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Quote Hi WJ: Since all scripture is inspired by God (2 Tim. 3:16), I don't need to tell God anything about that which He has already spoken.
Again, “For there is ONE GOD, and ONE MEDIATOR between god and man, THE MAN CHRIST JESUS”. (1 Ti 2:5) He, God says, THE MAN CHRIST JESUS, and not me.
Hebrews 1:8-9 states: “But unto the SON he saith, thy throne O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. (Why does the ONE GOD call Jesus God?) I believe it is because: verse 9 states: “Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity, therefore, God, EVEN THY GOD (God talking to Jesus), hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above THY FELLOWS(meaning I suppose all of mankind including all of the adopted sons of God).
Hebrews 1:1-3 states: “GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in times past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken to us by HIS SON, who he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds; WHO BEING THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS GLORY, AND THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON (He is God in this context), WHEN HE HAD BY HIMSELF PURGED OUR SINS, SAT DOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND OF THE MAJESTY ON HIGH”.
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Scipture has to be taken as a whole.
If there are scriptures that emphaticlly call Jesus more than just the mediator, which surely he is, you should view the scriptures as a whole and not just use a proof text to support a doctrine.
Isa 43:11
I, even I, am the LORD; and **beside me** there is no saviour.Jn 1:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made
that was made.Jude 1:25
To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.I Jn 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Hi W,
Are you looking at the whole or have you not just denied the fact of Christ being a MEDIATOR by adding the other comments?
We must resolve scriptures, not pick and choose, once we have established their veracity.What is a MEDIATOR?
It is someone who comes between TWO hostile parties who can no longer communicate usefully with each other and who attempts, by mutual discussions, to reach an acceptable place of resolution in a dispute. The MEDIATOR must be able to hear both parties and understand the grievances and communicate with both separately and then bring them together to end a dispute fairly. The MEDIATOR must be of similar nature and be on reasonable terms with both parties. The MEDIATOR must be respected but cannot be aligned completely with either party to be independant. He makes peace and restores the possibility of good relations between the parties.The SON of GOD cannot be our God to fulfill this role.
Quote Hi W,
Are you looking at the whole or have you not just denied the fact of Christ being a MEDIATOR by adding the other comments?
We must resolve scriptures, not pick and choose, once we have established their veracity.What is a MEDIATOR?
It is someone who comes between TWO hostile parties who can no longer communicate usefully with each other and who attempts, by mutual discussions, to reach an acceptable place of resolution in a dispute. The MEDIATOR must be able to hear both parties and understand the grievances and communicate with both separately and then bring them together to end a dispute fairly. The MEDIATOR must be of similar nature and be on reasonable terms with both parties. The MEDIATOR must be respected but cannot be aligned completely with either party to be independant. He makes peace and restores the possibility of good relations between the parties.The SON of GOD cannot be our God to fulfill this role.
NH
The mediator is the savior.
Isa 43:11
I, even I, am the LORD; and **beside me** there is no saviour.Jn 1:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made
that was made.Jude 1:25
To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.I Jn 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.You simply say Im wrong. So why dont you take the scriptures I post and show me your interpretation and how I am mistranslating them?
Hi w,
The MEDIATOR remains a MEDIATOR
He has other roles but he did not mediate on his own behalf
How fair would that be?
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Hebrews 8:6
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Hebrews 9:15
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Hebrews 12:24
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.A mediator is between TWO others
Galatians 3:20
Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.Quote Hi w,
The MEDIATOR remains a MEDIATOR
He has other roles but he did not mediate on his own behalf
How fair would that be?
1 Timothy 2:5
For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Hebrews 8:6
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.
Hebrews 9:15
And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Hebrews 12:24
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.A mediator is between TWO others
Galatians 3:20
Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.NH
Why dodge the scriptures I give?
Explain them Please.
The mediator is the savior.
Isa 43:11
I, even I, am the LORD; and **beside me** there is no saviour.Jn 1:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made
that was made.Jude 1:25
To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.I Jn 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Quote Hi W,
God saves
Through the Saviour. Agency.NH
I dont see the word “agency” in the scriptures?
Inference?
Kinda like the word trinity Huh?
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 27 2006,17:17) Quote Hi WJ: Since all scripture is inspired by God (2 Tim. 3:16), I don't need to tell God anything about that which He has already spoken.
Again, “For there is ONE GOD, and ONE MEDIATOR between god and man, THE MAN CHRIST JESUS”. (1 Ti 2:5) He, God says, THE MAN CHRIST JESUS, and not me.
Hebrews 1:8-9 states: “But unto the SON he saith, thy throne O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. (Why does the ONE GOD call Jesus God?) I believe it is because: verse 9 states: “Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity, therefore, God, EVEN THY GOD (God talking to Jesus), hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above THY FELLOWS(meaning I suppose all of mankind including all of the adopted sons of God).
Hebrews 1:1-3 states: “GOD, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in times past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken to us by HIS SON, who he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds; WHO BEING THE BRIGHTNESS OF HIS GLORY, AND THE EXPRESS IMAGE OF HIS PERSON (He is God in this context), WHEN HE HAD BY HIMSELF PURGED OUR SINS, SAT DOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND OF THE MAJESTY ON HIGH”.
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Scipture has to be taken as a whole.
If there are scriptures that emphaticlly call Jesus more than just the mediator, which surely he is, you should view the scriptures as a whole and not just use a proof text to support a doctrine.
Isa 43:11
I, even I, am the LORD; and **beside me** there is no saviour.Jn 1:
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made
that was made.Jude 1:25
To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.I Jn 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.
Hi WJ:For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. (John 3:16)
The scripture in Isaiah that you quote is true. It is God who has saved us through our Lord Jesus, His only begotten Son and His Christ, and if God had not done this for us there would be no salvation.
“For there is ONE GOD and ONE MEDIATOR between God and man, the MAN CHRIST JESUS”. (1 Ti 2:5)
Quote Hi WJ: For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. (John 3:16)
The scripture in Isaiah that you quote is true. It is God who has saved us through our Lord Jesus, His only begotten Son and His Christ, and if God had not done this for us there would be no salvation.
“For there is ONE GOD and ONE MEDIATOR between God and man, the MAN CHRIST JESUS”. (1 Ti 2:5)
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True.
But lets look a little further…
Heb 10:
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Notice vs 10.By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Jesus the Word/God that was made flesh offered his **Body** as the living sacrifice.So Jesus is a man to be sure. But he is also Theos God in the flesh.
Some would confuse this to say that God died. Not so. Jesus the Eternal Spirit that was with the Father did not die. He laid down the natural life that he had as a man. His Body died.
Jam 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Jesus said destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it again!He was Speaking of his Body. The Spirit of Jesus that left his Body went to the center of the earth where he led capivity captive.
Matt 12:40
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.Eph 4
8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
Jesus truly is the mediator between God and man for without the shedding of Blood there is no remission of Sin. His Body was given as the Eternal Sacrifice. That is why he is also called the Lamb of God.So the scriptures are in harmony.
Isa 43:11
I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.Isa 45:21
Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.Lk 2:11
For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.I Tim 2:3
For this [is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;Tts 1:3
But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
Quote If there are scriptures that emphaticlly call Jesus more than just the mediator, which surely he is, you should view the scriptures as a whole and not just use a proof text to support a doctrine. By definition, a mediator cannot be one of the two parties that he mediates.
““For there is ONE GOD, and ONE MEDIATOR between god and man, THE MAN CHRIST JESUS”. (1 Ti 2:5) “
Quote By definition, a mediator cannot be one of the two parties that he mediates. “”For there is ONE GOD, and ONE MEDIATOR between god and man, THE MAN CHRIST JESUS”. (1 Ti 2:5) ”
David. You still dont get it do you. God took on human form, The Word/God.
Jesus humbled himself as a man to the Father, But Jesus Spirit in him is the Eternal life that was with the Father.
God/Word was in Jesus body reconcilling the world unto himself.
II Cor 5:
18 And all things [are] of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;
To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.How did God reconcile us? By Jesus the Word/God made flesh.
Do you mind if I call you Jean Luc?
Quote David. You still dont get it do you.
I'm not sure you get it. A mediator is someone who is not one of the two parties that they mediate between. If “God took on human form” as you say, and then “God” (Jesus) mediated between God and Christ's annointed followers, then by definition, he really shouldn't be called a mediator.
The fact that Jesus is a mediator between God and them is proof that Jesus is not one and the same as God Almighty.Let me try to make this into a picture:
God Jesus (mediator between two parties) Jesus brothers
A mediator is the one in the middle. The ones on either side can't be the mediator. A mediator is someone who acts as a link between two parties. (ie: isn't one of the parties himself)
I hope this helps.
Quote Do you mind if I call you Jean Luc? Quote
David. You still dont get it do you.I'm not sure you get it. A mediator is someone who is not one of the two parties that they mediate between. If “God took on human form” as you say, and then “God” (Jesus) mediated between God and Christ's annointed followers, then by definition, he really shouldn't be called a mediator.
The fact that Jesus is a mediator between God and them is proof that Jesus is not one and the same as God Almighty.Let me try to make this into a picture:
God Jesus (mediator between two parties) Jesus brothers
A mediator is the one in the middle. The ones on either side can't be the mediator. A mediator is someone who acts as a link between two parties. (ie: isn't one of the parties himself)
I hope this helps.
David
No it dosnt help me, It may help you!
If this is your opinion fine.
You have a good day!
Blessings
It's not my opinion. It's the opinion of the dictionary's of the world.
A mediator is not one of the parties that it mediates between.
There has on this forum been much confusion between Christ’s mission or “office” as Messiah and that of His substance which is The Eternal God.
When Christ was to leave heaven and was to take the form of a man He did not cease to be God. He simply put aside His own divine power and was dependent on God for power. This makes Him our example to follow because we too are to depend totally on God.
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
He had to overcome Satan while living as a man. Christ did not come to earth to show what a God can do, but what man can do when he depends on God for power. He succeeded where Adam failed.
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
A human body was fashioned for Christ. A body which had sinful propensities just like ours. A body less than what Adam had, weakened by the curse of sin.
Rom 8:3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Christ condemned sin in the flesh. He resisted sin. Don’t forget that He laid aside His divine power and did not use it for His own benefit, overcoming temptation relying on God for power. We too can resist temptation if we rely on God for power. Christ was our example.
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.Luk 4:2 (Jesus) Being forty days tempted of the devil.
Luk 4:12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.Who was being tempted here? Jesus; The Lord thy God.
1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
There are many instances in the scripture where Jesus calls the Father..His God and says the Father is greater than I. I always thought this was in reference to Jesus being a Man on earth. But you also have accounts of Jesus calling the Father His God after the resurection. He calls the Father His God when speaking to Mary and again in Revelations. (Rev 3:12) Why is Jesus still calling the Father His God? There is also a passage that says the head of Jesus is God. (1 Cor 11:3)
In many of these instances Jesus was encumbered with humanity or within the context of Him being the Messiah. Don’t forget that Christ is still ministering for us right now as our High Priest in the heavenly sanctuary. So His mission is not yet over.
Even within the Godhead each Divine Person recognise and have reverence for the other as God.
Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
Within the Godhead a plan was made for the salvation of man. It is evident that each divine Person within the Godhead takes on a different office or role. It is a pity that we too cannot learn to work together and to serve each other.
Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him (Jesus), My Lord and my God.
Jesus the LORD thy God.
Luk 4:2 (Jesus) Being forty days tempted of the devil.
Luk 4:12 And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.Who was being tempted here? Jesus; The Lord thy God.
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:This proves beyond doubt that the Son of man (Jesus) is the LORD thy God.
Jer 23:5-6 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch (Jesus), and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD (Yhovah)OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.Quote (WorshippingJesus @ Dec. 28 2006,01:08) Quote Hi WJ: For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. (John 3:16)
The scripture in Isaiah that you quote is true. It is God who has saved us through our Lord Jesus, His only begotten Son and His Christ, and if God had not done this for us there would be no salvation.
“For there is ONE GOD and ONE MEDIATOR between God and man, the MAN CHRIST JESUS”. (1 Ti 2:5)
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True.
But lets look a little further…
Heb 10:
7 Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
8 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
9 Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.
10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins:
12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
13 From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.
14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
15 Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us: for after that he had said before,
Notice vs 10.By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Jesus the Word/God that was made flesh offered his **Body** as the living sacrifice.So Jesus is a man to be sure. But he is also Theos God in the flesh.
Some would confuse this to say that God died. Not so. Jesus the Eternal Spirit that was with the Father did not die. He laid down the natural life that he had as a man. His Body died.
Jam 2:26
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
Jesus said destroy this temple and in three days I will raise it again!He was Speaking of his Body. The Spirit of Jesus that left his Body went to the center of the earth where he led capivity captive.
Matt 12:40
For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.Eph 4
8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
Jesus truly is the mediator between God and man for without the shedding of Blood there is no remission of Sin. His Body was given as the Eternal Sacrifice. That is why he is also called the Lamb of God.So the scriptures are in harmony.
Isa 43:11
I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.Isa 45:21
Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.Lk 2:11
For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord.I Tim 2:3
For this [is] good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;Tts 1:3
But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour;
Hi WJ:No, but you say One God, Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
And the following scriptures plainly state that there is One God period:
“For there is ONE GOD, and one mediator between God and man THE MAN CHRIST JESUS”. (1 Ti 2:5) Jesus is at the right hand of God as a mediator between God and man. He is shown here to be a man, and not God. Yes, he is the express image of God's person (Hebrews 1:3), and he is God in that sense.
“But to us there is ONE GOD, the Father, of whom are all things (God is the source of all things including Jesus who is His only begotten Son and His Christ (Matt. 16:13-17)), and one Lord Jesus Christ, by who are all things, and we by him”. (1 Co. 8:6)
“ONE GOD and Father of all, who is above all, (including Jesus), and through all, and in you all (all born again Christians)”. (Ephesians 4:6)
“And this is life eternal, that they might know thee THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent”. (John 17:3)
We don't need to look any further. The point that I am trying to establish is that there is but ONE GOD. The above scriptures plainly show that to be a fact.
Quote Hi WJ: No, but you say One God, Father, Son, Holy Spirit.
And the following scriptures plainly state that there is One God period:
“For there is ONE GOD, and one mediator between God and man THE MAN CHRIST JESUS”. (1 Ti 2:5) Jesus is at the right hand of God as a mediator between God and man. He is shown here to be a man, and not God. Yes, he is the express image of God's person (Hebrews 1:3), and he is God in that sense.
“But to us there is ONE GOD, the Father, of whom are all things (God is the source of all things including Jesus who is His only begotten Son and His Christ (Matt. 16:13-17)), and one Lord Jesus Christ, by who are all things, and we by him”. (1 Co. 8:6)
“ONE GOD and Father of all, who is above all, (including Jesus), and through all, and in you all (all born again Christians)”. (Ephesians 4:6)
“And this is life eternal, that they might know thee THE ONLY TRUE GOD, and Jesus Christ, whom thou has sent”. (John 17:3)
We don't need to look any further. The point that I am trying to establish is that there is but ONE GOD. The above scriptures plainly show that to be a fact.
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None of the scriptures you read deny the deity of Jesus. The Apostle Paul wanted it to be understood that Jesus and the Father were not the same persons, and that he was fully human, but also diety taking on human form.
Check it out how many times when the Father is mentioned Jesus is mentioned with him. Oneness in deity.
So throw out all of these text if you want.
However I believe them all.
I believe Jesus also was a man, born of a virgin, the miracle of incarnation.
How about you?
See I have recieved the scriptures you post that says Jesus is the Son.
Why dont you prove to me the scriptures I post deny that Christ is not God.
Jesus is God
Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily
Phi 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus
Phi 2:6 Who being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be equal with GodRom 9:5 Whose are the fathers and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came who is over all God blessed for ever Amen
Tit 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ
1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness God was manifest in the flesh
1Jo 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding that we may know him that is true and we are in him that is true even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord (Jesus), which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,..Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Heb 7:16 Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Mat 26:63 But Jesus held his peace. And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
Mat 26:64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
Mat 26:65 Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy;(The high priest understood Jesus’ claim to be God and wrongly accused Him of blasphemy.)
Blasphemy can only be committed against God.Mat 9:2 And, behold, they brought to him a man sick of the palsy, lying on a bed: and Jesus seeing their faith said unto the sick of the palsy; Son, be of good cheer; thy sins be forgiven thee.
Mat 9:3 And, behold, certain of the scribes said within themselves, This man blasphemeth. (They knew that only God can forgive sins.)
Mat 9:4 And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Col 1:15 (Christ) Who is the image of the invisible God,…
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;Heb 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
1Jo 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God(Jesus), and eternal life.
Isa 40:3 The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the LORD, make straight in the desert a highway for our God(Jesus).
Rev 22:13 I (Jesus) am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
Joh 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Heb 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
Heb 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
Col 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
Mat 9:6 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins, (then saith he to the sick of the palsy,) Arise, take up thy bed, and go unto thine house.
Mar 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said unto the sick of the palsy, Son, thy sins be forgiven thee.
Mar 2:6 But there were certain of the scribes sitting there, and reasoning in their hearts,
Mar 2:7 Why doth this man thus speak blasphemies? who can forgive sins but God only?Col 3:13 Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
Joh 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.
Rev 22:8 And I Joh
n saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.
Rev 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.
Joh 9:38 And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.
Mar 5:6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,
Mat 28:17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him:
Mat 15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
Mat 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.
Mat 8:2 And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him,.Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God (Theos).
Joh 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.Jer 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD (Yhovah)OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.Rev 2:23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
Mar 2:28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Exo 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God:1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Deu 32:3 Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.
Deu 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
1Sa 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
1Sa 2:2 There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.
Psa 78:35 And they remembered that God was their rock, and the high God their redeemer.1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
1Co 10:2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.2Ti 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
Mal 3:6 For I am the LORD (yhovah), I change not;
Heb 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
Joh 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
Joh 8:59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: (because Jesus claimed the name of God)Joh 10:9 I am the door:
Joh 10:11 I am the good shepherd:
Joh 11:25 … I am the resurrection,
Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:
Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?
Joh 15:1 I am the true vine,Joh 5:17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
Joh 5:18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
Joh 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.Acts 7:59, “And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”
Matt 28:18,19
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:Acts 20:28
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.Rom 8:
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.II Cor 3:
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple yeII Cor 13:5
Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?Tell me my friend.
Is your body the Temple of God?
Does God dwell in you?
Does the Spirit of God dwell in You?
Is Jesus Christ in you?
If you are saved the answer is yes to all three. Father,Son and Holy Ghost, divinely and Uniquely united as ONE.
Explain to me how Jesus Christ can be in you unless he is God.
Unless you are reprobate. Or do we resort to the force?
Blessings
Quote “ONE GOD and Father of all, who is above all, (including Jesus), and through all, and in you all (all born again Christians)”. (Ephesians 4:6) 94
Also the Father is not above Jesus, for Jesus is at the right hand of the Father, not above the Father but not below the Father. But at the right hand of power. For it **pleased** the Father that in him would dwell **ALL** the fullness of the Godhead Bodily.
**ALL** Power in heaven and earth is given to Jesus, and he is given a name which is above **ALL** Names.
Tell me 94. How can just a man hold all the power of God in him.
He is truly God, one with the Father and the Spirit.
I Jn 5:20
And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding that we may know him that is true and we are in him that is true even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life.
Glory be to him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb. Thou art worthy of honor and Glory and power and dominion, forever and ever. AMEN!Hi WJ:
The scriptures that I have quoted relative to there being ONE GOD do not have to be interpreted. The plainly state that there is ONE GOD. Also, God has plainly told us who Jesus is in Matthew 16:13-17 and that is that he is the Christ the Son of the living God. No interpretation of this scripture is needed either.
You say that there is ONE GOD, Father, Son, Holy Spirit. Your statement is an interpretation of the scriptures. God did not state this plainly as He has in the scriptures that I have given you. And if God wanted us to know and understand this the way that you do, He would have told us this through the scriptures, and you have admitted that you cannot show me a scripture that plainly states what you decalare to be the truth.
As for my salvation, God is the Father of my spirit, and I am subjected to Him through my Lord Jesus His Son and His Christ. I am looking forward to being with my Lord for an eternity. “After this I beheld, and lo, a great multitude, which not man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues stood before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation belongs to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb. And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces and worshipped God. Saying, Amen: blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen”. (Rev. 7:9-12)
When Jesus was about to ascend into heaven he spoke to Mary in John 20:17 saying, “Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but GO TO MY BRETHREN, and say unto them, I ascend unto MY FATHER and YOUR FATHER, and TO MY GOD, and YOUR GOD.
No interpretation is needed of this scripture either.
God Bless
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