Millennium

[kenrch]

Quote (Laurel @ July 27 2007,01:10)

Rev.20:1-5 Says, for the 1,000 years that all those who have eternal life live in heaven for 1,000 years. At this time, Satan will be locked up for the same 1,000 years. There are still the dead who in the grave have not been judged. And it is “my” understanding that there will be peoples still alive who are against Elohim, for that same 1,000 year period. Rev. 20:5 was written to be revealed at a later time. The first resurection here is separate from the sentence before it. At first glance it looks as if they are together, but is actually discribing those in 20:4. The first sentence of 20:5 is those who are not saved, who were not a part of the first ressurection. The words “lived not again” are confusing. They mean “to wake up”, they will then wake up to judgement and see all that they will never have, which is eternal life. Y'shua explains how they will react when they see heaven and there is a big ravine between them and the saved. Read Messiah's Words in Luke 16:19-31.  He tells us how this time will be.

This is the first resurrection?

1Th 4:15  For this we declare to you by a word from the Lord, that we who are alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep.
1Th 4:16  For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
1Th 4:17  Then we who are alive, who are left, will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we will always be with the Lord.

Rev 20:5  The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended. This is the second resurrection.

What do those of the first resurrection do during the thousand years?

Rev 20:7  And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison
Rev 20:8  and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.

After the thousand years when Satan was bound up NOT to deceive the nations IS realeased to once again deceive the nations.

[Laurel]

Those who are ressurected will be in heaven for 1,000 years.

Then, when the 1,000 years ends, Satan will be released on earth to decieve the nations of them who did not partake of the first ressurection. Those people will suffer and be judged.

You do not want to be here in those days!!! Read Luke 16:19-31

[Laurel]

Those are the days of Armegeddon.

[NickHassan]

Quote (Laurel @ July 27 2007,02:41)

Those who are ressurected will be in heaven for 1,000 years. Then, when the 1,000 years ends, Satan will be released on earth to decieve the nations of them who did not partake of the first ressurection. Those people will suffer and be judged. You do not want to be here in those days!!! Read Luke 16:19-31

Hi Laurel,
Not so.
The millenial kingdom is on earth.
There is no resurrection to heaven in scripture.
We rise to meet with Christ in the air as he comes back to earth.

We are to be kings and rulers on earth.
The meek shall inherit the earth.
Christ will rule in the seat of David and his servants are given charge over cities.[Lk 19]

[Laurel]

Nick,
For someone who only studies only part of Scripture you sure seem to know everything.

[Not3in1]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 27 2007,06:15)

Quote (Laurel @ July 27 2007,02:41) Those who are ressurected will be in heaven for 1,000 years. Then, when the 1,000 years ends, Satan will be released on earth to decieve the nations of them who did not partake of the first ressurection. Those people will suffer and be judged. You do not want to be here in those days!!! Read Luke 16:19-31 Hi Laurel, Not so. The millenial kingdom is on earth. There is no resurrection to heaven in scripture. We rise to meet with Christ in the air as he comes back to earth. We are to be kings and rulers on earth. The meek shall inherit the earth. Christ will rule in the seat of David and his servants are given charge over cities.[Lk 19]

Amen. This is my understanding as well.

[NickHassan]

Hi,
There is much about the rule of God through Christ in Scripture.
Some suggestions to start with.
Psalm 47:8
God reigneth over the heathen: God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness.
Psalm 93:1
The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.
Psalm 96:10
Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.
Psalm 97:1
The LORD reigneth; let the earth rejoice; let the multitude of isles be glad thereof.
Psalm 146:10
The LORD shall reign for ever, even thy God, O Zion, unto all generations. Praise ye the LORD.
Isaiah 24:23
Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously.
Isaiah 32:1
Behold, a king shall reign in righteousness, and princes shall rule in judgment.
Isaiah 52:7
How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!
Jeremiah 23:5
Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
Luke 19:14
But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us.
Luke 19:27
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
Romans 15:12
And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust
2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
Revelation 5:10
And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.
Revelation 11:15
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

[Laurel]

Scripture says if you hear that the Messiah is here or there do not believe it. Scripture says we will meet Him in the air. PERIOD
That says to me that you are both wrong. Just like in the days of Sodom and Gamorah when Lot's wife looked back, those who look upon this anti-christ will be decieved.
Do not be decieved.

[kenrch]

Quote (Not3in1 @ July 27 2007,17:26)

Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 27 2007,06:15) Quote (Laurel @ July 27 2007,02:41) Those who are ressurected will be in heaven for 1,000 years. Then, when the 1,000 years ends, Satan will be released on earth to decieve the nations of them who did not partake of the first ressurection. Those people will suffer and be judged. You do not want to be here in those days!!! Read Luke 16:19-31 Hi Laurel, Not so. The millenial kingdom is on earth. There is no resurrection to heaven in scripture. We rise to meet with Christ in the air as he comes back to earth. We are to be kings and rulers on earth. The meek shall inherit the earth. Christ will rule in the seat of David and his servants are given charge over cities.[Lk 19] Amen.  This is my understanding as well.

I know that's what we were taught but is there scripture that says the Lord decends wuth those who are resurrected?

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Those of the first resurrection reign with Christ. Where on earth?

Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Rev 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Rev 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Those of the second resurrection are still on earth while those of the first resurrection are reigning with Christ in heaven.

“Seems” right but is it?

[Laurel]

After 1,000 years in heaven Satan is loosed for a short time and decieves those nations who are still on the earth who were not part of the first ressurection.
Armegeddon will occur. The battle of good vs. evil.
Read Jer. 50:22-46
Rev 15:2 And2532 I saw1492 as it were5613 a sea2281 of glass5193 mingled3396 with fire:4442 and2532 them that had gotten the victory3528 over1537 the3588 beast,2342 and2532 over1537 his848 image,1504 and2532 over1537 his848 mark,5480 and over1537 the3588 number706 of his848 name,3686 stand2476 on1909 the3588 sea2281 of glass,5193 having2192 the harps2788 of God.2316
Rev 15:3 And2532 they sing103 the3588 song5603 of Moses3475 the3588 servant1401 of God,2316 and2532 the3588 song5603 of the3588 Lamb,721 saying,3004 Great3173 and2532 marvelous2298 are thy4675 works,2041 Lord2962 God2316 Almighty;3841 just1342 and2532 true228 are thy4675 ways,3598 thou King935 of saints.40
The verses above show that those who are in heaven for the 1,000 years celebrate Elohim's victory over Satan.
Revelations is not one continous story, it it the same story over and over again, told from different perspectives, and if you don't read carefully, it's hard to tell where one ends, and begins to repeat in another view.

[Laurel]

Those who are a part of the second ressurection are those who will be judged, who are deceived by Satan and do not have their names written in the book of life.

[NickHassan]

Hi Laurel,
So this is the second resurrection and the judgement
Mt 25
“31When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

32And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

33And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

34Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

35For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

36Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

39Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

40And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

41Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

42For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

43I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

44Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

45Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

46And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Seems still to be some sheep found among the goats?

[Laurel]

The ones saved who were in heaven for 1,000 years are there with Him when judgement comes to them who are not saved. Those who are judged to the second death will see those who are saved, see where they are and know what they will never have.

[NickHassan]

Hi Laurel,
Christ reigns on earth in the seat of David for 1000 years.
Where does it say he reigns in heaven?
Jesus comes from heaven to reign on earth
Where does it say there are men in heaven?
Where does it say the judged as sinners will see the saved?

[Laurel]

#1 Rev. 20:4, Rev 20:6, Psalm 11:4 and Heb. 1:13
#2 Rev. 15:2, Matt. 22:30, and Luke 20:36 and Psalm 91:8
#3 Luke 16:23-26 and Psalm 112:10

[Laurel]

Rev 21:1 And2532 I saw1492 a new2537 heaven3772 and2532 a new2537 earth:1093 for1063 the3588 first4413 heaven3772 and2532 the3588 first4413 earth1093 were passed away;3928 and2532 there was2076 no3756 more2089 sea.2281

By this verse, I have to ask, where do you think the saved reside when the old earth is destroyed?

[942767]

Quote (Laurel @ July 24 2007,10:41)

Hi Laurel: 942767 said, “If I am understanding correctly, based on the following scripture, the millenium or 1000 year reign with Christ will not occur until after the first resurrection.” I'm preety sure Y'shua was ressurected once already. Yes, I'm being sarcastic here. What do you mean the first ressurection? To me itis plain, Y'shua was the first ressurection and the firstfruits.

Hi Laurel:

You say:

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I'm preety sure Y'shua was ressurected once already. Yes, I'm being sarcastic here. What do you mean the first ressurection? To me itis plain, Y'shua was the first ressurection and the firstfruits.

I am offended by your response.  Why do you have to be sarcastic?  The first resurrection to which I referred is that which is stated by Rev. 20:5 which in your following posts you have discussed.  When do you say the millenial reign is to begin?  Or, are you saying that it has already begun?  

I believe that what people refer to the millenial reign is the 1000 year period when the church will be with the Lord.  Please correct me if I am wrong .

God Bless

[NickHassan]

Quote (Laurel @ July 29 2007,02:22)

Rev 21:1  And2532 I saw1492 a new2537 heaven3772 and2532 a new2537 earth:1093 for1063 the3588 first4413 heaven3772 and2532 the3588 first4413 earth1093 were passed away;3928 and2532 there was2076 no3756 more2089 sea.2281 By this verse, I have to ask, where do you think the saved reside when the old earth is destroyed?

Hi Laurel,
Should we make assumptions and teach them as truth?

[NickHassan]

Hi L,
You offer
“#3 Luke 16:23-26 and Psalm 112:10 “
Lk 16 speaks of Hades not the lake of fire.
Hades is thrown into the lake of fire.[Rev 20.14]

In the millenial kingdom indeed the sons of God will be like to asexual angels having also an imperishable body[1Cor15]

The sea of Glass is not said to be in heaven.

Rev 20 describes that kingdom on earth, not in heaven. Note the first verse about the angel coming OUT OF HEAVEN.

The throne of the Lord God is in heaven. Heaven is His throne and earth His footstool. But Rev 21 shows that God comes and dwells on earth in Rev 21.

The fate of the lost is seen in one way by the saved as shown in Is 65.

[Laurel]

7,
We are in the 7th mellinium now. The 1,000 years with Y'shua will be after the first ressurection of the dead in Him, upon His return.
The 7th millenium and the 1,000 years are separate. Although they are sepatate you can be sure that the last thousand year period of earth as we know it is now.

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