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[NickHassan]

Hi CO,
Rom 1
” 1Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ, called to be an apostle, separated unto the gospel of God,

2(Which he had promised afore by his prophets in the holy scriptures,)

3Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;

4And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead:

5By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

6Among whom are ye also the called of Jesus Christ:

7To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. “

[chosenone]

Hi Nick.
What more can I say, even the scriptures you quote all say that God is in complete control. All is by Him, thru Him,
and for Him. It completely shows that “God is operating all according to the councel of His will. What we can learn by scripture is that if God is completely in control, than who can thwart His will, if “He wills all mankind to be saved”, Why do you feel He cannot accomlish it? Cannot God change your heart? He can heal the sick, do anything He wants to do. Why is it so difficult to believe He will save all, the scripture says He desires to do this. Is mankind so powerfull that we can resist even God?

Blessings.

[NickHassan]

Hi CO,
It is not what is possible that is the issue.
It is what is declared in God's revelation.
He does not say all are saved.
He gives us the choice.

[chosenone]

Quote (Nick Hassan @ April 12 2007,20:19)

Hi CO, It is not what is possible that is the issue. It is what is declared in God's revelation. He does not say all are saved. He gives us the choice.

Hi Nick.
God does what He has predestined what He will do regardless of what Mankind chooses.

Eph.1:4-5 …in love deignating us beforehand for the place of a son for Him through Christ Jesus; in accord with the delight of His will, …

Blessings.

[NickHassan]

Hi CO,
Have you read who Ephesians was written to?
Not the atheistic idolatous world.

[chosenone]

Hi Nick.
All of Pauls epistles are for “the nations”, us gentiles, the uncicumcision. (Ro.15:16). Who do you think Pauls writings are for?

[NickHassan]

Hi CO,
These are written to the saints, the churches and you need to be among them to be addressed.
Rom 1
7To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Cor 1
1Paul called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,

2Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:
2Cor 1
1Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, unto the church of God which is at Corinth, with all the saints which are in all Achaia:
Gal1
2And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:
Eph 1
1Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:
Phil 1
1Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ, to all the saints in Christ Jesus which are at Philippi, with the bishops and deacons:
Col1
2To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Thess1
1Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
2Thess1
1Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus, unto the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
1Tim1
2Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
2Tim1
2To Timothy, my dearly beloved son: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
Tit
4To Titus, mine own son after the common faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour
Phile
1Paul, a prisoner of Jesus Christ, and Timothy our brother, unto Philemon our dearly beloved, and fellowlabourer,

2And to our beloved Apphia, and Archippus our fellowsoldier, and to the church in thy house:

[chosenone]

Hi Nick.
And who are the saints? Only God knows who was, is, and will be saints. How is an unbeliever to believe if he doesn't read the scripture to learn of God? Pauls epistles are addressed to the saints, but meant for all.

Blessings.

[NickHassan]

Hi CO,
It is good for all to read scripture that they may believe. But belief does not save the demons [James]or men. You must repent and be reborn from above to enter the kingdom. God knows those who are His and their names are written in the book of life. They are sons of God and have the Spirit of Christ.

God's mercy is amazing and many will be saved by that mercy outside of the way of Christ. God is love but that love is expressed to those who love His Son as He does. Yes many will be found to their surprise that they are sheep despite only giving a cup of water to the brothers of Jesus but there will still be goats.

We do not presume on the love and mercy of God but strive to enter the narrow way, to enter the rest of God, as that is the way of Jesus and those entering through the gate will be priests and kings to our God in the 1000 yr reign with Christ. Hope seeks peace.

[chosenone]

Hi Nick.
You keep quoteing 'Old Covenant' scripture, remember, Jesus' message was to the Jews, “The lost sheep of the house of Israel”. What can striving to enter the 'narrow way” do for us? The scripture clearly states that “works” will not save us, we are saved by grace through the death and resurrection of our Lord and Saviour Christ Jesus. You err when you say we, the saints, will reign with Christ for the millenium. It will be the “Jews” who will reign with Christ for this period, they are the ones who will be a nation of priests and Kings.
See Ro.11:26…And thus all Israel shall be saved, according as it is written,…
Ro.9:11… that the purpose of God may be remaining as a choice,not out of acts, but of HIM WHO IS CALLING.
Ro.9:16… Consequently, then, it is not of him who is willing, nor of him who is racing, but of GOD, THE MERCIFUL.
Remember the scripture : “All is of God, all is by Him, through Him, and for Him”. All means ALL, everything else is error.

Blessings.

[charity]

Hello

And the carrying away of Babylon from King David the throne unto Christ Key?

Mat 1:17  So all the generations from Abraham to David [are] fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon [are] fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ [are] fourteen generations.

When And how would you Fit the carrying away of Israel and the kingdom AND REBIULDING OF THE TEMPLE to holiness BY Nehemiah Ezra; entering the people into a curse to carry away from the carrying away to the set up of mystery babylon riding against the true kingdom; that we must come out of for all nations have drunk from the cup even

Removing the man of Lawlessness Son of perdition
2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth [will let], until he be taken out of the way.

Selah

[NickHassan]

Hi CO,
You would have to define it as error to bolster your case.
But all does not always mean everyone.
All that God judges are of Israel will be saved, but not all of Israel are of Israel.
Romans 9:6
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

The Jews will judge the Jews
Mt 19
Matthew 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

[chosenone]

Hi Nick.
Ishmael was Abrahams son as well as Isaac, but he was born of flesh, not of the promise. This shows that mere physical decent is not enough to give a title to the blesssing of Abraham. (Gen.17:18 & 21:12)

Now regarding your statement that :”All doesn't always mean everyone”. Possibley, but all always means all. Example: For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified. In both cases were “all” is used, it is the same greek word, so how, in this scripture can the first “all” mean all, but the second “all” mean only some?

Again, your final scripture, Ma.19:28, is about the Israel, not about us.

Blessings.

[Worshipping Jesus]

Quote (chosenone @ April 16 2007,11:22)

Hi Nick.     Ishmael was Abrahams son as well as Isaac, but he was born of flesh, not of the promise.  This shows that mere physical decent is not enough to give a title to the blesssing of Abraham. (Gen.17:18 & 21:12)     Now regarding your statement that :”All doesn't always mean everyone”.  Possibley, but all always means all.  Example:  For even as, in Adam, all are dying, thus also, in Christ, shall all be vivified.  In both cases were “all” is used, it is the same greek word, so how, in this scripture can the first “all” mean all, but the second “all” mean only some?       Again, your final scripture, Ma.19:28, is about the Israel, not about us.       Blessings.

CO

Good points!

[NickHassan]

Hi CO,
Romans 1:7
To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Does this speak of ALL the people in Rome?
Romans 1:8
First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.

Does this speak of ALL in Rome?

Romans 3:22
Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Does this speak of ALL men?

[chosenone]

Hi Nick.
You must take all words in the context of the sentence or paragraph in which it is written. If the sentence says, “To all that be in Rome called to be saints”, then it refers to all the saints in Rome, Very clear.
Also same as “unto all that believe”, it refers to all believers, also very clear. This has always been accepted sentence structure of the English language.
Thus when it says, “For evan as in Adam, all are dying” it means all, in this context of the sentence. Very basic English grammer, but very necessary for understanding.

Blessings.

[NickHassan]

Hi CO,
Are all men believers?

[chosenone]

Hi Nick.
All are not believers yet. But at the consummation all will believe, and God will be “All in all”. (1Cor.15:28)

[NickHassan]

Hi CO,
Is belief sufficient for God to be all in all? No need for rebirth from above? God will also be in the demons?

[chosenone]

Hi Nick.
Even Satan will be saved.

Blessings.

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