Last days

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Hi all. Thanks for your post Theodore, I'm sorry. I got delayed elsewhere.

Good posts all. Good thing's writen here. Your all so right. The important thing is not to be asleep, and not to be distracted with the cares of the world. And also not to be too comfortable.

I was thinking lately. All this scriptural debate that goes on – elsewhere here, my mind went completly blank and tired. And I remembered how I used to be – before all that. And I was really awake. Being awake is important and I pray I can get back to how I was.

I had this going through my head weeks ago, and I didn't know what it meant…

`The prophecy of the wise will be wicked. The prophecy of the wise will be one.

I read another poster on another forum posted the following the other day, I hope I'm allowed to quote him?

He said…

“What I have learned, I cannot teach. I can just point you to Jesus. His words are alive, but only a child can see them. The wise cannot.”

How true. Is it linked? He was actually talking about the Ten Maidens parable.

With the oil and the parable I was thinking. Your light is not to be hidden. What fuels the light is the Holy Spirit. So, the way I see it is, maybe, in the last days there will be a famine, not of food – as some people think – there is but this is something else. It will be a famine of the word of God. Well, today we have Bibles all over the World and Churches everywhere and it's growing and growing.

I read someone say that the Holy Spirit (he who restrains) will be 'taken out of the way' – So that would mean that there could be fewer and fewer people true people left in the world with the Holy Spirit in them. So, without the influence of the Holy Spirit, then sin will get worse and worse. And that's what it says will happen when 'he who restrains is taken out of the way' The Man of sin will be revealed.

I believe in the 'dualty – I think it's called – of scripture. For everything that is said to happen, it happens on a smaller scale then on a larger scale. So what happened in Jerusalem in 70 AD will happen again to the whole world in the end.
Just like the 'man of sin'. This has been seen in individuals throughout history, and to anyone who is bad. However I believe there will be an actual man of sin – evil in full manifestation in one man – in the end.

Please pray that I can get back into this like I used to be.

June 19, 2011 at 11:34 am#249024

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Mark: I think that last post was you? You so eloquently wrote the truth pertaining to works and deeds,….

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your faith isn't from your deeds, your deeds are from your faith, which if you have genuine faith, you will most gladly do. It separates the “doers” from the “sayers”.Also the wicked do bad deeds. The good do virtuous deeds. God knows which is which because he sees everything.

Very well put. IMO!

I want you to know that I agree with you that God is going to destroy evil (beliefs)! Gods words will destroy wrong thinking. Sin/error thinking will be burned like with fire. Good and bad thinking has grown together for many years. Now the wrong thinking or bad, evil, destructive thinking it is being burned away by the truth from God. Lies, devils, deceptions, and man made doctrines apart from God are being cast out of individuals by the truth entering in. When light comes the darkness must leave.

This is the wrath of God being poured out on mankind to destroy the untruth and leave the truth of perfection in the earth. There is a mighty war going on now, it is the Truth of God against the lies and deceptions of religion/mankind. God/Jesus/The Truth doesn't kill and destroy it admonishes, corrects and teaches those who will humble themselves to receive!

Here is a famous “end-time” scripture, tainted for accuracy by paraphrase!

Matt.Chap.24….Jesus went out and departed from the Temple…the disciples came to him for to show HIM the buildings of the temple. V2….Jesus said see these things (the temple buildings)….I say there shall not be left one stone upon another that shall not be thrown down.
V3…and as he sat upon the mount of Olivies (directly across from the temple) the disciples came to him privately saying, Tell us, when shall these things be (the tearing down of the temple buildings) what shall be the sign (of this) coming and the end of the (current religious) world?

Three questions to Jesus leading up to the temple buidings being destroyed which would end the dominant Jewish religious reign!

V14…the gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world…and then shall the end come…(see 1Cor.10:11)
V15….when you see the abomination of desolation (or the abomination which maketh desolate) let him who…..(I believe the abomination which maketh desolate is when they saw the lord God master of the universe, Jesus, crucified! (This desolated the physical temple of brick and mortar)…

…V34…Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled!

The end of the brick and mortar temple buildings came at approx. 70AD! The Kingdom of God was fully developed by that time yet there was tremendous persecution from ot/Jews against the NT/Christians. They knew their religious order was falling apart. The doctrines of Jesus tore down the old temple structure and is rebuilding the NewTestament Temple within each person that receives. Jesus' doctrines changed the temple of brick and mortar to the Temple made without hands, us receiving Gods words from Jesus. The monumental switch from a powerful old testament religious order that was commanding and demanding from people to a New Testament Temple made without hands. The new temple is made with Gods words through Jesus and accepted inside mankind.

In this new Temple, new Church, new body of Christ is the light of Jesus and the power of God which is love to all. There is now no physical, Jew, no Gentile, no Israel, no new or old Jerusalem, no temple built by man. Each person has God within and without to learn and know his love and truth. God does not tell you what to do or not do. God does not control your life. You establish your own life, your way, the way you want to live it. If you want peace love and joy and all the fruit of the spirit then sow God into the earth. Whatever you sow that also shall you reap! God bless you and your diligent search for Truth/God. You are a warrior for God. IMO, TK

June 19, 2011 at 11:45 am#249025

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For all: The last days reffered to by Jesus were always reffering to the switch of the covenants. The last days of the old testament as compared to the good news gospel of Christ in the new testament.

The last day is the last moments a person has just before accepting the Father, Son and Holy Spirit within for their salvation from evil.

Entering into the eternal word of God is entering into life and leaving death behind. When accepting the truth from God one is only accepting life, peace with God, forgiveness, joy in the holy ghost, love, holiness, cleanliness, righteousness and perfection. The gospel is good/God news! When one hears it and accepts it, it feels good. With love, TK

June 19, 2011 at 11:50 am#249026

Ed J

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Hi Tim,

What are evil beliefs?
And what is wrong thinking?

I'm not asking for examples, I'm asking you to define the ideas.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

June 19, 2011 at 12:07 pm#249031

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Tim, so what is `outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth in your opinion?

Ed – what do you think?

June 19, 2011 at 1:07 pm#249038

Ed J

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Quote (Rena @ June 19 2011,23:07)

Tim, so what is `outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth in your opinion?

Ed – what do you think?

Hi Rena,

I will be glad to answer you, but not until Tim does!

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org
PS. If you can't wait, PM me; OK?
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June 20, 2011 at 9:41 am#249233

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Quote (Ed J @ June 19 2011,22:50)

Hi Tim,

What are evil beliefs?
And what is wrong thinking?

I'm not asking for examples, I'm asking you to define the ideas.

God bless
Ed J
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed: Evil beliefs are a person believing he is evil. Like sin is believing that you are in sin or that you are a sinner. These are condemning judgments that a misguided individual places against themselves, thereby blocking or hindering the power of love.

Evil beliefs are anything you deem to be evil that is true to you.
Belief in death is an evil belief!
Belief in sin is an evil belief!
A belief that conemns your heart is an evil belief!

Wrong thinking is any thinking that does not align with God.
Believing in evil is wrong thinking.
Believing in sin is wrong thinking.
God is truth. IMO, TK

June 20, 2011 at 10:03 am#249236

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Quote (Rena @ June 19 2011,23:07)

Tim, so what is `outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth in your opinion?

Ed – what do you think?

Rena: I see God as ONE source of life. All life that exists is from God and in God. This is the truth. God is truth. God is life, light, truth, good!

Light is forever, eternal. When light is misunderstood or distorted, bend, tainted, etc., a shadow is created or darkness. When light is blocked, it still exists yet the blockage causes darkness, a distortion of light.

Truth is forever God. Truth is eternal. Lies are truth distorted. When truth is distorted and misaligned it nullifies the power of pure God/truth.

Nothing changes the eternal God truth yet there are lies and deceptions that cover and distort the truth. This is the outer darkness where those minds that do not align with God exist.

This is also the hell referred to in the Bible. Outer darkness is where God is not recognized properly. A man can believe what he chooses to believe even if it doesn't align with God. He will abide or live in that which he chooses to believe.

We have allowed death and destruction which is sickness and disease to come into the Temple of God and defile the temple.
Through religious deceptions we have believed lies that it might be God will. That is not true. We created our own hell of weeping and gnashing of teeth.

He who overcomes the lies wins the prize. Perfect union with God.

Once more outer darkness is not really “outside” of God who is everywhere. Outer darkness is separation or misalignment of truth in the mind about God. IMO, TK

June 20, 2011 at 12:17 pm#249241

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Tim, I have learnt a lot off reading some of your posts. There is happyness and joy in them – and I believe that anyone who has a good spirit has some real truth in what they say. But as were only human we also have error. Same to you Ed.

How I see `the outer darkness,

I believe that MAYBE there are two types of `outer darkness. Or two different TIMES of outer darkness.

Sort of like the first judgment was on the Jews in 70AD and the next will be on the World. (A type of dualism).

I do know the Bible said what would happen to the Hebrews if they didn't obey God. Though I haven't looked at it much.

Theres more to this but i'll keep it short.

June 20, 2011 at 6:56 pm#249260

Ed J

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Hi Rena,

It pleases me that you can also see the truth that Tim holds!
The wording that Tim uses can sometime invariably be misconstrued.

In any case I have been trying to help Tim in his delivery.
But 'pride' sometimes gets in the way of seeing my intentions.

Tim is correct: 'outer darkness' is not a place away from God,
but a place away from God's correction! … which “is the Light”(117)

(117)יהוה האלהים is the light. (See 1John 1:5)

Matt 4:16-17 The people which sat in darkness saw great light;
and to them which sat in the region and shadow of death light is sprung up.
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

June 21, 2011 at 6:19 am#249331

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Ed, I understand what your saying.

My point is this though,

I come from Hebrew decent. Maybe full. Most of my life was not nice, I created my own misery. And I wept for myself and I was in darkness is how I always described it.

Later God dealt with me, and I saw God in a much different light. God became real to me. I had always believed in God but God felt distant. The change was God felt near. My weeping stopped. I haven't wept in years only tears of love and joy for others. Or if I see people suffer that makes me weep but it's different.

Everything was good but I had this habit of `clenching my teeth in my sleep. I would wake up and I was scared I would break my teeth it was so bad!

God took me away from my ex partner and I obeyed and on my own everything worked out good. But theres something I noticed. I no longer clench my teeth in my sleep. I havent since I left my ex – 9 months ago.

It made me think of the `gnashing of teeth. The weeping had stopped but I just had to do one last thing for the other to go.

Trust me in the past whenever I left my ex I would be fearfull. I couldn't sleep etc. I didn't have God then so it was different where now I have no fear and God is with me.

But theres some people who don't seem to experience this. They have a good life, own lot's of thing's, and everything seem's to go well. Even if they don't believe in God or do believe in God but don't truly follow.

In Deuteronomy 28 is the Blessings and Curses for disobediance for Isreal.

Curses for disobediance

15 'And it hath been, if thou dost not hearken unto the voice of Jehovah thy God to observe to do all His commands, and His statutes, which I am commanding thee to-day, that all these revilings have come upon thee, and overtaken thee:

16 Cursed art thou in the city, and cursed art thou in the field.

17 Cursed is thy basket and thy kneading-trough.

18 Cursed is the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, increase of thine oxen, and wealth of thy flock.

19 Cursed art thou in thy coming in, and cursed art thou in thy going out.

20 Jehovah doth send on thee the curse, the trouble, and the rebuke, in every putting forth of thy hand which thou dost, till thou art destroyed, and till thou perish hastily, because of the evil of thy doings by which thou hast forsaken Me. 21 'Jehovah doth cause to cleave to thee the pestilence, till He consume thee from off the ground whither thou art going in to possess it. 22 'Jehovah doth smite thee with consumption, and with fever, and with inflammation, and with extreme burning, and with sword, and with blasting, and with mildew, and they have pursued thee till thou perish 23 And thy heavens which are over thy head have been brass, and the earth which is under thee iron; 24 Jehovah giveth the rain of thy land — dust and ashes; from the heavens it cometh down on thee till thou art destroyed.

25 'Jehovah giveth thee smitten before thine enemies; in one way thou goest out unto them, and in seven ways dost flee before them, and thou hast been for a trembling to all kingdoms of the earth; 26 and thy carcase hath been for food to every fowl of the heavens, and to the beast of the earth, and there is none causing trembling.

27 'Jehovah doth smite thee with the ulcer of Egypt, and with emerods, and with scurvy, and with itch, of which thou art not able to be healed. 28 'Jehovah doth smite thee with madness, and with blindness, and with astonishment of heart; 29 and thou hast been gropling at noon, as the blind gropeth in darkness; and thou dost not cause thy ways to prosper; and thou hast been only oppressed and plundered all the days, and there is no saviour. 30 'A woman thou dost betroth, and another man doth lie with her; a house thou dost build, and dost not dwell in it; a vineyard thou dost plant, and dost not make it common; 31 thine ox is slaughtered before thine eyes, and thou dost not eat of it; thine ass is taken violently away from before thee, and it is not given back to thee; thy sheep are given to thine enemies, and there is no saviour for thee.

32 Thy sons and thy daughters are given to another people, and thine eyes are looking and consuming for them all the day, and thy hand is not to God! 33 The fruit of thy ground, and all thy labour, eat up doth a people whom thou hast not known; and thou hast been only oppressed and bruised all the days; 34 and thou hast been mad, because of the sight of thine eyes which thou dost see. 35 'Jehovah doth smite thee with an evil ulcer, on the knees, and on the legs (of which thou art not able to be healed), from the sole of thy foot even unto thy crown. 36 'Jehovah doth cause thee to go, and thy king whom thou raisest up over thee, unto a nation which thou hast not known, thou and thy fathers, and thou hast served there other gods, wood and stone; 37 and thou hast been for an astonishment, for a simile, and for a byword among all the peoples whither Jehovah doth lead thee.

38 'Much seed thou dost take out into the field, and little thou dost gather in, for the locust doth consume it; 39 vineyards thou dost plant, and hast laboured, and wine thou dost not drink nor gather, for the worm doth consume it; 40 olives are to thee in all thy border, and oil thou dost not pour out, for thine olive doth fall off. 41 'Sons and daughters thou dost beget, and they are not with thee, for they go into captivity; 42 all thy trees and the fruit of thy ground doth the locust possess; 43 the sojourner who is in thy midst goeth up above thee very high, and thou goest down very low; 44 he doth lend to thee, and thou dost not lend to him; he is for head, and thou art for tail.

45 'And come upon thee have all these curses, and they have pursued thee, and overtaken thee, till thou art destroyed, because thou hast not hearkened to the voice of Jehovah thy God, to keep His commands, and His statutes, which he hath commanded thee; 46 and they have been on thee for a sign and for a wonder, also on thy seed — to the age.

47 'Because that thou hast not served Jehovah thy God with joy, and with gladness of heart, because of the abundance of all things — 48 thou hast served thine enemies, whom Jehovah sendeth against thee, in hunger, and in thirst, and in nakedness, and in lack of all things; and he hath put a yoke of iron on thy neck, till He hath destroyed thee.

49 'Jehovah doth lift up against thee a nation, from afar, from the end of the earth, as the eagle it flieth; a nation whose tongue thou hast not heard, 50 a nation — fierce of countenance — which accepteth not the face of the aged, and the young doth not favour; 51 and it hath eaten the fruit of thy cattle, and the fruit of thy ground, till thou art destroyed; which leaveth not to thee corn, new wine, and oil, increase of thine oxen, and wealth of thy flock, till it hath destroyed thee. 52 'And it hath laid siege to thee in all thy gates, till thy walls come down, the high and the fenced ones in which thou art trusting, in all thy land; yea, it hath laid siege to thee in all thy gates, in all thy land, which Jehovah thy God hath given to thee; 53 and thou hast eaten the fruit of thy body, flesh of thy sons and thy daughters (whom Jehovah thy God hath given to thee), in the siege, and in the straitness with which thine enemies do straiten thee.

54 The man who is tender in thee, and who is very delicate — his eye is evil against his brother, and against the wife of his bosom, and against the remnant of his sons whom he leaveth, 55 against giving to one of them of the flesh of his sons whom he eateth, because he hath nothing left to him, in the siege, and in the straitness with which thine enemy doth straiten thee in all thy gates. 56 'The tender woman in thee, and the delicate, who hath not tried the sole of her foot to place on the ground because of delicateness and becau
se of tenderness — her eye is evil against the husband of her bosom, and against her son, and against her daughter, 57 and against her seed which cometh out from between her feet, even against her sons whom she doth bear, for she doth eat them for the lacking of all things in secret, in the siege and in the straitness with which thine enemy doth straiten thee within thy gates.

58 'If thou dost not observe to do all the words of this law which are written in this book, to fear this honoured and fearful name — Jehovah thy God — 59 then hath Jehovah made wonderful thy strokes, and the strokes of thy seed — great strokes, and stedfast, and evil sicknesses, and stedfast. 60 'And He hath brought back on thee all the diseases of Egypt, of the presence of which thou hast been afraid, and they have cleaved to thee; 61 also every sickness and every stroke which is not written in the book of this law; Jehovah doth cause them to go up upon thee till thou art destroyed, 62 and ye have been left with few men, instead of which ye have been as stars of the heavens for multitude, because thou hast not hearkened to the voice of Jehovah thy God. 63 'And it hath been, as Jehovah hath rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you, so doth Jehovah rejoice over you to destroy you, and to lay you waste; and ye have been pulled away from off the ground whither thou art going in to possess it;

64 And Jehovah hath scattered thee among all the peoples, from the end of the earth even unto the end of the earth; and thou hast served there other gods which thou hast not known, thou and thy fathers — wood and stone. 65 'And among those nations thou dost not rest, yea, there is no resting-place for the sole of thy foot, and Jehovah hath given to thee there a trembling heart, and failing of eyes, and grief of soul; 66 and thy life hath been hanging in suspense before thee, and thou hast been afraid by night and by day, and dost not believe in thy life; 67 in the morning thou sayest, O that it were evening! and in the evening thou sayest, O that it were morning! from the fear of thy heart, with which thou art afraid, and from the sight of thine eyes which thou seest. 68 'And Jehovah hath brought thee back to Egypt with ships, by a way of which I said to thee, Thou dost not add any more to see it, and ye have sold yourselves there to thine enemies, for men-servants and for maid-servants, and there is no buyer.'

And then Jesus mentions the outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

June 21, 2011 at 10:15 am#249359

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Thanks for the reminder. This has all happened (the turning away from God) and the separateness from God, and the turning to The King of Memphis(egypt) and slavery to evil (the last passage 68 above). Now it seems the plagues of Egypt are coming soon. This is being fulfilled before our eyes. God will keep us safe. Love you Shimmer-Me

June 21, 2011 at 10:32 am#249364

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Rena: Some possible thoughts of truth. If you are going to read the ot wrath scriptures at least know that this is a new day of the lord when God promised he would see our sin no more. This is the day of blessing. Jesus took the curse for us. Salvation is from any belief in a curse from God. Sin has been taken away. In my opinion that means, thinking that we are in sin, have sin or just do a sin, is incorrect thinking. For there to be sin there must be judgment/condemnation. There is therefore now no condemnation for those saved in Christ. Judgment now is up to you. Jesus said, Judge not, LEST ye be judged.You control your own judgment.

The words of Christ have judged you as pure and perfect. That is the word of God judging in the last day. If you accept his judgment of perfection, then instantly in the twinkling of an eye, you are perfected. Now its your judgment. You will judge others exactly as you have judged yourself. Now you either justify others or condemn others persuant to God. It is we who judge(condemn) anothers beliefs or actions. Feel free to condemn others but the condemnation does not affect them, it affects the one condemning. The measure of condemnation is whatever measure one uses. YOU CONDEMN YOURSELF WHEN YOU JUDGE OTHERS!!

Also, please take notice of the separation of the things of God unto mankind from the life we live under our own control. There is no barrior or blockage between God and man now because of Jesus. Therefore no weeping or pain or sorrow to find God because we have been made one with God and Jesus. At the same time, in our lives here on earth, we have established personal paths through our beliefs and perceptions of life. The reason that enlightenment makes you feel closer to God is that when fully enlightened you have returned to God from where you came.

Gods words are God/spirit. God/spirit can only be accepted within the mind/heart of mankind as the person is willing to remove previously established, dark, barrior beliefs. A belief of “can't do” must be replaced by “i can do all things through Christ”! Each person that gives up dark mental blockages, that hinder the truth of God, and turns to(repentance)Gods words as truth, is instantly refilled with truth/light/Christ! This is the Kingdom within. This is the true church/body of Christ. You are the Temple/holy place of God. These truthes you will not find at group gatherings at a brick and mortar building mistakenly called the church. This too is outer darkness. Anywhere the light is blocked, guarded or locked away cannot have free flowing love.

There is no law to obey. Faith is obedience to God. God is not telling you what to do or not do. God is telling us who and what we are! What he has made us to be, and what he has given us, if we believe! When God says you are made perfect through Christ you must release the old thinking of unworthy and unclean and receive the truth. From that faith in the truth from God you will go forth cleansed on the inside, bearing the fruit of freedom, love, graciousness, gratification, thankfullness, peace, joy and all the other fruit of the spirit of God. We must stop judging our deeds, works, efforts. They are of no profit unto the things of God. They are byproducts of the love within. One cannot have love within and do unkind deeds.

With the love of God and perfection in our hearts we will sow only good seed into our lives on earth. We will then reap that which we sow.
This is the plan of God in my opinion. Remember, darkness in high places will come as angels of light to destroy this truth. God bless you in your wonderful endeavor of love. TK

June 21, 2011 at 11:30 am#249369

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011….C216542

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Look at this. In Revalation, it talks about everything in the sea dying. Look at this article

The plot thickens………….

June 21, 2011 at 11:42 am#249371

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Mark, I think there is the literal Isreal and the spiritual Isreal. Because I'm Hebrew, it effected me most of my life untill I obeyed God, right. So then theres the spiritual Isreal, I think the judgment is different somehow but I can't quite put it together… Because I don't know scripture enough. Wish I'd read it more!

Tim, thank you – I'll get back to you soon, ok. I'm short of time it's late here.

Mark I just read the article and it sort of gave me goosebumps. There was this guy who used to email me, I met him here, and he used to talk about the sea-life dyeing – and that would be the start.

June 21, 2011 at 12:04 pm#249376

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I don't think you are deficient in scripture, and it doesn't cause you to not comprehend the connection between the literal and spiritual Israel. Only God fully comprehends everything. Trust him to reveal whatever you need when you need it, because he is a perfect Father, he will. As it says in the Bible somwhere “When the time comes, you will fully understand”. Until then dwell in grace and love and peace, dispite how evil the world is.IMHO. Love, Mark

June 21, 2011 at 12:07 pm#249377

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Thats true Mark.

I just noticed. About two years ago the Man emailing me was talking about Plankton dissapearing. There was nothing on the internet about it at the time. I just googled `Plankton dissapearing, and it's there, Plankton is dissapearing. (Google it).

(Have to go).

June 21, 2011 at 12:08 pm#249378

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011….C216542

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Quote (mikeangel @ June 21 2011,22:30)

Look at this. In Revalation, it talks about everything in the sea dying. Look at this article

The plot thickens………….

Mark: Some people unfortunately will forsake their own salvation by refusing to believe the Gospel.

Whatever happens in this world is brought on by mankind. We own the Earth. God gave it to us. Its up to us to think salvation, project love and peace, believe for goodness, kindness and joy in the lord which will come through mankind to this world if we hold fast our faith.

I will not reject so great a salvation yet some will.

With all my heart I hope one of them is not you!!!

Peace and Joy in Christ to you, TK

June 21, 2011 at 12:24 pm#249379