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Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 04 2010,04:50) Quote (terraricca @ May 02 2010,08:58) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 02 2010,06:59) Quote (terraricca @ May 01 2010,14:46) WJ you answer the wrong questions;
i knew that would be your way;
TYour questions are irrelevant if they are not in light of the NT Jew and Apostles!
This discussion is about the NT scripture Matthew 28:19 which is inspired by God through the Apostle Matthew.
But you do not believe in this scripture so why should I discuss OT scripture with you, for if I show you God is plural in the OT you will just claim the scriptures are not true but a lie.
WJ
WJyou are wrong again ,wen you deal with who is and what is God ,you deal with all the word of God ,only speculators try to use one verse ,one word,one sentence,one idea,
to be truthful in what you believe ,it has to be true to the entire scriptures the OT or NT.
For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy
JANot wrong at all. T doesn't believe Matt 28:19 is scripture.
The NT interprets the Old.
WJ
WJif it would be aligned with scriptures and Christ spirit i would accepted ,but i can not deny truth of God and accept men add as truth.
i have show you two verses but you do not even can see what is wrong with Mt 28;19
yet verse 20 should teach you something.
just as the pharisees you are blind to the understanding of Gods word,
what you really know is the grammar and that's all.
Quote (terraricca @ May 03 2010,16:16) …just as the pharisees you are blind to the understanding of Gods word,
TYou call it Gods word. Yet you reject Matt 28:19 as Gods word.
So it's only what you think is Gods word, is that right?
You have no right to claim any of it as Gods word since you believe it is corrupted!
WJ
WJ,
You say Jesus has ALL Power and Authority – Are you also saying that God has that Same Power and Authority at the Same time
Or are you saying that while Jesus has ALL Power and Authority God does not have it – is devoidAlso,
Had you not seen “in the name of the Father, and of the son and and of Holy Spirit” what would you have read into that: “The Father is Greater – Always” so In His Name (YHWH), AND In the Sons Name (Jesus) and in the Name of the Holy Spirit (Which is?)….er…hmmm…
Quote (JustAskin @ May 03 2010,16:24) WJ, You say Jesus has ALL Power and Authority – Are you also saying that God has that Same Power and Authority at the Same time
Or are you saying that while Jesus has ALL Power and Authority God does not have it – is devoidAlso,
Had you not seen “in the name of the Father, and of the son and and of Holy Spirit” what would you have read into that: “The Father is Greater – Always” so In His Name (YHWH), AND In the Sons Name (Jesus) and in the Name of the Holy Spirit (Which is?)….er…hmmm…
JAWhy do you ask here?
You quit this debate!
If you want to continue this debate with me then make your response in the debates thread!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 04 2010,08:24) Quote (terraricca @ May 03 2010,16:16) …just as the pharisees you are blind to the understanding of Gods word,
TYou call it Gods word. Yet you reject Matt 28:19 as Gods word.
So it's only what you think is Gods word, is that right?
You have no right to claim any of it as Gods word since you believe it is corrupted!
WJ
WJyou do not believe in Christ spirit ,so for your trinitarian views you are ready to purger you self before God but try to have glory in the eyes of men.
you following the LETTER.so you have been paid in full by men.
Quote (terraricca @ May 03 2010,16:30) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 04 2010,08:24) Quote (terraricca @ May 03 2010,16:16) …just as the pharisees you are blind to the understanding of Gods word,
TYou call it Gods word. Yet you reject Matt 28:19 as Gods word.
So it's only what you think is Gods word, is that right?
You have no right to claim any of it as Gods word since you believe it is corrupted!
WJ
WJyou do not believe in Christ spirit ,so for your trinitarian views you are ready to purger you self before God but try to have glory in the eyes of men.
you following the LETTER.so you have been paid in full by men.
TAnd you speak lies and you are not my judge!
WJ
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 04 2010,08:35) Quote (terraricca @ May 03 2010,16:30) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 04 2010,08:24) Quote (terraricca @ May 03 2010,16:16) …just as the pharisees you are blind to the understanding of Gods word,
TYou call it Gods word. Yet you reject Matt 28:19 as Gods word.
So it's only what you think is Gods word, is that right?
You have no right to claim any of it as Gods word since you believe it is corrupted!
WJ
WJyou do not believe in Christ spirit ,so for your trinitarian views you are ready to purger you self before God but try to have glory in the eyes of men.
you following the LETTER.so you have been paid in full by men.
TAnd you speak lies and you are not my judge!
WJ
WJyou wrong in your first statment and you are right in the second
Hi Mike
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 01 2010,12:55) This is in response to your claim that there is not even a hint of a Trinity mentioned in the Bible from another thread, but Matt 28:19 by Jesus own words says there is “a Trinity”. Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 01 2010,17:40) How in the world does Matt preach a trinity?
Mike you said…Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 29 2010,23:39) Yet, it seems to have muddled the trinity concept, because I can't find a verse anywhere in the Bible that says God is three persons in one godhead, or even alludes to it. 
Here
My response is the scriptures do speak of a trinity, and now in order to add validity to your statement you are even denying what a trinity is defined as…American Heritage Dictionary
A group consisting of three closely related members. Also called triunity.merriam-webster
not capitalized : a group of three closely related persons or things –Cambridge
a group of three things or peopleTrinitarians are not claiming that Matt 28:19 by itself proves the Biblical Trinity that we believe, but only that a trinity existed and Jesus and the Apostles spoke of it.
The truth is many of you believe in a trinity, the question again is about their respective nature and ontology. The Ats deny the equality of the qualities and attributes shared among the three.
WJ
WorshippingJesus,May wrote:[/quote]
Quote Yes it was translated as “kyrios” which is translated in English as “Lord”. Here is something to think about Mike, the word 'kyrios' Lord is found in the NT about 748 times and almost invariably it is in reference to Jesus. Including scriptures like this… Point is null and void, for this is not applied to Matthew 28.19. Dishonest weights and measures.
Quote The NT interprets the Old. Without the old, you would never believe the new.
Quote You have no right to claim any of it as Gods word since you believe it is corrupted! For you to blindly believe that the canonized text has not been tampered with by your church father, then you have no right to preach the word.
Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 04 2010,09:21) Hi Mike Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 01 2010,12:55) This is in response to your claim that there is not even a hint of a Trinity mentioned in the Bible from another thread, but Matt 28:19 by Jesus own words says there is “a Trinity”. Quote (mikeboll64 @ May 01 2010,17:40) How in the world does Matt preach a trinity?
Mike you said…Quote (mikeboll64 @ April 29 2010,23:39) Yet, it seems to have muddled the trinity concept, because I can't find a verse anywhere in the Bible that says God is three persons in one godhead, or even alludes to it. Here
My response is the scriptures do speak of a trinity, and now in order to add validity to your statement you are even denying what a trinity is defined as…American Heritage Dictionary
A group consisting of three closely related members. Also called triunity.merriam-webster
not capitalized : a group of three closely related persons or things –Cambridge
a group of three things or peopleTrinitarians are not claiming that Matt 28:19 by itself proves the Biblical Trinity that we believe, but only that a trinity existed and Jesus and the Apostles spoke of it.
The truth is many of you believe in a trinity, the question again is about their respective nature and ontology. The Ats deny the equality of the qualities and attributes shared among the three.
WJ
Hi WJ,
Three?
God is one.
Poor foundation.Why don't you define triad WJ.
Here let me:
Princeton:
A triple deity (sometimes referred to as threefold, tripled, triplicate, tripartite, triune or triadic) is a deity associated with the number three. Such deities are common throughout world mythology; the number three has a long history of mythical associations. …
Under the religion section if you need a reference.
WJ,
Are you feeding my mouth? Say it often enough so people begin to believe it.
YOu set up a thread to dispute what I said and NOT a SINGLE person agreed with you – Not one!
Jack set up another thread against me and got the same response – nothing – Not one!
In fact, the weight of disapproval was TOTALLY AGAINST the two of you – not because you are Trinitarian but because what you two posted was sooo evidentially false it was unbelievable to see two people in so much distress in their desperation to claim credibility – so sad.
By the way, my spell checker doesn't recognise the word “Trinitarian” – fancy that –even a dumb computer!
Did you see the journey your colleague took me on today – you guys are wonderful – I'm hoping he will take me through the book of Ephesians.
He ran away when he found out that all the answers he though he was gonna get were actually AGAINST HIM – poor chap – he never learns – do you just use him as a spear point – I notice the two of you disappeared the other day after your routing – to regroup and come back: FRESH – and Clean – number one Guys when you step on the scene!
So that's your secret see WJ, I told you the Spirit would expose you. Just pretend nothing happened – start over again same old same old – as also say, POK says – you two never learn anything new …just compound the old. Sterile soil, can't grow, in the dark, shallow soil. like dandelions – no matter how many time you pluck them they just keep growing back – hey you noticed that they always seem to produce seed just after you pick them off and some how put their last bit of energy into creating new offspring – ah, that's their secret – so they need to be consigned to the everlasting fire – not the compost heap. Ahh… I hope the gardener comes soon.
Quote (JustAskin @ May 03 2010,17:58) WJ, Are you feeding my mouth? Say it often enough so people begin to believe it.
YOu set up a thread to dispute what I said and NOT a SINGLE person agreed with you – Not one!
Jack set up another thread against me and got the same response – nothing – Not one!
In fact, the weight of disapproval was TOTALLY AGAINST the two of you – not because you are Trinitarian but because what you two posted was sooo evidentially false it was unbelievable to see two people in so much distress in their desperation to claim credibility – so sad.
By the way, my spell checker doesn't recognise the word “Trinitarian” – fancy that –even a dumb computer!
Did you see the journey your colleague took me on today – you guys are wonderful – I'm hoping he will take me through the book of Ephesians.
He ran away when he found out that all the answers he though he was gonna get were actually AGAINST HIM – poor chap – he never learns – do you just use him as a spear point – I notice the two of you disappeared the other day after your routing – to regroup and come back: FRESH – and Clean – number one Guys when you step on the scene!
So that's your secret see WJ, I told you the Spirit would expose you. Just pretend nothing happened – start over again same old same old – as also say, POK says – you two never learn anything new …just compound the old. Sterile soil, can't grow, in the dark, shallow soil. like dandelions – no matter how many time you pluck them they just keep growing back – hey you noticed that they always seem to produce seed just after you pick them off and some how put their last bit of energy into creating new offspring – ah, that's their secret – so they need to be consigned to the everlasting fire – not the compost heap. Ahh… I hope the gardener comes soon.
No scriptural substance , just more useless diatribe!WJ
Quote (princess of the king @ May 03 2010,17:44) Why don't you define triad WJ. Here let me:
Princeton:
A triple deity (sometimes referred to as threefold, tripled, triplicate, tripartite, triune or triadic) is a deity associated with the number three. Such deities are common throughout world mythology; the number three has a long history of mythical associations. …
Under the religion section if you need a reference.
POKIt’s obvious that the definition of “a trinity” varies doesn't it?
Many believe there are three spoken of in Matt 28:19, yet they are not equal which fits the definition of a “triad”, trinity.
That is my contention.
But you think that you can force your model on the text when in reality your model is not the definition of the Ecumenical Trinity is it?
I will say again, I am not trying to prove that Matt 28:19 itself proves the Ecumenical Trinity but in fact have claimed over and over again that the Trinity is derived from all scriptures as a whole.
Your point is circular.
WJ
Hi WJ,
Did you mean ECONOMICAL?I realise two formulations exist of your manmade god to try and resolve inherent conflicts.
Quote (princess of the king @ May 03 2010,17:27) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 04 2010,08:24) Quote Yes it was translated as “kyrios” which is translated in English as “Lord”. Here is something to think about Mike, the word 'kyrios' Lord is found in the NT about 748 times and almost invariably it is in reference to Jesus. Including scriptures like this… Point is null and void, for this is not applied to Matthew 28.19. Dishonest weights and measures.
Show me how it is dishonest!Quote (princess of the king @ May 03 2010,17:27) Quote The NT interprets the Old. Without the old, you would never believe the new.
So all those NT Bibles that are printed are not the inspired word of God?Thats a strange claim for someone who doesn't believe in the authenticity of the Canon, don't you think?
Quote (princess of the king @ May 03 2010,17:27) Quote (WorshippingJesus @ May 03 2010,12:50) You have no right to claim any of it as Gods word since you believe it is corrupted!
For you to blindly believe that the canonized text has not been tampered with by your church father, then you have no right to preach the word.
Straw man! See above! When you can prove your claim then you might have a point. So why don't you try to prove that Matt 28:19 was added again.BTW it is those who do not believe the scriptures that are blind!
WJ
When I post Scriptural posting you spew filth over it. Should i dish up God's truth for you to ridicule in front of others. Not that you have EVER prevailed but just run off and hide till the posts have rolled over then you come back like nothing had happened.
If you truly been learning for 30 years the you are right that there there is NOTHING for you to learn – Because you CAN't learn – you are a block of granite stuck in a windswept wilderness far from civilisation of God and men.
No matter what Scriptural truth you are shown it means nothing. Jack, he can't even walk straight – You openly claims that Jesus is less than God in one place and then clams he – Jesus is God in another and you, all you want to do is have philosphical battles with people and that means simply refuting anything that anyone says – no matter what it is they say.
I'm off to bed (No you're not – you are running away…, er no, really. its 23:25hrs. See i told you more excuses – oh well, as you like it , as shakespeare wrote. shakespeare didn't write that it was francis bacon and i got philo proof in strongers concordance from 1086 bc written in, er, Granite…by a Neanderthal )
gn.Quote (JustAskin @ May 04 2010,10:32) When I post Scriptural posting you spew filth over it. Should i dish up God's truth for you to ridicule in front of others. Not that you have EVER prevailed but just run off and hide till the posts have rolled over then you come back like nothing had happened. If you truly been learning for 30 years the you are right that there there is NOTHING for you to learn – Because you CAN't learn – you are a block of granite stuck in a windswept wilderness far from civilisation of God and men.
No matter what Scriptural truth you are shown it means nothing. Jack, he can't even walk straight – You openly claims that Jesus is less than God in one place and then clams he – Jesus is God in another and you, all you want to do is have philosphical battles with people and that means simply refuting anything that anyone says – no matter what it is they say.
I'm off to bed (No you're not – you are running away…, er no, really. its 23:25hrs. See i told you more excuses – oh well, as you like it , as shakespeare wrote. shakespeare didn't write that it was francis bacon and i got philo proof in strongers concordance from 1086 bc written in, er, Granite…by a Neanderthal )
gn.
JAdo you remember what i told you many weeks ago ,about the result you would end up with, if you go with either TT or WJ
for discussion.there is a point to break conversation ,connection,they reject the scriptures as a whole,like Paul says they are trouble makers.
Quote (JustAskin @ May 03 2010,18:32) When I post Scriptural posting you spew filth over it. Should i dish up God's truth for you to ridicule in front of others. Not that you have EVER prevailed but just run off and hide till the posts have rolled over then you come back like nothing had happened. If you truly been learning for 30 years the you are right that there there is NOTHING for you to learn – Because you CAN't learn – you are a block of granite stuck in a windswept wilderness far from civilisation of God and men.
No matter what Scriptural truth you are shown it means nothing. Jack, he can't even walk straight – You openly claims that Jesus is less than God in one place and then clams he – Jesus is God in another and you, all you want to do is have philosphical battles with people and that means simply refuting anything that anyone says – no matter what it is they say.
I'm off to bed (No you're not – you are running away…, er no, really. its 23:25hrs. See i told you more excuses – oh well, as you like it , as shakespeare wrote. shakespeare didn't write that it was francis bacon and i got philo proof in strongers concordance from 1086 bc written in, er, Granite…by a Neanderthal )
gn.
Hes hiding behind the diatribe!
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