Matthew 28:19–what does it prove?

[david]

Don't you hate it when you start a thread that you actually want to have a conversation in, and others use it to attack each other. (I would think those kinds of things would work nicely in the private messages.)
So, does mentioning 3, prove a trinity?

[david]

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I been trying to really refer to scriptures about the throne the holy spirit.   and just like you have said, Holy spirit doesnt need one, its in you. God never meant for man kind to be seperated from himself. The whole point is for God to be your everything, and that he is even inside you.

–SF

SF, is this the comment you refer to?

First, you bring up a good point.  The holy spirit is different, it doesn't need a throne.  Why would it?
Yes, holy spirit is something that can be in people.  Many times, God's holy spirit is said to be something that can be inside people, something we should ask/pray for, something that can help us and give us extra power, or strength, or ability to carry out God's will.  I think the holy spirit doesn't need a throne, because it's not a person.

I would like to look more at the scripture that refers to God being inside people.  I don't actually know which one it is.  Can you find it for me.  (Or can anyone else, doesn't matter who?)

[Arnold]

Quote (david @ May 24 2010,16:29)

Don't you hate it when you start a thread that you actually want to have a conversation in, and others use it to attack each other.  (I would think those kinds of things would work nicely in the private messages.) So, does mentioning 3, prove a trinity?

David! You know what is so odd about all of this… I belong to Face Book where I have been spending a lot of time lately, and people are so much nicer, then here on Heaven Net these days…. that to me is upsetting greatly…..I again have another users name, and that too is upsetting…. I would rather be myself…Irene

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (david @ May 24 2010,16:37)

Quote I been trying to really refer to scriptures about the throne the holy spirit.   and just like you have said, Holy spirit doesnt need one, its in you. God never meant for man kind to be seperated from himself. The whole point is for God to be your everything, and that he is even inside you. –SF SF, is this the comment you refer to? First, you bring up a good point.  The holy spirit is different, it doesn't need a throne.  Why would it? Yes, holy spirit is something that can be in people.  Many times, God's holy spirit is said to be something that can be inside people, something we should ask/pray for, something that can help us and give us extra power, or strength, or ability to carry out God's will.  I think the holy spirit doesn't need a throne, because it's not a person. I would like to look more at the scripture that refers to God being inside people.  I don't actually know which one it is.  Can you find it for me.  (Or can anyone else, doesn't matter who?)

Ya im talking about that comment.
Im reffering to Revelations where there will be no more shadow. And another scripture that i cant seem to find.
Another one Ephesians 4:6
One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. in referense to all. As in everything.
I have more scripture but like i said in the other post, i have been searching for it and i cant seem to find it.
Either way in revelations and in Isaiah presents the very idea that God will ask you to drink of eternal life, that you may forever abide with him, and him in you.
John 17 gives that same idea also.
Idk, im speculating at the moment because i am not dizzy. that last post drained me compelelty.
Tommorow, ill elaborate.
Oh and we are also Gods temple. thats another pointtttt…..
zzzz.zzz..zzZZZ.zzzz

[Worshipping Jesus]

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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 21 2010,07:41) Quote (david @ May 20 2010,00:42) “How does a non person “testify” of someone?”–thinker Are “The Blood” and “The Water” persons?  Yet, they are said to testify or to bear witness.  And they are in agreement.  Are they persons Thinker?  What do you think?  Is your logic sound?  Do you use personification every day like most humans? David This is weak indeed. Blood and water are inanimate objects and cannot move, speak, hear, understand, love, comfort, strengthen, give life, create, Etc. Etc. A dead dog testifys that it once lived!       Is that all you have? Find some inanimate objects or anything that can do the things that the Holy Spirit who has his own distinct identity does, and you might have a case. Otherwise you are stuck with the unambiguous proof that the Holy Spirit is a living person sent from the Father and Jesus! WJ WJ, Thinker asked a question that had FALSE LOGIC IN IT. I showed his false logic. So you attack me on other grounds. His logic was false. He asked how an inanimate thing can “testify.” Well, WJ, unless you consider water to be a person, then I have used a Bible example to prove his logic wrong.  And so you attack me for it? Quote This is weak indeed. Blood and water are inanimate objects and cannot move, speak, hear, understand, love, comfort, strengthen, give life, create BUT THEY APPARENTLY CAN “TESTIFY.”  AND THAT WAS THE QUESTION AT HAND, WASN'T IT?  (So attack me on something I am not arguing…good job!)  Can you at least use the word “personification”?  I know you understand this word, WJ.  You do understand this word? I think I shall act as you do for a while….

David

I do not see where there is an attack on you.

I attacked your implication for the verse as proof that the Holy Spirit is not a person because you have used that verse to support your theory.

You sure are defensive these days and touchy I might add!

WJ

[KangarooJack]

WorshippingJesus said to David:

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David I do not see where there is an attack on you. I attacked your implication for the verse as proof that the Holy Spirit is not a person because you have used that verse to support your theory. You sure are defensive these days and touchy I might add! WJ

Keith,

David is touchy because his arguments are weak.

btw, Has David answered the point that Jesus used the personal pronoun “ekeinos” in reference to the Spirit when He said “He (ekeinos) shall testify of Me” (John 14:26)?

I don't quite remember where that point was brought up.

Jack

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (david @ May 24 2010,00:37)

Quote I been trying to really refer to scriptures about the throne the holy spirit.   and just like you have said, Holy spirit doesnt need one, its in you. God never meant for man kind to be seperated from himself. The whole point is for God to be your everything, and that he is even inside you. –SF SF, is this the comment you refer to? First, you bring up a good point.  The holy spirit is different, it doesn't need a throne.  Why would it? Yes, holy spirit is something that can be in people.  Many times, God's holy spirit is said to be something that can be inside people, something we should ask/pray for, something that can help us and give us extra power, or strength, or ability to carry out God's will.  I think the holy spirit doesn't need a throne, because it's not a person. I would like to look more at the scripture that refers to God being inside people.  I don't actually know which one it is.  Can you find it for me.  (Or can anyone else, doesn't matter who?)

David

I bumped this post because it answers the God in you question. You didn't respond to it, why?

Quote (david @ May 14 2010,02:14)

Let's look at this in point form: POINT FORM: -The Bible doesn't say the holy spirit is God.

David

And none of the above negates that the Father and Jesus himself can do all those things and become all those things you speak of.

Are you saying God who is a Spirit cannot fill you?

Are you saying God is not referred to as a “Rock” a “shield” a “Buckler” a “Strong tower” a “fortress” a “hiding place” a “Keeper” Etc. Etc.

There are many impersonal metaphors ascribed to God. So what does your post prove?

God is Love, God is a fire, and can also fill us as scriptures clearly teach.

You completely ignore the many scriptures that speak of the acts of the Holy Spirit without the mention of the Father and Jesus. You also ignore many scriptures that prove the Holy Spirit is personal!

Does an impersonal or amorphous force or power have its own “Temple”?

What? know ye not that “your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you“, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 1 Cor 6:19

Oh but wait, we also see our body is the “Temple of God”…

Know ye not that “ye are the temple of God“, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 1 Cor 3:16

And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for “YE ARE THE TEMPLE OF THE LIVING GOD; as God hath said, I WILL DWELL IN THEM, AND WALK IN THEM: and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 1 Cor 6:16

But according to David, God doesn't dwell in us and walk in us as a person for God cannot fill us for if he did then he would be an “It” or a “Thing” or some amorphous force or power!

The Temple of God or of the Holy Spirit is where God dwells. We are a habitation for God both individually and corporately.

Jesus said…

And I will pray the Father, and “he shall give you another (allos) Comforter (paraklētos)”, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, “AND SHALL BE IN YOU”. John 14:16, 17

What do you say about the following scripture David?

”NOW THE LORD IS THAT SPIRIT”: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Cor 3:17

If the Spirit is being called Lord then the Spirit is a person.

David, your own Bible says “Now Jehovah is the Spirit…“

So yes the Bible does say the Holy Spirit is God!

Read the context David for this verse is calling the Spirit of the living God, the Lord!

WJ

[KangarooJack]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 25 2010,01:52)

Quote (david @ May 24 2010,00:37) Quote I been trying to really refer to scriptures about the throne the holy spirit.   and just like you have said, Holy spirit doesnt need one, its in you. God never meant for man kind to be seperated from himself. The whole point is for God to be your everything, and that he is even inside you. –SF SF, is this the comment you refer to? First, you bring up a good point.  The holy spirit is different, it doesn't need a throne.  Why would it? Yes, holy spirit is something that can be in people.  Many times, God's holy spirit is said to be something that can be inside people, something we should ask/pray for, something that can help us and give us extra power, or strength, or ability to carry out God's will.  I think the holy spirit doesn't need a throne, because it's not a person. I would like to look more at the scripture that refers to God being inside people.  I don't actually know which one it is.  Can you find it for me.  (Or can anyone else, doesn't matter who?) David I bumped this post because it answers the God in you question. You didn't respond to it, why? Quote (david @ May 14 2010,02:14) Let's look at this in point form: POINT FORM: -The Bible doesn't say the holy spirit is God. David And none of the above negates that the Father and Jesus himself can do all those things and become all those things you speak of. Are you saying God who is a Spirit cannot fill you? Are you saying God is not referred to as a “Rock” a “shield” a “Buckler” a “Strong tower” a “fortress” a “hiding place” a “Keeper” Etc. Etc. There are many impersonal metaphors ascribed to God. So what does your post prove? God is Love, God is a fire, and can also fill us as scriptures clearly teach. You completely ignore the many scriptures that speak of the acts of the Holy Spirit without the mention of the Father and Jesus. You also ignore many scriptures that prove the Holy Spirit is personal! Does an impersonal or amorphous force or power have its own “Temple”? What? know ye not that “your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you“, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 1 Cor 6:19 Oh but wait, we also see our body is the “Temple of God”… Know ye not that “ye are the temple of God“, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 1 Cor 3:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for “YE ARE THE TEMPLE OF THE LIVING GOD; as God hath said, I WILL DWELL IN THEM, AND WALK IN THEM: and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 1 Cor 6:16 But according to David, God doesn't dwell in us and walk in us as a person for God cannot fill us for if he did then he would be an “It” or a “Thing” or some amorphous force or power! The Temple of God or of the Holy Spirit is where God dwells. We are a habitation for God both individually and corporately. Jesus said… And I will pray the Father, and “he shall give you another (allos) Comforter (paraklētos)”, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, “AND SHALL BE IN YOU”. John 14:16, 17 What do you say about the following scripture David? ”NOW THE LORD IS THAT SPIRIT”: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Cor 3:17 If the Spirit is being called Lord then the Spirit is a person. David, your own Bible says “Now Jehovah is the Spirit…“ So yes the Bible does say the Holy Spirit is God! Read the context David for this verse is calling the Spirit of the living God, the Lord! WJ

Keith,

Has David answered the point that Jesus used the personal pronoun “ekeinos” when speaking about the Holy Spirit (John 14:26). Where was this point brought up?

Jack

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ May 24 2010,09:49)

WorshippingJesus said to David: Quote David I do not see where there is an attack on you. I attacked your implication for the verse as proof that the Holy Spirit is not a person because you have used that verse to support your theory. You sure are defensive these days and touchy I might add! WJ Keith, David is touchy because his arguments are weak. btw, Has David answered the point that Jesus used the personal pronoun “ekeinos” in reference to the Spirit when He said “He (ekeinos) shall testify of Me” (John 14:26)? I don't quite remember where that point was brought up. Jack

Jack

Not that I am aware of. David doesn't address many points that contradict his theory!

Just like the word “allos” for another “paraklētos” (John 14:16) which is a “masculine noun” and means “advocate” or “intercessor” or “Judge” Etc., and in fact it is the same word John uses for Jesus in 1 John 2:1 who is a person.

Clearly Jesus and John could have used other terms if they did not believe the Holy Spirit is a living person.

WJ

[JustAskin]

David,

Don't be a w-z. if you don't want people to post unnecessaries in your thread THEN TELL THEM!

Don't sit and just moan about it – stand up and be a man! (The Godfather – part 1) – YOU have a name of a KING (for what it means to YOU) USE IT – YOU ARE DAVID – be what you are called!!!!

By the way, I Am Just Askin if you would like to do that – would you?

[KangarooJack]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 25 2010,04:22)

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ May 24 2010,09:49) WorshippingJesus said to David: Quote David I do not see where there is an attack on you. I attacked your implication for the verse as proof that the Holy Spirit is not a person because you have used that verse to support your theory. You sure are defensive these days and touchy I might add! WJ Keith, David is touchy because his arguments are weak. btw, Has David answered the point that Jesus used the personal pronoun “ekeinos” in reference to the Spirit when He said “He (ekeinos) shall testify of Me” (John 14:26)? I don't quite remember where that point was brought up. Jack Jack Not that I am aware of. David doesn't address many points that contradict his theory! Just like the word “allos” for another “paraklētos” (John 14:16) which is a “masculine noun” and means “advocate” or “intercessor” or “Judge” Etc., and in fact it is the same word John uses for Jesus in 1 John 2:1 who is a person. Clearly Jesus and John could have used other terms if they did not believe the Holy Spirit is a living person. WJ

Keith,

David argues that the angels were called “gods” and infers from this that that the name “god” in reference to Jesus is equivalent. But he ignores that the name “Son” in reference to Jesus is a name that is by far superior to the name “gods” in reference to angels (Heb. 1:1-6). Therefore, the name “god” as it is applied to angels is a much inferior name in comparison.

Kangaroo Jack

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 25 2010,01:52)

Quote (david @ May 24 2010,00:37) Quote I been trying to really refer to scriptures about the throne the holy spirit.   and just like you have said, Holy spirit doesnt need one, its in you. God never meant for man kind to be seperated from himself. The whole point is for God to be your everything, and that he is even inside you. –SF SF, is this the comment you refer to? First, you bring up a good point.  The holy spirit is different, it doesn't need a throne.  Why would it? Yes, holy spirit is something that can be in people.  Many times, God's holy spirit is said to be something that can be inside people, something we should ask/pray for, something that can help us and give us extra power, or strength, or ability to carry out God's will.  I think the holy spirit doesn't need a throne, because it's not a person. I would like to look more at the scripture that refers to God being inside people.  I don't actually know which one it is.  Can you find it for me.  (Or can anyone else, doesn't matter who?) David I bumped this post because it answers the God in you question. You didn't respond to it, why? Quote (david @ May 14 2010,02:14) Let's look at this in point form: POINT FORM: -The Bible doesn't say the holy spirit is God. David And none of the above negates that the Father and Jesus himself can do all those things and become all those things you speak of. Are you saying God who is a Spirit cannot fill you? Are you saying God is not referred to as a “Rock” a “shield” a “Buckler” a “Strong tower” a “fortress” a “hiding place” a “Keeper” Etc. Etc. There are many impersonal metaphors ascribed to God. So what does your post prove? God is Love, God is a fire, and can also fill us as scriptures clearly teach. You completely ignore the many scriptures that speak of the acts of the Holy Spirit without the mention of the Father and Jesus. You also ignore many scriptures that prove the Holy Spirit is personal! Does an impersonal or amorphous force or power have its own “Temple”? What? know ye not that “your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you“, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 1 Cor 6:19 Oh but wait, we also see our body is the “Temple of God”… Know ye not that “ye are the temple of God“, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 1 Cor 3:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for “YE ARE THE TEMPLE OF THE LIVING GOD; as God hath said, I WILL DWELL IN THEM, AND WALK IN THEM: and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 1 Cor 6:16 But according to David, God doesn't dwell in us and walk in us as a person for God cannot fill us for if he did then he would be an “It” or a “Thing” or some amorphous force or power! The Temple of God or of the Holy Spirit is where God dwells. We are a habitation for God both individually and corporately. Jesus said… And I will pray the Father, and “he shall give you another (allos) Comforter (paraklētos)”, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, “AND SHALL BE IN YOU”. John 14:16, 17 What do you say about the following scripture David? ”NOW THE LORD IS THAT SPIRIT”: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Cor 3:17 If the Spirit is being called Lord then the Spirit is a person. David, your own Bible says “Now Jehovah is the Spirit…“ So yes the Bible does say the Holy Spirit is God! Read the context David for this verse is calling the Spirit of the living God, the Lord! WJ

WJ,

Great points! you said most of what i wanted to say today!
I thought that just added to the topic!

back to matthew 28:
wouldnt that idea also serve in the baptisim. Point being that one is submerged underwater and than risen from that as a public display. the washing of sins, the death and ressurection. What was the purpose of nameing all three in one baptisim?

Yet Jesus said name. not “names”…. The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost. these are not names? these are titles..
Could it be that God wanting to be everything to us.

I look this up in differenet languages, and in Spanish it also reads as “Nombre”, not “Nombres” Padre, Hijo, y Espiritu Santo. Do you think that also shows proof that the names that are presented are one name?

i know i could be wrong, what do you think WJ? do you agree?
(im not debating you, just wanted to know if my observations are valid enough for you to agree)

[JustAskin]

SF,

Moment for refinement – there is no such thing as “Holy GHOST”. It is “Holy Spirit”.

Wow – Matthew 29:19 is still being debate – how long ago since it was established that the verse means “In the power and authority of”.

Well, ya'll know what – it ain't goin nowheres as a debate in the guise of “name” – this will still be running in 10 years time before someone else, once again, says “You know what : I think it might mean 'in the POWER and Auhority of'”.

Jesus was given the “power and authority” and so in HIS NAME (P&A of ALL THREE) they are baptised.

There – in one short sentence. Simples! No mighty multipaged caustic arguments, granite brained thinking required.

[JustAskin]

Only John 1:1c left to debate – and we can all go home

– Great Jah – I saw Trinity fall from Heaven[net]!!!

[SimplyForgiven]

Quote (JustAskin @ May 25 2010,06:59)

SF, Moment for refinement – there is no such thing as “Holy GHOST”. It is “Holy Spirit”. Wow – Matthew 29:19 is still being debate – how long ago since it was established that the verse means “In the power and authority of”. Well, ya'll know what – it ain't goin nowheres as a debate in the guise of “name” – this will still be running in 10 years time before someone else, once again, says “You know what : I think it might mean 'in the POWER and Auhority of'”. Jesus was given the “power and authority” and so in HIS NAME (P&A of ALL THREE) they are baptised. There – in one short sentence. Simples! No mighty multipaged caustic arguments, granite brained thinking required.

Simplemente Preguntando!!!! (Spanish for Just Askin/ Simply Askin)

lol calmate hombre. I have a bad habit of writing that.

Dont worry, there i no ghost after you, the voices in your closet are only in your imagination.

jk.

lol, your observation is great. but the point of the thread, is whether the three being mention togethor proves a trinity or not. and if it does, what does Two prove in the greeting from paul. ^these are Davids points, not mine.

[Arnold]

Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ May 25 2010,05:19)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 25 2010,04:22) Quote (Kangaroo Jack @ May 24 2010,09:49) WorshippingJesus said to David: Quote David I do not see where there is an attack on you. I attacked your implication for the verse as proof that the Holy Spirit is not a person because you have used that verse to support your theory. You sure are defensive these days and touchy I might add! WJ Keith, David is touchy because his arguments are weak. btw, Has David answered the point that Jesus used the personal pronoun “ekeinos” in reference to the Spirit when He said “He (ekeinos) shall testify of Me” (John 14:26)? I don't quite remember where that point was brought up. Jack Jack Not that I am aware of. David doesn't address many points that contradict his theory! Just like the word “allos” for another “paraklētos” (John 14:16) which is a “masculine noun” and means “advocate” or “intercessor” or “Judge” Etc., and in fact it is the same word John uses for Jesus in 1 John 2:1 who is a person. Clearly Jesus and John could have used other terms if they did not believe the Holy Spirit is a living person. WJ Keith, David argues that the angels were called “gods” and infers from this that that the name “god” in reference to Jesus is equivalent. But he ignores that the name “Son” in reference to Jesus is a name that is by far superior to the name “gods” in reference to angels (Heb. 1:1-6). Therefore, the name “god” as it is applied to angels is a much inferior name in comparison. Kangaroo Jack

Jack! I do know that the J.W. do believe that Jesus was an Angel before He became a man. However is it according to Scripture….. I don't think so…. If we go to the preexisting tread we can find several Scriptures that will tell us differently…..
He was the firstborn of all creation and Jehovah God gave Him all power to create there after..in
Hebrew 1:5-9 Jehovah God calls Jesus His Son and God.
He has hated lawlessness and loved righteousness, and therefore God, Your God has anointed You with the Oil of gladness more then Your companions.”
We know that the only beings in Heaven are the Angels and Jesus and Jehovah God, so we know that He was talking about the Angels being His companions. That does not make Him like them at all….IMO Irene

[JustAskin]

Irene, I know your post is to Jack but…

I have to agree with SF that sometimes (??) what you write makes no sense – like what you just wrote – I read it several times and i can't figure what you on about.

You claim to present 'Proof' but there is no 'Proof' – you just quoting A scripture verse. Where is the Proof of whatever you trying Prove?

[KangarooJack]

WorshippingJesus said to David:

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And none of the above negates that the Father and Jesus himself can do all those things and become all those things you speak of.

Keith,

See the thread I started today over in “Truth or Tradition.” David is committing the Reductive Fallacy.

Jack

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (SimplyForgiven @ May 24 2010,14:40)

Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 25 2010,01:52) Quote (david @ May 24 2010,00:37) Quote I been trying to really refer to scriptures about the throne the holy spirit.   and just like you have said, Holy spirit doesnt need one, its in you. God never meant for man kind to be seperated from himself. The whole point is for God to be your everything, and that he is even inside you. –SF SF, is this the comment you refer to? First, you bring up a good point.  The holy spirit is different, it doesn't need a throne.  Why would it? Yes, holy spirit is something that can be in people.  Many times, God's holy spirit is said to be something that can be inside people, something we should ask/pray for, something that can help us and give us extra power, or strength, or ability to carry out God's will.  I think the holy spirit doesn't need a throne, because it's not a person. I would like to look more at the scripture that refers to God being inside people.  I don't actually know which one it is.  Can you find it for me.  (Or can anyone else, doesn't matter who?) David I bumped this post because it answers the God in you question. You didn't respond to it, why? Quote (david @ May 14 2010,02:14) Let's look at this in point form: POINT FORM: -The Bible doesn't say the holy spirit is God. David And none of the above negates that the Father and Jesus himself can do all those things and become all those things you speak of. Are you saying God who is a Spirit cannot fill you? Are you saying God is not referred to as a “Rock” a “shield” a “Buckler” a “Strong tower” a “fortress” a “hiding place” a “Keeper” Etc. Etc. There are many impersonal metaphors ascribed to God. So what does your post prove? God is Love, God is a fire, and can also fill us as scriptures clearly teach. You completely ignore the many scriptures that speak of the acts of the Holy Spirit without the mention of the Father and Jesus. You also ignore many scriptures that prove the Holy Spirit is personal! Does an impersonal or amorphous force or power have its own “Temple”? What? know ye not that “your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you“, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 1 Cor 6:19 Oh but wait, we also see our body is the “Temple of God”… Know ye not that “ye are the temple of God“, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 1 Cor 3:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for “YE ARE THE TEMPLE OF THE LIVING GOD; as God hath said, I WILL DWELL IN THEM, AND WALK IN THEM: and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. 1 Cor 6:16 But according to David, God doesn't dwell in us and walk in us as a person for God cannot fill us for if he did then he would be an “It” or a “Thing” or some amorphous force or power! The Temple of God or of the Holy Spirit is where God dwells. We are a habitation for God both individually and corporately. Jesus said… And I will pray the Father, and “he shall give you another (allos) Comforter (paraklētos)”, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, “AND SHALL BE IN YOU”. John 14:16, 17 What do you say about the following scripture David? ”NOW THE LORD IS THAT SPIRIT”: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 2 Cor 3:17 If the Spirit is being called Lord then the Spirit is a person. David, your own Bible says “Now Jehovah is the Spirit…“ So yes the Bible does say the Holy Spirit is God! Read the context David for this verse is calling the Spirit of the living God, the Lord! WJ WJ, Great points! you said most of what i wanted to say today! I thought that just added to the topic! back to matthew 28: wouldnt that idea also serve in the baptisim. Point being that one is submerged underwater and than risen from that as a public display.  the washing of sins, the death and ressurection.  What was the purpose of nameing all three in one baptisim? Yet Jesus said name. not “names”…. The Father, The Son, and The Holy Ghost.  these are not names? these are titles.. Could it be that God wanting to be everything to us. I look this up in differenet languages, and in Spanish it also reads as “Nombre”, not “Nombres” Padre, Hijo, y Espiritu Santo.   Do you think that also shows proof that the names that are presented are one name? i know i could be wrong, what do you think WJ? do you agree? (im not debating you, just wanted to know if my observations are valid enough for you to agree)

Hi SF

I agree! I think it means “Name” as in a proper name. But Hebrew names also depicted character and also the authority or power of the one with the name.

What we do know is that the Apostles obeyed the command by baptising in Jesus name. Since Matt 28:18 is the qualifying verse it is of no surprise that Jesus is the name above all names is used. The name of Jesus with the unction of the Holy Spirit invokes the power of God to performe miracles, healings Etc which is carried out by the three, “The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit which are ONE!

Blessings Keith

[JustAskin]

Keith,

I am going to ask once – and once only – Please quote me a scripture stating:

“The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are ONE”

and in what CONTEXT it is quoted. I bet if, you can find one, that the CONTEXT is “ONE in PURPOSE” – as ” 'WE', also will be ONE IN PURPOSE with them”

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