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Hi TT,
Rather than always concentrating on theory why not come to the Son of God and find salvation?
You would then get to know WHO God and His son are and fellowship with them.Quote (david @ Mar. 03 2010,11:56) Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 03 2010,11:35) I am back for a little while tonight. TO DAVID:
The Messenger of Jehovah who saved the people out of Egypt (Numbers 20:16) is called “Jehovah” by Jehovah Himself:
20 “Behold, I send a Messenger before you to keep you in the way and to bring you into the place which I have prepared. 21 Beware of Him and obey His voice; do not provoke Him, for He will not pardon your transgressions; for My name is in Him. 22 But if you indeed obey His voice and do all that I speak, then I will be an enemy to your enemies and an adversary to your adversaries. 23 For My Messenger will go before you and bring you in to the Amorites and the Hittites and the Perizzites and the Canaanites and the Hivites and the Jebusites; and I will cut them off. 24 You shall not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do according to their works; but you shall utterly overthrow them and completely break down their sacred pillars.
25 “So you shall serve the LORD your God, and He will bless your bread and your water. And I will take sickness away from the midst of you.Note that the Messenger has Jehovah's name. Then Jehovah says “You shall serve Jehovah your God and HE shall bless….and I will take sickness away from you.”
thinker
ok?And?
Again, my argument:
The fact that Jehovah and Jesus are called savior, god, lord, king, etc, proves nothing IN ITSELF, since many others are called these things.
David,Readc my post again. Jehovah said that His Messenger is “Jehovah your God.”
20 “Behold, I send a Messenger before you to keep you in the way and to bring you into the place which I have prepared. 21 Beware of Him and obey His voice; do not provoke Him, for He will not pardon your transgressions; for My name is in Him. 22 But if you indeed obey His voice and do all that I speak, then I will be an enemy to your enemies and an adversary to your adversaries. 23 For My Messenger will go before you and bring you in to the Amorites and the Hittites and the Perizzites and the Canaanites and the Hivites and the Jebusites; and I will cut them off. 24 You shall not bow down to their gods, nor serve them, nor do according to their works; but you shall utterly overthrow them and completely break down their sacred pillars.
25 “So you shall serve the LORD your God, and He will bless your bread and your water. And I will take sickness away from the midst of you.Note that the Messenger has Jehovah's name. Then Jehovah says “You shall serve Jehovah your God and HE shall bless….and I will take sickness away from you.”
How many men or angels did Jehovah call “Jehovah your God?”
thinker
Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 04 2010,09:07) Hi TT,
Many angels spoke for, even as YHWH, without being Him.
God uses vessels.
Nick,Do you have a reading comprehension problem or something? The Messenger is not speaking for Jehovah. He is not speaking at all. It is Jehovah Himself who is speaking and He calls His Messenger “Jehovah your God.”
thinker
Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 04 2010,09:43) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 04 2010,09:07) Hi TT,
Many angels spoke for, even as YHWH, without being Him.
God uses vessels.
Nick,Do you have a reading comprehension problem or something? The Messenger is not speaking for Jehovah. He is not speaking at all. It is Jehovah Himself who is speaking and He calls His Messenger “Jehovah your God.”
thinker
thinkerJhn 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
This is Jesus talking, do you know what “ANY TIME” means, it means “NEVER”, ever, at any time, at no time, not in your dreams.
But, of course, if this scripture is missing in your Bible, how could you know, so you are forgiven for your ignorance.Georg
Quote (Elizabeth @ Mar. 04 2010,11:35) Quote (thethinker @ Mar. 04 2010,09:43) Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 04 2010,09:07) Hi TT,
Many angels spoke for, even as YHWH, without being Him.
God uses vessels.
Nick,Do you have a reading comprehension problem or something? The Messenger is not speaking for Jehovah. He is not speaking at all. It is Jehovah Himself who is speaking and He calls His Messenger “Jehovah your God.”
thinker
thinkerJhn 5:37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
This is Jesus talking, do you know what “ANY TIME” means, it means “NEVER”, ever, at any time, at no time, not in your dreams.
But, of course, if this scripture is missing in your Bible, how could you know, so you are forgiven for your ignorance.Georg
Georg,I agree with you that they had never seen the Father's form. Trinitarians do not believe that Jesus was the Father. So what's your point? You ignore that Jesus did not include Himself in that statement. He had seen the Father's form for He came from the Father's bosom (John 1:18). So Christ's existence was never outside the being of God.
Jehovah Himself said that His Messenger was “Jehovah your God” (Exodus 23:20-25). That Messenger had appeared to Moses in the burning bush and said of Himself, “I am the God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob” (Exodus 3:1-6).
I agree with scripture and you don't.
thinker
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