- This topic is empty.
- Posts
This should make for a lively thread!
Kingdom of the Antichrist: Part 1 of 17 through Part 9 of 17…
Enjoy!
Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 07 2010,12:35) Would the Kingdom of the Antichrist say that Jesus is the Christ?
bodhow many different ways can someone refuse to accept Christ?
and how is someone to accept Christ?
PierreQuote (terraricca @ Oct. 08 2010,04:12) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 07 2010,12:35) Would the Kingdom of the Antichrist say that Jesus is the Christ?
bodhow many different ways can someone refuse to accept Christ?
and how is someone to accept Christ?
Pierre
The actual question is the problem. We are to believe in God and that Jesus was sent from God.Those who believe that Jesus was sent from God, believe in God but it is the same with all the prophets, those who did not believe in Moses rejected God and were slaughtered in the desert
Exodus 32:26-28 (King James Version)
26Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD's side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.
27And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
28And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.
So the right question needs to be asked and not so much as to whom is being accepted and in what way but who is being rejected and in what way.
No one needs to reject Christ to Believe in God directly it is a foolish statement.
For he that is not against us is on our part.
Mark 9:39-41Do you understand what I am saying here? It is very important.
The Pharisees and Saducees were rejecting that Jesus was sent by God it had nothing to do with crucifixion and resurrection they rejected the very premise that Jesus was sent from God if they had believed that Jesus had come from God then they would have believed in God with an enlightened understanding but instead they rejected Christ in their disbelief that he was sent and that he was the one promised to be sent.
Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 08 2010,12:56) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 08 2010,04:12) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 07 2010,12:35) Would the Kingdom of the Antichrist say that Jesus is the Christ?
bodhow many different ways can someone refuse to accept Christ?
and how is someone to accept Christ?
Pierre
The actual question is the problem. We are to believe in God and that Jesus was sent from God.Those who believe that Jesus was sent from God, believe in God but it is the same with all the prophets, those who did not believe in Moses rejected God and were slaughtered in the desert
Exodus 32:26-28 (King James Version)
26Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD's side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.
27And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
28And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.
So the right question needs to be asked and not so much as to whom is being accepted and in what way but who is being rejected and in what way.
No one needs to reject Christ to Believe in God directly it is a foolish statement.
For he that is not against us is on our part.
Mark 9:39-41Do you understand what I am saying here? It is very important.
The Pharisees and Saducees were rejecting that Jesus was sent by God it had nothing to do with crucifixion and resurrection they rejected the very premise that Jesus was sent from God if they had believed that Jesus had come from God then they would have believed in God with an enlightened understanding but instead they rejected Christ in their disbelief that he was sent and that he was the one promised to be sent.
bodi understand but what should i say to this;Jn 12:47 “As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it.
Jn 12:48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last dayLk 6:47 I will show you what he is like who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice.
Lk 6:49 But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.”so to my understanding of those scriptures a lip service will not do,a active participation is required.
Pierre
Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 07 2010,05:35) Would the Kingdom of the Antichrist say that Jesus is the Christ?
Yes if the definition of Christ didn't mean what it was suppose to.
You do not believe that Jesus died to save us. You deny this salvation and that is the definition of saviour. One who saves. You deny his death as your salvation.It is also possible to believe in a different Jesus. I mean there are a lot of people called Jesus. There is that guy in Brazil called Jesus and actually there are quite a few. Even Paul talks about those who preach another Jesus.
The Jesus that is preached in scripture is the one who saved mankind from the penalty caused by his own sin. By Jesus death, we are brought back to God. He is the son of the living God.
It seems that your book teaches the antithesis of all things pertaining to the Christ. It is against Christ. If you believe that book, then:
You deny he is the son of God.
You deny he died for the sins of mankind.
You deny that he finished the work of salvation through his death.
You deny that he existed with divine nature and emptied himself and took on human nature.
You deny many things that the Christ spoke.One of the meanings of Antichrist is to be against Christ.
It is not necessarily a person who doesn't believe that the Christ exists. And even if you say you believe he is the Christ, then what does that mean to you.I mean I could say that I believe that coffee is the best drink in the world. But if I thought coffee was tea, then in actual fact, it is not true that I think that coffee is the best drink in the world and the truth is that I think that tea is the best drink. So my confession is not matched by my understanding and therefore what is more important? The syllables that I speak, or the meaning of what I speak?
t8
Quote You deny many things that the Christ spoke.
You would have to be either dishonest or deluded to claim that you know to any standard of probity even one word that Jesus uttered.There is no building on rock here, nor on sand. Christianity is a castle in the air, manufactured by ignorant early Iron Age zealots.
Stuart
Quote (Stu @ Oct. 09 2010,15:46) t8 Quote You deny many things that the Christ spoke.
You would have to be either dishonest or deluded to claim that you know to any standard of probity even one word that Jesus uttered.There is no building on rock here, nor on sand. Christianity is a castle in the air, manufactured by ignorant early Iron Age zealots.
Stuart
stuyou have to take your hand away from your eyes to see
dreaming does not help but if you like it stay there.
Pierre
Yes dreaming seems real Stu when you are dreaming, but when you awake, you see the dream from the outside.
Try opening your eyes. It is amazing that our reality demands a creator. Nothing and something non-intelligent are non-starters.Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 08 2010,11:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 08 2010,12:56) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 08 2010,04:12) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 07 2010,12:35) Would the Kingdom of the Antichrist say that Jesus is the Christ?
bodhow many different ways can someone refuse to accept Christ?
and how is someone to accept Christ?
Pierre
The actual question is the problem. We are to believe in God and that Jesus was sent from God.Those who believe that Jesus was sent from God, believe in God but it is the same with all the prophets, those who did not believe in Moses rejected God and were slaughtered in the desert
Exodus 32:26-28 (King James Version)
26Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD's side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.
27And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
28And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.
So the right question needs to be asked and not so much as to whom is being accepted and in what way but who is being rejected and in what way.
No one needs to reject Christ to Believe in God directly it is a foolish statement.
For he that is not against us is on our part.
Mark 9:39-41Do you understand what I am saying here? It is very important.
The Pharisees and Saducees were rejecting that Jesus was sent by God it had nothing to do with crucifixion and resurrection they rejected the very premise that Jesus was sent from God if they had believed that Jesus had come from God then they would have believed in God with an enlightened understanding but instead they rejected Christ in their disbelief that he was sent and that he was the one promised to be sent.
bodi understand but what should i say to this;Jn 12:47 “As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it.
Jn 12:48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last dayLk 6:47 I will show you what he is like who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice.
Lk 6:49 But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.”so to my understanding of those scriptures a lip service will not do,a active participation is required.
Pierre
The fact is you don't understand what Jesus is asking you to put into practice.Jesus also says he “didn't come to bring peace but a sword” but that you will ignore.
Quote (t8 @ Oct. 08 2010,23:15) Quote Yes if the definition of Christ didn't mean what it was suppose to. The word means anointed, it does not even mean saviour at all.
Quote You do not believe that Jesus died to save us. You deny this salvation and that is the definition of saviour. One who saves. You deny his death as your salvation. Then if that is your definition then:
Therefore thou deliveredst them into the hand of their enemies, who vexed them: and in the time of their trouble, when they cried unto thee, thou heardest them from heaven; and according to thy manifold mercies thou gavest them saviours, who saved them out of the hand of their enemies.
Nehemiah 9:26-28And saviours shall come up on mount Zion to judge the mount of Esau; and the kingdom shall be the LORD's.
Obadiah 1:20-21So now you see that God sends saviours and not only Jesus but you said Jesus was the only Saviour, right? Christians don't really study the bible objectively, nost Muslims and even Atheists seem to know more about what the Bible actually says
Quote It is also possible to believe in a different Jesus. I mean there are a lot of people called Jesus. There is that guy in Brazil called Jesus and actually there are quite a few. Even Paul talks about those who preach another Jesus. We were not talking about people named Jesus we were talking about being Anti-Christ which would mean being Anti-anointed
Quote The Jesus that is preached in scripture is the one who saved mankind from the penalty caused by his own sin. By Jesus death, we are brought back to God. He is the son of the living God. All the pious are the sons of God and all of mankind has not been seperated from God:
All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Matthew 11:26-28Do you really understand this verse it's not just about Jesus it's about all those who God gave authority and power to if this were not true the verse would make no sense. You would say of course we know that Jesus is the Son but Jesus says you don't know who the Son is.
It gets deep but I don't know if you're ready for all of this
Quote It seems that your book teaches the antithesis of all things pertaining to the Christ. It is against Christ. If you believe that book, then: Are you talking about the Quran or “my” bokk “Witness the real”?
Quote You deny he is the son of God.
You deny he died for the sins of mankind.
You deny that he finished the work of salvation through his death.
You deny that he existed with divine nature and emptied himself and took on human nature.
You deny many things that the Christ spoke.You believe I deny these things but it is not really a matter of denial at all except denying that anyone died for the sins of mankind but once again it's about much deeper things. what did God tell Adam? That he would die or that everyone would die for his “sin”? So you look at Murder as a willing Sacrifice so yes you would be right Murder is dying because of the sins of many
Quote One of the meanings of Antichrist is to be against Christ.
It is not necessarily a person who doesn't believe that the Christ exists. And even if you say you believe he is the Christ, then what does that mean to you.It means he is the anointed one that God sent to Israel to call them to repentence and proper worship anything other than that is from the evil one. This is what Jesus Christ himself said but you don't believe what he said:
But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matthew 9:12-14When Jesus heard it, he saith unto them, They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick: I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Mark 2:16-18I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Luke 5:31-33Those verses are 3 witnesses about what Jesus stated was his mission and the Quran confirms this exact point but you don't believe. Jesus said he finished this mission:
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 17:3-5who are those who are saved but those who can then say:
I have fought a good fight, I have finished my course, I have kept the faith:
2 Timothy 4:6-8James 1:14-16 (King James Version)
14But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16Do not err, my beloved brethren.But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
James 1:3-5That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
2 Timothy 3:16-17Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.
Matthew 5:47-48This is the True Gospel taught by Jesus and the Gospel taught in the Quran
Quote I mean I could say that I believe that coffee is the best drink in the world. But if I thought coffee was tea, then in actual fact, it is not true that I think that coffee is the best drink in the world and the truth is that I think that tea is the best drink. So my confession is not matched by my understanding and therefore what is more important? The syllables that I speak, or the meaning of what I speak? If you believed what you just said you would realize that ALLAH means the same as GOD, Jehovah, Yahweh or whatever name others use to express the same meaning. But you are still deep into the syllables and partly blind to the meaning.
God Bless You!
Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 09 2010,19:10) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 08 2010,11:39) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 08 2010,12:56) Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 08 2010,04:12) Quote (bodhitharta @ Oct. 07 2010,12:35) Would the Kingdom of the Antichrist say that Jesus is the Christ?
bodhow many different ways can someone refuse to accept Christ?
and how is someone to accept Christ?
Pierre
The actual question is the problem. We are to believe in God and that Jesus was sent from God.Those who believe that Jesus was sent from God, believe in God but it is the same with all the prophets, those who did not believe in Moses rejected God and were slaughtered in the desert
Exodus 32:26-28 (King James Version)
26Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Who is on the LORD's side? let him come unto me. And all the sons of Levi gathered themselves together unto him.
27And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.
28And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men.
So the right question needs to be asked and not so much as to whom is being accepted and in what way but who is being rejected and in what way.
No one needs to reject Christ to Believe in God directly it is a foolish statement.
For he that is not against us is on our part.
Mark 9:39-41Do you understand what I am saying here? It is very important.
The Pharisees and Saducees were rejecting that Jesus was sent by God it had nothing to do with crucifixion and resurrection they rejected the very premise that Jesus was sent from God if they had believed that Jesus had come from God then they would have believed in God with an enlightened understanding but instead they rejected Christ in their disbelief that he was sent and that he was the one promised to be sent.
bodi understand but what should i say to this;Jn 12:47 “As for the person who hears my words but does not keep them, I do not judge him. For I did not come to judge the world, but to save it.
Jn 12:48 There is a judge for the one who rejects me and does not accept my words; that very word which I spoke will condemn him at the last dayLk 6:47 I will show you what he is like who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice.
Lk 6:49 But the one who hears my words and does not put them into practice is like a man who built a house on the ground without a foundation. The moment the torrent struck that house, it collapsed and its destruction was complete.”so to my understanding of those scriptures a lip service will not do,a active participation is required.
Pierre
The fact is you don't understand what Jesus is asking you to put into practice.Jesus also says he “didn't come to bring peace but a sword” but that you will ignore.
bodyou deserve the brains you have ,and the mind build by your own hands
Quote (terraricca @ Oct. 09 2010,12:51) bod you deserve the brains you have ,and the mind build by your own hands
Of course you will be derogatory towards me but what I said was true. The very idea of Hell dispels your entire argument and Jesus certainly taught about hell.What could be more violent than hell or the threat/warning of hell?
Have you ever read this:
Jeremiah 6:13-14 (King James Version)
13For from the least of them even unto the greatest of them every one is given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely.
14They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.You don't understand what do you make of this:
Judges 8:8-10 (King James Version)
8And he went up thence to Penuel, and spake unto them likewise: and the men of Penuel answered him as the men of Succoth had answered him.
9And he spake also unto the men of Penuel, saying, When I come again in peace, I will break down this tower.
10Now Zebah and Zalmunna were in Karkor, and their hosts with them, about fifteen thousand men, all that were left of all the hosts of the children of the east: for there fell an hundred and twenty thousand men that drew sword.To be peaceful does not exclude violence in-fact peace is often derived through violence.
You eat beef, fish, pork or chicken because you kill or support the killing of animals for food and likewise you destroy plants to consume for yor pleasure.
you will cut and burn wood and deprive a tree life to warm your body or take the life of several trees to have a comfortable home.
all these things are violent but which do you see as wrong?
To All,
BD offers: confusion of mind, distractions of spirit and distortions of truth.
Just what one would expect in the ‘Kingdom of the antichrist’(islam)!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)Quote (Ed J @ Oct. 10 2010,01:21) To All, BD offers: confusion of mind, distractions of spirit and distortions of truth.
Just what one would expect in the ‘Kingdom of the antichrist’(islam)!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17)
יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)
And your solution to all this is to interject math and number codes into scripture?Yet the number of the children of Israel shall be as the sand of the sea, which cannot be measured nor numbered; and it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people, there it shall be said unto them, Ye are the sons of the living God.
Hosea 1:9-11And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.
1 Chronicles 21:1-3((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((Edit))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))
Hi Everyone,The kingdom of the antichrist(islam) goes out to deceive the nations.
God made these three promises to Abraham's seed. He said that his seed would be as plenty as the…
1) “Dust of the Earth”=170 (Gen. 3:16) Lord(49) + God(26) + Almighty(95) or [49+26+95=170] (Rev. 4:8)
2) “Stars of Heaven”=153 (Gen. 26:4) “Sons of God” in Hebrew בני ה אלהים=153 Beni Ha-Elohim.
3) “Sand of the Sea”=117 (Gen. 32:12) matches “God the Father”=117It’s interesting to note that the very same language is used in Rev. 20:8 where Satan goes about in battle
to deceive the nations, He is going against God’s people (the people of “GOD The Father”=117) to
deceive, the number of whom is as the “SAND OF THE SEA“=117.AKJV: Rev. 20:8: “And (Satan) shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth,
Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.”“YHVH is GOD”=117
PSALM 117 is [The Bible's Center Chapter],
the [smallest chapter] of the [LARGEST BOOK]!Witnessing to the world in behalf of YHVH! (Psalm 45:17)
117=יהוה האלהים (JEHOVAH GOD) YÄ-hä-vā hä ĔL-ō-Hêêm!
Ed J (Joshua 22:34 / Isaiah 49:16 / Isaiah 60:14)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org (Ecl.9:12-16)terrarica
Quote you have to take your hand away from your eyes to see dreaming does not help but if you like it stay there.
Religious platitudes.Your statements are non-statements. You have nothing of relevance to say about my comments. The fact that you replied at all I think indicates that you feel some insecurity in what you believe. I'm not saying that is a bad thing: my worldview relies heavily on the scientific method, and that has built into it a permanent philosophy of never taking anything for granted and always maintaining some uncertainty. The problem arises when you try to mix that with a religious belief system that cannot tolerate such honest appraisal for fear of it self-destructing if uncertaintly is included. It is dishonest to claim absolute knowledge, or at least foolhardy given the long history of religious dogmas being shown up for the wrong views of the ancients that they were. If you were to hand in an essay to a history professor that quoted Jesus as part of a piece of academic historical research and cited gospels as references, you would deserve to fail. The very best thing you could say about the words of Jesus are that they are the product of a couple of generations of chinese whispers combined with hearsay.
The evidence actually is that early christians were willing to alter the writing of non-christians, hence rewriting history in their own words. The only reasonable stance to take is that the gospels should be treated as entirely invented: the stories of the Census of Quirinus and the fable of the slaughter of the innocents are almost certainly historical fiction, but here you are saying you know exactly what Jesus said. You'll understand me living up to the description under my avatar!
Stuart
Quote (t8 @ Oct. 09 2010,10:00) Yes dreaming seems real Stu when you are dreaming, but when you awake, you see the dream from the outside.
Try opening your eyes. It is amazing that our reality demands a creator. Nothing and something non-intelligent are non-starters.
Three religious platitudes and a non-sequitur. Obviously your belief system requires a creator, but that does not mean there is any such thing existing outside your own head.How about an ill-fitting analogy t8? Is my post like the blind bus driver that drives his designed bus into a building that he could not see and cannot see must have had an architect and therefore the universe was created?
Stuart
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
