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John 6:57
57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me.This verse seems to say that we live because of Jesus and Jesus lives because of the Father.
So that would mean we cannot live apart from Jesus and Jesus could not live apart from the Father?
Would that be agreeing with this statement?:
John 5:26
26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,Hi sscott,
All life comes from God, the Source.
Nothing has life except from God.
“Acts 17:25
Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;”And that work was done by God through Christ.
“16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.”
Christ proceeded forth from God as the monogenes Son and was sent into the world.
“. 42Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.”
He was given to have life in himself and he also became the source of eternal life when the life Spirit of God was poured into him for him to baptise in the Spirit.
Rom 8
“Romans 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.”Here is another thread I was hoping to get a response from someone who believes in the Trinity.
John 5:26 says:
26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,Why does the Son need to have life granted to Him by the Father?
As I think i've mentioned to you previously Sscott, “zoe” very likely refers to eternal life, not the act of 'being alive'. And life “in himself” denotes eternal life to impart to others, not to recieve Himself. This exegesis explains the verse quite well, I think:
Bear in mind that Yahsua emptied himself to take on the form of a bond servant (Phil 2:6-7). That is why this authority was “granted to Him by the Father”….
Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 28 2006,02:59) As I think i've mentioned to you previously Sscott, “zoe” very likely refers to eternal life, not the act of 'being alive'. And life “in himself” denotes eternal life to impart to others, not to recieve Himself. This exegesis explains the verse quite well, I think: Bear in mind that Yahsua emptied himself to take on the form of a bond servant (Phil 2:6-7). That is why this authority was “granted to Him by the Father”….
One problem with that line of thinking is that Jesus calls his Father his God even after he has been filled again, (after emptying himself).He is now back in glory, seated at the right-hand of God and he is exhalted far above the highest heaven. But he still has a God and that God is the same God as our one.
You can't fight scripture. You cannot fight it with creed, Greek philosophy, or science. You can only agree with it and conform.
Acts 2:33
Exalted to the right hand of God, he has received from the Father the promised Holy Spirit and has poured out what you now see and hear,Revelation 1:1
The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place.
He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,Revelation 1:6
and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.Revelation 3:12
Him who overcomes I will make a pillar in the temple of my God.
Never again will he leave it.
I will write on him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on him my new name.These scriptures contradict the 3 in one co-equal God.
They say that the Father is God, even the God of Jesus his son.It's simple. He even created us to have sons and daughters, so it is not cryptic.
Jesus lives because of the Father, and we live because of the son and Father.
You live because of God, Christ, even your natural father.
There is no point trying to change the order of things. If God ordained it, then no fancy creed is going to change that.We are better off accepting the way God has ordained and made things. You or I cannot change truth, nor can an image become the source of himself. God is the source, Christ is the image of God. That too is scripture. A pot cannot tell the potter what he should do.
The son lives because of the Father.
Amen and amen.
Quote (Is 1:18 @ Nov. 27 2006,07:59) As I think i've mentioned to you previously Sscott, “zoe” very likely refers to eternal life, not the act of 'being alive'. And life “in himself” denotes eternal life to impart to others, not to recieve Himself. This exegesis explains the verse quite well, I think: Bear in mind that Yahsua emptied himself to take on the form of a bond servant (Phil 2:6-7). That is why this authority was “granted to Him by the Father”….
Hi Is 1.18
Indeed Zoe [2222] refers almost exclusively to eternal life.The Son was given to have this life.
All sons have life apart from their fathers.Living sons are also given eternal life.
As you imply he had life as a son before he was given this gift.
If not the Son would not have been a living son but have been dead.
Nobody believes the Son was dead when he was given eternal lifeSo Jn 5.26 surely means that we must come to the Son to receive what he received from God at his anointing, eternal life.
He has been granted to be the source of the life that originated with the Father.
The sons of God are united with God in the granted life [zoe]of the Son.Quote (sscott @ Nov. 20 2006,02:57) John 6:57
57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me.This verse seems to say that we live because of Jesus and Jesus lives because of the Father.
So that would mean we cannot live apart from Jesus and Jesus could not live apart from the Father?
Would that be agreeing with this statement?:
John 5:26
26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has granted the Son to have life in Himself,
Hi sscott,
Christ is the bread from heaven, the living word of God and feeding on scripture is essential food for those who have been reborn into the Son providing a matrix for the teaching of the Spirit of Christ within us so that we can grow up into him.2Peter 1
” 19We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: “It is the wisdom of God.
Lk 11
“Luke 11:49
Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute:”
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