talking about.
I simply said: ALL MEN HAVE SINNED
This makes perfect Since, and proves my point, that what was required was for them to obey, but they couldnt.
None of us can competelty obey even if we wanted to because we all have sinned and come short of the glory, we naturally do not seek God and rebel against him.
A Momentay Action does not save you, for you can be Right for a second and fall in the next move.
Just like Peter! he regonized that Jesus was the Son of God and than 5 mins later he was Rebuked by Jesus.

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Yes, you're starting to get it

Its you who is not gettting it,
The Love of God is always above All of that!
To LOVE HIM WITH ALL YOUR HEART,
BUT YOUR HEART IS DECEIFUL!
WE need JESUS!
Jeremiah 17:9The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?

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Wrong it was already being done before Jesus but yes Jesus certainly is The Way, The Truth and The Life and remember that not only he is because you should also be. Jesus said: Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life. John 8:11-13 But then he says As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world. John 9:4-6 but then he also said and this is what you need to pay attention to Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid. Matthew 5:13-15 Did you see that progression?

Your Wrong Bod, very very very confused.
WE can ONLY BE THAT WAY THROUGH JESUS!
Thats the POINT that All men cannot approach the Father without him.
Ephesians 5:8For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
9(For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth;)
John 12:36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.
We are to be Children of Light,
The passage you mentioned which is also said that we are the light of the world, in other words compared to a city thats on a hill, that our actions (referring to context) will be VISIBLE, SEEN, it CANNOT BE HID, it will be LIGHT, VISIBLE.
Now your comparing that to Jesus?

Picking scripture here and there is not progression.

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Yep, Unhappy. The only way you could feel that way is because you yourself are the self-righteous one. I say let God be the Judge

Lol Think what you want, But i am not.
I do not feel Self-rigtheous at All,
Your the one going left and right trying to prove scripture that you know nothing about, Stating LIES, that i have EVery right to call you out publically about.  You ARe lying and being deceitful, twisting scriptures and providiving faulty logic.  This is Wrong,
And because im calling you out, yoru calling me unhappy, this is just another one of your diversions, as usual.
I hate what your doing Bod, because the truth is right in front of you, your choosing to ignore it.
This is Wrong and you very well know it.

God is the Judge
but the TRUTH WILL CONVICT YOU,
Deny yourself bod,
give up the pride,
give up the deceitful tacits, the hit and runs, and the diversions.

These are your ways! this is what you been doing!
You lie, and than you make Diversions, you never fess up, you ignore what you cannot answer and you make personal hit and runs to divert the exposure of your true image as a deciever or the Deceived.

Either way, YOU Cannot believe In Paul and belive in the Mummahed becuase Paul preached one thing and Muhammed the oppisite. you cant believe in both, Pick one.

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The Jews said that the Christians follow nothing (i.e. are not on the right religion); and the Christians said that the Jews follow nothing (i.e. are not on the right religion); though they both recite the Scripture. Like unto their word, said (the pagans) who know not. Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection about that wherein they have been differing. (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #113) Mankind were one community and Allah sent Prophets with glad tidings and warnings, and with them He sent down the Scripture in truth to judge between people in matters wherein they differed. And only those to whom (the Scripture) was given differed concerning it after clear proofs had come unto them through hatred, one to another. Then Allah by His Leave guided those who believed to the truth of that wherein they differed. And Allah guides whom He wills to the Straight Path. (  سورة البقرة  , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #213)

Both are lies, that was not the Case because the Jews are the Christians.
Peter and the apostles along with Paul all Jews.
And Mankind was only one community in one occurence in the tower of babel.
These are all lies, the Prophets were only sent to parts of Israel, and when they were divided betweent the North(Israel) and South (Judah) and only twice was a prophet sent to Ninvie of syria (Jonah in person, and Nahum by letter)

Stop believing in lies Bod,
deny yourself
Much love In Christ Jesus Our Lord,

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 30 2010,14:32)

Hi SF, is bod behaving down here ? I hope so,

This has nothing to do with behaving but with Truth and Revelation, and as the Light shines, the darkness will fade away.
The LIES end Here

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 30 2010,16:14)

Hi SF, Here is PROOF of BD's deceitfulness… Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 30 2010,00:57) Quote after the encounter Jesus had with the Diciples and with Paul who say otherwise.   Your expecting to believe someone who wasnt there over the people who were there. Then why believe anything Paul said? Paul said Jesus met him on the road to damascus after Jesus was already ascended Jesus warned his disciples: Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. Matthew 24:22-24 But you did believe and hence today you are confused Paul never knew Jesus and preaches a “spirit” Jesus Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1 John 4:1-3 Paul preaches a Jesus that came in the spirit to  him Jesus said: Mark 13:21-22 (King James Version) 21And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: 22For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. Now pay attention: Acts 28:3-6 (King James Version) 3And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand. 4And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live. 5And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm. 6Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god. That last sentence does not contonue to say Paul corrected that notion God Bless You! Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 26 2010,19:16) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 26 2010,19:02) Hi SF, That's because BD does not believe the writings of The Apostle Paul are canon; nor does BD believe in the New Testament altogether! (Matt.26:28 / Mark 14:24 / Luke 22:20 / 1Cor.11:25) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Of course they are canon ED but that has nothing to do with what we are discussing here. Can you see the deceit in BD's words; SF? Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH! יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

And thats all you saw?
The Deceit is in the spirit

[SimplyForgiven]

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Hi Everyone, The atonement of Christ… Enjoy!

I liked the Video,
It Inspired me,
Plus the guy said the same thing i said,

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (JustAskin @ Oct. 02 2010,14:08)

SimplyForgiven, For what you have written to Bod, JustAskin will commend you to God through Christ. You have spoken with Holy Spirited revelation. In this, I uphold you. Congratulations through the Spirit of God. Would that all your posts were as such. Hey, has anyone shown Mike what it says in Luke 1:31-33, 'He WILL be called the SON OF THE MOST HIGH?

Just Askin,
All Honor and Glory to God
I Thank you, and so than you realize we are truely brothers?

I am happy to know that You Can See Me,
But Not Me, but He that is IN Me.

Im happy to know that you can Truely See,
You can Discern, and you have figured me out well.

I congradulate you in brotherly Love, in Love of God
that you could accomplish what MANY and MANY couldnt,

You can See, and im happy that you can.
You know me, through Him who can search into the depths of my heart.

And since your connected to Him, and since we are brothers through him we can See the Love of God in eachother.

About Mike,
I was thinking the very same thing, lol

[Ed J]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 03 2010,18:48)

Bod, Quote Ezekiel 33:11-15 (King James Version) Do you understand this at all? Yes, Read the Context… Stop believing in lies Bod, deny yourself Much love In Christ Jesus Our Lord,

Hi SF,

Bearing false witness is commiting iniquity! (Ex.20:16 / Deut.5:20)
Ezekiel 33:13 When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live;
if he (Asana Bodhitharta) trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity (by telling lies about Jesus),
all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.

Ex.20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor.
Deut.5:20 Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbor.

Luke 10:29 But he, willing to justify himself,
said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbor?

Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)

[Ed J]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 03 2010,19:11)

Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 30 2010,16:14) Hi SF, Here is PROOF of BD's deceitfulness… Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 30 2010,00:57) Quote after the encounter Jesus had with the Diciples and with Paul who say otherwise.   Your expecting to believe someone who wasnt there over the people who were there. Then why believe anything Paul said? Paul said Jesus met him on the road to damascus after Jesus was already ascended Jesus warned his disciples: Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. Matthew 24:22-24 But you did believe and hence today you are confused Paul never knew Jesus and preaches a “spirit” Jesus Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1 John 4:1-3 Paul preaches a Jesus that came in the spirit to  him Jesus said: Mark 13:21-22 (King James Version) 21And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: 22For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. Now pay attention: Acts 28:3-6 (King James Version) 3And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand. 4And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live. 5And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm. 6Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god. That last sentence does not contonue to say Paul corrected that notion God Bless You! Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 26 2010,19:16) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 26 2010,19:02) Hi SF, That's because BD does not believe the writings of The Apostle Paul are canon; nor does BD believe in the New Testament altogether! (Matt.26:28 / Mark 14:24 / Luke 22:20 / 1Cor.11:25) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Of course they are canon ED but that has nothing to do with what we are discussing here. Can you see the deceit in BD's words; SF? Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH! יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16) And thats all you saw? The Deceit is in the spirit

Hi SF,

What do you mean by this statement?

Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

[SimplyForgiven]

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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 03 2010,19:11) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 30 2010,16:14) Hi SF, Here is PROOF of BD's deceitfulness… Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 30 2010,00:57) Quote after the encounter Jesus had with the Diciples and with Paul who say otherwise.   Your expecting to believe someone who wasnt there over the people who were there. Then why believe anything Paul said? Paul said Jesus met him on the road to damascus after Jesus was already ascended Jesus warned his disciples: Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. Matthew 24:22-24 But you did believe and hence today you are confused Paul never knew Jesus and preaches a “spirit” Jesus Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1 John 4:1-3 Paul preaches a Jesus that came in the spirit to  him Jesus said: Mark 13:21-22 (King James Version) 21And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: 22For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. Now pay attention: Acts 28:3-6 (King James Version) 3And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand. 4And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live. 5And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm. 6Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god. That last sentence does not contonue to say Paul corrected that notion God Bless You! Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 26 2010,19:16) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 26 2010,19:02) Hi SF, That's because BD does not believe the writings of The Apostle Paul are canon; nor does BD believe in the New Testament altogether! (Matt.26:28 / Mark 14:24 / Luke 22:20 / 1Cor.11:25) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Of course they are canon ED but that has nothing to do with what we are discussing here. Can you see the deceit in BD's words; SF? Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH! יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16) And thats all you saw? The Deceit is in the spirit Hi SF, What do you mean by this statement? Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

if you didnt understand than pray about it

[Ed J]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 04 2010,17:31)

Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 04 2010,08:06) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Oct. 03 2010,19:11) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 30 2010,16:14) Hi SF, Here is PROOF of BD's deceitfulness… Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 30 2010,00:57) Quote after the encounter Jesus had with the Diciples and with Paul who say otherwise.   Your expecting to believe someone who wasnt there over the people who were there. Then why believe anything Paul said? Paul said Jesus met him on the road to damascus after Jesus was already ascended Jesus warned his disciples: Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. Matthew 24:22-24 But you did believe and hence today you are confused Paul never knew Jesus and preaches a “spirit” Jesus Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1 John 4:1-3 Paul preaches a Jesus that came in the spirit to  him Jesus said: Mark 13:21-22 (King James Version) 21And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: 22For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect. Now pay attention: Acts 28:3-6 (King James Version) 3And when Paul had gathered a bundle of sticks, and laid them on the fire, there came a viper out of the heat, and fastened on his hand. 4And when the barbarians saw the venomous beast hang on his hand, they said among themselves, No doubt this man is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance suffereth not to live. 5And he shook off the beast into the fire, and felt no harm. 6Howbeit they looked when he should have swollen, or fallen down dead suddenly: but after they had looked a great while, and saw no harm come to him, they changed their minds, and said that he was a god. That last sentence does not contonue to say Paul corrected that notion God Bless You! Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 26 2010,19:16) Quote (Ed J @ Sep. 26 2010,19:02) Hi SF, That's because BD does not believe the writings of The Apostle Paul are canon; nor does BD believe in the New Testament altogether! (Matt.26:28 / Mark 14:24 / Luke 22:20 / 1Cor.11:25) God bless Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org Of course they are canon ED but that has nothing to do with what we are discussing here. Can you see the deceit in BD's words; SF? Witnessing to a worldwide audience in behalf of YHVH! יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā  hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm! Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16) And thats all you saw? The Deceit is in the spirit Hi SF, What do you mean by this statement? Ed J http://www.holycitybiblecode.org if you didnt understand than pray about it

Hi SF,

Why can't you tell me?

When you wanted me to explain what you didn't understand,
I didn't respond “pray about it”; why are you dogging me?

Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

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Hi SF, Why can't you tell me? When you wanted me to explain what you didn't understand, I didn't respond “pray about it”; why are you dogging me? Ed J (Joshua 22:34) http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

There, there Ed J,

I said it has something to do with spiritual deceit right?
well I cant really explain it, because if you cant understand the “Spiritual” than it cant be explained in the wisdom of man.
So when you pray and you get connected to God, than you can understand the Spiritual.
So dont take it as “brush off” but the wisest counsel you can seek is always in God, espeacially about the spiritual.

1 Corinthians 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.
12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

[JustAskin]

SF,
I see what I see when I see what is pointed out by the Spirit for me to see.

I applaud the Spirit of Truth in whomever it resides, whenever it resides thus.

In what you wrote the Spirit was certainly in you but it is not always but for that then it was Holy. Praise be to Him who blessed you so.

Others should follow likewise. Acknowledge Truth where it is found. Encourage the brothers, and Sisters, in truth and with a righteous spirit.

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