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    bodhitharta
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    I haven't seen one Christian yet say I wish I could take the place of Jesus because he was innocent and I am guilty for my own sins.

    I keep explaining that God saved Jesus and every Christian says that's impossible because that would mean I am not saved but how is that true? If God saved Jesus do you think God cannot save you?

    God never wanted Israel to have a King but they relented so he gave them a King. God never wanted Human sacrifice in fact he said he HATES it and called it an ABOMINATION in-fact he said he never even ordered the children of Israel to sacrifice even animals because he owns everything anyway but you people want a Human Sacrifice so Bad so he let you believe what you wanted but for a surety God Saved Jesus whether you care about Jesus or not.

    I love Jesus and I'm glad he was saved from the vicious plot.

    #158651
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,
    You live in a fantasy world and your awesome enemy is God.
    You cannot win dude.

    #158652
    942767
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ July 31 2009,13:58)
    I haven't seen one Christian yet say I wish I could take the place of Jesus because he was innocent and I am guilty for my own sins.

    I keep explaining that God saved Jesus and every Christian says that's impossible because that would mean I am not saved but how is that true? If God saved Jesus do you think God cannot save you?

    God never wanted Israel to have a King but they relented so he gave them a King. God never wanted Human sacrifice in fact he said he HATES it and called it an ABOMINATION in-fact he said he never even ordered the children of Israel to sacrifice even animals because he owns everything anyway but you people want a Human Sacrifice so Bad so he let you believe what you wanted but for a surety God Saved Jesus whether you care about Jesus or not.

    I love Jesus and I'm glad he was saved from the vicious plot.


    Hi BD:

    Man has the power to kill the body but cannot kill the soul.

    God did save Jesus.  He raised him from the dead to eternal life never to die no more, and because he lives, I live also, and man may also kill my body, but they cannot kill my soul.

    Don't you know that men die every day. Some this way and some that way, but nevertheless, death is a reality.

    If Jesus did not rise from the dead, there is no resurrection from the dead because the wages of sin is death which is not only the detioration of the body, but spiritual separation from God, and since all have sinned.  All of humanity would die spiritually separated from God with no hope of a resurrection.

    May God open your eyes to see what God has done by allowing what men have done to my Lord Jesus.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #158653
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 31 2009,14:15)
    Hi BD,
    You live in a fantasy world and your awesome enemy is God.
    You cannot win dude.


    You should not determine who you think is the enemy of God

    #158654
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (942767 @ July 31 2009,14:29)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ July 31 2009,13:58)
    I haven't seen one Christian yet say I wish I could take the place of Jesus because he was innocent and I am guilty for my own sins.

    I keep explaining that God saved Jesus and every Christian says that's impossible because that would mean I am not saved but how is that true? If God saved Jesus do you think God cannot save you?

    God never wanted Israel to have a King but they relented so he gave them a King. God never wanted Human sacrifice in fact he said he HATES it and called it an ABOMINATION in-fact he said he never even ordered the children of Israel to sacrifice even animals because he owns everything anyway but you people want a Human Sacrifice so Bad so he let you believe what you wanted but for a surety God Saved Jesus whether you care about Jesus or not.

    I love Jesus and I'm glad he was saved from the vicious plot.


    Hi BD:

    Man has the power to kill the body but cannot kill the soul.

    God did save Jesus.  He raised him from the dead to eternal life never to die no more, and because he lives, I live also, and man may also kill my body, but they cannot ill my soul.

    Don't you know that men die every day. Some this way and some that way, but nevertheless, death is a reality.

    If Jesus did not rise from the dead, there is no resurrection from the dead because the wages of sin is death which is not only the detioration of the body, but spiritual separation from God, and since all have sinned.  All of humanity would die spiritually separated from God with no hope of a resurrection.

    May God open your eyes to see what God has done by allowing what men have done to my Lord Jesus.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    You speak falsely concerning the resurrection because Jesus said regarding the resurrection:

    Matthew 22

    31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,

    32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

    Obviously God was not seperate from those mentioned above by Jesus even before Jesus was taken up to God so you are incorrect.

    #158655
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,
    Logic has little place in understanding the wisdom of God.
    That he died is written

    #158656
    942767
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ July 31 2009,14:36)

    Quote (942767 @ July 31 2009,14:29)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ July 31 2009,13:58)
    I haven't seen one Christian yet say I wish I could take the place of Jesus because he was innocent and I am guilty for my own sins.

    I keep explaining that God saved Jesus and every Christian says that's impossible because that would mean I am not saved but how is that true? If God saved Jesus do you think God cannot save you?

    God never wanted Israel to have a King but they relented so he gave them a King. God never wanted Human sacrifice in fact he said he HATES it and called it an ABOMINATION in-fact he said he never even ordered the children of Israel to sacrifice even animals because he owns everything anyway but you people want a Human Sacrifice so Bad so he let you believe what you wanted but for a surety God Saved Jesus whether you care about Jesus or not.

    I love Jesus and I'm glad he was saved from the vicious plot.


    Hi BD:

    Man has the power to kill the body but cannot kill the soul.

    God did save Jesus.  He raised him from the dead to eternal life never to die no more, and because he lives, I live also, and man may also kill my body, but they cannot ill my soul.

    Don't you know that men die every day. Some this way and some that way, but nevertheless, death is a reality.

    If Jesus did not rise from the dead, there is no resurrection from the dead because the wages of sin is death which is not only the detioration of the body, but spiritual separation from God, and since all have sinned.  All of humanity would die spiritually separated from God with no hope of a resurrection.

    May God open your eyes to see what God has done by allowing what men have done to my Lord Jesus.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    You speak falsely concerning the resurrection because Jesus said regarding the resurrection:

    Matthew 22

    31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,

    32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

    Obviously God was not seperate from those mentioned above by Jesus even before Jesus was taken up to God so you are incorrect.


    Hi BD:

    No, I believe that you are the one who is misunderstanding.

    Jesus stated:

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    Jhn 11:21   Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.  

    Jhn 11:22   But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give [it] thee.  

    Jhn 11:23   Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.  

    Jhn 11:24   Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.  

    Jhn 11:25   Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:  

    Jhn 11:26   And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?  

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    Jhn 14:6   Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.  

    Jesus spoke of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob being alive to God because altough they had physically died, they died in faith, and because the sacrifice of Jesus was to be the proptiation for their sins, they are part of the body of Christ which will rise from the dead when Jesus comes for the church.

    Quote
    Gal 3:16   Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.  

    Quote
    Hbr 11:13 ¶ These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of [them], and embraced [them], and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.  

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    Jhn 8:56   Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it], and was glad.  

    Jhn 8:57   Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?  

    Jhn 8:58   Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #158657
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 31 2009,14:51)
    Hi BD,
    Logic has little place in understanding the wisdom of God.
    That he died is written


    Luke 4

    10 For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:

    11 And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone

    Luke 24:45-47 (King James Version)

    45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

    46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

    47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

    Matthew 8:21-23 (King James Version)

    22 But Jesus said unto him, Follow me; and let the dead bury their dead.

    Luke 9:59-61 (King James Version)

    60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

    John 21:24-25 (King James Version)

    25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.

    #158658
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (942767 @ July 31 2009,15:01)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ July 31 2009,14:36)

    Quote (942767 @ July 31 2009,14:29)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ July 31 2009,13:58)
    I haven't seen one Christian yet say I wish I could take the place of Jesus because he was innocent and I am guilty for my own sins.

    I keep explaining that God saved Jesus and every Christian says that's impossible because that would mean I am not saved but how is that true? If God saved Jesus do you think God cannot save you?

    God never wanted Israel to have a King but they relented so he gave them a King. God never wanted Human sacrifice in fact he said he HATES it and called it an ABOMINATION in-fact he said he never even ordered the children of Israel to sacrifice even animals because he owns everything anyway but you people want a Human Sacrifice so Bad so he let you believe what you wanted but for a surety God Saved Jesus whether you care about Jesus or not.

    I love Jesus and I'm glad he was saved from the vicious plot.


    Hi BD:

    Man has the power to kill the body but cannot kill the soul.

    God did save Jesus.  He raised him from the dead to eternal life never to die no more, and because he lives, I live also, and man may also kill my body, but they cannot ill my soul.

    Don't you know that men die every day. Some this way and some that way, but nevertheless, death is a reality.

    If Jesus did not rise from the dead, there is no resurrection from the dead because the wages of sin is death which is not only the detioration of the body, but spiritual separation from God, and since all have sinned.  All of humanity would die spiritually separated from God with no hope of a resurrection.

    May God open your eyes to see what God has done by allowing what men have done to my Lord Jesus.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    You speak falsely concerning the resurrection because Jesus said regarding the resurrection:

    Matthew 22

    31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,

    32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

    Obviously God was not seperate from those mentioned above by Jesus even before Jesus was taken up to God so you are incorrect.


    Hi BD:

    No, I believe that you are the one who is misunderstanding.

    Jesus stated:

    Quote
    Jhn 11:21   Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.  

    Jhn 11:22   But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give [it] thee.  

    Jhn 11:23   Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.  

    Jhn 11:24   Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.  

    Jhn 11:25   Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:  

    Jhn 11:26   And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?  

    Quote
    Jhn 14:6   Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.  

    Jesus spoke of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob being alive to God because altough they had physically died, they died in faith, and because the sacrifice of Jesus was to be the proptiation for their sins, they are part of the body of Christ which will rise from the dead when Jesus comes for the church.

    Quote
    Gal 3:16   Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.  

    Quote
    Hbr 11:13 ¶ These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of [them], and embraced [them], and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.  

    Quote
    Jhn 8:56   Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it], and was glad.  

    Jhn 8:57   Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?  

    Jhn 8:58   Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    Then you don't believe in the transfiguration?

    Trust me you are wrong on this but please proceed if you wish because God willing I will make it clear to you.

    #158659
    942767
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ July 31 2009,15:13)

    Quote (942767 @ July 31 2009,15:01)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ July 31 2009,14:36)

    Quote (942767 @ July 31 2009,14:29)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ July 31 2009,13:58)
    I haven't seen one Christian yet say I wish I could take the place of Jesus because he was innocent and I am guilty for my own sins.

    I keep explaining that God saved Jesus and every Christian says that's impossible because that would mean I am not saved but how is that true? If God saved Jesus do you think God cannot save you?

    God never wanted Israel to have a King but they relented so he gave them a King. God never wanted Human sacrifice in fact he said he HATES it and called it an ABOMINATION in-fact he said he never even ordered the children of Israel to sacrifice even animals because he owns everything anyway but you people want a Human Sacrifice so Bad so he let you believe what you wanted but for a surety God Saved Jesus whether you care about Jesus or not.

    I love Jesus and I'm glad he was saved from the vicious plot.


    Hi BD:

    Man has the power to kill the body but cannot kill the soul.

    God did save Jesus.  He raised him from the dead to eternal life never to die no more, and because he lives, I live also, and man may also kill my body, but they cannot ill my soul.

    Don't you know that men die every day. Some this way and some that way, but nevertheless, death is a reality.

    If Jesus did not rise from the dead, there is no resurrection from the dead because the wages of sin is death which is not only the detioration of the body, but spiritual separation from God, and since all have sinned.  All of humanity would die spiritually separated from God with no hope of a resurrection.

    May God open your eyes to see what God has done by allowing what men have done to my Lord Jesus.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    You speak falsely concerning the resurrection because Jesus said regarding the resurrection:

    Matthew 22

    31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,

    32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

    Obviously God was not seperate from those mentioned above by Jesus even before Jesus was taken up to God so you are incorrect.


    Hi BD:

    No, I believe that you are the one who is misunderstanding.

    Jesus stated:

    Quote
    Jhn 11:21   Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.  

    Jhn 11:22   But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give [it] thee.  

    Jhn 11:23   Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.  

    Jhn 11:24   Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.  

    Jhn 11:25   Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:  

    Jhn 11:26   And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?  

    Quote
    Jhn 14:6   Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.  

    Jesus spoke of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob being alive to God because altough they had physically died, they died in faith, and because the sacrifice of Jesus was to be the proptiation for their sins, they are part of the body of Christ which will rise from the dead when Jesus comes for the church.

    Quote
    Gal 3:16   Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.  

    Quote
    Hbr 11:13 ¶ These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of [them], and embraced [them], and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.  

    Quote
    Jhn 8:56   Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it], and was glad.  

    Jhn 8:57   Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?  

    Jhn 8:58   Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    Then you don't believe in the transfiguration?

    Trust me you are wrong on this but please proceed if you wish because God willing I will make it clear to you.


    Hi BD:

    Should I trust you rather than God? I know that you are sincere in what you are trying to do, but trust me, you have been deceived.

    Without the resurrection of Jesus from the dead, there is no resurrection, but because he did rise again, there will be a resurrection both of the just and the unjust.

    In the days of Noah, the ark of safety was the ark that God commanded Noah to build. The ark of safety here is the body of Christ. God will judge all in one of two bodies. The body of Christ or the body of the Anti-Christ.

    Which will it be for you? Have you heard of the Mark of the beast?

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #158660
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (942767 @ July 31 2009,16:25)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ July 31 2009,15:13)

    Quote (942767 @ July 31 2009,15:01)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ July 31 2009,14:36)

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    Quote (bodhitharta @ July 31 2009,13:58)
    I haven't seen one Christian yet say I wish I could take the place of Jesus because he was innocent and I am guilty for my own sins.

    I keep explaining that God saved Jesus and every Christian says that's impossible because that would mean I am not saved but how is that true? If God saved Jesus do you think God cannot save you?

    God never wanted Israel to have a King but they relented so he gave them a King. God never wanted Human sacrifice in fact he said he HATES it and called it an ABOMINATION in-fact he said he never even ordered the children of Israel to sacrifice even animals because he owns everything anyway but you people want a Human Sacrifice so Bad so he let you believe what you wanted but for a surety God Saved Jesus whether you care about Jesus or not.

    I love Jesus and I'm glad he was saved from the vicious plot.


    Hi BD:

    Man has the power to kill the body but cannot kill the soul.

    God did save Jesus.  He raised him from the dead to eternal life never to die no more, and because he lives, I live also, and man may also kill my body, but they cannot ill my soul.

    Don't you know that men die every day. Some this way and some that way, but nevertheless, death is a reality.

    If Jesus did not rise from the dead, there is no resurrection from the dead because the wages of sin is death which is not only the detioration of the body, but spiritual separation from God, and since all have sinned.  All of humanity would die spiritually separated from God with no hope of a resurrection.

    May God open your eyes to see what God has done by allowing what men have done to my Lord Jesus.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    You speak falsely concerning the resurrection because Jesus said regarding the resurrection:

    Matthew 22

    31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,

    32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

    Obviously God was not seperate from those mentioned above by Jesus even before Jesus was taken up to God so you are incorrect.


    Hi BD:

    No, I believe that you are the one who is misunderstanding.

    Jesus stated:

    Quote
    Jhn 11:21   Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.  

    Jhn 11:22   But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give [it] thee.  

    Jhn 11:23   Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.  

    Jhn 11:24   Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.  

    Jhn 11:25   Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:  

    Jhn 11:26   And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?  

    Quote
    Jhn 14:6   Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.  

    Jesus spoke of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob being alive to God because altough they had physically died, they died in faith, and because the sacrifice of Jesus was to be the proptiation for their sins, they are part of the body of Christ which will rise from the dead when Jesus comes for the church.

    Quote
    Gal 3:16   Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.  

    Quote
    Hbr 11:13 ¶ These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of [them], and embraced [them], and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.  

    Quote
    Jhn 8:56   Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it], and was glad.  

    Jhn 8:57   Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?  

    Jhn 8:58   Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    Then you don't believe in the transfiguration?

    Trust me you are wrong on this but please proceed if you wish because God willing I will make it clear to you.


    Hi BD:

    Should I trust you rather than God?  I know that you are sincere in what you are trying to do, but trust me, you have been deceived.  

    Without the resurrection of Jesus from the dead, there is no resurrection, but because he did rise again, there will be a resurrection both of the just and the unjust.

    In the days of Noah, the ark of safety was the ark that God commanded Noah to build.  The ark of safety here is the body of Christ.  God will judge all in one of two bodies.  The body of Christ or the body of the Anti-Christ.

    Which will it be for you?  Have you heard of the Mark of the beast?

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    Do you know what the mark of the beast is?

    You say that Jesus was resurrected but when you talk about Lazarus you say he was raised from the dead both Lazarus and Jesus ate after returning to life. How was Jesus different than Jesus in body you say they were both dead and both were raised back to life.

    #158661
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Revelation 14:8-10 (King James Version)

    9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

    You must remember it is unlawful in Islam to worship any image of anything above or below of man, beast or bird so Muslims will probably be put to death or die if forced to worship anything other than God Almighty. That is why I keep telling you who worship Jesus, The cross, The Church and so many many things.

    #158662
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,
    Men make harsh rules.
    Men love obeying harsh rulers who make them think they represent God.

    Load of cobblers really and a waste of time because the whole shebang is of man and saves nobody at all.

    #158663
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 31 2009,16:44)
    Hi BD,
    Men make harsh rules.
    Men love obeying harsh rulers who make them think they represent God.

    Load of cobblers really and a waste of time because the whole shebang is of man and saves nobody at all.


    Then why be so harsh nick?

    #158664
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,
    Is there any other way of treating what weakly pretends to be truth?

    #158665
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 31 2009,18:11)
    Hi BD,
    Is there any other way of treating what weakly pretends to be truth?


    The truth is Jesus had the power to forgive sins before the cross therefor there was no need for the cross but you hammer away anyhow.

    Marty said there is no forgiveness without the shedding of blood so what is easier to say “You are forgiven” or to die on the cross?

    #158666
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,
    The same authority he gave his brothers in Jn19?
    Why question the ways of God?

    #158667
    942767
    Participant

    Quote (bodhitharta @ July 31 2009,16:37)

    Quote (942767 @ July 31 2009,16:25)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ July 31 2009,15:13)

    Quote (942767 @ July 31 2009,15:01)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ July 31 2009,14:36)

    Quote (942767 @ July 31 2009,14:29)

    Quote (bodhitharta @ July 31 2009,13:58)
    I haven't seen one Christian yet say I wish I could take the place of Jesus because he was innocent and I am guilty for my own sins.

    I keep explaining that God saved Jesus and every Christian says that's impossible because that would mean I am not saved but how is that true? If God saved Jesus do you think God cannot save you?

    God never wanted Israel to have a King but they relented so he gave them a King. God never wanted Human sacrifice in fact he said he HATES it and called it an ABOMINATION in-fact he said he never even ordered the children of Israel to sacrifice even animals because he owns everything anyway but you people want a Human Sacrifice so Bad so he let you believe what you wanted but for a surety God Saved Jesus whether you care about Jesus or not.

    I love Jesus and I'm glad he was saved from the vicious plot.


    Hi BD:

    Man has the power to kill the body but cannot kill the soul.

    God did save Jesus.  He raised him from the dead to eternal life never to die no more, and because he lives, I live also, and man may also kill my body, but they cannot ill my soul.

    Don't you know that men die every day. Some this way and some that way, but nevertheless, death is a reality.

    If Jesus did not rise from the dead, there is no resurrection from the dead because the wages of sin is death which is not only the detioration of the body, but spiritual separation from God, and since all have sinned.  All of humanity would die spiritually separated from God with no hope of a resurrection.

    May God open your eyes to see what God has done by allowing what men have done to my Lord Jesus.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    You speak falsely concerning the resurrection because Jesus said regarding the resurrection:

    Matthew 22

    31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,

    32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

    Obviously God was not seperate from those mentioned above by Jesus even before Jesus was taken up to God so you are incorrect.


    Hi BD:

    No, I believe that you are the one who is misunderstanding.

    Jesus stated:

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    Jhn 11:21   Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.  

    Jhn 11:22   But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give [it] thee.  

    Jhn 11:23   Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.  

    Jhn 11:24   Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.  

    Jhn 11:25   Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:  

    Jhn 11:26   And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?  

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    Jhn 14:6   Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.  

    Jesus spoke of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob being alive to God because altough they had physically died, they died in faith, and because the sacrifice of Jesus was to be the proptiation for their sins, they are part of the body of Christ which will rise from the dead when Jesus comes for the church.

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    Gal 3:16   Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.  

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    Hbr 11:13 ¶ These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of [them], and embraced [them], and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.  

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    Jhn 8:56   Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw [it], and was glad.  

    Jhn 8:57   Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?  

    Jhn 8:58   Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    Then you don't believe in the transfiguration?

    Trust me you are wrong on this but please proceed if you wish because God willing I will make it clear to you.


    Hi BD:

    Should I trust you rather than God?  I know that you are sincere in what you are trying to do, but trust me, you have been deceived.  

    Without the resurrection of Jesus from the dead, there is no resurrection, but because he did rise again, there will be a resurrection both of the just and the unjust.

    In the days of Noah, the ark of safety was the ark that God commanded Noah to build.  The ark of safety here is the body of Christ.  God will judge all in one of two bodies.  The body of Christ or the body of the Anti-Christ.

    Which will it be for you?  Have you heard of the Mark of the beast?

    Love in Christ,
    Marty


    Do you know what the mark of the beast is?

    You say that Jesus was resurrected but when you talk about Lazarus you say he was raised from the dead both Lazarus and Jesus ate after returning to life. H
    ow was Jesus different than Jesus in body you say they were both dead and both were raised back to life.


    Hi BD:

    Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead with a mortal body to illustrate that in him all who have believed will be raised from the dead and those who believe in him who have not died physically will never die (their soul will never die).

    Jesus was raised with an immortal body and ascended into heaven to his posiition as head of the church at the right hand of the Father.

    Yes, it interesting that Jesus did eat fish after his resurrection and before he ascended into heaven. He had no blood at this point, and so, relative to the digestive process, I will just have to acknowledge that “I don't know”.

    Mark of the beast:

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    Rev 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

    Rev 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who [is] like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

    Rev 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty [and] two months.

    Rev 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

    Rev 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

    Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

    Rev 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

    Love in Christ,
    Marty

    #158668
    bodhitharta
    Participant

    Quote (Nick Hassan @ July 31 2009,19:26)
    Hi BD,
    The same authority he gave his brothers in Jn19?
    Why question the ways of God?


    Exactly! He forgave sins before the cross, he set people free from their bondage before the cross.

    #158669
    NickHassan
    Participant

    Hi BD,
    So where did Jesus forgive all men before he died?
    Why try to revise the wisdom of God?

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