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People should also remember that there were cultural differences back then. Many condemn the Bible, and Yahshua himself, because he did not teach against slavery. There seemed to be some time of “slaves” in the 1st century time, but it does not appear that they were slaves like we had in colonial times in the US. From the best I can tell, these people were willing servants or at least entered servitude because it actually gave them a better lot in life.
Quote (elaine1809 @ Aug. 13 2007,03:17) 
I HAVE ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT THE WAY WOMEN ARE VIEWED IN THE SCRIPTURES IS NOT RIGHT. CAN SOMEBODY CLARIFY ME HOW MUCH OF THIS VIEW IS RELEVANT TO OUR TIMES? I WAS READING 1 TIMOTHY LAST NIGHT AND IT REALLY BOTHER ME. THAT IS WHY I DONT LIKE TO READ SOME OF THE OLD TESTAMENT. I DONT LIKE THAT MEN WERE ALLOWED TO TREAT WOMEN LIKE POSSESSIONS. IF YOU KNOW WHY PLEASE SHARE IT WITH ME. I HAVE 4 DAUTHERS AND I HAVE TROUBLE TEACHING THEM THIS VIEW, I AM AFRAID THEY WILL QUESTION JEHOVA.IF IT IS RELEVANT IN OUR TIMES, HOW DO I EXPLAIN IT TO THEM AS TO NOT CAUSE THEM TO BE STUMBLE IN ANYWAY? THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP! 
I'm sorry el did I missunderstand?But your welcome!
You got it brother! Let's do that.
Father I ask in your Son's name for your truth. I ask for your forgiveness that we are sometimes stiff nicked and hard of hearing. We no longer want to be two on your word but one as your Son prayed. Help us through your Spirit to understand your word. Amen!
Amen 94?
94, Amen?
hi elane GOD can speak thru anyone even a donky,how could you be lower or higher,me believe this is all mens traditions,for jesus never spoke of this doctrine.if you are one in jesus and jesus is one with the father,than cant you hear from GOD as well as any man,therefore their is no sex male or female to GOD ,but only those who love him with their hole heart and follow him ,and those who dont!!!if you love GOD with all your heart you are better off than most men,and those men should sit in silence and learn,not that you should be a teacher, for their is only one teacher for us all ,and this is the father ,who is one with the son for he is the TRUTH.!!! he shall be your teacher,dont look to men ,but to him,the rightious KING.
Male and female created he them; and called their name Adam.
Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
Adam called the female from himself woman in seperate.
Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This [is] now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.Paul May understand; yet men still no not that they have co
Because of the fallen angels; It is possible for a woman to be taken by any Man; till the earth was even destroyed by their seed and giants were their children. Adultly against God; robbery of a brothers wholeness; oaths held write to Mans own flesh and bone
What God has joined let no Man separate; that is Male and female ;
And what man join May God separate. Man AND A woman
God Dose not join Light with darkness; Good seed with bad seed; in which no Law is righteous in his eyes
Mat 19:3 The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?
:4 And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made [them] at the beginning made them male and female,
:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 16 2007,14:03) You got it brother! Let's do that. Father I ask in your Son's name for your truth. I ask for your forgiveness that we are sometimes stiff nicked and hard of hearing. We no longer want to be two on your word but one as your Son prayed. Help us through your Spirit to understand your word. Amen!
Amen 94?
94, Amen?
So we don't agree on this issue either. So let's join hands in prayer asking God to show us what he wants in the church relative to women so that we can walk in unity and teach what he wants. Is that ok. If I am wrong, I want to be corrected so I can teach the truth. How about you?94, did you want to lead in prayer?
Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 16 2007,16:37) Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 16 2007,14:03) You got it brother! Let's do that. Father I ask in your Son's name for your truth. I ask for your forgiveness that we are sometimes stiff nicked and hard of hearing. We no longer want to be two on your word but one as your Son prayed. Help us through your Spirit to understand your word. Amen!
Amen 94?
94, Amen?
So we don't agree on this issue either. So let's join hands in prayer asking God to show us what he wants in the church relative to women so that we can walk in unity and teach what he wants. Is that ok. If I am wrong, I want to be corrected so I can teach the truth. How about you?94, did you want to lead in prayer?
Hi Ken:You have already prayed and I agree with your prayer. I am also praying in my secret closet on a daily basis, but here I will just pray that God will bless every member of this forum with revelation knowledge in the truth of His Word and that they would prosper in every way and be in good health.
God Bless
Quote (elaine1809 @ Aug. 16 2007,16:13) amen MIchael! Thank you!
Hi Elaine and Michaels:I agree with Michaels that the Word of God has no gender, but in a marrigiage relationship there are those matters that I have already addressed, and there is also the matter of being qualified to teach God's Word from a position of authority be it male or female.
Quote Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.God Bless
Not one of us want to faint before God thirsty and with out;
Let God bring the anointed before our path 94 from the day God comanded the sun to go down at noon and caught them in the deed with the body of Lord Jesus not yet buried for it written in their law that any one put to death should be buried before the sun goes down from then shall a great famine on earth beginAmo 8:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord GOD, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in the clear day:
:10 And I will turn your feasts into mourning, and all your songs into lamentation; and I will bring up sackcloth upon all loins, and baldness upon every head; and I will make it as the mourning of an only [son], and the end thereof as a bitter day.
11 ¶ Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:
:12 And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find [it].
:13 In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.
:14 They that swear by the sin of Samaria, and say, Thy god, O Dan, liveth; and, The manner of Beersheba liveth; even they shall fall, and never rise up again.1Cr 7:25 ¶ Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
:26 I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, , that [it is] good for a man so to be. :27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife. :28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.
29 But this I say, brethren, the time [is] short: it remaineth, that both they that have wives be as though they had none; :30 And they that weep, as though they wept not; and they that rejoice, as though they rejoiced not; and they that buy, as though they possessed not; :31 And they that use this world, as not abusing [it]: for the fashion of this world passeth away.surly it is a better hope now for us to born nearing the end?
Quote (942767 @ Aug. 17 2007,12:09) Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 16 2007,16:37) Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 16 2007,14:03) You got it brother! Let's do that. Father I ask in your Son's name for your truth. I ask for your forgiveness that we are sometimes stiff nicked and hard of hearing. We no longer want to be two on your word but one as your Son prayed. Help us through your Spirit to understand your word. Amen!
Amen 94?
94, Amen?
So we don't agree on this issue either. So let's join hands in prayer asking God to show us what he wants in the church relative to women so that we can walk in unity and teach what he wants. Is that ok. If I am wrong, I want to be corrected so I can teach the truth. How about you?94, did you want to lead in prayer?
Hi Ken:You have already prayed and I agree with your prayer. I am also praying in my secret closet on a daily basis, but here I will just pray that God will bless every member of this forum with revelation knowledge in the truth of His Word and that they would prosper in every way and be in good health.
God Bless
Of course we pray in our prayer closet there is nothing sweater then that personal fellowship one gets in his prayer closet.I guess I misunderstood I took let's join hands and pray meaning to openly pray that we would be one in His will and word. If you prayed I wouldn't know until now…I never did get an Amen.
To be honest I thought was rude. You didn't acknowledge the prayer until now. But whatever.
In His Name And Love,
Ken
Hello Elaine
Something my great grandmother used to say. “Your damed if you do and your damed if you don't”.
The issue of should women be pastors of a church was a big one for me as I was attending a church with a female pastor who's husband was not a happy man. I didn't want to be disobedient or rebellious, but when my husband stopped going because he felt that it wasn't right I didn't stop and felt justified by my Pastor and other Christians showing me in Scripture where there was reason to believe it was ok for women to hold this position, and that Paul's writings are misunderstood often in regards to this. But I continued for the next 5 years attending a church on my own while my husband became more and more frustrated with what he saw as disobedience to God.
But the more I understood through prayer and reading the Word with The Holy Spirit as council, the clearer it became, that there are very specific reasons why Paul said what he did, and yes there was the cultural aspect, the Law, obligations in the home, ect much like today..some denominations say yes some say no, lot's of them magnify one part like women should not cut their hair and should cover their heads, others don't mind what women do with their hair…There's a bit of the Law in every church, but no denomination has the whole law, so I am now no longer so concerned with this issue because I know when it comes down to it we are not perfect but far from it how can every denomination
be right and wrong? so what my gran said was right, but in our eyes only when we judge each other and use Scripture to prove our point.
I am saved by Grace not by the length of my hair.
God blessQuote (kenrch @ Aug. 17 2007,14:28) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 17 2007,12:09) Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 16 2007,16:37) Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 16 2007,14:03) You got it brother! Let's do that. Father I ask in your Son's name for your truth. I ask for your forgiveness that we are sometimes stiff nicked and hard of hearing. We no longer want to be two on your word but one as your Son prayed. Help us through your Spirit to understand your word. Amen!
Amen 94?
94, Amen?
So we don't agree on this issue either. So let's join hands in prayer asking God to show us what he wants in the church relative to women so that we can walk in unity and teach what he wants. Is that ok. If I am wrong, I want to be corrected so I can teach the truth. How about you?94, did you want to lead in prayer?
Hi Ken:You have already prayed and I agree with your prayer. I am also praying in my secret closet on a daily basis, but here I will just pray that God will bless every member of this forum with revelation knowledge in the truth of His Word and that they would prosper in every way and be in good health.
God Bless
Of course we pray in our prayer closet there is nothing sweater then that personal fellowship one gets in his prayer closet.I guess I misunderstood I took let's join hands and pray meaning to openly pray that we would be one in His will and word. If you prayed I wouldn't know until now…I never did get an Amen.
To be honest I thought was rude. You didn't acknowledge the prayer until now. But whatever.
In His Name And Love,
Ken
Hi Ken:Please forgive me for not acknowledging your prayer and adding my Amen to it. Sometimes I can make a mistake, and so, I guess this is one of those times, and any time that you see that I have made a mistake please let me know.
God Bless
Quote (942767 @ Aug. 18 2007,00:56) Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 17 2007,14:28) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 17 2007,12:09) Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 16 2007,16:37) Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 16 2007,14:03) You got it brother! Let's do that. Father I ask in your Son's name for your truth. I ask for your forgiveness that we are sometimes stiff nicked and hard of hearing. We no longer want to be two on your word but one as your Son prayed. Help us through your Spirit to understand your word. Amen!
Amen 94?
94, Amen?
So we don't agree on this issue either. So let's join hands in prayer asking God to show us what he wants in the church relative to women so that we can walk in unity and teach what he wants. Is that ok. If I am wrong, I want to be corrected so I can teach the truth. How about you?94, did you want to lead in prayer?
Hi Ken:You have already prayed and I agree with your prayer. I am also praying in my secret closet on a daily basis, but here I will just pray that God will bless every member of this forum with revelation knowledge in the truth of His Word and that they would prosper in every way and be in good health.
God Bless
Of course we pray in our prayer closet there is nothing sweater then that personal fellowship one gets in his prayer closet.I guess I misunderstood I took let's join hands and pray meaning to openly pray that we would be one in His will and word. If you prayed I wouldn't know until now…I never did get an Amen.
To be honest I thought was rude. You didn't acknowledge the prayer until now. But whatever.
In His Name And Love,
Ken
Hi Ken:Please forgive me for not acknowledging your prayer and adding my Amen to it. Sometimes I can make a mistake, and so, I guess this is one of those times, and any time that you see that I have made a mistake please let me know.
God Bless
NOoooooooo! Just who do you think you are! Making a mistake! Don't you know God's children don't make mistakes!Of course I forgive you BRO!
Ken
Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 18 2007,01:09) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 18 2007,00:56) Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 17 2007,14:28) Quote (942767 @ Aug. 17 2007,12:09) Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 16 2007,16:37) Quote (kenrch @ Aug. 16 2007,14:03) You got it brother! Let's do that. Father I ask in your Son's name for your truth. I ask for your forgiveness that we are sometimes stiff nicked and hard of hearing. We no longer want to be two on your word but one as your Son prayed. Help us through your Spirit to understand your word. Amen!
Amen 94?
94, Amen?
So we don't agree on this issue either. So let's join hands in prayer asking God to show us what he wants in the church relative to women so that we can walk in unity and teach what he wants. Is that ok. If I am wrong, I want to be corrected so I can teach the truth. How about you?94, did you want to lead in prayer?
Hi Ken:You have already prayed and I agree with your prayer. I am also praying in my secret closet on a daily basis, but here I will just pray that God will bless every member of this forum with revelation knowledge in the truth of His Word and that they would prosper in every way and be in good health.
God Bless
Of course we pray in our prayer closet there is nothing sweater then that personal fellowship one gets in his prayer closet.I guess I misunderstood I took let's join hands and pray meaning to openly pray that we would be one in His will and word. If you prayed I wouldn't know until now…I never did get an Amen.
To be honest I thought was rude. You didn't acknowledge the prayer until now. But whatever.
In His Name And Love,
Ken
Hi Ken:Please forgive me for not acknowledging your prayer and adding my Amen to it. Sometimes I can make a mistake, and so, I guess this is one of those times, and any time that you see that I have made a mistake please let me know.
God Bless
NOoooooooo! Just who do you think you are! Making a mistake! Don't you know God's children don't make mistakes!Of course I forgive you BRO!
Ken
Hi Ken:Thanks brother for forgiving me, and isn't it wonderful that our Heavenly Father does not condemn us when we make one if we acknowledge it with a repentant heart for the blood of Jesus has made this an assurance.
Quote John 8:35 And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. 36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed. God Bless
Quote (Debra @ Aug. 17 2007,19:44) Hello Elaine Something my great grandmother used to say. “Your damed if you do and your damed if you don't”.
The issue of should women be pastors of a church was a big one for me as I was attending a church with a female pastor who's husband was not a happy man. I didn't want to be disobedient or rebellious, but when my husband stopped going because he felt that it wasn't right I didn't stop and felt justified by my Pastor and other Christians showing me in Scripture where there was reason to believe it was ok for women to hold this position, and that Paul's writings are misunderstood often in regards to this. But I continued for the next 5 years attending a church on my own while my husband became more and more frustrated with what he saw as disobedience to God.
But the more I understood through prayer and reading the Word with The Holy Spirit as council, the clearer it became, that there are very specific reasons why Paul said what he did, and yes there was the cultural aspect, the Law, obligations in the home, ect much like today..some denominations say yes some say no, lot's of them magnify one part like women should not cut their hair and should cover their heads, others don't mind what women do with their hair…There's a bit of the Law in every church, but no denomination has the whole law, so I am now no longer so concerned with this issue because I know when it comes down to it we are not perfect but far from it how can every denomination
be right and wrong? so what my gran said was right, but in our eyes only when we judge each other and use Scripture to prove our point.
I am saved by Grace not by the length of my hair.
God bless
Debra – you have a wise Grandmother! I think a bit of her wisdom has rubbed off onto you, too!Ha…..I love this……”…saved by grace, not the length of my hair.” That should be a bumper sticker or something.
Have a great weekend, sister!
Quote (Debra @ Aug. 17 2007,19:44) Hello Elaine Something my great grandmother used to say. “Your damed if you do and your damed if you don't”.
The issue of should women be pastors of a church was a big one for me as I was attending a church with a female pastor who's husband was not a happy man. I didn't want to be disobedient or rebellious, but when my husband stopped going because he felt that it wasn't right I didn't stop and felt justified by my Pastor and other Christians showing me in Scripture where there was reason to believe it was ok for women to hold this position, and that Paul's writings are misunderstood often in regards to this. But I continued for the next 5 years attending a church on my own while my husband became more and more frustrated with what he saw as disobedience to God.
But the more I understood through prayer and reading the Word with The Holy Spirit as council, the clearer it became, that there are very specific reasons why Paul said what he did, and yes there was the cultural aspect, the Law, obligations in the home, ect much like today..some denominations say yes some say no, lot's of them magnify one part like women should not cut their hair and should cover their heads, others don't mind what women do with their hair…There's a bit of the Law in every church, but no denomination has the whole law, so I am now no longer so concerned with this issue because I know when it comes down to it we are not perfect but far from it how can every denomination
be right and wrong? so what my gran said was right, but in our eyes only when we judge each other and use Scripture to prove our point.
I am saved by Grace not by the length of my hair.
God bless
Hi Debra:Although you may value the advice of your grandmother, God has indicated that the head of a married Christian woman is her husband. It doesn't mean that your husband cannot make a mistake, but what I have learned is that the way to come into unity is to discuss your differences with your husband, maybe even letting him know what granny has said, and then asking God in prayer for revelation knowledge in his Word regarding the issue in question rather than simply taking granny's advice.
God Bless
Hi 94
Believe me, my husband and I do discuss issues regarding our sometime different understanding of what Scripture is saying, he knows my grans words, and also agrees that sometimes it's exactly that way, particularly when you check out the different denominations as we did for awhile when we were looking for a church. I remember we went to a church one Sunday on the Motorbike, so I was wearing my gear, when we walked in I got a shock everywomen even the young ones wore a head scarf and a long skirt or dress no makeup, they all looked the same. We were greeted kindly, the people smiled at us, the service was good, not on fire but meaty. After the service however, one of the men came up to us and introduced himself, then proceeded to tell me I was bringing shame to my husband by dressing in jeans and not covering my head.
We didn't go back there,
The gap in our understanding isn't as wide as it was in the beginning. But if I don't agree with him on something am I to stay silent and except how he sees it,despite the way I do? We have to discuss these things to continue together as man and wife, we have come together in agreement on many Scriptures over the years due to not staying silent. .I know we're not always going to agree, but we grow more and more each time we do talk about what we disagree on.
God blessQuote (Debra @ Aug. 21 2007,14:37) Hi 94
Believe me, my husband and I do discuss issues regarding our sometime different understanding of what Scripture is saying, he knows my grans words, and also agrees that sometimes it's exactly that way, particularly when you check out the different denominations as we did for awhile when we were looking for a church. I remember we went to a church one Sunday on the Motorbike, so I was wearing my gear, when we walked in I got a shock everywomen even the young ones wore a head scarf and a long skirt or dress no makeup, they all looked the same. We were greeted kindly, the people smiled at us, the service was good, not on fire but meaty. After the service however, one of the men came up to us and introduced himself, then proceeded to tell me I was bringing shame to my husband by dressing in jeans and not covering my head.
We didn't go back there,
The gap in our understanding isn't as wide as it was in the beginning. But if I don't agree with him on something am I to stay silent and except how he sees it,despite the way I do? We have to discuss these things to continue together as man and wife, we have come together in agreement on many Scriptures over the years due to not staying silent. .I know we're not always going to agree, but we grow more and more each time we do talk about what we disagree on.
God bless
Hi Debra:God has given the man in a Christian the responsibility for teaching his family the Word of God, but one cannot teach someone if they do not want to be taught. But if I through the scriptures show my wife what God has said, and she chooses not to do it I have fulfilled my responsibility. I can live my life as an example and pray for her, but if she chooses to go her own way then she is not under my covering.
While it is true that a man who is striving to obey the Word of God can misinterpret the Word of God, the responsibility still lies with him to seek out the truth and to ask God to correct him if he is wrong. If you disagree with him, then you should go to him with respect telling him how you understand the particular or scripture or scriptures different than he, and then you should go to God in prayer asking God to show you what he intended by the scripture or scriptures in question so that you can walk in unity. Unless he is teaching something that is totally contrary to the Word of God, you should not rebel and go your own way, but submit until you get an answer from God.
Debra, I have made many mistakes, and I have had to learn some hard lessons, and so I am not condemning you, but offering you this advice out my love for you and your husband. You cannot have two heads in the same Christian household and have unity.
Jesus said:
Quote Mt 12:25
And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:God Bless
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