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Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 14 2010,12:53) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 08 2010,02:10) There are always men that have loved God naturally. I am one of them I have always had a natural affection for God
So you never sinned?
I really don't believe sin is the issue per seQuote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 14 2010,12:54) ohh to Add:
Why do you love God naturally?
What makes you love your Parents Naturally?
I have always loved my parents Naturally as well if I did something wrong it was not because I didn't love them it was more I didn't understand what I was doing but when I would I would stop doing that thing(whatever it was at the time)To assume that God never intended for us to sin would be to say you don't believe that God knew HE made us with this capacity when it says God made man good. We learn to be obedient and trusting towards God especially if we Love HIM
Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 14 2010,19:30) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 14 2010,12:54) ohh to Add:
Why do you love God naturally?
What makes you love your Parents Naturally?
I have always loved my parents Naturally as well if I did something wrong it was not because I didn't love them it was more I didn't understand what I was doing but when I would I would stop doing that thing(whatever it was at the time)To assume that God never intended for us to sin would be to say you don't believe that God knew HE made us with this capacity when it says God made man good. We learn to be obedient and trusting towards God especially if we Love HIM
You went around my question.Do you sin? have you ever Sin?
Just answer that direct question and i will explain the rest later.
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 15 2010,05:16) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 14 2010,19:30) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 14 2010,12:54) ohh to Add:
Why do you love God naturally?
What makes you love your Parents Naturally?
I have always loved my parents Naturally as well if I did something wrong it was not because I didn't love them it was more I didn't understand what I was doing but when I would I would stop doing that thing(whatever it was at the time)To assume that God never intended for us to sin would be to say you don't believe that God knew HE made us with this capacity when it says God made man good. We learn to be obedient and trusting towards God especially if we Love HIM
You went around my question.Do you sin? have you ever Sin?
Just answer that direct question and i will explain the rest later.
Yes, I haveQuote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 15 2010,05:24) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 15 2010,05:16) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 14 2010,19:30) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 14 2010,12:54) ohh to Add:
Why do you love God naturally?
What makes you love your Parents Naturally?
I have always loved my parents Naturally as well if I did something wrong it was not because I didn't love them it was more I didn't understand what I was doing but when I would I would stop doing that thing(whatever it was at the time)To assume that God never intended for us to sin would be to say you don't believe that God knew HE made us with this capacity when it says God made man good. We learn to be obedient and trusting towards God especially if we Love HIM
You went around my question.Do you sin? have you ever Sin?
Just answer that direct question and i will explain the rest later.
Yes, I have
You said you love God naturally,
Thats untrue,Its not becuase you loved God, that you love,
Its because God loved you FIRST and than you love him back.The only reason you love your parents is because of God,
Love comes directly from God, and the only reason that you love is becaues of him.
And since we can easily fail to love perfectly as he love us,
than we all fall short.Since we sin and we love to sin, and we dont repent
we choose one over another.God knew that we would sin, thats why he found a way to redeem us from our own self destruction.
You can only love God because he loved you first.
and because we also love the world we cannot love both.In the end we sin, and we fail and we are imperfect,
but we can be perfected in the love of God.Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 15 2010,17:30) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 15 2010,05:24) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 15 2010,05:16) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 14 2010,19:30) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 14 2010,12:54) ohh to Add:
Why do you love God naturally?
What makes you love your Parents Naturally?
I have always loved my parents Naturally as well if I did something wrong it was not because I didn't love them it was more I didn't understand what I was doing but when I would I would stop doing that thing(whatever it was at the time)To assume that God never intended for us to sin would be to say you don't believe that God knew HE made us with this capacity when it says God made man good. We learn to be obedient and trusting towards God especially if we Love HIM
You went around my question.Do you sin? have you ever Sin?
Just answer that direct question and i will explain the rest later.
Yes, I have
You said you love God naturally,
Thats untrue,Its not becuase you loved God, that you love,
Its because God loved you FIRST and than you love him back.The only reason you love your parents is because of God,
Love comes directly from God, and the only reason that you love is becaues of him.
And since we can easily fail to love perfectly as he love us,
than we all fall short.Since we sin and we love to sin, and we dont repent
we choose one over another.God knew that we would sin, thats why he found a way to redeem us from our own self destruction.
You can only love God because he loved you first.
and because we also love the world we cannot love both.In the end we sin, and we fail and we are imperfect,
but we can be perfected in the love of God.
Actually that is not what God said God said:” If you do well, will not your countenance be lifted up? And if you do not do well, sin is crouching at the door; and its desire is for you, but you must master it.”
Genesis 4:6-8If you believe this you will see my point. I BELIEVE GOD and HE doesn't agree with your view according to the scriptures and neither does Jesus when he says:
“Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Matthew 5:47-48Anyway, God Bless you!
James 1:3-5 (New American Standard Bible)
3knowing that the testing of your faith produces endurance.
4And let endurance have its perfect result, so that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing.
5But if any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask of God, who gives to all generously and without reproach, and it will be given to him.
We are not nor have we ever been seperated from God but Satan deceives the whole world
Dude,
Seriously you took all those scriptures out of context,
we are to be perfect!
but we can only be perfect THROUGH God,
we cannot do it by ourselves, you have no ability to do so,THE ONLY PERFECT THING YOU CAN EVER DO IS TO SAY YES TO GOD
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 16 2010,04:41) Dude,
Seriously you took all those scriptures out of context,
we are to be perfect!
but we can only be perfect THROUGH God,
we cannot do it by ourselves, you have no ability to do so,THE ONLY PERFECT THING YOU CAN EVER DO IS TO SAY YES TO GOD
Exactly! So when God says to be perfect I say “yes”When God says to Rule Over sin and Master it, I say “yes”
God said that YOU must do it yourself and Jesus said that he overcame the world and that YOU must overcome which means he is not doing it for you and that's why he says:
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Revelation 2:25-27This has always been about us living up to the initial command of God to be fruitful and multiply and SUBDUE the EARTH but people forgot and spend their time trying to subdue one another.
I am speaking the truth SF and God Knows if what I say is true or false so I will leave it at that.
For instance you say you submit to God and so I say you are a Muslim and you feel offended when that is all it means is someone who submits to God but it is more the desire to Subdue others that does not allow someone to go beyond language and say “Yes, I am a Submitter/Muslim n any language”
Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 16 2010,02:04) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 16 2010,04:41) Dude,
Seriously you took all those scriptures out of context,
we are to be perfect!
but we can only be perfect THROUGH God,
we cannot do it by ourselves, you have no ability to do so,THE ONLY PERFECT THING YOU CAN EVER DO IS TO SAY YES TO GOD
Exactly! So when God says to be perfect I say “yes”When God says to Rule Over sin and Master it, I say “yes”
God said that YOU must do it yourself and Jesus said that he overcame the world and that YOU must overcome which means he is not doing it for you and that's why he says:
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Revelation 2:25-27This has always been about us living up to the initial command of God to be fruitful and multiply and SUBDUE the EARTH but people forgot and spend their time trying to subdue one another.
I am speaking the truth SF and God Knows if what I say is true or false so I will leave it at that.
For instance you say you submit to God and so I say you are a Muslim and you feel offended when that is all it means is someone who submits to God but it is more the desire to Subdue others that does not allow someone to go beyond language and say “Yes, I am a Submitter/Muslim n any language”
No not exactly,Its in our nature to say NO!
while ALL CREATION says Yes to God,
We have the ability to say no,And we have no DESIRE to ever say YES,
because what we think is Right and Wrong is irrevelant to what God thinks is RIGHT and WRONG.
God draws us in!
in other words you love your parents not because you suddenly chose to, its because that love is FROM God.Everything good comes from God. We wouldnt be able to do Good at any sense WITHOUT God.
God never said to do it by yourself! he told me to DRAW NEAR TO HIM, to COME TO HIM. BECAUSE HE IS THE ONLY ONE CAPABLE.
we cannot.
your telling an apple to become an orange, the apple can not do that, but the creator can.
he said not to worry becuase he OVERCAME the world.
again scriptures out of context.we COULD never satisfy God, and nor his commandements. Thats why he must have mercy.
Without JUSTICE there is no MERCY!
of course GOD KNOWS,
the question is do you know?
??NO,
I am not a muslim.
and im not offended, but its simply what i am not.
Why because your playing game Bod, you play with your words.You know very well if you say muslim, i am not thinking of sublication, im thinking of the religion and costumes that the “name” stands for in todays world.
You need to stop expecting people to read your mind as if they KNOW what you mean.
You say muslim and you think submitter,
I say muslim, im talking about the religionYou say Jesus, the Prophet,
I say Jesus, the Son of God, the Messiah!you need get witht the program and smell the mcnuggets because you cant expect people to understand your unique diffinitions of everything.
Even if the word means what it means, doesnt mean people (which we all are some what ignorant) are going to THINK like you.
So be specfic!
anyways, the only reason you could ever say Yes, is because God changed our hearts to do so.
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 16 2010,16:25) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 16 2010,02:04) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 16 2010,04:41) Dude,
Seriously you took all those scriptures out of context,
we are to be perfect!
but we can only be perfect THROUGH God,
we cannot do it by ourselves, you have no ability to do so,THE ONLY PERFECT THING YOU CAN EVER DO IS TO SAY YES TO GOD
Exactly! So when God says to be perfect I say “yes”When God says to Rule Over sin and Master it, I say “yes”
God said that YOU must do it yourself and Jesus said that he overcame the world and that YOU must overcome which means he is not doing it for you and that's why he says:
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Revelation 2:25-27This has always been about us living up to the initial command of God to be fruitful and multiply and SUBDUE the EARTH but people forgot and spend their time trying to subdue one another.
I am speaking the truth SF and God Knows if what I say is true or false so I will leave it at that.
For instance you say you submit to God and so I say you are a Muslim and you feel offended when that is all it means is someone who submits to God but it is more the desire to Subdue others that does not allow someone to go beyond language and say “Yes, I am a Submitter/Muslim n any language”
No not exactly,Its in our nature to say NO!
while ALL CREATION says Yes to God,
We have the ability to say no,And we have no DESIRE to ever say YES,
because what we think is Right and Wrong is irrevelant to what God thinks is RIGHT and WRONG.
God draws us in!
in other words you love your parents not because you suddenly chose to, its because that love is FROM God.Everything good comes from God. We wouldnt be able to do Good at any sense WITHOUT God.
God never said to do it by yourself! he told me to DRAW NEAR TO HIM, to COME TO HIM. BECAUSE HE IS THE ONLY ONE CAPABLE.
we cannot.
your telling an apple to become an orange, the apple can not do that, but the creator can.
he said not to worry becuase he OVERCAME the world.
again scriptures out of context.we COULD never satisfy God, and nor his commandements. Thats why he must have mercy.
Without JUSTICE there is no MERCY!
of course GOD KNOWS,
the question is do you know???NO,
I am not a muslim.
and im not offended, but its simply what i am not.
Why because your playing game Bod, you play with your words.You know very well if you say muslim, i am not thinking of sublication, im thinking of the religion and costumes that the “name” stands for in todays world.
You need to stop expecting people to read your mind as if they KNOW what you mean.
You say muslim and you think submitter,
I say muslim, im talking about the religionYou say Jesus, the Prophet,
I say Jesus, the Son of God, the Messiah!you need get witht the program and smell the mcnuggets because you cant expect people to understand your unique diffinitions of everything.
Even if the word means what it means, doesnt mean people (which we all are some what ignorant) are going to THINK like you.
So be specfic!
anyways, the only reason you could ever say Yes, is because God changed our hearts to do so.
We were made in the image of God so if God says we are to say yes then yes it is within us to do so, otherwise we were not created in HIS image.Either you are a submitter or not if you are you are a Muslim.
It's like someone who is a protestant if someone is a protestant that means they Protest the Catholic Church and it doesn't matter what Protestant denomination they are or what other Christian they consider themselves everyone who Protests the Catholic Church is a Protestant.
I say Jesus is The Messiah too and you do say that Jesus is a Prophet unless you don't believe the scriptures that say he is a prophet:
So the multitudes said, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth of Galilee.”
Matthew 21:10-12And He said to them, “What things?” So they said to Him, “The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people,
Luke 24:18-20Then those men, when they had seen the sign that Jesus did, said, “This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world.”
John 6:13-15Matthew 13:56-58 (New King James Version)
56 And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this Man get all these things?” 57 So they were offended at Him.
But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own country and in his own house.” 58 Now He did not do many mighty works there because of their unbelief.The problem is you see a prophet as God but how can a prophet be God?
God made us however we are and therefore we were made perfectly the way God planned. I have always loved God, Believe it or Not!
Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 17 2010,03:50) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 16 2010,16:25) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 16 2010,02:04) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 16 2010,04:41) Dude,
Seriously you took all those scriptures out of context,
we are to be perfect!
but we can only be perfect THROUGH God,
we cannot do it by ourselves, you have no ability to do so,THE ONLY PERFECT THING YOU CAN EVER DO IS TO SAY YES TO GOD
Exactly! So when God says to be perfect I say “yes”When God says to Rule Over sin and Master it, I say “yes”
God said that YOU must do it yourself and Jesus said that he overcame the world and that YOU must overcome which means he is not doing it for you and that's why he says:
And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Revelation 2:25-27This has always been about us living up to the initial command of God to be fruitful and multiply and SUBDUE the EARTH but people forgot and spend their time trying to subdue one another.
I am speaking the truth SF and God Knows if what I say is true or false so I will leave it at that.
For instance you say you submit to God and so I say you are a Muslim and you feel offended when that is all it means is someone who submits to God but it is more the desire to Subdue others that does not allow someone to go beyond language and say “Yes, I am a Submitter/Muslim n any language”
No not exactly,Its in our nature to say NO!
while ALL CREATION says Yes to God,
We have the ability to say no,And we have no DESIRE to ever say YES,
because what we think is Right and Wrong is irrevelant to what God thinks is RIGHT and WRONG.
God draws us in!
in other words you love your parents not because you suddenly chose to, its because that love is FROM God.Everything good comes from God. We wouldnt be able to do Good at any sense WITHOUT God.
God never said to do it by yourself! he told me to DRAW NEAR TO HIM, to COME TO HIM. BECAUSE HE IS THE ONLY ONE CAPABLE.
we cannot.
your telling an apple to become an orange, the apple can not do that, but the creator can.
he said not to worry becuase he OVERCAME the world.
again scriptures out of context.we COULD never satisfy God, and nor his commandements. Thats why he must have mercy.
Without JUSTICE there is no MERCY!
of course GOD KNOWS,
the question is do you know???NO,
I am not a muslim.
and im not offended, but its simply what i am not.
Why because your playing game Bod, you play with your words.You know very well if you say muslim, i am not thinking of sublication, im thinking of the religion and costumes that the “name” stands for in todays world.
You need to stop expecting people to read your mind as if they KNOW what you mean.
You say muslim and you think submitter,
I say muslim, im talking about the religionYou say Jesus, the Prophet,
I say Jesus, the Son of God, the Messiah!you need get witht the program and smell the mcnuggets because you cant expect people to understand your unique diffinitions of everything.
Even if the word means what it means, doesnt mean people (which we all are some what ignorant) are going to THINK like you.
So be specfic!
anyways, the only reason you could ever say Yes, is because God changed our hearts to do so.
We were made in the image of God so if God says we are to say yes then yes it is within us to do so, otherwise we were not created in HIS image.Either you are a submitter or not if you are you are a Muslim.
It's like someone who is a protestant if someone is a protestant that means they Protest the Catholic Church and it doesn't matter what Protestant denomination they are or what other Christian they consider themselves everyone who Protests the Catholic Church is a Protestant.
I say Jesus is The Messiah too and you do say that Jesus is a Prophet unless you don't believe the scriptures that say he is a prophet:
So the multitudes said, “This is Jesus, the prophet from Nazareth of Galilee.”
Matthew 21:10-12And He said to them, “What things?” So they said to Him, “The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people,
Luke 24:18-20Then those men, when they had seen the sign that Jesus did, said, “This is truly the Prophet who is to come into the world.”
John 6:13-15Matthew 13:56-58 (New King James Version)
56 And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this Man get all these things?” 57 So they were offended at Him.
But Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor except in his own country and in his own house.” 58 Now He did not do many mighty works there because of their unbelief.The problem is you see a prophet as God but how can a prophet be God?
God made us however we are and therefore we were made perfectly the way God planned. I have always loved God, Believe it or Not!
Bod,
We broke that image as soon as we chose to say NO.
In other words Bod, we were disobediant to God.
He gave a command and YET Adam sinned,So the truth is, Adam said No, and he BROKE the IMAGE that God gave us.
WE were created in the LIKENESS of his Image, and than we broke whatever BOND we had with God.
The Tree that Adam and Eve ate from brought spiritual death.
A seperation between God and Man.Dont try to back me in a corner and try to MAKE me state that i am a Muslim. I AM certainly not a Muslim.
You cant force any classfication on me based SOLELY on your interpretation.Im not only a submitter, I follow Jesus, All i want to do in my life is to pick up that Cross and Follow him.
A Follower of Christ, Thats what i am.
People say they are catholic all the TIME, but doesnt mean they know what that actually means.
People say they are Christans all the time, but they dont even know what that truely means,You are assuming everyone is following the direct defintions of what they cliam to be, when its an illusion, an assumption.
IF you want to understand people, first put away your think, and understand them instead of trying to force people into your interpretation. How can you expect people to understand you when your just as unwilling to understand others and how they DEFINE life.
You believe solely in those limitations. I believe that Jesus is the Son of God, not juat a mere man nor an angel, but is a King of Kings and the Lord of All.
Your stuck on 5 again bod, lets get back to level 10.
Are you saying that God cannot give prophecy?
Does he not know it all?God made us perfectly at first, we are the ones who ruined it.
I didnt say you ne
ver loved God.
Dont get emotional and tear up on me bod.You love God, because God loved you first,
You love God because God drew you in.God attracted you.
Its easy to say that we love God, but love is not defined by words nor by reptition, but by ACTION and Truth.
And since we are a SINFUl people, it would be a lie to say that we have loved in with all our MIGHT through out every single circumstance in our lives.
it would be a lie to say that we never ONCE doubted, that we never ONCED failed, not that we never sinned.
All these actions tell us otherwise.
Many love to reach Paradise, they just dont want to see God there.Believe it or not, You love God because of God, not because of yourself.
none of us are worthy.
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 17 2010,18:44) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 16 2010,04:41) Dude, Bod,
We broke that image as soon as we chose to say NO.
In other words Bod, we were disobediant to God.
He gave a command and YET Adam sinned,You say the image was broken but that's not what the scripture says:
Then the LORD God said, “Behold, the man has become like one of Us, to know good and evil. And now, lest he put out his hand and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live forever”—
Genesis 3:21-23Quote So the truth is, Adam said No, and he BROKE the IMAGE that God gave us. WE were created in the LIKENESS of his Image, and than we broke whatever BOND we had with God.
The Tree that Adam and Eve ate from brought spiritual death.
A seperation between God and Man.Where are you getting this stuff from, The term spiritual death is not scriptural nor would it make sense. Noah was called righteous i.e. not a sinner. Job was called perfect and upright i.e. not a sinner
Quote Dont try to back me in a corner and try to MAKE me state that i am a Muslim. I AM certainly not a Muslim.
You cant force any classfication on me based SOLELY on your interpretation.Then you do not have the freedom in Christ you claim to have, if you shirk from the wordly view and do not grab on to the spiritual reality, either you are a Submitter or not and if you are any person with the arabic language is going to call you Muslim. Do you think Jesus spoke in english or Aramaic and Hebrew? Example Hebrew uses Shalom Arabic Salaam
Quote Im not only a submitter, I follow Jesus, All i want to do in my life is to pick up that Cross and Follow him. Then you are a Muslim
Quote A Follower of Christ, Thats what i am. A Christian Muslim
Quote People say they are catholic all the TIME, but doesnt mean they know what that actually means.
People say they are Christans all the time, but they dont even know what that truely means,That's my point you say you're not a Muslim but you don't even know what that means
Quote You are assuming everyone is following the direct defintions of what they cliam to be, when its an illusion, an assumption. No, I am saying that people are often what they don't know they are.
Quote IF you want to understand people, first put away your think, and understand them instead of trying to force people into your interpretation. How can you expect people to understand you when your just as unwilling to understand others and how they DEFINE life. Of course I am willing to understand them
Quote You believe solely in those limitations. I believe that Jesus is the Son of God, not juat a mere man nor an angel, but is a King of Kings and the Lord of All. Yes, but not the Lord of God, God is above all and it is HE whom you must Submit to.
Quote Your stuck on 5 again bod, lets get back to level 10.
Are you saying that God cannot give prophecy?
Does he not know it all?Yes, HE does but Jesus doesn't/didn't
God cannot be a prophet a prophecy is the message that has been communicated to a prophet who can tell God what he does not know? Or who needs to inform God before HE informs us?
Quote God made us perfectly at first, we are the ones who ruined it. God made us with the capacity to sin so therefore we have not changed at all. If God willed HE could have made us incapable of disobedience so why is it you Judge God's creation? Is HE not Wise, Mighty and Capable of executing HIS plans?
Do you really believe we landed in struggle by accident?
Be sure we shall test you with something of fear and hunger, some loss in goods or lives or the fruits (of your toil), but give glad tidings to those who patiently persevere,
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #155)Quote I didnt say you never loved God.
Dont get emotional and tear up on me bod.You love God, because God loved you first,
You love God because God drew you in.The scripture says DRAW NEAR to GOD and HE will draw near to you. It doesn't matter if HE drew me in or I pursued HIM the Fact is the Love is there
Quote God attracted you. That doesn't matter God also created me
Quote Its easy to say that we love God, but love is not defined by words nor by reptition, but by ACTION and Truth. Actually that might not be as easy as you think I talk to many people who find it hard to say that they love God or that God loves them
Quote And since we are a SINFUl people, it would be a lie to say that we have loved
in with all our MIGHT through out every single circumstance in our lives.We are not all sinful people Jesus already made that clear, there were righteous people already here and always have been here they were not sinful, God called the RIGHTEOUS and Jesus said he did not come to call the RIGHTEOUS but Sinners to repentance. Why do you not believe God when he says someone is righteous?
Matthew 10:40-42 (New King James Version)
40 “He who receives you receives Me, and he who receives Me receives Him who sent Me. 41 He who receives a prophet in the name of a prophet shall receive a prophet’s reward. And he who receives a righteous man in the name of a righteous man shall receive a righteous man’s reward. 42 And whoever gives one of these little ones only a cup of cold water in the name of a disciple, assuredly, I say to you, he shall by no means lose his reward
Quote it would be a lie to say that we never ONCE doubted, that we never ONCED failed, not that we never sinned. Sin is not the destructive force, the inability to repent is. God does not care about your sins they only hurt you not HIM but if you have learned and become perfected through supplication you have then learned a great thing FAITH. Did you not understand this parable:
Luke 15:11-32 (King James Version)
11And he said, A certain man had two sons:
12And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.
13And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.
14And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.
15And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.
16And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.
17And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!
18I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,
19And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.
20And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.
21And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.
22But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:
23And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:
24For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.
25Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing.
26And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.
27And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.
28And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him.
29And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:
30But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.
31And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.
32It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.
When you understand this Parable you will understand what I have been saying
Quote All these actions tell us otherwise.
Many love to reach Paradise, they just dont want to see God there.Believe it or not, You love God because of God, not because of yourself.
Did God not put in me the ability to think? I love God because of Myself because my sense could not perceive God and therefore I projected My love to know God and hE returned HIS Love and I felt HIS presence and I have been like a well fed plant ever since soaking up The Glory of GOD basking in HIS sunshine and drinking from HIS ocean of love. I don't just “believe” God exists I BELIEVE GOD and I KNOW GOD exists and I KNOW GOD
Quote none of us are worthy. All of us are PRICELESS
Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 15 2010,05:16) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 14 2010,19:30)
Yes, I have
You said you love God naturally,
Thats untrue,Its not becuase you loved God, that you love,
Its because God loved you FIRST and than you love him back.The only reason you love your parents is because of God,
Love comes directly from God, and the only reason that you love is becaues of him.
And since we can easily fail to love perfectly as he love us,
than we all fall short.Since we sin and we love to sin, and we dont repent
we choose one over another.God knew that we would sin, thats why he found a way to redeem us from our own self destruction.
You can only love God because he loved you first.
and because we also love the world we cannot love both.In the end we sin, and we fail and we are imperfect,
but we can be perfected in the love of God.
Wouldnt it be strange if it was the other way around…We loved God first, and had to TRY to get God to love us…but God loved us first, good post there,Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 18 2010,21:29) Quote (SimplyForgiven @ Sep. 15 2010,05:16) Quote (bodhitharta @ Sep. 14 2010,19:30)
Yes, I have
You said you love God naturally,
Thats untrue,Its not becuase you loved God, that you love,
Its because God loved you FIRST and than you love him back.The only reason you love your parents is because of God,
Love comes directly from God, and the only reason that you love is becaues of him.
And since we can easily fail to love perfectly as he love us,
than we all fall short.Since we sin and we love to sin, and we dont repent
we choose one over another.God knew that we would sin, thats why he found a way to redeem us from our own self destruction.
You can only love God because he loved you first.
and because we also love the world we cannot love both.In the end we sin, and we fail and we are imperfect,
but we can be perfected in the love of God.
Wouldnt it be strange if it was the other way around…We loved God first, and had to TRY to get God to love us…but God loved us first, good post there,
The problem with the line of thought here is if someone does not know God loves them they will have to take the action to Love God before they are aware of God loving them. Go ask Stu does he believe that God loves him.Stuart is put off believing, one reason is what he sees even here, one day it will happen. In God's time.
Quote (shimmer @ Sep. 19 2010,18:19) Stuart is put off believing, one reason is what he sees even here, one day it will happen. In God's time.
Then he is not aware that God loves him.It's so sweet to see you both talking as if your Imaginary Friends actually exist.
I prefer the reality that has no time for such childish human intrigues. But you carry on, now. Don't let reality put you off!
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 19 2010,22:14) It's so sweet to see you both talking as if your Imaginary Friends actually exist. I prefer the reality that has no time for such childish human intrigues. But you carry on, now. Don't let reality put you off!
Stuart
What is reality?If it is only what you can sense then how is it you can know that we are not sensing something just because you are not? If a person is blind should they believe that there is nothing to see or if they are deaf should they believe there is nothing to hear?
Quote (Stu @ Sep. 19 2010,22:14) It's so sweet to see you both talking as if your Imaginary Friends actually exist. I prefer the reality that has no time for such childish human intrigues. But you carry on, now. Don't let reality put you off!
Stuart
Hi Stuart,I have illustrated to you the proof of God's existence,
you're the one who's put off by the reality of what is!God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
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