Michael nor Jesus

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  • #46000
    Phoenix
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    Quote (Is 1:18 @ Mar. 24 2007,20:50)
    Yeshua = Creator
    Michael = Created

    One cannot be the other…..


    Bleh Of course you would think that. No wonder I didnt understand

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    #46001
    Is 1:18
    Participant

    To be honest Phoenix, I don't think i'm alone in seeing that paradoxical contradiction in the Watchtower assertion that Jesus is MTA incarnate. If Yeshua really was the maker of ALL things (as John 1:3 and Col 1:16 affirm), He then is precluded from being a created “thing”. Therefore He cannot be Michael.

    #46002
    Phoenix
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 24 2007,20:44)
    Hi P,
    Christ is the firstborn monogenes Son.
    He was before all things with God in the beginning.
    Angels are created beings-created by God[the Father]-through the Son.

    Heb 1-2 contrasts him with the angels which includes Michael.


    Hi Nick

    Where did you get the word Monogenes from because LOL I did a dictionary search and the first reference was “libido enhancer” ???

    Anyway, I am beginning to see what you mean now.

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    #46003
    Phoenix
    Participant

    Quote (Is 1:18 @ Mar. 24 2007,21:06)
    To be honest Phoenix, I don't think i'm alone in seeing that paradoxical contradiction in the Watchtower assertion that Jesus is MTA incarnate. If Yeshua really was the maker of ALL things (as John 1:3 and Col 1:16 affirm), He then is precluded from being a created “thing”. Therefore He cannot be Michael.


    Hi Is

    Thankyou. Yes I am starting to see that now.

    Hugs
    Phoenix

    #46010

    Quote (Phoenix @ Mar. 24 2007,21:07)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 24 2007,20:44)
    Hi P,
    Christ is the firstborn monogenes Son.
    He was before all things with God in the beginning.
    Angels are created beings-created by God[the Father]-through the Son.

    Heb 1-2 contrasts him with the angels which includes Michael.


    Hi Nick

    Where did you get the word Monogenes from because LOL I did a dictionary search and the first reference was “libido enhancer”  ???

    Anyway, I am beginning to see what you mean now.

    Hugs


    p

    The word “Monogenes” is the Greek word for Begotten!

    Monogenes simply means “Unique”.

    :)

    #46012
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi w,
    What do you base this simplistic deduction on?

    #46017
    Phoenix
    Participant

    Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Mar. 24 2007,22:49)

    Quote (Phoenix @ Mar. 24 2007,21:07)

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ Mar. 24 2007,20:44)
    Hi P,
    Christ is the firstborn monogenes Son.
    He was before all things with God in the beginning.
    Angels are created beings-created by God[the Father]-through the Son.

    Heb 1-2 contrasts him with the angels which includes Michael.


    Hi Nick

    Where did you get the word Monogenes from because LOL I did a dictionary search and the first reference was “libido enhancer”  ???

    Anyway, I am beginning to see what you mean now.

    Hugs


    p

    The word “Monogenes” is the Greek word for Begotten!

    Monogenes simply means “Unique”.

    :)


    LOL Whew!! thank you

    Hugs

    #46018
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi W,
    God sent His UNIQUE son into the world.
    So he is not the God Who sent him.

    #46055
    Is 1:18
    Participant

    The Logos became a Son (Luke 1:35, Hebrews 1:5, Romans 1:4, Acts 13:33).

    :)

    #46065
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi Is 1.18,
    The monogenes son was sent into the world.[1Jn 4]

    #47058
    Not3in1
    Participant

    The term “sent” seems to add to your affirmation of pre-existence; am I correct? In other words, I've heard it said before that you have to actually exist before some one can actually “send” you. I beg to differ with you. If God is in heaven, and we are on the earth, then in order for him to “give” a Son to us (on earth), he would have to “send” himself in the form of a seed to the earth (to join with Mary's egg and make a Son). Thus, he “sent” his Son (his seed) into the earth. Because before this “sending” of his seed (Son), the Son existed with God (and in God, as God).

    Just as your seed remains in you, Nick. So Jesus remained in God. Just as your (potential) seed is you. So Jesus (the potential seed) remained as God. John 1:1.

    But that potential seed is NOT a person yet……. Your sperm is nothing without an egg (sorry guys).

    Just a little bit of a rambling before bedtime :)

    #47069
    Phoenix
    Participant

    LOL good point about the sperm.

    #47114
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (Not3in1 @ April 02 2007,08:08)
    The term “sent” seems to add to your affirmation of pre-existence; am I correct?  In other words, I've heard it said before that you have to actually exist before some one can actually “send” you.  I beg to differ with you.  If God is in heaven, and we are on the earth, then in order for him to “give” a Son to us (on earth), he would have to “send” himself in the form of a seed to the earth (to join with Mary's egg and make a Son).  Thus, he “sent” his Son (his seed) into the earth.  Because before this “sending” of his seed (Son), the Son existed with God (and in God, as God).

    Just as your seed remains in you, Nick.  So Jesus remained in God.  Just as your (potential) seed is you.  So Jesus (the potential seed) remained as God.  John 1:1.

    But that potential seed is NOT a person yet…….  Your sperm is nothing without an egg (sorry guys).

    Just a little bit of a rambling before bedtime :)


    Hi Not 3
    Rom 8
    3For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh

    #47137
    Not3in1
    Participant

    Nick,
    Are you tempted to think that because Romans 8 says, “….in the likeness of sinful flesh…..” that he wasn't really a TRUE man? But just “took on” flesh?

    #47140
    Not3in1
    Participant

    David – thank you for the PM and for the extensive information regarding Michael/Jesus. I will print it off, and give it some thought over the next few weeks. I'm glad to know that I have a resource here (in you), to better understand the JW's. As I said before, these two ladies that come to my door have become dear friends. They have invited me to come tonight to the Memorial of Christ's death.

    #47143
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Quote (Not3in1 @ April 02 2007,18:56)
    Nick,
    Are you tempted to think that because Romans 8 says, “….in the likeness of sinful flesh…..” that he wasn't really a TRUE man?  But just “took on” flesh?


    Hi not3,
    Jesus partook of flesh
    and
    was a true man-body, soul, spirit.

    #47152
    david
    Participant

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    David – thank you for the PM and for the extensive information regarding Michael/Jesus. I will print it off, and give it some thought over the next few weeks. I'm glad to know that I have a resource here (in you), to better understand the JW's. As I said before, these two ladies that come to my door have become dear friends. They have invited me to come tonight to the Memorial of Christ's death.

    I'm sorry it is somewhat in an unorganized state right now, with overlapping information. I haven't visited that file for a while. Regarding the invite you got, you should come, if for nothing else, that you have become “dear friends” with these ones. But of course, it is the one and only thing that Jesus instituted for his followers to observe.

    Regarding that invitation which is being given out to everyone,
    Not3in1, for you:

    http://www.myfoxcleveland.com/myfox….d=3.2.1

    #47155
    Phoenix
    Participant

    Oh sheesh I forgot about the memorial. It was Last Nite for me. But now that i think about it I wouldnt have been able to go due to the TV programs that were on

    #47157
    david
    Participant

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    Oh sheesh I forgot about the memorial. It was Last Nite for me. But now that i think about it I wouldnt have been able to go due to the TV programs that were on

    Is that supposed to be funny?

    #47159
    Phoenix
    Participant

    huh?

    NO! I was serious!

    I really was intending to go to the memorial because the JW's dropped off a pamphlet last weekend.

    hmmm

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