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Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 30 2012,11:29) Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 30 2012,04:35) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 29 2012,16:37) .
BD also said:Quote Muslims don't preach the Cross Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy,
who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant,
wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)
Hebrews 10:29 cannot be applied to make a point here because no Muslim would say that the blood of the covenant is an Unholy thing because most importantly that would be agreeing such “Blood Covenant” in the terms you believe actually occured.Remember you are discussing Jesus with someone who believes that God saved Jesus from crucifixion, to you this seems unholy to me it is very Holy:
Psalm 30:3
O LORD, thou hast brought up my soul from the grave: thou hast kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit.Psalm 49:15
But God will redeem my soul from the power of the grave: for he shall receive me. Selah.Sura #4
157 That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
158 Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-
EDCould you do us a favor and stop repeating the same videos over and over, don't you have any original thoughts and positions of your own? Isn't there scripture you can find?
What kind of “witness” are you, when you have no testimony of your own besides you “bruce almighty press release”?
Hi BD,
I don't post those videos for you, but for those
readers who may read the threads you start. Your
mind too closed to be able to reason together. (Isa 1:18)עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 30 2012,16:10) Hi BD, I don't post those videos for you, but for those
readers who may read the threads you start. Your
mind too closed to be able to reason together. (Isa 1:18)עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)
The problem is the videos are wild speculation often with no fact checking: Look how many times you have called Allah the “moongod” and posted videos to match if you were being fair and honest you would have retracted the statement right after I posted:Among His Signs are the Night and the Day, and the Sun and the moon. adore not the sun and the moon, but adore Allah, Who created them, if it is Him ye wish to serve.
( سورة فصلت , Fussilat, Chapter #41, Verse #37)Or at least you should have introdued another argument but instead you just repost the same proven nonsense.
Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 31 2012,04:19)
Sura #5319 Have ye seen Lat. and 'Uzza,
20 And another, the third (goddess), Manat?
21 What! for you the male sex, and for Him, the female?
22 Behold, such would be indeed a division most unfair!
23 These are nothing but names which ye have devised,- ye and your fathers,- for which Allah has sent down no authority (whatever). They follow nothing but conjecture and what their own souls desire!- Even though there has already come to them Guidance from their Lord!Another accusation struck down by the Quran itself, when you get this sort of proof you should not keep pushing the false or you should have an argument about how your point could still be valid.
Also, the video said that as part of the pilgrimage the people symbolically throw stones at the devil so can you explain that if you believe that Allah is the devil how or why He would have believers in Him throw stones at Him, that point in and of itself goes against your claims.
THE BIBLE
Isaiah 66:23
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.Psalm 81:3
Blow up the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day.Psalm 104:19
He appointed the moon for seasons: the sun knoweth his going down.Colossians 2:16
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 31 2012,04:44)
Srah 514 From those, too, who call themselves Christians, We did take a covenant, but they forgot a good part of the message that was sent them: so we estranged them, with enmity and hatred between the one and the other, to the day of judgment. And soon will Allah show them what it is they have done.
According to this video you are calling Jesus “Satan”
Matthew 10:35
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.Luke 14:26
If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with
the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.Dan 7:25-26 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High,
and think to change times (changing the calendar) and laws (to sharia law): and they shall be given into his hand
until a time and times and the dividing of time.
But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 31 2012,06:17) Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with
the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
at least you are trying to use more unique tactics but I must ask who is doing the killing? Do you believe 1 billion people are running around killing and capturing? All sorts of countries are egaged in warfare America being the largest and they have been on the side of Justice for the most part but they have killed much more than anyone opposing them.Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 31 2012,06:22) Dan 7:25-26 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High,
and think to change times (changing the calendar) and laws (to sharia law): and they shall be given into his hand
until a time and times and the dividing of time.
But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
didn't Christians change the Calender, ED? Didn't Christians change the Law, ED?Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 31 2012,09:20) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 31 2012,06:22) Dan 7:25-26 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High,
and think to change times (changing the calendar) and laws (to sharia law): and they shall be given into his hand
until a time and times and the dividing of time.
But the judgment shall sit, and they(Christians and Jews) shall take away his (islamic) dominion,
to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
didn't Christians change the Calender, ED? Didn't Christians change the Law, ED?
Nice try,but: Christians don't speak great words against the most High,
and Christians don't shall wear out the saints of the most High.The first year was the Islamic year beginning in 622 CE during which the emigration of the Islamic prophet Muhammad from Mecca to Medina, known as the Hijra, occurred. (Link)
The Islamic calendar, also known as the Muslim calendar, is a lunar calendar consisting of 12 lunar months in a year of 354 or 355 days. Being a purely lunar calendar, it is not synchronized with the seasons. With an annual drift of 10 or 11 days, the seasonal relation repeats about every 33 Islamic years.
Sharia law, (Arabic: شريعة šarīʿah, IPA: [ʃaˈriːʕa], “legislation”; sp. shariah, sharīʿah;[1] also Islamic law, قانون إسلامي qānūn ʾIslāmī ) is the moral code and religious law of Islam. Sharia deals with many topics addressed by secular law, including crime, politics and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, hygiene, diet, prayer, and fasting. Though interpretations of sharia vary between cultures, in its strictest definition it is considered the infallible law of God—as opposed to the human interpretation of the law (fiqh).
The reintroduction of sharia is a longstanding goal for Islamist movements in Muslim countries, but attempts to impose sharia have been accompanied by controversy,[2][3][4] violence,[5][6][7][8][9][10] and even warfare such as the Second Sudanese Civil War.[11][12][13][14] Some Muslim minorities in India and other countries in Asia have maintained institutional recognition of sharia, and use it to adjudicate their personal and community affairs. In western countries where Islamic immigration is more recent, Muslim minorities have introduced sharia family law for use in their own disputes, such as Britain's Muslim Arbitration Tribunal. (Link)
B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 31 2012,09:16) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 31 2012,06:17) Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with
the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
at least you are trying to use more unique tactics but I must ask who is doing the killing? Do you believe 1 billion people are running around killing and capturing? All sorts of countries are egaged in warfare America being the largest and they have been on the side of Justice for the most part but they have killed much more than anyone opposing them.
Hi BD, Do you deny that muslims behead Christians?(Rev 20:4) “I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,
and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the (satanic) beast, neither his
(antichrist) image, neither had received his (islamic) mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;”B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 31 2012,09:57) Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 31 2012,09:20) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 31 2012,06:22) Dan 7:25-26 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High,
and think to change times (changing the calendar) and laws (to sharia law): and they shall be given into his hand
until a time and times and the dividing of time.
But the judgment shall sit, and they(Christians and Jews) shall take away his (islamic) dominion,
to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
didn't Christians change the Calender, ED? Didn't Christians change the Law, ED?
Nice try,but: Christians don't speak great words against the most High,
and Christians don't shall wear out the saints of the most High.The first year was the Islamic year beginning in 622 CE during which the emigration of the Islamic prophet Muhammad from Mecca to Medina, known as the Hijra, occurred. (Link)
The Islamic calendar, also known as the Muslim calendar, is a lunar calendar consisting of 12 lunar months in a year of 354 or 355 days. Being a purely lunar calendar, it is not synchronized with the seasons. With an annual drift of 10 or 11 days, the seasonal relation repeats about every 33 Islamic years.
Sharia law, (Arabic: شريعة šarīʿah, IPA: [ʃaˈriːʕa], “legislation”; sp. shariah, sharīʿah;[1] also Islamic law, قانون إسلامي qānūn ʾIslāmī ) is the moral code and religious law of Islam. Sharia deals with many topics addressed by secular law, including crime, politics and economics, as well as personal matters such as sexual intercourse, hygiene, diet, prayer, and fasting. Though interpretations of sharia vary between cultures, in its strictest definition it is considered the infallible law of God—as opposed to the human interpretation of the law (fiqh).
The reintroduction of sharia is a longstanding goal for Islamist movements in Muslim countries, but attempts to impose sharia have been accompanied by controversy,[2][3][4] violence,[5][6][7][8][9][10] and even warfare such as the Second Sudanese Civil War.[11][12][13][14] Some Muslim minorities in India and other countries in Asia have maintained institutional recognition of sharia, and use it to adjudicate their personal and community affairs. In western countries where Islamic immigration is more recent, Muslim minorities have introduced sharia family law for use in their own disputes, such as Britain's Muslim Arbitration Tribunal. (Link)
B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
Can you tell m or quote frothe Quran the words that wer spoke against the Most High?Areyou assumig that all the saints of the Most High are Christians?
Oh and by the way didn't God institute Sharia Law when sending down the Law to Moses didn't God give Moses the moral code and religious law that you seem to despise?
Even the gentiles got a moral code and religious law although not as sringent
Bt Paul gave them less restrictions saying Galatians 2:15
We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 31 2012,09:58) Quote (bodhitharta @ Mar. 31 2012,09:16) Quote (Ed J @ Mar. 31 2012,06:17) Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with
the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.
at least you are trying to use more unique tactics but I must ask who is doing the killing? Do you believe 1 billion people are running around killing and capturing? All sorts of countries are egaged in warfare America being the largest and they have been on the side of Justice for the most part but they have killed much more than anyone opposing them.
Hi BD, Do you deny that muslims behead Christians?(Rev 20:4) “I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus,
and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the (satanic) beast, neither his
(antichrist) image, neither had received his (islamic) mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;”B'shem, יהוה (YÄ-hä-vā)
עד (Ed) (Joshua 22:34)
No ED I do not deny it because Jews have beheaded Christians, Christians have beheaded Muslims and Muslimshave beheaded Christians so no one is innocent of that don't you remember even Paul killing Christians?
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Persecution of Christians as a consequence of professing their faith can be traced both historically and in the current era. Early Christians were persecuted for their faith, at the hands of both Jews from whose religion Christianity arose, and the Roman Empire which controlled much of the land early Christianity was distributed across. This continued from the 1st century until the early 4th, when the religion was legalized by Constantine I http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians———-This was hundreds of years before Muhammad but look:
17 Christians Convicted in Indonesia For Beheading Muslims
washingtonpost.com— “[They] beheaded two Muslims to avenge the government executions of three Christians in Indonesia.” “The revenge killings were the bloodiest incident in several days of protests.” Jul 28, 2007
http://digg.com/news….Muslims
All those who believe in God have been persecuted
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Muslims
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_jewsDo you believe that one persecution is preferable over another?
Hi BD,
2 Corinthians 2:14-17 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us [Christians] to triumph in Christ,
and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place. For we are unto God a sweet savour
of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: To the one we are the savour of death unto death;
and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? For we are not as many,
which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.יהוה חאלהים (JEHOVAH GOD)
עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)Quote (Ed J @ April 02 2012,10:54) Hi BD, 2 Corinthians 2:14-17 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us [Christians] to triumph in Christ,
and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place. For we are unto God a sweet savour
of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: To the one we are the savour of death unto death;
and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? For we are not as many,
which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.יהוה חאלהים (JEHOVAH GOD)
עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)
Why do you keep inserting things in the scriptures you don't believe that a Jew who accepted Christ triumphed in Christ? Do you think the disciples of Jesus suddenly became gentiles or suddenly called Christians? No they were Jews that accepted the Messiah, their Messiah that they were waiting for so how do you steal that from them?Jesus said he was sent to them and some of them believed. Jesus was never sent to any group called “Christians” because there was no such group. Christian is a term for those gentiles that accepted Christ but Jesus is Jesus Christ to everyone whether Jew, Christian or Muslim and we all (Those who believe) triumph in Christ.
Your opinion is not doctrine and your authority does not supersede Christ nor God you are simply a magician causing distractions
Quote (bodhitharta @ April 02 2012,11:21) Quote (Ed J @ April 02 2012,10:54) Hi BD, 2 Corinthians 2:14-17 Now thanks be unto God, which always causeth us [Christians] to triumph in Christ,
and maketh manifest the savour of his knowledge by us in every place. For we are unto God a sweet savour
of Christ, in them that are saved, and in them that perish: To the one we are the savour of death unto death;
and to the other the savour of life unto life. And who is sufficient for these things? For we are not as many,
which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.יהוה חאלהים (JEHOVAH GOD)
עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)
Why do you keep inserting things in the scriptures you don't believe that a Jew who accepted Christ triumphed in Christ?
Hi BD,Do you even know, BD, what the term “Christian” even means?
Gal 3:27-29 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for
ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)
Hi BD,
1 John 4:13-15 Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his [HolySpirit].
And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. Whosoever
shall confess that JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
You cannot have your own personal “Pentecost” as long as you deny the truth.“He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.” (1John 2:22)
יהוה חאלהים (JEHOVAH GOD)
עד (Joshua 22:34) Ed (Witness)
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