Man verbalizes what many think

[Ed J]

Hi Ed,

If you deny that Jesus was a man like us you deny scripture.

If you deny he had a human spirit you deny he is a man.

If you say he was born anointed you deny his anointing.

You are cut adrift from the anchor for your soul.

Hi Nick,

spin

transitive verb
3b : to evolve, express, or fabricate by processes of mind or imagination …[b](Link)[/b]

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,

Do you also deny that God saves?

Do you deny that God is the redeemer?

Your doctrine is of man and not God perhaps.

 

[Ed J]

Hi Nick,

I always answer other peoples questions. Always being conditional on
whether my questions are being answered or dodged. (a ref. to Matt 21:24-25)

I’m as of yet still waiting for you to answer my question here… …[b](Link)[/b]

[Ed J]

“None of them(all ye inhabitants of the world) can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him” (Psalms 49:7)

Hi Kerwin,

Given your spin on that verse (that the “them” only applies to rich people):

Are you suggesting that anyone who is not rich can redeem his brother,
and anyone who is not rich can give to God a ransom for him? y/n
(remember that “I don’t know” is also an acceptable answer)

This is a serious question and I expect you to treat it as such.

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God bless
Ed J

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,

Certainly you see no fault in your approach.

Bullying is your natural way.

[Ed J]

Hi Ed,

(1)Certainly you see no fault in your approach.

(2)Bullying is your natural way.

Hi Nick,

1) For me asking y/n based questions is merely a tool that helps to define
others doctrinal beliefs, and that way the discussion can be focused.

How is the discussion focused you might ask? Simple, when someones doctrinal beliefs
are clearly defined: we then can compare them to what Scripture actually says.

2) “blessed is he, whosoever shall not be offended in me” (Luke 7:23)
“He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who
hath also given unto us his Holy Spirit.” (1 Thess. 4:8)

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God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Hi Ed,

Certainly you see no fault in your approach.

Hi Nick,

I will not argue over misconceptions, which seems to be your approach.
I gave you a one post example of your approach here… …[b](Link)[/b]
…that approach leads to ‘no-where’s-ville’

You are of course free to continue to argue over misconceptions
with anyone here, but I have illustrated that approach is fruitless.

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God bless
Ed J

[Ed J]

Hi Ed,

Certainly you see no fault in your approach.

Hi Nick,

My approach focuses on error filled doctrinal beliefs like a laser-beam.
Of course it is painful to those who will not let go of the error.

“he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me” (Matt 10:38)

[Ed J]

Hi Ed,

Reason is not much use in interpreting scripture though many natural folk worship at her feet.

Please use spiritual language.

Hi Nick, OK:

“Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet,
they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land: But if ye refuse and rebel,
ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.” (Isa 1:18-20)

“for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known” (Matt 10:26)

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God bless
Ed J

[kerwin]

Ed,

Are you suggesting that any poor person can redeem their brother
and any poor person can give to God a ransom for him? y/n
(remember “I don’t know” is also an acceptable answer)

No, I do not hear that from Psalms 49:6-7 which is speaking of why it is foolish to put your trust in the rich. It is also foolish to put your trust in the poor even though the passage does not say or imply that.

[Ed J]

Hi Kerwin,

You do realize that when you try to limit the meaning of the verse from “all the inhabitants of the world”
and instead try to limit the meaning to only the rich that trust in their riches, it opens it up to ALL others.
So as you try to make room in it for your ordinary Jesus, you inadvertently open it up to all others instead.

Just thought I would let you know, because you obviously overlooked this error.

________________
God bless
Ed J

[NickHassan]

Hi Ed,

Laser beam?

Naah

More like a fog light trying to penetrate to mist of your religious confusion.

Very little of the light is apparent out here where believers live.

[Ed J]

Correction…

So as you try to make room in it for your an ordinary Jesus, you inadvertently open it up to all others instead as well.

[Ed J]

Hi Ed,

(1)Laser beam? Naah

(2)More like a fog light trying to penetrate to mist of your religious confusion.

(3)Very little of the light is apparent out here where believers live.

Hi Nick,

1) Then why don’t you answer my questions?
2) I don’t know what it means,
… but it sure does sound funny (:
3) Sorry you don’t see much ):

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God bless
Ed J

[kerwin]

Ed,

I am not the one to teach you English.

[kerwin]

Ed,

“them” is a third person pronoun for your interpretation to be correct a second person pronoun would have to be used as “all the inhabitants of the world” is the group being spoken to. For this reason the AV of the KJV does not support your interpretation. Other versions are more friendly to your chosen interpretation. To go by them you first have to admit the AV of the KJV is corrupt.

Another choice is to refuse to admit what the pronouns reveal and insist you are right no matter what evidence disagrees with you.

That is enough of an English lesson.

Note: I had to look it up myself to confirm what I believed was correct English.

[Ed J]

Kerwin:
I am not the one to teach you English.

Ed:
Oh? — points numbered 1 & 2 (in your next post)
suggest (to me) that is the very task you have appointed yourself to ???

Ed :
So how can YOU say that ???

Ed,

(1a)“them” is a third person pronoun for your interpretation to be correct a second person pronoun would have to be used as “all the inhabitants of the world” is the group being spoken to.
(1b)For this reason the AV of the KJV does not support your interpretation.
(2)Other versions are more friendly to your chosen interpretation.
(3)To go by them you first have to admit the AV of the KJV is corrupt.

1) Could you please go into more detail by answering my two questions? (a ref. to: them they & their)
a) What is the difference between a third person pronoun and a second person pronoun? …and…
b) How are you suggesting the “AKJV Bible” is using it/them (answer “1a” – gets inserted here?),
which supposedly precludes the allowance for my interpretation in the “AKJV Bible” (as you seem to be suggesting)?

2) Thank you
3) First YOU need to convince me of your conclusion (as in a ref. to answering my questions 1a, & 1b) conclusively
before you have any chance of an admittance of any kind – such as you seem to be seeking against the “AKJV Bible”.

________________
Thank you
Ed J

[kerwin]

Ed,

A second person pronoun refers to those you are address while a third person refers to a person or group that is neither speaking or being addressed.

Psalm 49:1Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

1
Hear this, all ye people;
give ear, all ye inhabitants of the world:

Dictionary.com: Second person

the person used by a speaker in referring to the one or ones to whom he or she is speaking: in English you is a second person pronoun.

Psalm 49:3-5Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

3
My mouth shall speak of wisdom;
and the meditation of my heart shall be of understanding.
4
I will incline mine ear to a parable:
I will open my dark saying upon the harp.

5
Wherefore should I fear in the days of evil,
when the iniquity of my heels shall compass me about?

I and me are first person pronouns and reveals the writer is speaking of themselves though still addressing the same group as earlier.

Psalm 49:6-7Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

6
They that trust in their wealth,
and boast themselves in the multitude of their riches;
7
none of them can by any means redeem his brother,
nor give to God a ransom for him:

They, them, and him are all third person pronouns and reveals the group is outside of the direct conversation.
Dictionary.com: Third person

The pronoun “ye” is a second person pronoun which reveals the speaker is addressing them.
the person that is used by the speaker of an utterance in referring to anything or to anyone other than the speaker or the one or ones being addressed.

[kerwin]

Ed,

As a rule I believe all English version are corrupt in places as there translators did not reveal evidence of having the Spirit. Mostly that corruption is not an issue as the words can still be interpreted to express the truth.

In this case the words of the AV of the KJV seem more faithful to the flow of the original language.

[kerwin]

Ed,

They that trust in their wealth,
and boast themselves in the multitude of their riches;

This group is the only one spoken of in the third person previous to verse 7. Since there was introduction of another group spoken of in third person it follows they are the same group as spoken of in third person in verse 7.

Hear this, all ye people;
give ear, all ye inhabitants of the world:

This group is only spoken of in second person meaning it is the one being addressed. Second and not third or first person would be used to refer for the rest of the time it is addressed.

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