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T,
i was under the impression that we were talking about the scroll of Geneses ?
You introduced the other four books of the Pentateuch into so I took it from there. The bottom line is that Scripture does not claim Moses wrote the book of Genesis or any of the other four. Claiming he did is a traditional teaching not a scriptural one.
K
do you understand ? do you really think that i believe that Moses wrote the end of his own live ? i wander why you brought it up in first place ,for that as nothing to do with Geneses and so you just deviate the conversation and that is make me tire ,
but that’s ok ,
T,
I was pointing out that despite what tradition said it may well be the same individual who wrote of the end of Moses’ life wrote of the rest of the first five books of Scripture. We do not know who wrote but that is not the important thing. It is important we believe what God says.
K
yes that is the question that you never or i never ear you say so do you believe that Genesis was God’s written word ?I do, about you ?
T,
I believe that all Scripture is useful for teaching, training in righteousness, rebuking, and correcting. I also believe prophecy was spoken by the prophets as they carried along by the Spirit.
There are many places where scribes put down what what they saw or what they heard. These parts are also deemed to be useful and inspired by God.
K
now you know why we are so different in our understanding ;and it will be impossible to a reconciliation for we are a mile apart,
so have a good day
Great GS, I am looking forward to it.
From an early church father, Barnabus, regarding who would be the ‘us’ in “Let US create man…:”
The Epistle of Barnabus 6:42
For the scripture saith concerning us, how He saith to the Son;
6:43 Let us make man after our image and after our likeness, and let them rule over the beasts of the earth and the fowls of the heaven and the fishes of the sea.6:44 And the Lord said when He saw the fair creation of us men ;
6:45 Increase and multiply and fill the earth.
6:46 These words refer to the Son.from: http://www.theologynetwork.org/historical-theology/getting-stuck-in/the-epistle-of-barnabas.htm
From another early church father and even martyr, Justin Martyr, we read that the ‘US’ refers to the Father and His offspring (the Word):
Chapter LXII.—The words “Let Us make man” agree with the testimony of Proverbs.
“And the same sentiment was expressed, my friends, by the word of God [written] by Moses, when it indicated to us, with regard to Him whom it has pointed out,2173 that God speaks in the creation of man with the very same design, in the following words: ‘Let Us make man after our image and likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the heaven, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over all the creeping things that creep on the earth. And God created man: after the image of God did He create him; male and female created He them. And God blessed them, and said, Increase and multiply, and fill the earth, and have power over it.’2174 And that you may not change the [force of the] words just quoted, and repeat what your teachers assert,—either that God said to Himself, ‘Let Us make,’ just as we, when about to do something, oftentimes say to ourselves, ‘Let us make;’ or that God spoke to the elements, to wit, the earth and other similar substances of which we believe man was formed, ‘Let Us make,’—I shall quote again the words narrated by Moses himself, from which we can indisputably learn that [God] conversed with some one who was numerically distinct from Himself, and also a rational Being. These are the words: ‘And God said, Behold, Adam has become as one of us, to know good and evil.’2175 In saying, therefore, ‘as one of us,’ [Moses] has declared that [there is a certain] number of persons associated with one another, and that they are at least two. For I would not say that the dogma of that heresy2176 which is said to be among you2177 is true, or that the teachers of it can prove that [God] spoke to angels, or that the human frame was the workmanship of angels.
- But this Offspring, which was truly brought forth from the Father, was with the Father before all the creatures, and the Father communed with Him;
even as the Scripture by Solomon has made clear, that He whom Solomon calls Wisdom, was begotten as a Beginning before all His creatures and as Offspring by God, who has also declared this same thing in the revelation made by Joshua the son of Nave (Nun). Listen, therefore, to the following from the book of Joshua, that what I say may become manifest to you; it is this: ‘And it came to pass, when Joshua was near Jericho, he lifted up his eyes, and sees a man standing over against him. And Joshua approached to Him, and said, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? And He said to him, I am Captain of the Lord’s host: now have I come. And Joshua fell on his face on the ground, and said to Him, Lord, what commandest Thou Thy servant? And the Lord’s Captain says to Joshua, Loose the shoes off thy feet; for the place whereon thou standest is holy ground. And Jericho was shut up and fortified, and no one went out of it. And the Lord said to Joshua, Behold, I give into thine hand Jericho, and its king, [and] its mighty men.’ ”2178
from: http://www.ccel.org/ccel/schaff/anf01.viii.iv.lxii.html?highlight=let,us,make,man#highlight
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