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T8,
If God made all things through the Word/Jesus Christ, then God was speaking to his Word & son by whom he made the universe.
That is a Trinitarian argument but it is pure speculation. A First Century Jewish belief is that God was speaking to his angels. There us no evidence I know of anyone who believed the Messiah was there though there is claims that it was made for him. Some even say only for him. It therefore sounds like a new teaching and new teachings are suspect as Jesus did not come to start a new religion.
Hi Lightenup.
Your analogy contradicts God’s own words.
Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is NO SAVIOUR.
Hosea 13:4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know NO GOD BUT ME: for there is NO SAVIOUR,beside
me. (NO SAVIOUR ***BESIDE*** ME)?Psalms 136:4 To him who ALONE doeth great wonders: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever.
Psalms 148:13 Let them praise the name of the LORD: for his name *ALONE* is excellent; his glory is above the earth and heaven.
(WHAT ABOUT THE NAME JESUS)?WHAT ABOUT THIS SCRIPTURE: Philippians 2:10 That at the name of JESUS every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
(WHAT ABOUT THE NAME JEHOVAH)?Isaiah 2:17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and **THE LORD ALONE** shall be exalted in that day.
Isaiah 37:16 O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even **THOU ALONE**, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made heaven and earth.(GETTING MORE CONFUSED,OR JUST PRETEND ALL IS FINE)?
Isaiah 63:3 I have trodden the WINEPRESS ALONE; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and THEIR BLOOD SHALL BE SPRINKLED UPON MY GARMENTS, and I will stain all my raiment.
(IS THAT NOT SUPPOSE TO BE JESUS)? REV 19.
Psalms 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.
(WHAT ABOUT THE NAME JESUS)?Psalms 86:10 For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: **THOU ART GOD ALONE**.
Still much to dig, to find the true answer. I am sure many are not there yet.
You need to go back before Jesus was born.wakeup.
T8,
For by Him all things were created, b
The Koine Greek word seems in every other case to mean “inside” whether inside a group, a country, or something else. There appears to be some exceptions such as how it is used in Matthew 3:17. The translators of the version you are looking at it as if it is used to denote instrumentality.
hi
think hard ,don’t talk but think;
Ge 1:27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;Col 1:15 He(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.
Col 1:16 For through him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisibledo you got it no ? think same more
gunstar54 wrote:Hello all,
Just joined the forum because it seemed there were some great discussions on here…Is this thread open to everyone? I’d be interested in participating on the plurality subject…
Hi gunstar54,
I have started a thread that may interest you:
Trinity and non-Trinity, can both views be correct? (Link to thread)___________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODEdj
I have started a thread that may interest you:
Trinity and non-Trinity, can both views be correct? (Link to thread)so what you try to sell here is THAT RIGHTEOUSNESS AND UNRIGHTEOUSNESS CAN BE EQUALLY BE ACCEPTED BY THE HOLINESS OF GOD ALMIGHTY?
I never read that in scriptures were can I find this Edj?
In my belief God (the existential personification of the I AM) delegates authority in his divine Sons who are the creators or “Fathers” of their respective universes. Jesus, aka Christ Michael, is our creator brother.
God delegates power and authority, else the devil could not have had such power and authority to abuse after he fell into sin and mislead the world.
God delegates powers and authority, else Jesus could not have achieved unquestioned sovereignty of his own co-creation.
God delegates power and authority, else man (who are also sons of God) could not have the conscious ability to choose God or forsake him, eternalize or destroy themselves.
hi spock
In my belief God (the existential personification of the I AM) delegates authority in his divine Sons who are the creators or “Fathers” of their respective universes. Jesus, aka Christ Michael, is our creator brother.
God delegates power and authority, else the devil could not have had such power and authority to abuse after he fell into sin and mislead the world.
God delegates powers and authority, else Jesus could not have achieved unquestioned sovereignty of his own co-creation.
God delegates power and authority, else man (who are also sons of God) could not have the conscious ability to choose God or forsake him, eternalize or destroy themselves.
I am sure this thoughts of your have been looked through intensively by you and so you found all this truth of yours in scriptures ,so would you like to share the scriptures back up of your ideas with us ,? thanks
Michael is in the book of revelation, he and his angels battled the devil and his angels. The devil was above man, brilliant according to Izaiah, he dared to fool the whole world.
Christ ascended into heaven with all power and authority given to him.
If you have a rational mind and can think for yourself you can figure it out on your own.
Chris
@wakeup
you said:Your analogy contradicts God’s own words.
I disagree that my analogy contradicts God’s own words. If I agreed then I would not hold on to my understanding. Let me demonstrate this to you in the verses that you wrote down as supposed evidence of contradiction:
Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is NO SAVIOUR.
Here, the LORD is the God of gods and the Lord of lords. We have one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ. The LORD is two persons.
Hosea 13:4 Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know NO GOD BUT ME: for there is NO SAVIOUR,beside
me. (NO SAVIOUR ***BESIDE*** ME)?Here also, the LORD is the God of gods and the Lord of lords. We have one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ. The LORD is two persons.
Psalms 136:4 To him who ALONE doeth great wonders: for HIS MERCY endureth for ever.
Here also, the LORD is the God of gods and the Lord of lords. We have one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ. The LORD is two persons.
Psalms 148:13 Let them praise the name of the LORD: for his name *ALONE* is excellent; his glory is above the earth and heaven.
(WHAT ABOUT THE NAME JESUS)?Here also, the LORD is the God of gods and the Lord of lords. We have one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ. The LORD is two persons.
WHAT ABOUT THIS SCRIPTURE: Philippians 2:10 That at the name of JESUS every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
(WHAT ABOUT THE NAME JEHOVAH)?Here also, the LORD is the God of gods and the Lord of lords. We have one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ. The LORD is two persons. This verse is speaking about one of the two persons specifically even though both are bowed down to ultimately. We see that in Rev 5.
Isaiah 2:17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men shall be made low: and **THE LORD ALONE** shall be exalted in that day.
Here also, the LORD is the God of gods and the Lord of lords. We have one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ. The LORD is two persons.
Isaiah 37:16 O LORD of hosts, God of Israel, that dwellest between the cherubims, thou art the God, even **THOU ALONE**, of all the kingdoms of the earth: thou hast made heaven and earth.(GETTING MORE CONFUSED,OR JUST PRETEND ALL IS FINE)?
Here also, the LORD is the God of gods and the Lord of lords. We have one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ. The LORD is two persons.
Isaiah 63:3 I have trodden the WINEPRESS ALONE; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and THEIR BLOOD SHALL BE SPRINKLED UPON MY GARMENTS, and I will stain all my raiment.
(IS THAT NOT SUPPOSE TO BE JESUS)? REV 19.Here also, the LORD is the God of gods and the Lord of lords. We have one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ. The LORD is two persons. Some things that are done are unique to one of the two persons as in this passage regarding who has blood sprinkled on His garments.
Psalms 83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.
(WHAT ABOUT THE NAME JESUS)?Here also, the LORD is the God of gods and the Lord of lords. We have one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ. The LORD is two persons.
Psalms 86:10 For thou art great, and doest wondrous things: **THOU ART GOD ALONE**.
Still much to dig, to find the true answer. I am sure many are not there yet.
You need to go back before Jesus was born.Here also, the LORD is the God of gods and the Lord of lords. We have one God, the Father and one Lord, Jesus Christ. The LORD is two persons.
I hope that helps! God bless!
so what you try to sell here is THAT RIGHTEOUSNESS AND UNRIGHTEOUSNESS CAN BE EQUALLY BE ACCEPTED BY THE HOLINESS OF GOD ALMIGHTY?
NO, that’s what you say.
In my belief God (the existential personification of the I AM) delegates authority in his divine Sons who are the creators or “Fathers” of their respective universes. Jesus, aka Christ Michael, is our creator brother.
God delegates power and authority, else the devil could not have had such power and authority to abuse after he fell into sin and mislead the world.
God delegates powers and authority, else Jesus could not have achieved unquestioned sovereignty of his own co-creation.
God delegates power and authority, else man (who are also sons of God) could not have the conscious ability to choose God or forsake him, eternalize or destroy themselves.
Hi Chris,
the ‘i am’ is the FALSE god of religion.
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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org _________________________________________________________________________________________________________
”Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.” – JEHOVAH GODedj
you say;
Trinity and non-Trinity, can both views be correct? (Link to thread)
I say;
so what you try to sell here is THAT RIGHTEOUSNESS AND UNRIGHTEOUSNESS CAN BE EQUALLY BE ACCEPTED BY THE HOLINESS OF GOD ALMIGHTY?
you say;
NO, that’s what you say.
and now i say you wrong and i am right because both cannot be right ; i am a bad politician ,it as to be like God black and withe
No, I’m just a disciple of Jesus, I don’t go to church. The Urantia revelation is my guide. Some things in the books that the Roman church used to make the Bible have value as well.
spock
Michael is in the book of revelation, he and his angels battled the devil and his angels. The devil was above man, brilliant according to Izaiah, he dared to fool the whole world.
Christ ascended into heaven with all power and authority given to him.
If you have a rational mind and can think for yourself you can figure it out on your own.
Chris
I know where it ‘s talk about Michael what i don’t know is how you come to the conclusion that he his Jesus the only begotten son of God ,so to me since MICHAEL IS ONE OF THE CHIEF ANGELS HE CANNOT BE THE ONLY SON OF GOD FOR THEIR IS ONLY ONE POSITION LIKE THAT ,GOT IT ?
T,
let make a test if they would be not from God it would be easy to spot and show the ridicule of the description of all events ,
You are jumping to conclusion because whether or not Moses wrote Genesis it can still come from God.
I am not sure why you reacted like that given I pointed out that as far as I know Moses is said in Scripture to have written the laws given by God and the current events and history in the book of Genesis are not laws. Scripture has many places where history or current events of that time are written.
spock
No, I’m just a disciple of Jesus, I don’t go to church. The Urantia revelation is my guide. Some things in the books that the Roman church used to make the Bible have value as well.
that’s bad news ;The Urantia revelation is my guidethis is not the book we here use ;you will find some in the unbeliever section that believe in that book ;
for your info we all know about the book ,
7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
Michael of revelation was not called an archangel.
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